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December 19, 2012

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Min

I know the left doesn't get much of a platform

Snort!

newbie

And space robots and monster trucks.

LOL

Tim Worstall

I like sexual deviance with fat birds too.

But does that mean I'm actually going to have to read Laurie's book?

David

But does that mean I’m actually going to have to read Laurie’s book?

Therein madness lies.

carbon based lifeform

It's a laugh or cry thing, isn't it?

David

It’s a laugh or cry thing, isn’t it?

Laugh when they don’t have power over you.

Rob

While there remains a single person, somewhere, who doesn't agree with them, jones and the rest of the Far Left will continue to believe the fiction that they are marginalised.

Whereas their control of the media is colossal in comparison to their derisory presence in the population.

bilbaoboy

Things belong to people. The State doesn't exist or have rights. The institutions which we approve of and allow to operate have obligations (which we, the people define). We hand over some of our wealth for them to do our bidding.

We came first. Our ability to create value for our fellows is innate and we do it through enlightened self-interest. The Stete is the compendium of institutions we have approved of. Now many of us are thinking of withdrawing approval from some of those institutions.

The State does not rule me (or shouldn't)

Do not forget this Mr. Murphy.

rjmadden

The End of Patriarchy is the BEGINNING of men's opportunity to stop being half-people and to become complete human beings

And where do I buy this Kool-Aid?

Jesus, they really are into themselves, aren't they?

David

Jesus, they really are into themselves, aren’t they?

For some, it’s almost a religion of self-flattery.

Pablito

Does this Murphy character actually believe what he's writing? Or is just trolling Twitter?

Please tell me its the second of those

David

Please tell me it’s the second of those.

Oh, he’s a believer. For Mr Murphy, the state is all. You are but a tick upon its fur. See Tim’s place for more.

peter horne

"For some, it’s almost a religion of self-flattery", for all of them, I'm afraid. It is Thomas Sowell's Vision of the Annointed, whose principle characteristic is self congratulation.

Patrick Brown

Self flattery, from a man who believes that men are only half-human? It's certainly self-flattery on Laurie Penny's part, but for Hugo Schwyzer it's surely more that other unpalatable characteristic of the left, self-hatred and worship of the other? There is perhaps a certain degree of self-congratulation that he's the only sub-human who understands he's sub-human, but he still thinks he's sub-human.

Darleen

You wicked people ... I now had to go read Hugo's twitter timeline and came across the concept of a "knitted vagina purse"

and then I googled....

Good lord.

Anna

Behold the corrected, post-Patriarchy male.

Not big on rugged individualism then?

David

Not big on rugged individualism then?

Mr Badass doesn’t strike me as the rugged, reliable frontier type. He’s more the fretting-about-whether-his-straightness-is-oppressing-people-on-Twitter type. Which is a new and thrilling type of maleness, one previously unknown to me. He was, briefly, one of the people involved in Laurie Penny’s latest drama.

the wolf

I assume Laurie hates capitalism too. Is she going to give her book away? Sell it at cost?

David

Patrick,

Self-flattery, from a man who believes that men are only half-human?

The point is that he, unlike us, has seen through The All-Pervasive Patriarchal Matrix™. He’s therefore more enlightened than us. Superior, as it were. In fact, he’s exactly the kind of superior and enlightened person that should be in charge, correcting the rest of us, leading us to the light. It’s a form of leftwing social positioning, a display of status and moral elevation, which professed egalitarians seem to like a great deal and to which they devote considerable time and effort. It goes something like this: “I am better than you because I pretend to feel worse.”

Bunny

Couldn't they try self flagellation instead, actually agonies instead of imagined ones.

Penny Dreadful

Oh, Penny... I bet there is at least one sexual deviance you don't like. Go on, admit it. Then I can cancel my order for baked beans with sausages and tell the local hamsters to stand down.

Tom Foster

I think Laurie's having some sort of meltdown as she tries to justify her kneejerk 'close-the-conversation-down accusations of racism:

"Why is it that thinkers on left and right seem happy to be called 'sexist' – but when 'racism' is mentioned they explode + threaten to sue?"

I mean, where to start with that one? 'Thinkers'? Are people really 'happy' to be called 'sexist'? Is she really saying (despite being comically thin-skinned herself) that she should be allowed to spray around the 'racist!' accusation without upsetting anyone? That being called a racist is really no big deal?

present & correct

Don't forget, Laurie P is really a price-discovering free-market capitalist when employer reality pays her a visit...

http://order-order.com/2011/01/18/sexist-penny-exploits-unemployed-offering-below-minimum-wage/

The poster-girl of lefty hypocrisy.

Mike James

I'm beginning to believe that the driving force behind the "Let It Burn" idea is that Leftist silliness would sort of tend to dry up and blow away in a climate of scarcity. People would tend to not give these foolish, annoying notions any traction when they have real problems to face, in other words. When the money's run out, which it has, do we continue to use tax money to pay for some nitwit's sociology degree? Do we prosecute hate speech, or violent offenders? Do we continue paying for anything on the Left's wishlist as the Iron Years descend upon us?

Let it burn.

present & correct

@Mike James..
totally agreed.
Leftism is a kind of parasitic texture, growing on the underlying, wealth-creating free-market substrate.
In lean times, the parasite dies.

JuliaM

"I like sexual deviance with fat birds too.

But does that mean I'm actually going to have to read Laurie's book?"

You could wait for the pop-up version?

JuliaM

"Saving the world with a high-tech leftwing rebel elite."

Only high-tech? Didn't the Ewoks come in darned useful?

David

Tom,

Is she really saying (despite being comically thin-skinned herself) that she should be allowed to spray around the ‘racist!’ accusation without upsetting anyone?

You’re looking for consistency in the pretensions of a dogmatic fabulist. This is someone who rails against “the bruised superstructure of patriarchal capitalist control” and who equates a £20,000 cap on housing benefit with the industrial extermination of Jewish people during World War II. It helps to bear in mind that Laurie’s so-called principles are often non-reciprocal. She and her fellow self-declared radicals are entitled to smash your stuff and do violence to you, to harass and occupy in the name of “revolution” and “social justice,” but call her juvenile and there’s howling indignation and claims of “being attacked.”

WTP

David,
Can I get you some thumbs-up buttons for Christmas, or is that too pedestrian for your tastes?

Anyway, double-triple like on Mike's/Ace's Let It Burn. Conservatives end up caving in to the Leftists anyway. Why give them a scapegoat for their policy failures via the excuse that it's all the Republican's fault because they didn't let us go far enough. It wouldn't take long before people who are living as comfortably as modern society has become accustomed, even the Lefties, before they'd be crying for the heads of the SOBs who took their Playstations away.

sue blue

My book's going to be about feminism and activism and gender anarchy and socialism and sexual deviance and space robots and monster trucks.

You've made my afternoon. ;D

AC1

That Richard Murphy describes himself as an economist is the most scary thing. He's as much use as a flat-earther designing a satellite.

David

sue blue,

My book’s going to be about feminism and activism and gender anarchy and socialism and sexual deviance and space robots and monster trucks.

No, don’t laugh. She’s the ‘riot girl’ from Wadham College – the one “screaming defiance” in between moodswings and trips to the hair salon. And mark her words, she and the “new” left are going to “bring the whole thing crashing down.”


WTP,

Can I get you some thumbs-up buttons for Christmas, or is that too pedestrian for your tastes?

That’s a TypePad thing, not just me being snooty.

dicentra

People would tend to not give these foolish, annoying notions any traction when they have real problems to face, in other words.

Except for two things:

Progressivism in the U.S. took a Giant Leap Forward during the Great Depression. People felt helpless, and FDR (the merciful, the benevolent, pbuh) saved them by implementing (or providing precedent for) all of the onerous gubmint programs that now have us $16 trillion in debt and as unprepared for reality as any zoo animal.

The idiotic ideas that fuel left-wing vanity might disappear, but their craving for domination never sleeps. Cloward-Piven posits that they should MAKE it burn so that the second wave, waiting in the wings, will save the populace from the ensuing chaos by imposing order.

"Saving" that the populace, having already been rendered unable to fend for itself, will cry out for.

That's how the Taliban took Afghanistan and Napoleon France: The strong men restored order following the chaos that followed the revolution/collapse.

Reed

More on 'Professor' Schwyzer...

Professor blames mass shootings on ‘white male privilege’
Only in academia can one make a theory, disprove it in the next paragraph and still collect a paycheck from hard-working taxpayers.

http://eagnews.org/professor-blames-mass-shootings-on-white-male-privilege/

Hat-tip...

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/professor-blames-mass-shootings-on.html

Bart

"Where did this absurd myth that the gov'ts money is "ours" come from?"

Because the government is supposed to be composed of "our" elected public servants? Because they're supposed to be running the nation's affairs for the benefit of, and in accordance with the wishes of "their" masters who voted them into office? Perhaps?


"since straight cis male sexuality already takes up so much space (forcibly so even) I don't feel comfortable expressing my own"


Ironically, you only start producing such humiliating outpourings of neurotic whimpering after you've stopped "being half people" and "become complete human beings". Equally ironic, it comes from someone with "Badass" in their Twitter monicker.

model_1066

Most of these idiots use terms I seriously doubt they even begin to understand. Laurie Penny suspicious of vanguardism? Bitch, please...get a life and an education. And I'm ever so surprised that her book is going to be about activism! and feminism! and blah! blah! blah! I almost feel shame by mocking them...it's just too easy.

Charlie Suet

Oh god. I think I can laugh at all of those quite happily except for the Murphy one. What a turd.

Spiny Norman

Shorter Murphy:

You are all serfs and how DARE any of you think you deserve more than what we say you should have.

Rob Crawford

Notice the last guy is claiming to have Aspergers -- the trendiest neurological problem evah! Easier to make that claim than admit to yourself you're just a nasty individual.

marcmarc

"I know the left doesn't get much of a platform" is Owen on drugs? sorry scratch that.

Bart

"Oh god. I think I can laugh at all of those quite happily except for the Murphy one. What a turd."

He's a colossal turd, agreed, but within his morally obnoxious twitterings, comedy is to be found.

His utter ignorance of the supposed role of government and its relationship with the electorate is worth a chuckle in and of itself. He's an “anti-poverty campaigner and tax expert”, according to the Guardian. A tax expert who doesn't know why people think their tax money belongs to them.

He also appears to have not fathomed that we currently have a mostly Tory government. What Mr anti lefty anti poverty campaigner has just unwittingly declared is that you effectively owe the Tories large amounts of your money to spend as they please.

Even the most unpleasant of leftist idiots has some comedy potential in them somewhere.

Mike

She’s the ‘riot girl’ from Wadham College – the one “screaming defiance” in between moodswings and trips to the hair salon. And mark her words, she and the “new” left are going to “bring the whole thing crashing down.”

Thanks for a year's worth of laughs, David. I've put a little something in your tip jar.

David

Mike,

I’ve put a little something in your tip jar.

Much appreciated. May your sandals remain fragrant on the hottest of days.

Turkey Lurkey

Richard Murphy, Nadia Kamil, Owen Jones, Laura Barnett (Laurie Penny's real name, if what I've read is accurate). It's like a Who's Who of twattery.

Dani

The End of Patriarchy is the BEGINNING of men's opportunity to stop being half-people and to become complete human beings

It sounds like a new age religion.

David

Dani,

It sounds like a new age religion.

Before shaping young minds as a Professor of Gender Studies at Pasadena City College, Mr Schwyzer apparently had a history of sexual relationships with students that he now regards as “unethical”. He also attempted a murder/suicide with an unwitting ex-girlfriend while high as a kite. He then appears to have found redemption in dogmatic feminism. So. Not too wide of the mark, perhaps. Maybe he tells himself “the Patriarchy made me do it.”

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

WTF asked:

Can I get you some thumbs-up buttons for Christmas, or is that too pedestrian for your tastes?

Wouldn't a different finger be more appropriate for Laurie Penny's tweets?

Simen Thoresen

Not having heard of Schwyzer before, I found it amusing to see that he's a violent misogenist wannabe-killer (reformed);
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/man_in_control/

Good times.

-S

Simen Thoresen

Sigh... I guess that's what I get for not refreshing the page often enough. Cheers :)

-S

WTP

Hey, Ted...That's WTP. It’s snootier.

David, Then you’ll have to spend it on hookers and beer. Or maybe just beer. Your choice. Donation coming shortly once I get out of this hell hole to a more secure location.

David

WTP,

Then you’ll have to spend it on hookers and beer. Or maybe just beer.

Wine, I think, and thanks. Can’t have a Christmas party without lubricant.

Rob

Simen - reformed...for now..perhaps the self-loathing and liberal insanity will get too much and he'll crack.

As for Murphy, he is not an economist but an ex-accountant. Quite a difference.

His ignorance of economics is so profound even I notice it.

Dom

Laugh when they don’t have power over you.

Some things need repeating.

Makara

If Owen Jones wasn't brandishing a huge, wry smile on his face as he typed: "I know the Left doesn't get much of a platform", then I genuinely fear for his sanity.

Squires

',If Owen Jones wasn't brandishing a huge, wry smile on his face as he typed: "I know the Left doesn't get much of a platform", then I genuinely fear for his sanity.'

Ah, but you see, the Left may control the overwhelming majority of the mainstream media throughout the Western world,, Makara, but it's clear, to their yes, that with the way things are going they are not being heard, and they need to be heard, absolutely, for the greater good of mankind.

And as David has pointed out, by heard, they mean obeyed.

How it is that they have explained to us correct belief seemingly 24/7, for so many years, and yet we still continue in our refusal to hear them... well, it's positively baffling.

WTP

Done

John West

Unless and until we get as ruthless as the left in our bid to remain free, we will lose. It's time to take off the gloves. No more nice Romney or McCain types we need a Pinochet.

Nate Whilk

Twit Richard Murphy ‏tweeted, 'Where did this absurd myth that the gov'ts money is "ours" come from? Taxes belong to the gov'ts and no else.'

Dear money-handling socialist tyrant enabler, in the USA our WRITTEN constitution begins with "We, the people". Money doesn't magically appear as the government demands it. It's OURS from beginning to end. WE earn it, WE elect representatives based in part on how they say they'll spend OUR money.

Sandra K

@John West,

Pinochet? Really? O-kaaay…


@David,

She’s the ‘riot girl’ from Wadham College – the one “screaming defiance” in between moodswings and trips to the hair salon. And mark her words, she and the “new” left are going to “bring the whole thing crashing down.”

I have a question. Were these people already this childish and emotionally messed up before they went to university or did they become this childish and emotionally messed up after being 'educated'?

David

Sandra K,

I have a question. Were these people already this childish and emotionally messed up before they went to university or did they become this childish and emotionally messed up after being ‘educated’?

It’s hard to say, but Marxoid fantasy does seem concentrated in and around the less reputable parts of academia. It can persist there untested, unmolested by reality. And so, in the video linked above, Sarah Knopp can peddle the “enlightenment” of communism to the young people in her care and insist that when they believe as she does – and only as she does – then they’ll be “critical thinkers.” Then they’ll be “emancipated.” Just like her. And I wonder, for instance, how Nina Power would fare outside of her immediate academic circle.

Marxoid thinking does appeal to a certain adolescent streak and I’d imagine some students are more susceptible to this claptrap than others. It’s a strange combination of ersatz rebellion, nasty power fantasies and desperate conformity, which is why we’ve seen and heard it all so many times before; always with the same pathological unrealism, the same barely concealed spite, the same trajectory. And so we get Ms Penny, the Marxoid “anarchist” who wants higher taxes and a bigger, more overbearing state. An egalitarian class warrior who professes destitution but can somehow travel the world to feel other people’s pain. One commenter described Ms Penny as “a montage of clichés,” which has a certain ring to it.

Simen Thoresen

No more nice Romney or McCain types we need a Pinochet.

John,

Nah, with a real non-socialist majority-government, we'd be free to dismantle the wealth-transfer systems that feed these guys.

Having to create their own wealth, our betters would no-longer have the time nor the reasons to go on as they do, and would probably discard most of their beliefs when they see how erroneous they are in a real world.

Of course, this would require a real non-socialist majority-government. I don't think I can remember having seen one of those being proposed recently....

Yours,
-S

Col. Milquetoast

we need a Pinochet.

no. Don't forget we're trying to avoid totalitarianism.

The End of Patriarchy is the BEGINNING of men's opportunity to stop being half-people and to become complete human beings.

Imagine the howls of outrage about demonization, vile stereotyping, dehumanization, etc if someone else (like, say, Ann Coulter) had said a variation of that.

Tom Foster

Makara,

'If Owen Jones wasn't brandishing a huge, wry smile on his face as he typed: "I know the Left doesn't get much of a platform", then I genuinely fear for his sanity.'

But the thing is, you're not taking account of competitive extreme-leftism. In Owen and Laurie world, the terms 'left' and 'right' are defined differently. It's a case of the more left the better, so anyone to the 'right' of *you* is just not serious or radical enough. They really do think the BBC, for example, is a right-wing organisation. They consider anyone just a tiny bit right of centre as 'fascists' and someone like Ed Miliband as 'right wing'.

Looked at from their point of view, the 'left' – ie, raving extremist nutcases with a pathological hatred of the Western world – really *doesn't* get much air time.

Dom

For Mr Murphy, the state is all. You are but a tick upon its fur.

And he can't believe anyone would disagree with him.

http://timworstall.com/2012/12/21/ritchie-on-politics-and-democracy/

Makara

Penny may be many things, naturally most of them bad, but she's shrewd enough to know what the likes of Polly Toynbee and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown have known for years:

The day they stop spouting controversial, and arguably manufactured, hard-Left opinions is the day they become unemployed.

Still, on a slightly more positive note Citizen Penny remains one of the very few privileged left wingers to actually have the balls to affect a wholly unconvincing and slightly offensive mockney accent... in order to sound as hopelessly 'oppressed' as the rest of us presumably.

An 'A' for effort for Penny's comedy accent then... but sadly an 'F' for actual attainment.

James James

My friends are fretting on Facebook about buying "gendered" toys for their nieces and nephews. Getting them what they want is so passé.

Joseph Shmeau

"While there remains a single person, somewhere, who doesn't agree with them, jones and the rest of the Far Left will continue to believe the fiction that they are marginalised."

True enough, Rob, but even after that nature would still be oppressing them.

Rich Rostrom

David: It’s hard to say, but Marxoid fantasy does seem concentrated in and around the less reputable parts of academia.

"less reputable"? Some of the more egregious Marxoids are stuck at redbrick institutions (or the U.S. equivalent, such as Pasadena City College).

But they abound in the heights of prestige academia: for examples, Columbia, U of California-Berkeley, Duke, and Oxbridge. Penny Dreadful went to Wadham, not East Anglia. Barack Obama's old friends Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, retired from setting bombs, now teach at U of Illinois-Chicago and Northwestern, both upper-tier schools. Eric Hobsbawm went to Cambridge and taught at Birkbeck, where the absurd Slavoj Žižek still flourishes.

The Marxoids of high academia train the Schwyzers of low academia (Cal-Berkeley, in his case). As always, those who hold the high ground dominate the battlefield.

David

Rich,

“less reputable”?

Well, I didn’t want to besmirch the physics and engineering departments, for instance, which are generally untouched by this kind of hokum.

But they abound in the heights of prestige academia

Indeed. As I’ve said before,

As [David] Horowitz illustrates repeatedly, the issue isn’t just one of political grooming, question-begging and classroom impropriety; it’s also about incompetence and failure to meet basic standards of professional conduct. When global economics, geopolitics and military history are being taught, badly, by people whose only qualification is in comparative literature, then it seems to me there’s a problem. One might call it fraud… This isn’t just a matter of a few dozen aberrations at fringe institutions. There are hundreds of similar courses at mainstream, supposedly reputable universities. The problem is systemic. These educators don’t exist in a vacuum. You don’t get a Ward Churchill (a department chairman) or a Bill Ayers (Distinguished Professor) or a Wahneema Lubiano (tenured) or a Cornel West (Princeton, Harvard) or a Dana Cloud or a Duke Group of 88 without endorsement and approval by peers and hiring committees.

The educators we’ve laughed at over the years aren’t just random anomalies; they’re expressions of a culture, a fiefdom. See also this.

Left behind

To be a leftie you need to be forgetful.

To embrace socialism you must be able to forget every left-wing failure that has gone before (and in some cases as little as three years before because people are apparently 'pining' for Labour so soon after their catastrophic performance under Blair/Brown) and also forget what you yourself thought last week. There are so many contradictions in the left mindset (trees have souls and must be protected but unborn babies are lumps of flesh to be disposed of without thought; enterprise and creating jobs is a bad thing but unions -- who keep workers in the same place with no hope of progress -- are good; we supposedly stand against fascism but ally our organisations with fascist governments) and this forgetfulness of your world-view allows you to pretend you are 'progressive.'

While self-obsession and narrow-vision helps (I once had a thought that is not approved by committee so it must not happen again! No more free thinking for me!) being a socialist is really about amnesia. Admittedly some of it is free choice (as in I choose to ignore the truth about murderers like Che and Mao) and does involve not looking closely at what's going on, most of being a marxist is about forgetting.

Peter

To embrace socialism you must be able to forget every left-wing failure that has gone before

Not necessarily. You can just claim the disastrous policy was underfunded.

But you are largely right. I've tried to engage seemingly grounded leftists on why Thatcher and Reagan, both of whom would have been seen as unelectable just a few years earlier, came to power. No matter how vivedly I try to remind them of a decade of runaway inflation, crippling public service strikes, cowering foreign policies, etc., either they feign an inability to remember or deny it had any bearing. It was all wicked neo-cons, religious fundies, shock jocks and American cowboys. OK then, says I, then tell me how three generations of universal secular public education controlled by "progressive" unions and educational bureaucracies led to that cabal sweeping to power. That's generally the cue for blather about the corporate media.

David

That Richard Murphy describes himself as an economist is the most scary thing.

Further to Mr Murphy, who doesn’t seem to believe that taxes are any business of the people who have to pay them, this may be relevant. As a snapshot of a mindset, it may tell us something about the kinds of people who share Mr Murphy’s assumptions. When not fretting about whether Pac-Man is “gender essentialist,” the Guardian’s Ms Zohra Moosa tells us that,

I’m a little bit tired of spending so much of my time defending the most basic principles of what I stand for. It serves to distract. What I need is a safer space where I don’t lose so much energy justifying why social and environmental justice are worth spending a lot of society’s money on. What I want is a space where these ideas are a given and the debate is about how best to actualize them.

You see, Ms Moosa doesn’t want to be “distracted” by “defending the most basic principles of what she stands for,” or by explaining what exactly “social and environmental justice” might mean, or whether it’s worth whatever she decides it will cost other people. And what she stands for is “spending a lot of society’s money.” That’s her role, as she sees it - spending “society’s money” until the world looks the way she thinks it should be. And to do this, Ms Moosa needs a “safer space” in which her assumptions aren’t challenged by those who think differently – say, the taxpayers footing the bill.

It’s rather like when Laurie Penny told us, quite emphatically, that “social progress” depends on taxpayers being forced to subsidise leftist self-congratulation pretending to be art. And that grumbling about the extortion and misuse of other people’s money – half a million pounds of it - is anodyne and inconsequential. As so often, there’s a signature arrogance. For some reason, the phrase born to rule springs to mind.

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