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August 03, 2013

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Sam

petition to legalize 4th trimester abortion

And… they… sign… it….

Maths is so hard.

David

And… they… sign… it….

I’m not sure which type is more noteworthy. The ones who don’t understand what a fourth trimester means and sign anyway; the ones who do understand what it means and sign anyway; the one who signs a petition he doesn’t read and knows nothing about; or the teacher who, presumably thanks to her difficulty with basic arithmetic, happily signs a petition to have children killed.

For Hume the Bell Tolls

To achieve this level of devastation, you usually have to be invaded by a foreign power...

Or to import a foreign genome. Which is what's happened in this case. Like it or not -- and liberals don't like it -- genetics determines the success or otherwise of a civilization. I don't think Mark Steyn will admit this, but then he's got his career to think of. Can't go speaking too much truth to liberal power. A-course, a black individual can be much smarter than some white or Chinese individuals, but the bell curve dictates whether there are enough smart individuals to keep the ship of state afloat or send it down the plughole. See:

THE SMART FRACTION THEORY OF IQ AND THE WEALTH OF NATIONS

http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/sft.htm

Nate

Had George Zimmerman been black, he would have been, statistically at least, more likely to have shot Trayvon Martin — and statistically likewise less likely to have been tried.

Less likely to have been tried? Any studies?

David

Any studies?

Apparently. See, for instance, this by Heather Mac Donald:

The idea that the criminal-justice system discriminates against blacks — and that this bias explains blacks’ disproportionate presence in custody — is a staple of civil-rights activism and of the academic Left. Every effort to prove it empirically, however, has come up short. A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases from the country’s 75 largest urban areas discovered that blacks actually had a lower chance of prosecution following a felony than whites did and that they were less likely to be found guilty at trial. Alfred Blumstein has found that blacks are underrepresented in prison for homicide compared with their arrest rates. A meta-analysis of charging and sentencing studies showed that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms, according to criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen.

Criminal-law professors across the political spectrum agree that the Zimmerman verdict resulted from prosecutorial overkill, not juror bias… Close on the heels of the “biased justice system” conceit, however, is the preposterous implication that the primary homicide threat faced by young black males comes from honorary whites such as George Zimmerman. “Our children are targeted. Our community is targeted,” Martin Luther King III told the NAACP national convention on Wednesday. Protesters at the Orlando, Fla., courthouse this week held signs proclaiming “Endangered species: young black men and boys.” The New York Times ran an article today about the “painful talks” black parents are having with their children about how not to get gunned down by whites. A nurse’s assistant in Missouri told the Times: The whole situation ‘“would just make me sceptical about what crowd of white people I put [my son] around.’” In fact, if a black parent wants to radically reduce his son’s chance of getting shot, he should live in a white neighbourhood.

And this, on the politics of policing New York:

For the last decade and a half, anti-cop advocates and their political allies have assailed discretionary stops as racist because the vast majority of stop subjects are black and Hispanic. This argument ignores the reality that the vast majority of criminals and victims are also black and Hispanic. Given that fact, the police cannot deploy their resources to the neighbourhoods where law-abiding residents most need protection without producing racially disparate stop and arrest data. The NYPD’s stop rate for blacks is actually lower than their representation among known violent offenders. Blacks, who constitute 23 percent of the city’s population, committed 66 percent of all violent crimes in 2011, according to victims and witnesses, and 73 percent of all shootings — but they were only 53 percent of all stop subjects. By contrast, whites, who constitute 35 percent of the city’s population, committed 6 percent of all violent crimes and 3 percent of all shootings. They made up 9 percent of all stops.

Heather Mac Donald’s essays, often quoted here, are well worth a read. The search widget on the right may be of use.

RickC

"In fact, if a black parent wants to radically reduce his son’s chance of getting shot, he should live in a white neighbourhood."

Black parents, black people in the U.S. know this to be true. I believe it's one of those, "while I know x to be true, ignoring that and going with y gets me more credit in the game of victimhood". The problem is their behavior often gives the game away. One quick example from my own non-scientific observations. I've lived all over the U.S., from Alaska to Florida. It jumped out at me some years ago when living near or visiting small to mid-sized American cities that I could always tell when I'd stumbled into black dominated neighborhoods. The give away was the security bars on the windows and doors. Never lived in one of the massive urban cities like NY or LA, although I've seen news footage and movies about those areas that mirrored this observation albeit on a larger scale. It's a sure thing those bars aren't there because of a fear of whitey.

cm

Or to import a foreign genome. [...] See: THE SMART FRACTION THEORY OF IQ AND THE WEALTH OF NATIONS

Really? America's falling apart because black people are inherently stupid?

Where have I heard something like this before? Oh, yes ...

These new immigrants were no longer exclusively members of the Nordic race as were the earlier ones who came of their own impulse to improve their social conditions. The transportation lines advertised America as a land flowing with milk and honey and the European governments took the opportunity to unload upon careless, wealthy and hospitable America the sweepings of their jails and asylums. The result was that the new immigration, while it still included many strong elements from the north of Europe, contained a large and increasing number of the weak, the broken and the mentally crippled of all races drawn from the lowest stratum of the Mediterranean basin and the Balkans, together with hordes of the wretched, submerged populations of the Polish Ghettos.

Our jails, insane asylums and almshouses are filled with this human flotsam and the whole tone of American life, social, moral and political has been lowered and vulgarized by them.

Madison Grant: The Passing of a Great Race, 1916

I do hope you're Nordic.

And ...

In Massachusetts the birth-rate of foreign-born women is two and one-half times as high as the birth-rate among the native-born; in New Hampshire two times; in Rhode Island one and one-half times, the most prolific of the alien stocks being Poles, Polish and Russian Jews, South Italians, and French-Canadians. What this may mean after a few generations is indicated by a calculation made by the biologist Davenport, who stated that, at present rates of reproduction, 1,000 Harvard graduates of to-day would have only fifty descendants two centuries hence, whereas 1,000 Rumanians today in Boston, at their present rate of breeding, would have 100,000 descendants in the same space of time.

To return to the more general aspect of the problem, it is clear that both in Europe and America the quality of the population is deteriorating, the more intelligent and talented strains being relatively or absolutely on the decline. Now this can mean nothing less than a deadly menace both to civilization and the race.

Lothrop Stoddard, The Revolt Against Civilization and the Menace of the Underman, 1922.

You want to go there?

D

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of differences in the curves for different traits between races (it would seem that there are more black Americans at the top extreme of athletic talent, for example). But it's hard to believe that the differences in intelligence and capability are very large.

I've read that if one controls for fatherlessness, the achievement gap between white and black students is almost completely accounted for. So I don't really see any strong evidence that there's a genetic component driving those issues.

If anything I think the lack of civilizational confidence, as Mark Steyn has put it, has been very detrimental to cultural cohesion and accounts for a lot of the problems we have. The upper classes don't sell the values that benefit them and keep them in the upper classes to the lower classes; instead they adopt depravities from the lower classes. But they never adopt those things to the extent that the poor do, so they never suffer as much from their ill effects.

If you look at black Americans' experience immediately in the aftermath of slavery, they had similar rates of intact families as whites, and were much more successful (relative to what was possible for them) than they are now (when anything is possible for them).

dicentra

Or to import a foreign genome.

I really hope you're a troll, because the assumptions underlying that statement are as wicked as they are false.

The genome isn't the problem: it's the behavior.

When you compare apples with apples — children raised in a home with married parents — the racial differences evaporate.

When whites get dependent on the welfare check — and have kids out of wedlock, and engage in substance abuse, and drop out of school — they have identically bad outcomes with all of the other races.

Urban blacks are warehoused in vast "project housing," ostensibly built as a charity but probably to keep them from moving into the suburbs. The welfare checks obviated the need for women to marry the fathers of their children, and the moral decay that stems from that has the infelicitous result we see today.

Because the poor blacks are concentrated geographically in urban areas, they are able to form gangs, and that makes them awfully scary to the whites living in urban areas. The poor whites, on the other hand, are spread out in trailer parks and along rural routes: harder to form gangs, but they're just as wretched and dysfunctional as their darker-skinned brethren.

They're also out of sight — and therefore out of mind — of the pinheads in the MSM, who live in the urban areas and are familiar with the "bad areas of town." In terms of raw numbers, poor white welfare dependents far outnumber the black and Hispanic ones, but blacks are overrepresented in terms of percentage, (17% below the poverty line, 12% of the general population), a fact that we can put solidly at the feet of historical racism.

Race-hustlers thrive on the idea that the old racism is still the problem, not the current behavioral pathologies, so the problem will not be resolved easily nor painlessly, if at all.

I don't think Mark Steyn will admit this, but then he's got his career to think of.

If you think that Steyn has a problem with genomes, you're a pathetically bad reader and need to bone up on comprehension. Steyn makes himself crystal clear on this point: it's the culture, stupid. He never so much as implies that one's biological inheritance overrides one's cultural assumptions.

Furthermore, Steyn is conversant on an abundance of subjects, so if the demographic problems go away, he's still got stacks and stacks of things to write about.

but the bell curve dictates whether there are enough smart individuals to keep the ship of state afloat or send it down the plughole.

IQ scores show how well you do on IQ tests. They don't measure your morality one whit. "Stupid people" don't build gulags or extermination camps. They don't devise immoral systems to accrue power to themselves at the expense of everyone else. They don't build walls to split Berlin or fly planes into skyscrapers. They don't invent clever ways to misread the Constitution and other laws to arrogate more power to themselves.

The horrors of the 20th century (and throughout history) were devised by people with high IQs. The folks sitting in academia right now are bright enough, but they're also extremely dangerous, because they've imbibed from the chalice of Moral Superiority and Self-Flattery and Utter Arrogance, and they — not the gangstas in the 'hood — will be the downfall of us all.

dicentra

I would also like to point out that poverty does not cause crime.

Yeah, you're more likely to be assaulted and robbed in a poor neighborhood, but if you expand your definition of "crime" to include identity fraud and all other categories of theft, you'll find that socio-economic status determines not whether you'll commit crime but which crimes you'll commit.

Bill Gates won't break into your car and steal your stereo, but he will bundle his software with his operating system in violation of anti-trust laws, thereby sinking entire companies.

Joe Hacker busting into your bank account and taking your funds is not living in the 'hood (maybe not even in the country), and the president of the United States is unlikely to boost a car on his way to issuing an Executive Order in violation of the Constitution.

It's just that the crimes poor people commit are scarier. Coming home to find your house busted into and rifled through makes you afraid for your very life: finding out that someone has stolen your credit card number and charged up thousands is merely annoying.

sk60

The genome isn't the problem: it's the behavior.

That needed saying again. Thanks dicentra.

David

A slightly mischievous Tim Worstall on what to do about arts degrees:

Students now borrow to pay the course fees for the subjects they study, which is as it should be. But [here’s] some interesting research about why we shouldn’t ever go back to subsidising arts degrees whatever else we do with tertiary education. The basic point being that hard and social science degrees contribute to economic growth. Arts degrees do not… Arts degrees reduce economic growth. Quite why: well, have you ever actually looked at an arts degree syllabus these days? They might well instruct well on the importance of feminism to Jane Austen, say, but they do seem to misinform about everything else political and economic. Or it could be of course that it’s just the opportunity costs: having intelligent people spending years arguing over the importance of feminism in Jane Austen is a drag on the economy when they could have been out designing bridges instead. Or even serving the coffees that their graduate degree will prepare them for.

Students who’ve gotten heavily in debt to mull, say, feminism in the works of Jane Austen may not be entirely happy with Tim’s proposed economic remedy.

Related: this and this.

Jason

I've read that if one controls for fatherlessness, the achievement gap between white and black students is almost completely accounted for. So I don't really see any strong evidence that there's a genetic component driving those issues.

I'd be interested in seeing this data if you have a link. I can easily believe that the collapse of the nuclear family has had a significant detrimental affect on those populations in which said collapse is most advanced.

Regarding the intelligence-by-race argument, I've read various viewpoints on it, but I don't think any of them are definitive. Having a lower, or higher, mean IQ than some other group needn't result in increased or diminished criminality though, and certainly needn't result in the levels of increased criminality we see in the inner cities today. Even if we assume that group X has a lower-than-average mean IQ, AND that a lower-than-average mean IQ will lead to higher rates of criminality, we know, based on historical evidence, that cultural values can minimize that behavioral difference. Married parents, self-reliance, and respect for, if nothing else, the Golden Rule (to say nothing of consistent law enforcement and social reinforcement of good behavior), will generally minimize the likelihood of criminality in a given population. Eliminate those cultural restraints and you'll see an increase in crime rates over time (I'll ignore the standard Leftist assumption that if there are no *immediately obvious* negative consequences to a given policy then there will never be any such).

Such is my opinion anyway.

dicentra

having intelligent people spending years arguing over the importance of feminism in Jane Austen is a drag on the economy when they could have been out designing bridges instead. Or even serving the coffees that their graduate degree will prepare them for.

Having studied literature in grad school, I can attest that those of us who deliberately, nay, eagerly, took such courses have no business designing bridges — not even those made of Legos.

I'm gainfully employed as a technical writer at a software firm. The programmers only know how to place a semicolon within their code — they're helpless when writing English. I keep tabs on the text that they write for display on the interface to make sure it's actually English. (Some coders are in India.)

So it's a symbiotic relationship: I haven't the brain design or disposition to do what they're doing and vice versa. However, I am fairly sure that I have the lowest IQ in the engineering department, and that's fine with me. Unless I'm around people who can do things that I can't, and who know things I don't know, I have nothing to learn.

JeremiadBullfrog

Here's an excellent commentary on the reception of the VDH piece you linked and how the talking-head powers-that-be shut down any serious and considerate attempt to have an "honest conversation" on race in the US.

http://www.villainouscompany.com/vcblog/archives/2013/07/racism_and_the.html

D

Unfortunately, I don't have any links about academic performance versus fatherlessness. I looked for a little bit, but I wasn't able to find any of the articles I read. I know I've read a few articles that said that all or nearly all the gap could be explained in that way. It would be interesting to compare crime rates in the same way as well; my suspicion is that if black fatherlessness was at the same level as it is for whites, crime rates would also be similar.

But dicentra makes a very astute point as well. Intelligence does not lead to morality, so in a lot of ways the moral situation is unrelated to intelligence.

One of the reasons that I get disgusted with political correctness as regards race is that it insulates black people from moral correction that they would benefit greatly from. I'm convinced that liberals see blacks essentially as children. They aren't fully responsible for their actions like adults are, and it's unfair to respond to what they do in kind. A lot of liberal reactions to controversies would make more sense if the black people involved were 10 years old.

For example, if a 10-year-old jumped on top of you and started hitting you, it would be unreasonable to shoot him to protect yourself. Therefore, it was unreasonable to shoot Trayvon Martin. If a kid was trying to get into his house after losing his keys and a cop came up to him and gave him a hard time, and the kid was verbally abusive to the cop, it would be unreasonable to arrest the kid. Therefore Henry Gates was unfairly treated, and the cop "acted stupidly."

Blacks are treated like spoiled, bratty kids. Whatever they do, the most that will happen is that they will be very lightly scolded. But if anything is done to them, even in retaliation to unprovoked aggression, there will be a huge fit thrown about it by the parent.

This has the same effect for many black people that it has for children: it stunts their moral growth and gives them the impression that they are either incapable of moral conduct or unbound by moral restrictions. This is a natural result, which is inevitable and would happen to anyone so treated.

And dicentra, your profession is a great help. I'm one of those software guys, and we're in the middle of finishing up a manual right now. It would be great to have you around to help write it! I'll leave it to you to judge whether my semicolons are appropriately placed.

dicentra

I'll leave it to you to judge whether my semicolons are appropriately placed.

I don't slice and dice blog comments unless the commenter has swooped in with a superiority complex and needs to be taken down a few pegs. That's still risky for me, though, because of the near inevitability of "your a moron" showing up in the hastily written correction.

Unamused

"Where have I heard something like this before? Oh, yes ..."

Northern Europeans do in fact have higher IQs than, e.g., Southern Europeans.

Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard knew more about race than every one of today's PC public intellectuals combined — whether or not you want to "go there."

"The genome isn't the problem: it's the behavior."

And since all human behavioral traits are heritable...

"When you compare apples with apples — children raised in a home with married parents — the racial differences evaporate."

No, they don't. E.g., Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study. Racial IQ differences didn't change at all when black and white kids were adopted by middle-class white families.

One-page introduction to Race/IQ research here. (Race/crime here.)

For Hume the Bell Tolls

@cm: Really? America's falling apart because black people are inherently stupid?

I am always very careful to say that individuals from any group can be of high intelligence. It never makes any difference to the ideologues who read what I say and then attack something that isn't there. It's not honest to do that, but what does the truth matter when morality is at stake? See Laurie Penny et al. You obviously either can't understand the bell curve and its implications or are determined not to understand.

@dicentra:

I really hope you're a troll, because the assumptions underlying that statement are as wicked as they are false.

Scientific statements can be true or false or somewhere in-between. Scientific statements cannot be "wicked", except to ideologues who want to close debates they are unable to win. Like Guardian-readers, Marxists and the rest of the lefty crew, you seem to want to import religion into science. Which means, on this topic at least, you are part of the lefty crew.

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