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February 28, 2014

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Ed Snack

Best comment on that "search", "I mean, how hard could it be..."

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

Vintage car accident photos, Helsinki, Finland

The text of the article states that the first car accident in Helsinki was in 1907, and that 54 pedestrians were killed in accidents in 1967, but only three in 2009. (I think; if anybody has a good command of Finnish they're welcome to correct me.)

Hal

Attention hipsters:

Yeah, yeah, we all know, hipster = immature and clueless.

Snowflakes.

Yeah, yeah, we all know, hipster---Oh, wait, actual snowflakes, not metaphorical snowflakes

Cool!!

Darleen

ok ok ... as I kid I loved the old Godzilla movies on Saturday afternoon Creature Feature... I just HAVE to go see the new one (just love they kept the same roar)

Pellegri

I am very sad the fish are asleep so I cannot interact with them. And I have to wait four more hours for them to wake up!!

Totally unfair.

Patrick Brown

Love those surf classical things. The Theme from Swan Lake is particularly good.

In other news, Pinball Wizard as a sea shanty:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvdpjZYLumw

sk60

Play with a giant eyeball. You know you want to.

It's the way it follows you round the room.

David

Best comment on that “search”, “I mean, how hard could it be...”

I had no idea that penis donation was such a competitive business.

David

Also, bean beards. You know, beards made of beans. It’s a thing, apparently.

zeppo.shemp

Apropos of nothing in particular, this seems like a good time to note that The Guardian features an article about the "subversive" political ramifications of women singing about masturbation.

http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2014/feb/27/female-masturbation-pop-miley-cyrus-music-video

JuliaM

Cat privilege checklist is teh awesome! :)

JuliaM

@Patrick Brown, 'Pinball Wizard' is good, but their 'Theme From Shaft' had me crying with laughter!

Patrick Brown

JuliaM, I've wasted a good couple of evenings watching the Ukulele Orchestra of Great Britain (other Ukulele Orchestras are available, but they're nowhere near as good) on Youtube, and I'd heartily recommend anyone to do the same. Their rendition of the Shaft theme inspired me to buy the acoustic bass guitar I'm currently trying to teach myself to play. You might also enjoy their Leaning on a Lamppost as a Russian dance, or their swing version of Wuthering Heights, or their surprisingly touching Teenage Dirtbag, or this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8dvWQMLqd4

Nik White

OT

Actually apologies because this is wildly off topic - but for the first time ever I signed up to The Guardian this evening and left a comment there at 06:42 pm this evening and how was it received?

    This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards. Replies may also be deleted. For more detail see our FAQs.

Within 90 minutes of the original posting.

In spite of all the many times I've seen others discuss the hair-trigger sensitivity of the Grauniad's moderators on this site, I am nevertheless absolutely astonished that this has happened.

I can absolutely assure you there was not one, single thing in the message that I wrote that could even remotely have been construed as having breached any one of the 10 so-called 'Community standards and participation guidelines'.

I'm speechless.

Heh, literally.

David

Nik,

In spite of all the many times I’ve seen others discuss the hair-trigger sensitivity of the Grauniad’s moderators on this site, I am nevertheless absolutely astonished that this has happened.

No other national paper I know of has that kind of censorious zeal. Seen in real time, it’s a thing to behold. But as Jeff Goldstein would say, it’s who they are, it’s what they do. WrongThought™ must be purged.

Assuming such a thing doesn’t already exist, someone should create a Tumblr for comments deemed heretical by Guardian moderators.

Hal

Also, bean beards.

Yeah, yeah, we all know, hipst---Oh, that one is a Japanese thing . . .

Oh yeah, that fits . . . .

So in Wales, one observes lots of men singing. Scots watch other Scots throwing telephone poles.

And Japan has lots of people going out and doing things that other people are doing, preferably in public and in great masses. While I was trying to find one occurrence, I ran across this other one.

Jimmy

Those marbles are fantastic.

splotchy

On moderation, I recall some years ago, someone who posted a comment on the guardian online about the Climbie case (the comment being about the political correctness of the authorities in attributing the abusive behaviour of her killers to cultural factors), not only had his comment removed, but the moderator accused him of being racist and banned him!

There followed a bit of online meltdown from other posters who pointed out that similar points had been made in the guardian itself when reporting on the Laming Inquiry. Indeed, some years later, Trevor Phillips made the same point in his excellent 'benign neglect' speech.

However, on CIF there continues to be a rather partial approach to moderating. Polly Toynbee is free to write abusive stuff about tories and deride what she calls 'toffs', but woe betide someone posting likewise about 'chavs'. She can blithely accuse others of 'a final solution' to the poor, but questioning Citizen Toynbee's motives earns a quick erasal. CIF is not about debate - it's about engineering a mindset and choreographing the response. Anything they post on gender and race is almost beyond parody and is not permitted to be challenged. Thus a distorted view from extremists like Penny & Bindel - who I've never heard anyone in real life from any background endorse - becomes a graunian impression of normality.

That sites like this exist for a bit of cathartic challenge is massively refreshing - that the uncensored views are virtually always unanimous, as well as reasoned and humorous, restores a bit of faith in humanity.

Joan

WrongThought™ must be purged.

And they call it 'comment is free'.

Hal

And they call it 'comment is free'.

Joan, of course comment is free.

Commendation takes money.

Henry

Nik,

This comment was removed by a moderator because it didn't abide by our community standards

Within 90 minutes of the original posting

Hehe. Welcome to my world and all that :)

I've been known to take snapshots of my comments in case they are deleted, but I've never mustered the effort to publish any "before and after" blog posts showing exactly what they've taken offence at.

The tumblr suggestion was to the point as there is this on tumblr. Sort of a celebration of exactly the stuff we love.

And also apparently the Guardian 'data'driven' coffee shop

dicentra

But as Jeff Goldstein would say, it’s who they are, it’s what they do.

Jeff got it from Mark Levin. I doubt it's entirely original, though.

AC1

CIF
Censorship
Is
Frequent.

Nik White

David and esteemed others, thanks for your interesting comments on CiF

No other national paper I know of has that kind of censorious zeal … it’s who they are, it’s what they do. WrongThought™ must be purged.

Heh.

This made me laugh, which is just as well because overall I was really taken aback at my own reaction to being censored – I was actually seething and I'm not sure that can be entirely put down to having had a stressful week at work.

It is really aggravating to be find yourself censored in that way on what is essentially a message forum – I can understand and even support deleting puerile comments from Trolls (though even in that case I might think twice about hitting the delete button) – but some of the stuff CiF axes?

I'm likely coming late to this particular party, but did you all already know that without even having to sign in, CiF allows any reader to click the 'report' button which allows them to choose from this list of offences:

Personal abuse
Off topic
Legal issue
Trolling
Hate speech
Offensive/Threatening
Copyright
Spam
Other

Even more surprising is that the 'reporter' is given the option to remain completely anonymous as supplying an email address is optional (though presumably they must be able to track down the user in other ways, otherwise what would be there to prevent a real troll hitting the report button + Offensive/Threatening on literally every single comment that appears in CiF?)

I'm guessing that if I was the unpaid intern moderating this that the quickest thing to do would be to delete any comment that's been reported on the principle that it must be offensive for someone to have been offended.

Neither the Telegraph, the Independent or the Daily Mail allow for an option in which someone who is not even signed in can report a comment in order to have it deleted.

CiF = Censorship is Free, even if Comment isn't.

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