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July 21, 2014

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Minnow

And I'm glad you've finally admitted the oppressive patriarchy was a figment of your imagination all along! Drinks all round!

I don't think I have mentioned the patriarchy, oppressive or otherwise. But if women's opportunities have transformed it is because women forced the change, not because the obstacles were imaginary. Still, I'll have a drink. Something fruity with an umbrella for me.

Tim Newman

I don't think I have mentioned the patriarchy, oppressive or otherwise.

Now there's a coincidence, because I never mentioned any triumphs of feminism.

dicentra

Or it could be that your profession is still largely populated with men like you who hold primitive attitudes about female workers that make it an uncomfortable place for them to be.

Puh-leeze.

STEMs are populated with Aspies. Aspies aren't Neanderthals. They're not construction workers. They haven't got the socials skills for sexual harassment.

The chess club is dead chuffed when a woman joins. It's the closest contact most of them get with the opposite sex. STEMs are some of the most pliant, agreeable chaps on the planet. If a woman beats them at their game they just up their game.

Perhaps you could, you know, talk to women in these actual professions and ask whether there's a hostile work environment towards women.

Because those women will say that there isn't. Women like me.

dicentra

Remember how Jews just seemed attracted to money lending, lacking, apparently the inclination for nobler pursuits?

That's a bullshit analogy if I've ever heard one.

The laws against Jews owning land were on the damned books for all to see, as was the express social bigotry against Jews. Nobody thought Jews were incapable of "nobler pursuits"; the Christians just didn't want them going mainstream or gaining any more power than they had or intermingling with them.

"Girls are incapable of X" is different from "Girls shouldn't do X" or "We don't want girls doing X."

Most of women's advances are the result of technology, which results in more occupations that don't require brute strength, which permits us to make a living without a husband, as I have done.

Maybe it is, let's see how things pan out.

Things have panned out. Women outnumber men 60/40 in earning college degrees.

Or perhaps you would like to address the near monopoly of females in primary education? There used to be a higher proportion of men than there are now. Could there be misandry afoot?

David Gillies

Sez Minnow: "I haven't got the energy." and then belies that fact by Trotting out a relentless sequence of cod-Marxoid bollocks. Any time I venture into this neck of the woods and see comments in triple figures I know what to expect.

Jeff Guinn

[Minnow:] Or it could be that your profession is still largely populated with men like you who hold primitive attitudes about female workers that make it an uncomfortable place for them to be.

And my attitude towards female workers is?

(Direct quotes, please.)

[Tim Newman:] What is it about the left and their inability to read?

[Minnow:] It might be, but it is too early to tell. This thread shows that there is still a lot of anti-woman prejudice in some professions and it seems implausible to me that that has had no effect.

Where, exactly? Direct quotes please. You do rather give the impression of making up bovine excreta.

[Minnow:] Bullshit. Factory hooters and fog-horns are not high-pitched, precisely because they want to convey a different message.

Bullshit.

Foghorns have very low pitches because sounds with low pitches have a long wavelength. This is important because a long wavelength means that the sound wave can pass around barriers, like rocks, easily. This property of a wave is called diffraction. Diffraction describes the ability of a wave to pass around a barrier. The longer the wave's length the easier it is for the wave to do this.

JL

Regarding female surgeons: my aunt qualified as a surgeon in the late 1940s (Melbourne, Australia). I once asked her if it was difficult to enter such a male dominated profession, and she said no, everyone thought it was great having a woman in training.

Gregoryno6

"This is not what some of the advocates of “diversity” have in mind. They seem to want to preserve cultures in their purity, almost like butterflies preserved in amber."
To which end, presumably, Queensland academic Stewart Riddle declared a couple of weeks ago that it was wrong to teach Aboriginal children English. Fortunately a few respected indigenous leaders came down hard on this idiotic burbling.

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