David Thompson
Subscribe
Blog powered by Typepad

« Volk Politics | Main | Moloch Is Hungry Again »

September 07, 2016

Comments

Sporkatus

...and this is what many don't get. In order for there to be a reasonable, egalitarian grounds for racial understanding, it has to be *possible* for raving racist lunatics to either exist on both sides or neither. Zeal for policing the tone of the ostensible right - to the exclusion of everything else - leaves the creeping impression that the "middle ground" sought is actually tilted in the direction of favoring the *other* raving lunatics.

Gosh, it's hard to imagine how ordinary people can't think anyone represents them.

MC

The only answer to these people is: 'Just. F***. Off.'

There's no point arguing with them; as this blog has so often shown, rational argument will be rebuffed with insults, shouting and aggression (actual, not micro).

Rafi

and no-one would ever take advantage of free hits.

That.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...words like “sassy” and “riot,” which are “racially coded.”

I am old enough to remember when neither of those had any racial "coding", so perhaps if they are now "coded", it is because those "offended" have caused the "coding" by their behavior. As was discussed yesterday, the trouble with stereotypes is that they tend to be based in some truth, and perhaps the "offense" is really embarrassment.

David

That.

Just imagine the kinds of personalities who would seize that opportunity.

I sneeze in threes

I think the only reasonable response to accusations of privilege is to start wearing a monocle, a top hat and carry a cane.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...wearing a monocle, a top hat and carry a cane.

Spats too, don't forget the spats.

Sporkatus

If I'm going to go Full Shitlord and wear a monocle, I'd like to go Lord Peter as well and pick up a 12-cylinder sleeve-valve Daimler. My current conveyance is lacking the full mystique of shitlordery I'm entitled to.

ARGH

Despicable, insane, corrosive, damaging. The contemporary left in poster form.

So this is presumably an official college thing? How many people signed it off? Seriously depressing, and of course just one example of a seemingly inexorable trend.

They're really not doing harmony and understanding right, are they? To such an extent that you have to conclude they absolutely don't want to do it right.

So... what happens when a white transgendered person, or a white gay person, or a white disabled person, or a white rape victim, or a white transgendered gay disabled rape victim, tells the college (or more likely social media) that the poster doubleplus offends/traumatises him/her? (Possibly out of principle but more likely as it elides their own oppression?)

I'm thinking those responsible dive back under the nearest rock with an "Er, um, totes sorry [we got called on it] you guys" press release for cover.

Then try the same shit again next year.

Spiny Norman

So this is presumably an official college thing? How many people signed it off?

College administrators, being a "controversy avoidance at all costs" bunch, pretty much let the Clown Quarter do its thing unmolested.

Trevor

... perhaps the "offense" is really embarrassment.

You're letting your Niceness show again. These people don't do embarrassment. Or shame. It's one of the great advantages they have over us, and one reason why I'm inclined to look the other way if one of our own attack dogs slips the leash from time to time.

Hedgehog

College administrators, being a "controversy avoidance at all costs" bunch, pretty much let the Clown Quarter do its thing unmolested.

Err... How do you define "Clown Quarter"? Seems to me that it's rather more like "Clown Three-Quarters" at this point, if not the whole enchilada. I'd be surprised if the administrators weren't largely in support of this crap to begin with.

At the risk of throwing this thread back to the discussion in the previous one, how is a normal kid who happens to be white and who has never thought much about his skin color supposed to react to this? And how is this not going to result in a hardening of positions and segregation along racial lines?

AnotherFred

"And how is this not going to result in a hardening of positions and segregation along racial lines?"

And in today's news: http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2016/09/06/cal-state-la-under-scrutiny-for-offering-segregated-housing-for-black-students/

Cal State Los Angeles has come under scrutiny for offering segregated housing for black students.

Under the new program called Halisi Scholars, the campus set aside about 20 spots in its 192-unit dorm complex for black students and anyone who shares similar concerns.

Communications major Aaron Rodgers is a participant. He insisted that everyone is welcome.

“We don’t want to come off as we are separating ourselves,” Rodgers said. “If you want to live in the black dorms, you shouldn’t have that fixed mindset … “Oh, I just want to live the black dorms because I’m black.’ In this whole building, there are other races,” Rodgers explained.

champ

If you look at the bottom of the article that David linked to, it says that the article first appeared in the Claremont Independent. I went there and read the comments, and noticed one by Joel Messinger, who points out the nowhere on the poster is there any indication as to what group(s) or individual(s) created/posted the poster. He even speculates that it could have been a prank by someone at the Claremont Independent. So, there is that to consider (although, I feel that this was most likely posted by a left/regressive group, and is therefor bs.)

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

Cal State Los Angeles has come under scrutiny for offering segregated housing for black students.

“Black students at Cal State LA have been, and still are, consistently made the targets of racist attacks by fellow students, faculty and administration.”

Everyone who believes this please contact me for some great deals on prime ocean front property in Nebraska.

Hedgehog

“We don’t want to come off as we are separating ourselves,” Rodgers said. “If you want to live in the black dorms, you shouldn’t have that fixed mindset … “Oh, I just want to live (in) the black dorms because I’m black.’"

Maybe I'm a bit dense when it comes to university jargon, but how does that work exactly? Cal State sets aside 20 spots in the dorm for black students "and anyone who shares similar concerns." (I didn't know being a black student rose to the level of a concern, but again, what do I know?) Aaron Rodgers is a "participant" (which I assume means that he wants one of the 20 spots), but he says that everyone is welcome. So how exactly are these spots now "set aside"? If Aaron Rodgers (who I thought was the quarterback of the Green Bay Packers, anyway, so I'm slightly confused) now has one of these 20 spots and 19 white and Asian kids show up and take the other 19, what's Aaron gonna do?

Seems to me the entire thing about the "inclusiveness" of this Halisi program is an ex post response and rationalization by the administrators once there was a backlash and they were exposed as buffoons. As ARGH says above, that only means they'll try the same shit next year and the year after that until no one complains anymore. At which point they'll have what they want. Segregation along racial lines, but for a good cause this time. Not like what those damn Southern rednecks are trying to pull, you know. You know the ones I'm talking about.

Microbillionaire
Err... How do you define "Clown Quarter"? Seems to me that it's rather more like "Clown Three-Quarters" at this point, if not the whole enchilada. I'd be surprised if the administrators weren't largely in support of this crap to begin with.

This is "quarter" in the sense of "lodging", not "one-fourth". Clown House.

the wolf

Maybe I'm a bit dense when it comes to university jargon, but how does that work exactly?

It doesn't, because by definition one can't be inclusive and exclusive at the same time. I suspect their policy is intentionally incoherent since no one can make sense of it. Clearly, even the people participating in it cannot.

David

Err... How do you define “Clown Quarter”? Seems to me that it’s rather more like “Clown Three-Quarters” at this point...

It’s ‘quarter’ in the sense of a part of town, a district – as in, “The Chinese quarter of Birmingham,” etc. It isn’t a comment on proportion, just a general clumping, in this case of pernicious idiocy.

Hedgehog

Microbillionaire and David: Yes, of course. Maybe I should have made it clearer I was trying to be sarcastic. Or, again: yes, you might say "the Chinese quarter of Birmingham," but you would hardly say "the Chinese quarter of Shanghai." On account of that being pretty much the whole shebang. Which I'm afraid is also the case of what in these pages we still refer to, quaintly, as the Clown Quarter of academia. I'm afraid the parasite has taken over its host.

TimT

There's no way fostering a generation of entitled brats who piss off everyone, including most of their own peers, could backfire for the left. No way at all....

Jamie

It's getting harder and harder to figure out what actual privileges we white people have.
Apart from the privilege of being discriminated against.

Spiny Norman

I'm afraid the parasite has taken over its host.

Like an engorged tick, it has grown to gargantuan size over the past 40 years.

Fred the Fourth

Can we hope for a Thatcherism, perhaps along the lines of "The problem with parisitism is eventually the host learns to make endogenous pesticides." ?
I know, I know. Hardly rolls off the tongue trippingly, does it?

JuliaM

Training SoC (Students of colour) to be narcissitic egomaniacs with no inhibitions who've never ever been checked in their lives. Yes, that'll do wonders for their employment chances.

Magical Dismembered Albino Finger

Off-topic: http://boingboing.net/2016/09/07/artist-in-residence-stuck-on-b.html

Tman

There was a time when institutes of higher learning attempted to dial back the identity politics in order to advance dissent and create level intellectual playing fields.

Now we are left with degree mills that charge admission to adult society.

Jonathan

If only they'd listened:

The author of the article, Louis budenz, knew what he was talking about.

From Wikipedia:

Louis Francis Budenz was an American activist and writer, as well as a Soviet espionage agent and head of the Buben group of spies. He began as a labor activist and became a member of the Communist Party USA. In 1945 Budenz renounced Communism and became a vocal anti-Communist, appearing as an expert witness at various governmental hearings and authoring a series of books on his experiences.

Hedgehog

Training SoC (Students of colour) to be narcissistic egomaniacs with no inhibitions who've never ever been checked in their lives. Yes, that'll do wonders for their employment chances.

Well, they may not find employment in the private sector, although any company with more than 50 employees better be ready to explain to the EEOC (the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, for overseas readers not familiar with the federal alphabet soup of agencies and sundry other shakedown entities) why said company doesn't employ more black people. They will, however, find employment in the public sector. Narcissistic entitled bureaucrats who think one specific population subgroup in the US needs to be put in their place. What could possibly go wrong?

R. Sherman

So, the proud parents of Caucasian freshmen at Pomona College get to see this as they're trying to get their children settled in. I assume they were not informed in advance that they're children would be subjected to such a thing. It's a wonder that several did not immediately load the car back up and proceed to the registrar to demand a refund, or pop in to the nearest law office to commission the obligatory federal lawsuit.

At the moment, the travails of Mizzou may be an outlier, but the day is coming when parents will not support a four year period of abuse for their children.

MC

So... what happens when a white transgendered person, or a white gay person, or a white disabled person, or a white rape victim, or a white transgendered gay disabled rape victim, tells the college (or more likely social media) that the poster doubleplus offends/traumatises him/her?

It won't matter, the negatives of being white outweigh the positives of being anything else. You are always wrong.

Fred the Fourth

Second kid turned out to be severely allergic to colleges (Cornell and UCB). His current track to increase his industry certifications (stats and data stuff) is looking more and more sane by the second.

ARGH

It won't matter, the negatives of being white outweigh the positives of being anything else. You are always wrong.

So what happens when a white student commits suicide over it, and leaves a note saying so?

Hal

Second kid turned out to be severely allergic to colleges (Cornell and UCB). His current track to increase his industry certifications (stats and data stuff) is looking more and more sane by the second.

That may depend on the certs. In the process of rather bloody extended job hunting, what I've been running into is larger and larger numbers of recent coding boot camp graduates, all more and more nervously looking for the next job, all flooding the local networking meetings, and now starting to attend mini-classes on the theme of getting interviewed . . . .

At this point, way back when and with a different background, _I_'d have bloody gone for a math and accounting double major and then gone from there . . .

MC

So what happens when a white student commits suicide over it, and leaves a note saying so?

I'm sure they'd find a way to turn it around. After all, they are utterly convinced of their own virtue.

My guess they'd blame it on white society for making it so hard for white people to admit their own guilt.

Hedgehog

So what happens when a white student commits suicide over it, and leaves a note saying so?

You'll see any number of tweets from self-proclaimed SJWs crowing about it. They'll view it as a good start, and well-deserved.

Mr Ecks

Close all non-science Uni courses. Sack all teachers/staff on such courses without compensation and confiscate their pensions.

Expel all "Red Guard" students. Blackball them with laws preventing them from ever having or being able to work in education/media/law/politics--any area where they might spread their marxistic poison. Surcharge their student debts 20x ensuring they will never get a penny ahead their entire lives.

That will do as a start.

David

That will do as a start.

Must you post the same comment every bloody time?

Hal

That will do as a start.

Must you post the same comment every bloody time?

The handy cut and paste serves as an equally handy time saver, and then back out to the the bars to hang out with Uranium, Plutonium, and Radium . . . .

Theophrastus

"That will do as a start."

Except it isn't even a start: it's a repetitive howl of inchoate rage, devoid of nuance and utterly impractical. How would the proposals in that rant ever be implemented in a country that observes the rule of law?

jabrwok

a country that observes the rule of law

Is there any such country anymore?

Theophrastus

Are seriously suggesting that we don't have the rule of law in the UK?

jabrwok

Not being personally familiar with conditions in Old Blighty, I can only rely on accounts of the residents. Per Dr. Anthony Daniels, rule of law in the UK has very much taken a back seat to Rule of Political Correctness. Witness Rotherham for one example.

Theophrastus

Jabrwok

I take the rule of law to be the restriction of the arbitrary exercise of power by subordinating it to well-defined and established laws. Central government in the UK is heavily circumscribed by the rule of law, which means that most of Mr Ecks' suggestions would get nowhere fast.

As for Rotherham etc, the failings of a couple of local police forces don't mean that there is no rule of law here. Hence the outcry.

jabrwok

@Theophrastus: Again, I'm not resident in the UK, so I'm basing my perspective on the (admittedly somewhat narrow) opinions of the writers from the area whose work I read. That said, "there's a lot of ruin in a nation", and my example of Rotherham was simply a single incidence. Per Daniels (aka Theodore Dalrymple) police in the UK will often not bother to investigate many/most crimes simply due to an effort to avoid paperwork. Criminal have little to no incentive to obey the law because they know there will be few, or no, repercussions to law-breaking. Likewise, the pervasive insistence on Political Correctness and the enhanced likelihood of both bureaucratic and community interference in criminal investigations reduce the incentive and ability to enforce the law uniformly. We have many of the same problems in parts of the U.S. (see Detroit, Chicago, the Clinton (crime) Foundation, etc).

Rule of Law, as I understand it, is supposed to mean uniform enforcement of the law against all mentally competent adults, regardless of social position, race, sex, etc. Which standard *no* country perfectly achieves, but some have historically come closer than others. I see more and more Western countries slipping further away from that standard every day, hence my question above. Relying on Rule of Law seems, to me, to be becoming an ever more naive position. Alas.

I do agree that Ecks proposals, emotionally satisfying though they might be, will not likely be adopted in the West, regardless of the degree to which any given Western country adheres to the Rule of Law.

Theophrastus

Jabrwok:

Confucius, he say: "Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."

Jonathan

Rule of Law, as I understand it, is supposed to mean uniform enforcement of the law against all mentally competent adults, regardless of social position, race, sex, etc. Which standard *no* country perfectly achieves, but some have historically come closer than others.

And virtually all of those countries are part of the English-speaking world.

Theophrastus

Indeed, Jonathan. However, the rule of law is not just about the rights of individuals but also ensuring that no institution, including the Government itself, is above the law.

Chester Draws

We have many of the same problems in parts of the U.S. (see Detroit, Chicago, the Clinton (crime) Foundation, etc).

For a country that doesn't take much account of the rule of law, you have an awful lot of people in your prisons.

Now either your police do hunt down and prosecute criminals, or they are sticking people in prison for effectively political reasons. Since those people seem to be overwhelmingly black, then presumably the BLM people are more or less correct -- that blacks are prosecuted for the offence of being black.

So which is it Jabrock? The US does actually have the rule of law, or your police are the racists that the SJWs say they are?

The repeatedly calling the Clintons as "criminal" is tiresome. All politicians in power for a long time break laws -- Reagan, that great right wing saint, broke plenty (but it's alright, because he "couldn't remember" selling arms illegally) and GW Bush basically ignored the laws on torture or kidnapping (but when he broke the law, that was OK because Republicans love the US and so they break the law for the right reasons).

Hal

Details of wannabe academics . . . .

jabrwok

"Better a diamond with a flaw than a pebble without."

Sure, and if forced to choose between the UK and, say, Syria, the UK would win hands down. Should I therefore pretend that Rule of Law is un-threatened in the UK, or that Political Correctness is not undermining respect for RoL?

@Chester Draws: So which is it Jabrock?[sic] The US does actually have the rule of law, or your police are the racists that the SJWs say they are?

The US is a big place, and there's a lot of ruin in a nation. We have less rule of law than we used to, and I don't see that trend reversing. Some parts are worse off than others. As for the prison populations, I don't see that as relevant. I see rule of law breaking down as people are NOT sent to prison, or are released earlier than they should be, or as prosecution becomes too arbitrary. And calling the condemnation of the Clintons "tiring" doesn't actually address their criminal histories, bribe taking, rapes, rape cover-ups, framing of videographers, running the State Department as a pay-to-play get-rich-quick scam, etc. Though given Hillary's! latest health issues, *she* certainly seems to be tiring.

Apparently pointing out that rule of law appears to be declining in the West needs a trigger warning.

The comments to this entry are closed.

For Amazon US use this link .

Your filthy consumerism supports this blog.

Blogroll