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October 26, 2016

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Hal

Great minds think alike, and so do David's and mine---Sort of.

Oh, and along with my assessment of this scattering of posers being . . . some mere and forgettable scattering of posers, Norman and David and I are posting on Wednesday, the spasm of boring bits reportedly took place all the way back on last Friday, Norman's report is the first I've learned of any of this, even with a regular look at the local news, and I Live Here . . . . . .

Liz

Apparently, the entire campus and surrounding streets now belong to them, i.e., a tiny subset of leftwing students, which conveniently excuses all manner of exciting behaviour, including harassing other students, to whom the campus presumably doesn’t belong.

That. So much that.

David

That. So much that.

I suppose it’s one of the benefits of academia’s dysfunction. It’s where you get to see leftist psychology naked, as it were. In all it’s glory.

Hal

Students at the University of California, Berkeley . . . .

According to The College Fix; Over 100 protesters from . . . .

According to . . . various sources . . . the number of the rest of the students was somewhere over thirty seven thousand back in, oh, 2015 . . .

So yes, the actual locally noticed news reports regarding U.C. Berkeley that have been making the headlines in the last few days is that the local frat types have been being just as useless . . .

. . . . They are getting into the news . . in a fashion, but.

David

One more time.

Frank

To be expelled and yet retain the college debt would be a harsh lesson. If only.

Mr Ecks

It has gone beyond talk.

Those who offer violence must receive it.

Next time it happens they must be removed and there is no need to be overly gentle about it.

And of course all non-science courses must be shut down all such Red Guards expelled and legally blackballed from ANY career whey they might be able to have mass influence. And their student debt surcharged 50 fold and aggressively collected for the rest of their lives.

The college leftist staff who have created the Red Guards lose their jobs on the spot san any compo and their pensions to be confiscated.

That should do it.

Tim Newman

Half the problem is the weather is too good in California. Some sleet off the North Sea would get them all indoors and concentrate the minds.

Charlie Suet

Qui tacet consentire videtur.

The reason these bullies don't get expelled is because the people in charge at their universities agree with them. Or at least, where the little creeps actually are themselves "students of color", think anti-racism is more important than any other consideration. Anti-racism as defined by social studies departments of the past 60 years, I mean - not real anti-racism.

Dom

Did anybody else notice that, in the video, it looks like Asian students are walking around the gate with the white students. Am I right about that?

David

The reason these bullies don’t get expelled is because the people in charge at their universities agree with them.

See, for instance, this.

David

Anti-racism as defined by social studies departments of the past 60 years,

Social studies departments. I.e., part of the Clown Quarter.

AnotherFred

The reason these bullies don’t get expelled is because the people in charge at their universities agree with them.

As is evident in the lack of reaction to protesters forming a human chain to block white students on their way to class at Berkeley: http://heatst.com/culture-wars/left-wing-berkeley-protesters-demand-spaces-of-color-harass-white-students-trying-to-pass/

So transgressive.

The poor dears apparently didn't get enough segregated space on campus.

Trevor

And that word you’re looking for is “expel.”

I rarely disagree with you, but that's not the word at the forefront of my mind at the moment.

AnotherFred

And I missed the fact that I was posting the link to a thread devoted to the very issue.

I should never post, or deal with SJWs, before my morning coffee.

Jonathan

We need a two-tier University system:

Tier 1 - where intelligent people go to learn actual stuff.

Tier 2 - where also-rans go to learn how to 'protest' for 'Social justice'.

Just don't tell them which is which and assign them according to suitability after interview. As a bonus, Tier 1 is free - paid for by Tier 2.

Pete of Perth

Problem would have been solved by the blues mobile.

David

Apparently, the protestors were unhappy about their Angry Studies Drum Circle – i.e., the Queer Alliance Resource Centre and Multicultural Resource Centre - being moved to a location that they feel is insufficiently glamorous. The issue, they say, is one of “visibility” and some imaginary right to occupy a space befitting their self-estimated importance, regardless of the cost and inconvenience to others. Indeed, the students claim that the failure to provide them with facilities of suitable commodiousness is “part of the structural racism of UC Berkeley.”

Well, it’s fair to say that the visibility of the Angry Studies Drum Circle, and the type of people it attracts, has been raised somewhat, though perhaps not in the way the students wished.

wtp

Who do you think is paying for Tier 2? Hint, it ain't Tier 2. They don't have any money.

David

A project occurs to me. Someone with time and resources could start compiling a publicly searchable database featuring each and every one of these ‘protestors’, from universities across the land, with names, mugshots, video clips, etc., so as to spare potential employers any future inconvenience. It would also help future students and their parents chose where to spend their money, and which universities to avoid.

It could be called DoNotEmploy.com

Jonathan

They don't have any money.

Of course they do, how do you think they got there? These are not the progeny of the horny-handed sons of toil, they come from middle and upper-middle class families.


It could be called DoNotEmploy.com

Sounds like a blacklist, and blacklists are RAAACIST!

Don

People are never happy. We fought for years to end segregation, now they want to be segregated again. I think we should follow the university's example all over society. Segregated schools, neighbourhoods, maybe even restaurants and stores.

Stuck-Record

It's interesting to watch the two types of body language from the activists, i.e. the ones who rush out to confront anyone who dares to try and pass.

Type 1. Wheedling, explaining, lots of passive-agressive hand gestures, usually escalating to sad head-shaking that someone is too unenlightened or racist to understand the obvious moral certainty of their cause, followed by stalking off.

Type 2. The Red Guard. Up on toes. In personal space without hesitation or preamble. Desperate for a fight (or to be punched). Absolute and utter certainty of freedom from retribution.

Anyone who's ever seen film of Red Guard student trials in the 60's, or African massacres will recognise Type 2. They are monsters.

Stan

Why aren't some of these pansies booting the shit out of these assholes?

Hopp Singg

In the awful past, children were contracted into a life of indentured servitude, with no real education except in obedience.

See the difference?

Hopp Singg

It could be called DoNotEmploy.com

It exists and is called "reliable operatives." Mr. Soros maintains it.

It's interesting to watch the two types of body language from the activists

The silly led by the sinister.

tkdkerry

Those who offer violence must receive it.

Next time it happens they must be removed and there is no need to be overly gentle about it.

Absolutely. I am worried that because the authorities will almost surely not do this, the door is left open for others. Should a motorcycle club decide to clear the bridge, things will get wet in a hurry. And the situation will only slide downhill nationally.

David Hadley

vindictive mediocrities <- that.

It is - perhaps - some subconscious awareness of their own mediocrity that causes the vindictiveness. That they are at a university where people obviously much brighter than them are studying real subjects while they throw tantrums in the Angry Studies ballpool.

David

It is - perhaps - some subconscious awareness of their own mediocrity that causes the vindictiveness.

It’s certainly hard to see the ‘protestors’ as acting in good faith. The people in the video, the ones clearly delighting in their leverage and the rush of mob power, aren’t victims of cruel circumstance pushed to misbehave by diabolical forces. They’re just shitstains who get off on behaving obnoxiously.

Or are we to believe that it’s merely coincidental that their chosen form of protest - the protest they’d planned and talked about excitedly for days - entails harassment, thuggery and attempts to humiliate random people based solely on their skin colour? And what about disrupting other students’ attempts to study, or obstructing random drivers and passers-by at a public intersection? Or threatening to cripple someone’s business simply because the little warriors have decided that it’s on ‘their’ territory? Are we to believe these are obvious ways to raise issues and win public sympathy?

Because to me it looks a bit like a threat, an assertion of power. A testing of the waters.

Killer Marmot

For many of these protesters, this will be represent the pinnacle of their influence on humanity. I hope they felt empowered by this brattish display, as it's all downhill from here.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Because to me it looks a bit like a threat, an assertion of power. A testing of the waters.

Yes, but note they never test where people will fight back, like blocking an intersection in East Oakland.

Lionel Ebb

Stupidly entitled student behaviour is just one symptom of the malaise affecting our universities. Academic studies are becoming increasingly trivialised http://bit.ly/2b4XS56 and the Student Union is out of control: http://bit.ly/2cQt37l Apprenticeships looking pretty good, right now...

David

Yes, but note they never test where people will fight back

These things always attract the same kinds of people in high concentrations, the same mix of vain and cowardly little pricks, low-level sociopaths, and people whose idea of power means opportunistically fucking someone over. As illustrated repeatedly, and often quite vividly, during the Occupy saga of 2011. An example I’ve used before is this charming incident, in which a mob of Occupiers, most of whom were middle-class Clown Quarter students, found it amusing to trap a random disabled woman - in a wheelchair, with an assistance dog - and prevent her from getting home.

Because, you know, “social justice.”

Farnsworth M Muldoon

These things always attract the same kinds of people in high concentrations...whose idea of power means opportunistically fucking someone over.

Yep, which is why I really like tkdkerry's idea of a biker gang showing up. I'd pay good money to see what would happen if the Oakland Hell's Angels just showed up on foot, nice and peacefully, and said they were going through. Even money says the crowd would part like the Red Sea, and expose them for the hypocritical posing snivelers they are.

PiperPaul

"We need a two-tier University system:"

Nah - just build the B Ark and tell them it's a Science! Expedition with free pot and many more opportunities for scolding and acting out. These idiots won't have read the book.

Hal

For many of these protesters, this will be represent the pinnacle of their influence on humanity.

Ayup . . . as noted, if one is even going near Sather Gate, and if something is even going on at that moment, then bypassing Sather really is a piffle. . .

Associate Thug

These make a nice cloud of sulfur dioxide. They're meant to be ignited underground, but of course don't have to be.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00GUQKPBM/ref=mp_s_a_1_2/165-2011833-1929408?ie=UTF8&qid=1477503912&sr=8-2&pi=AC_SX280_SY350_QL65&keywords=gopher+smoke+bombs&dpPl=1&dpID=51wOzhMwmfL&ref=plSrch

Lisboeta

I'm having difficulty getting my head round this demand for "spaces of colour".

The grandparents/parents of some of those whinging ingrates would have been involved in the justified battle against state-enforced segregation. The black protesters in that protracted struggle were largely peaceable, despite the blatant taunting and violence they encountered. I wonder how they feel when they see their progeny not only trying to turn back the clock, but also mirroring the unpleasant behaviour that they had been on the receiving end of?

Then there's the irony inherent in other whinging idiots' demands for different (i.e. laxer) academic standards for "students of colour". That was the validation trotted out by the die-hards to justify segregation: the "blacks" didn't have the intellectual capacity. Today, we have activists/protesters apparently determined to prove that old canard.

It is in the nature of young people to reject the status quo. And, throughout the ages, their elders have always complained. Socrates said: “The children now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter...” However, that youthful rebelliousness can bring about beneficial societal change. Would you want to go back to life as it was in your grandparents' time, let alone that of Socrates?

That said, if I were one of the aforementioned grandparents/parents, I'd be banging my head against the wall right now....

Daniel Ream

they never test where people will fight back

My alma mater was famous for its engineering school - sufficiently so that the engineers were granted a lot of leeway for their frequent drunken parties, brawls and fresher initiations that strongly resembled Marine boot camp, but with more abuse. For some reason, there was a very high overlap between the engineering students and the university football team (the kind where large men smash into each other, not the poncy kind where there's more violence in the stands than on the pitch).

Had they tried something like this during my undergrad years, the engineers would have sorted them out in short order. Sadly, after twenty years of identity politics and whining about STEM, even the engineers have been neutered.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...the engineers would have sorted them out in short order...

Indeed, someone just needs to go all Belushi on they asses.

Hal

Norman's report is the first I've learned of any of this, even with a regular look at the local news, and I Live Here . . . . . .

---And only in the last couple of hours has the actual local media noticed that someone else had reported some footnote to some footnote back on Friday, with said footnote apparently not even continuing into into the evening, let alone the weekend . . . even the local report isn't able to get more mileage than . . . lasted for about two hours before students moved the protest . . .

DP

Dear Mr Thompson

Sounds like neo-apartheid is all the rage in some quarters.

@ Lisboeta | October 26, 2016 at 18:55

"...if I were one of the aforementioned grandparents/parents, I'd be banging my head against the wall right now...."

You'd be banging the wrong head.

DP

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

And only in the last couple of hours has the actual local media noticed...

From the comments in said media, though this may only resonate among some of us 'Murkans approaching antediluvian status:

Why wasn't the National Guard called in to escort these students to class?

Heh.

David

Dear Mr Thompson

[ Runs comb through hair, hurriedly searches for a tie. ]

Lisboeta

David, you are not the only one desperately trying to smarten up. What did I say that got me linked to "neo-apartheid is all the rage"?

Hopp Singg

It is - perhaps - some subconscious awareness of their own mediocrity that causes the vindictiveness.

IMHO, it's not conscious but it's also not subconscious. Rather, it's denial so strong that even an obvious truth - e.g. he is a man, she is a woman - cannot be accepted, lest the narcissistic image be damaged.

They say that cognitive dissonance leads to unfocused anger. True. It ain't going away, the narcissists are gonna focus it somewhere, and they choose those who most make them feel inferior; every time they look at you they're reminded of what they are not.

champ

"Desperate for a fight (or to be punched)."

I'd be glad to oblige them...

Hedgehog

These make a nice cloud of sulfur dioxide.

Oh yeah. Remember those from my misspent youth. We once closed down a train line near Paris with a few of these. It was only a commuter line, though, so no big deal. It's not like we shut down the TGV or anything. Still, we kept a low profile for a few weeks after that.

Ah, what fun we had.

ac1

a new Peak-Grauniad

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/26/selling-yoga-teachers-neocolonialism-british-indian-spiritual

David

Remember, kids: nothing says “I’m a super-hardcore social justice warrior” like stealing someone’s bake sale cookies.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...pure neocolonialism...

I'll see your neocolonialism, and raise you White People In Canoes.

According to Misao Dean, Professor of English at the University of Victoria, the canoe can be a symbol of colonialism, imperialism and genocide due to history. She also accused the canoers of cultural appropriation because they are primarily white men and have a privileged place in society.

...and to come full circle here is a review of Prof. Dean, "Great! University is supposed to be a place for progressive, critical thinking people to engage with progressive, critical ideas."

"Missed by that much". I imagine the clowns at Berkeley are equally myopic.

David

I’ll see your neocolonialism, and raise you White People In Canoes.

What’s dismaying (or darkly hilarious, depending on mood) is the realisation that large swathes of academia are staffed by people who are (a) intellectually quite feeble and (b) desperately conformist - anxious to be seen making whatever idiot noises are deemed modish by their equally feeble and needy peers.

Not so much radicals as the Hyacinth Buckets of the intellectual world.

Darleen

“Absolutely a symbol of colonialism. It seems to me that this narrative we tell ourselves about the canoe about how canoeing makes us in touch with nature, how canoeing makes us in some way guiltless of the terrible things that the Canadian government and Canadians in general did to First Nations people.”

Resolved: People of Pallor will give up canoes. First Nations People will give up horses.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

First Nations People will give up horses.

Also steel knives and hatchets, thundersticks, firewater, and Hudson Bay point blankets, especially the blankets.

ac1

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/world/an-ex-professor-was-jailed-12-years-for-raping-a-man-crippled-by-cerebral-palsy-her-troubles-arent-over

Anna Stubblefield was a tenured professor of ethics

R. Sherman

While it's certainly pleasant to imagine a group of students defying the protesters and using self-defense to simply get to class, the fact of the matter is, the protesters know that not only do they face no repercussions for their behavior from the administration, but that the administration would undoubtedly expel any student of pallor who dared to protect himself from their assaults, presumably for being insufficiently sensitive to their imagined grievances and having the temerity to expect civilized behavior from students attending the flagship university of the State of California.

As for the question why parents continue to allow their children to be subjected to such things at great cost to them and their children, we must remember, many parents agree with the protests and believe they must do penance for the "crimes" of others. As for the rest, Berkeley has a certain cachet, and parents think their kid has a better chance to grab the golden ring by being there, so they figure abasing themselves before the new Maolings is worth it in the long term.

And, BTW, there's a reason this crap happens at places like Berkeley and not some other satellite campus of the U of C. It makes news because it's Berkeley. Recall the lunacy at Mizzou. It happened at the flagship university of the state, not at the University of Missouri--St. Louis (UMSL), a stand alone campus which is located less than a mile from Ferguson, Missouri, the locus of the events which caused the protests.

R. Sherman

First Nations People will give up horses.

Which leads me to tell a story I think I've told before. Some years ago, my lovely spouse and I were taking in an exhibit of "Art of the American Plains Nations" at our local art museum. There we marveled at the intricate beadwork on clothing depicting horses and other aspects of the "Plains Culture," including pipe-ax combos, etc.

While looking at the exhibits, I heard a very earnest mother explaining to her 10 year old how evil the white man was in "destroying" the native life. I couldn't help myself. I casually remarked that the beads she was looking at undoubtedly were made in Europe and were obtained through trade for bison hides and beaver pelts and that the horses portrayed came into the hands of the Plains tribes solely because the Spanish were lousy at animal husbandry. It's kind of fun pulling the progressive rug out from underneath someone in public.

WTP

Of course they do, how do you think they got there? These are not the progeny of the horny-handed sons of toil, they come from middle and upper-middle class families.

Perhaps at Berkley, yet given the diversification of elitist student recruitment perhaps not so much. A good number, and outside of the elite institutions I would hazard to say the majority, are there on student loans, grants, etc. Not their money.

lazlo toth

Film all of them blocking you. Sue them for whatever torts they committed - if they touch you, they committed battery. If they threatened you, they committed assault. If they trapped you in any way, they committed false imprisonment. They interfered with your exercise of various constitutional rights under federal and state constitutions. Sue every one of them. If they default attach their assets so they can't go to school anymore. Sue them, sue them, sue them, sue them, and sue them again. If they aren't sued into behavior their parents will be terrified and cause them to behave. You have rights that are being violated by them. Take a page from their book and engage in active lawfare. Sue and sue again!

lazlo toth

And if it happens on school property or with the actual or passive approval of the school, sue the school too, for allowing the students to violate you and your rights.

Hal

Film all of them blocking you. Sue them . . .

And Boalt Hall, btw, is also uphill past College Avenue and also rather distant from Sather Gate. And I could see an amusing possibility that some of the students there could be intrigued by a bit of pro bono internship practice . . . .

Vince N

She also accused the canoers of cultural appropriation because they are primarily white men and have a privileged place in society.

How much trouble can Pierre Trudeau get in, retroactively?

The correct word is "canoeists", by the way.

I propose a trade: white folks can continue to use canoes and First Nations can continue to use penicillin.

(I realize that the problem here comes not from First Nations but from a dumb-ass university professor)

Hal

(I realize that the problem here comes not from First Nations but from a dumb-ass university professor)

. . . and . . .

They Say It All Belongs To Them
But they don’t want to pay for any of it:
Students at the University of California, Berkeley held a . . . .

(I realize that the problem here comes not from First Nations but from a dumb-ass. . . . . . . . . . . . . .

---Oh, and earlier today I realized why the reports keep stating Over 100 protesters from . . . .

If someone is really bored, and watches that video a bunch of times to count unique idiots, I rather suspect that the actual number will be about one hundred fifteen, mebbe as high as one thirty five, and definitely no higher than that, or so, call the theoretical maximum number one fifty.

While again noting that the utterly contrasting number of students at Cal, as opposed to posturing idiots, is stated to be over thirty seven thousand, a rather trivial bit of Googlemancy left me utterly unsurprised to find out about Dunbar's number . . .

LH

These things always attract the same kinds of people in high concentrations, the same mix of vain and cowardly little pricks, low-level sociopaths, and people whose idea of power means opportunistically fucking someone over.

Another example.

David

Another example.

Yes, quite. You will, of course, find some vain and malicious people wherever a gathering is large enough. But “social justice” posturing seems to attract them in very high concentrations, more than chance alone would allow, and then gives license to the expression of that vanity and malice.

Burnsie

Using the threat of violence to stake out turf? How is this any different from street gang behavior?

Go ahead, give them the bridge. In a month, it will belong to gang drug dealers and prostitutes.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Another example.

Regarding the charming young Miss (?) in the yellow hat; Backpfeifengesicht: A face badly in need of a fist.

Meanwhile, Everyday Feminism:

WTP

Re this bridge thing, wasn't something similar posted here a couple months ago, I think it was a Trump rally that protesters were blocking the entrance to? Can't recall the specifics except for the image of a large group of SJW or similar at the top of some stairway entrance to an auditorium or stadium?

David

Can’t recall the specifics

Too busy to check at the moment, but I think it may have been a Milo event. That, or Ben Shapiro.

SumDumGuy

People of Pallor will give up canoes.

What if it's an aluminum canoe?

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

What if it's an aluminum canoe ?

Sorry, any canoe is cultural appropriation, as is a kayak. A plastic kayak is right out. A jon boat is unacceptable because "Jon" is a man's name and thus represents patriarchy. A McKenzie River boat is unacceptable because they are named after the McKenzie River which is named after a fur trapper - enough said there.

The only boats acceptable for cis-white males are those used in the countries their ancestors came from before they arrived in Canada to rape, pillage, and commit genocide. As examples, men from Scandinavia can use longboats, those from England, either coracles or 100 gun ships-of-the-line, but only if they are made with sustainable wood native both to Canada and the respective native countries.

Anna

Because what could be sweeter than forcing people deemed too pale to literally walk through dirt?

Firing a paintball gun at the crybullies blocking the bridge.

David

Firing a paintball gun at the crybullies blocking the bridge.

Heh. The lady wins cake.

Neil

Everything else is window dressing. Including the protestors’ claims that the failure to provide a “safe space” of suitable commodiousness, befitting their self-imagined importance, is “part of the structural racism of UC Berkeley.”

Parenting 101: If you give in to tantrums you get more (and louder) tantrums.

Rob

In the good old days the Teamsters would have turned up and beaten the fucking crap out of them. End of 'protest' and any future bullshit they might be considering.

David

Parenting 101: If you give in to tantrums you get more (and louder) tantrums.

As someone who’s been roped in for quite a few hours of babysitting, I can testify. Which makes me wonder whether the university administrators are shockingly naïve, to the point of absurdity, or simply share the protestors’ fantasies and pretensions, again to the point of absurdity. Or maybe they’re just scared of these narcissistic delinquents, and worried that any attempt to enforce normal discipline - as outlined in their own literature and agreed to in writing by all students – will result in more protests, more disorder, even violence.

Whichever may be the case, it’s not a flattering picture.

Tim Newman

We once closed down a train line near Paris with a few of these.

You caused disruption on a commuter train in Paris? Did you name your device CGT?

Fred the Fourth

Rob: I recall a passage (if memory serves) in Hunter S Thompson's "Hell's Angels" about an attempt in the 60's by Berkeley war protesters to ally with the Oakland Hell's Angels and dockworkers, on the grounds that the groups were all alienated from society (or some similar rationale.)
It ended with one group having been well-thumped by the other group. One guess which was which.

wtp

Ah, yes...this from the comments section via R. Sherman...

http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2016/05/elsewhere-202.html?cid=6a00d83451675669e201bb090a601f970d#comment-6a00d83451675669e201bb090a601f970d

As I asked on that post, why didn't the people wishing to attend the event just push on through them? Were the police protecting the protesters? How is this any different than someone blocking my access to any public space, a sidewalk, a park, etc.? They should be charged with assault.

Notice this group a Berkeley seems a bit larger than the one from Sherman's post of the Milo event. Odd thing, that.

Hopp Singg

Which makes me wonder whether the university administrators ... simply share the protestors’ fantasies and pretensions

Oh David, you're too polite.

David

Oh David, you’re too polite.

I promise I’ll work on it.

Richard

These idiots don't seem to realise that their racial politics have managed to revive the idea of "white" ethnicity.
It logically follows that if black people must be separate from white people, then white nationalism is as valid an identity.
Of course, this relies upon accepting the premise of identity politics.

Sooner or later, they're going to do something awful enough to provoke a violent reaction.

fnord

dumb-ass university professor

Congratulations, you win today's tautology cometition. Please stop by headquarters to pick up your prize.

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