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December 21, 2016

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Tom

It's been said before, most recently about the MTV "White Guys Suck" video, but were you to replace 'feminism' with say 'Christianity' in the article, Ms Dunning herself would be the very first to denounce the mother as a hateful ideologue.

Must be what happens when you never question your assumptions.

Steve B

"but were you to replace 'feminism' with say 'Christianity' in the article,"

Or, you know, replace anything male with "homosexual" and see how that reads.

Fred the Fourth

What's that I see coming rapidly through the intellectual fog? Why, it's the headlight of an onrushing train, the 10:20 "Youthful Rebellion" from Uterus, bound for points unknown.

David

Ms Dunning is currently being pleased by readers expressing dismay at her views.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

The kid better hope he can find a good male psychologist when he hits adulthood.

Anna

Ever since discovering I was pregnant it’s been a process of adjusting and reconciling my biology with my ideology, particularly when I discovered that my baby, my most-beloved Alfred, would be a boy

If your ideology makes you *feel sick* at the thought of having a baby boy it sounds like it's the ideology that's the problem.

David

If your ideology makes you *feel sick* at the thought of having a baby boy it sounds like it’s the ideology that’s the problem.

And yet that very same ideology is what Ms Dunning wishes to imprint, “at every turn,” on her child.

Jeff Guinn
How do you raise a white, middle-class boy not to think his own experience is the default experience of the world?

Won't be easy, seeing as you are drowning in miscomprehension.

Thon Brocket

The poor unlucky little bastard.

JuliaM

This is child abuse. Every bit as much as this is:

https://t.co/4HNM5YJe2c

Matthew McConnaugay

I had never wanted a son. In fact, I had decidedly not wanted one. I wanted daughters, probably because I am one of two daughters and six granddaughters, no sons or grandsons. This seemed altogether to fit in with my feminism better… There were dark moments in the middle of the night (when all those dark thoughts come), when I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

Why would you put that on the internet under your own name? Some shrink is going to make a fortune off this poor kid.

David

Why would you put that on the internet under your own name?

Where your son may one day read it.

Tim Newman

Is this another of Godfrey Elfwick's spoofs? It's so hard to tell.

Tim Newman

Despite the term family, Ms Dunning’s article makes scant mention of any male influence on her son’s life.

Why do I get the impression that, even if she is married and the biological father lives with them, her son will still be devoid of any male influence?

Lancastrian Oik

If only her husband/significant other/life partner/baby daddy/whatever were called "Kruger"....

Alice

I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

But feminism is nothing to do with bashing men.

RNB

"I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me." So -- turkey baster?

Henry

Even if it were a Godfrey Elfwick production, there's Jody Allard, whose severely depressed teenage son seems to have been on the receiving end of much righteous indoctrination..

R. Sherman

The personal becomes political and then cruises right into pathology. Eighteen years isn't enough time, I fear, to pass all of it on to her poor son.

johnbrooks

at least she didn't abort the poor little guy...

Lisboeta

respects me the way a daughter would

How can she be sure that a daughter would, automagically, respect her? Respect is something to be earned, not indoctrinated.

Jonathan

Raising a boy who maintains the status quo sure would be easy, but I refuse to be satisfied with that. I will raise a feminist boy. Just like his father and grandfathers before him, but even better. I will point sexism out to him at every turn, and he will never get away with it without being called out.

And that boy grew up to be......

Jonathan

Some more feminist parenting in action.

Joan

So she's totally against sexism but she "felt sick" at just the thought of "having something male growing inside me"…?

jkrank

To be fair, if the baby were a girl, I'd feel sorry for her, too. Equality!

David

So she’s totally against sexism but she “felt sick” at just the thought of “having something male growing inside me”…?

I suppose you have to marvel at how some people can build a political persona around quite dissonant ideas in very close proximity.

Sporkatus

Why is it that I think she'll drive her child to some atrocity, and the whole way through picture herself as Tilda Swinton in We Need to Talk About Kevin? She'll be seeing each and every rebellion or hint of acting normal as her child being evil, evil!, and will never ask herself any questions, because... well, her child is male. He's not one of the good ones. There was nothing she could have done.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Some more feminist parenting in action.

The captions are gold - so many cliches, so little time.

Beezus huddles with Christian at the Stomp the Patriarchy Ball, an event for the pro-choice organization, Shout Your Abortion, on Sep. 10...

“I hereby solemnly swear to raise the most subversive children as humanly possible,” Shawna declared on Nov. 27. “The oldest already has a magnificent understanding of every possible way to use the F-word and is GenderFierce. The youngest could eat you for breakfast. Don’t worry. We’ve ALL got this.”...

Dressed as Mother Earth, Shawna hosts a Halloween party for the children and parents of Southern Street Kids. Running the business from her home, she prefers the term “childcare” over “day care.” “We have a joke in the biz,” she said. “I take care of children, not days.”

Shawna and Beezus guide the group down the 14th Ave South parade route on Sep. 17. The Clinton cardboard cutout was wrapped in plastic for rain protection

We must protect the Holy Icon.

“I want to ask you something, but I don’t want to offend you,” said Beezus. “Are you gay?” She asked the question as a lead-in to tell me that she was a lesbian. She came out to her family at age 9, and to her schoolmates last year, at age 11.

Right, 9 year old knows she is a lesbian. You really have to go read the whole train wreck of psychopathology Jonathan linked, the sad part is that these people think they are a) normal, and b) mainstream middle America.

rabbit

It reads like Rosemary's Baby.

rabbit

I think Dunning will discover that children are not blank slates waiting to be formed into whatever shape that their parents choose, but rather that boys will be boys.

Sporkatus

The Clinton cardboard cutout was wrapped in plastic for rain protection

I think when people were referring to Hillary as a bag lady that's not what they meant.

she prefers the term “childcare” over “day care.”
This is the same facile and pretentious "question everything" idiocy that has some, no lie, objecting to the use of "handicapped parking" as a term because the parking itself is not handicapped. Or the ever popular "a person cannot be illegal".

No. "day care" - "daytime care of children", as opposed to nighttime care. "Handicapped parking" - "parking for those who are handicapped". The "handicapped" (adjective as noun, not unusual). "Illegal immigrant"->"illegal", someone who has not immigrated legally, and an adjective as noun. See also "he who commits criminal acts" ->"criminal".

These people think that their lack of parsing simple English coupled with their need to bicker and argue means that they are revolutionary and clever. Quite the opposite, it is a display of utter shrieking ignorance and inability or unwillingness to learn. They are incurious, belligerent, and it's your problem, somehow.

They. Are. Children.

TheTooner

Anna comments: "If your ideology makes you *feel sick* at the thought of having a baby boy it sounds like it's the ideology that's the problem."

And I agree, but if you read it carefully it's worse. She said she had to "adjust" and to "reconcile her biology with her ideology" when she discovered she was pregnant. That exclusively female condition was cause enough for her feminist complaint. It just got worse when she discovered what was growing inside her was a boy.

David

Some more feminist parenting in action.

Oddly enough, what comes to mind is the cliché of an overbearing mother who steers her six-year-old daughter into intensely competitive juvenile beauty pageants. There’s something similar about the dynamic.

Richard Cranium

The woman in the article has lived a life of such safety and freedom from want that she cannot think of a case where her son might need every advantage that he can get in order to survive or prosper.

dicentra

"yarn addict"

How very stereotypically FEMALE of her.

Or am I inadvertently dissing the coterie of male knitters and crochet-connoisseurs that haunt this blog?

Sporkatus

the coterie of male knitters and crochet-connoisseurs

I must admit to liking to tie knots and wanting to get into knitting for the hell of it, but my project cars and video games and reading haven't left me much time.

Runcie Balspune

reconciling my biology with my ideology

This would be interesting, as the "biology" boils down to it being a male is a modified female optimised for spreading genes, so she'll begin to experience the biological urge to encourage her son to sow oats as far and wide as possible, after all, how you going to get those feminist genes out there?

Richard Cranium

"yarn addict"

Wait, that doesn't mean a teller of tall tales or one that likes to listen to them?

champ

"at least she didn't abort the poor little guy..."

When she gets through with him, he'll probably wish that she had...

The Phantom

Look on the bright side. If Lefties are voluntarily destroying their own families with psychotic nonsense, it'll be a one generation phenomenon.

And hey, by the time the baby boy grows up, there will be robot caretakers to wipe the drool off his chin.

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

That photo essay on the "progressive" parents...ugh. Their house smells like old cabbage and sweat and patchouli, I can just tell. And hauling young kids to a political parade, then making the 11-year-old LEAD the parade? Shouting with such an angry face? I just...feel very tired and sad about this family's kids.

Fred the Fourth

Love how that parade photo is composed. How many people in that "parade", exactly?

Fred the Fourth

Oh, after taking the plunge and looking at all the photos in that link, I see there's a pic with about 20-30 people in a parade. My bad. Didn't realize HRC had such massive support.

Hopp Singg

"at least she didn't abort the poor little guy..."

Installment plan, apparently.

David

Or am I inadvertently dissing the coterie of male knitters and crochet-connoisseurs that haunt this blog?

[ Surveys room, raises eyebrow. ]

Oh I dunno. They can’t all be brigands, pirates and alcoholics. There may be one or two who lean towards the, er, woollen arts.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...woollen arts.

Alas, this gets us back to yesterday.

Darleen

There may be one or two who lean towards the, er, woollen arts.

Fashionable knits were known in France as early as the 1420s. It is also known that knitting guilds, exclusively male and with structured apprenticeship systems, were formed in Europe in the 1400s. *
David

knitting guilds, exclusively male

That I did not know.

[ Slides slice of cake along bar. ]

neal

One must take up flint knapping or welding to convince others to keep the distance.
Mothers should keep balms and salves available for the unfortunate.

If one has a mean sister then pound the dolls into swords.

Men at work. Not safe.

Darleen

mmmm.... come for the conversation, stay for the cake...

champ

Darleen
On other topics, whatever happened to ProteinWisdom?

ACTOldFart

If she dislikes men that much, how come she got pregnant in the first place?

Adam

The poor kid will be shipped off for gender transitioning before he has time to play with his barbie doll.

Fred the Fourth

neal: Or subtly encourage one's daughter to an interest in "pointy, clangy things", as my own put it.
It was a balanced interest, too. She was just as interested in chainmaille armor and shields, as she was in swords and knives.
I sometimes wonder what her male schoolmates thought of all that...

Hopp Singg

If she dislikes men that much, how come she got pregnant in the first place?

In Vino Veritas?

Rossco

What happens if the poor lad gets a sister. Will she discard him because she now has the one she wanted all along.

Greg Allan

Ms Dunning's lack of self awareness really is something special. While it might be amusing to poke fun at her now I fear what the future holds for any child in her presence.

About nine in ten youth suicides are boys. Ms Dunning is "raising" a future statistic.

Jenny R.

How on earth did this woman manage to get impregnated in the first place? She bloody well didn't seem to mind having something male inside of her at some point in the whole process!

Her son will sadly turn out to be a virulent misogynist (not that one could blame him...with such a female as his archetype for what women are). That is if he manages to survive.

It would likely be good for her to have a daughter (I have a a few, and a son) -- that way she can learn what mothers learn all along: daughters generally wind up closer to their dads, and sons to their mothers for a reason (we tend to have the most conflicts with our parental units of the same gender as us, as familiarity breeds contempt).
This also makes the case for why a two parent, cisnormative household is probably better for children.

Jenny R.

My husband (by the way) likes to knit and crochet. His mother taught him one very blizzardy period in his youth, when he was home from school and the conditions were not safe for anyone to go outside. He says it's very relaxing. I don't have a problem with it because the result has been several nice, warm blankets (we still live in an area that can get blizzardy...in spite of all that global warming that's supposedly taking place).
The guy did all the normal boy stuff back in the day, and he was an Army Ranger and combat vet...and doesn't worry about losing his man card.

My mom liked to work on old cars...still did all the normal girl stuff (it was really just a branch of her love of antiquing, and her dad was a mechanic)...hobby choice is really a matter of personal taste and experience.

Hal

They can’t all be brigands, pirates and alcoholics.

I'll have another pot of Lapsang Souchong . . .

Spiny Norman

Oh dear. If we thought dear Polly's nonsense was lunacy, this just might top it.

This article explores the relationship between breastfeeding and identity in lesbian-identified families based on a pilot study of qualitative interviews and a short survey of six lesbian families in Canada and the United States. Although breastfeeding is assumed to be “natural” and a biological function, we problematize the practice as both gendered and heteronormative. In our research we found that breastfeeding has a complex role to play within the construction of one's identity as a mother, of one's gender, and of one's sexual orientation. These women's experiences offer interesting insights into the nebulous boundaries of biology and the ways in which assumptions about what is “natural” are actually social and cultural constructions.

Uhhh, "problematize" what???

via Ace, where coblogger CDB suggests "This May Be Peak Lunacy!" Ah, no, surely some delusional feminist academic will cough up something even wackier next week.

Spiny Norman

Criminy, it looks like the spam filter is misbehaving again.

Fred the Fourth

former educator Polly Dunning....I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

I'm confident she was even-handed and unprejudiced when dealing with her young students. It's comforting to know that the boys and girls of the next generation are being educated by the finest our culture has to offer.
Surely we live in the best of all possible worlds!

Boymeetsworld

Most kids that are raised by parents like this will become extremely feminized. At some point, however, one will reject the conditioning (hard), and my bet is on that kid to be the next dictator of some western nation.

Deborah

I see lots of piercings and tattoos in this child's future, or whatever replaces them as the silent screams at crappy parents.

Deplorable J

If Miss Dunning wanted something to mould into shape, she could've just stuck to Play-doh.

Mags

Ms Dunning is currently being pleased by readers expressing dismay at her views.

'This account's tweets are protected'.

David

‘This account’s tweets are protected’.

Ah. We’ll no longer be able to watch Ms Dunning dismissing even civil criticism as “trolling,” while congratulating herself on having aroused dismay.

Though dismay or something like it is hard to avoid when the gist of Ms Dunning’s article is that she loves her baby son despite her feminist assumptions, which initially left her nauseated by even the thought of gestating a male baby – a male baby she assumed wouldn’t “fit in” with her politics. Hardly a resounding validation of the feminist ideology she now wishes to imprint on him, while pointing out his sexism “at every turn.”

Craig Mc

The rotten apple doesn't fall far from the rotten tree.

Spiny Norman

Thanks for the comment jailbreak, David. ;-)

David

Thanks for the comment jailbreak, David. ;-)

She’s a mercurial creature, the spam filter. But be careful what you say. She may be listening, even now.

Bobby Laing

Beezus huddles with Christian at the Stomp the Patriarchy Ball, an event for pro-choice organization, Shout Your Abortion.
Alternatively known as.....
'The Final De-Knackering of All Girlie Boys in the Family. Or Neighborhood.
Why not call such parenting style as Making Certain The Next Crop of Bad Boys Have Even Easier Time in Targeting and Bedazzling Our Over Protected and Propagandised daughters?
Viva The Teenage Rebellion. Unless these kids have had all the vibrant spirit of real rebellion drained by this leech like parenting.

Jonathan

The best outcome for Ms Dunning and little Alfie is that this feminist actually develops some empathy for Boys and Men.

Fingers crossed.

Lisboeta

She’s a mercurial creature, the spam filter.

Oh noes! You've done it again, David.

David

Oh noes! You’ve done it again, David.

Sorry, I’m still reeling from Heather telling us about the erotic magnetism of her fancy bras.

Lisboeta

Shout Your Abortion

Lena Dunham: "I still haven't had an abortion, but I wish I had." Stupid half-wit.

Burnsie

I felt sick at the thought of something male growing inside me.

Why do I get the feeling that sex with Polly might be somewhat less than joyful?

And what kind of man marries into this kind of nonsense?

Lisboeta

And what kind of man marries into this kind of nonsense?

a) He was raised by a strident feminist
b) He's into self-abasement
c) She's the bread-winner

Whatever, poor little Alfie stands no chance.

WTP

Re men knitting, some of us old-school Yanks may remember Penn State/LA Rams lineman, Kennedy family body guard and RFK assassin subduer, and general all-around gentle-giant/tough guy Rosie Grier was known to knit-one-purl-two...

Grier served as a bodyguard for his friend, United States senator and presidential candidate Robert F. Kennedy. He was guarding Ethel Kennedy, the Senator's wife, who was then expecting a child, the night that Kennedy was assassinated in Los Angeles in 1968. Grier and Olympic decathlon gold medalist Rafer Johnson heard shots fired ahead of them. As Grier caught up he saw men wrestling with gunman Sirhan Sirhan. Grier jumped into the fray. Grier states, "So I see George Plimpton has the gun pointed at his face, and I'm concerned that it is going to go off, so I put my hand under the trigger housing and I pulled back the hammer so it couldn't strike. I wrench the gun from Sirhan. I find the pin and I ripped it out and held it. Now I have the gun in my hand, so I shove it in my pocket." Grier later said, "I grabbed the man's legs and dragged him onto a table. There was a guy angrily twisting the killer's legs and other angry faces coming towards him, as though they were going to tear him to pieces. I fought them off. I would not allow more violence."[12][13]

...

Grier was well known in the 1970s for his hobbies of needlepoint and macrame, practices not normally associated with "macho" sports figures. ...

WTP

Forgot the source...lest anyone accuse me of "fake "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rosey_Grier#Professional_career

PiperPaul

"delusional feminist academic"

.

Deborah

It is fun to imagine that the children of these loons might rebel, as children do, by becoming Christian conservatives.

Warms the cockles.

The pendulum doth swing.

Sonny Wayze

Farnsworth M Muldoon:

"Right, 9 year old knows she is a lesbian."

You probably don't want to read this, then:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/transgender-bill-trudeau-government-1.3585522

Take away sentence:

"Wilson-Raybould [cabinet minister - SW] was joined by Charlie Lowthian Rickert, a 10-year-old transgender girl, whom she described as "wise beyond her years.""

Sonny Wayze

I meant to add to the above...

Parents have drawn the attention of various Child Protective Services for letting a 10 year old go to the playground alone, but apparently planning to have one's plumbing messed with is just fine.

R. Sherman

@ SW & His Eminence Muldoon.

The fact that children who've yet to master long division are deemed competent to make such life-changing decisions is truly astounding. Why not turn over management of one's retirement portfolios to the nearest third grader, too?

Sometimes I wonder how much of this lunacy is driven by the Mau-Mauing parents receive from other SJW types. So much do they fear banishment from the Progressive court, that they willingly sacrifice their own children's mental and emotional futures.

David Gillies

Spiny Norman: that paper is essentially a bunch of academic lesbians complaining about being mammals.

Sporkatus

@R. Sherman: A lot of the adult trans types wish they could have "transitioned" in childhood so they could have grown up as the opposite sex as well and never had developed secondary sex characteristics and build, to the point where they can get a bit loopy about it. Exactly what portion of "early childhood transexual" boundary pushing is from that phenomenon and how much is due to adults wanting a cool mascot child and Munchhausen's-ing their child is an exercise for psychologists.

Regardless whether the basis is more often vicarious on behalf of troubled adults or Munchhausen's on behalf of demented parents, who can say, but there's certainly an ontological problem involved - how would one ID that a "sexual identity" problem exists without even the merest hint of a puberty-driven development of one?

This does not prove that transsexualism (or certainly, dysphoria) does not exist, but it means that our identification thereof is poor to nonexistent, and the proposed solution is not a valid answer, leaving entirely too much weight in the hands of a mental *and sexual* incompetent - a child. Even if one were to acknowledge the broader "born with female brain" etc. etc. claims that are made, the burden is theirs to find another means than a child's say-so. The moral hazard of any kind of hormonal tampering or more subject to whimsy or easy leading is in all respects enormous, and to pretend otherwise is, in a word, evil.

No more tomboys, no more quiet mama's boys, except that every girl child must live as a tomboy and every boy child must live as a quiet mama's boy - with the only distinction being that if the child enjoys it too much they belong on the other side of the little sorting game. I seem to recall a quip about equal sharing of misery...

PiperPaul

"how would one ID that a "sexual identity" problem exists without even the merest hint of a puberty-driven development of one?"

That's a question I've always had on this issue. Why isn't it being seriously discussed at length in the media instead of non-stop shrieking about "rights"?

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

You probably don't want to read this, then:

Nothing insane from Little Potato's administration would surprise me.

Sporkatus

That's a question I've always had on this issue. Why isn't it being seriously discussed at length in the media instead of non-stop shrieking about "rights"?

They identify some melange of childhood trauma, ordinary exposure to the strange ways of the opposite sex, and whatever other portions of childhood played into their adult development in that way, and conclude (perhaps with a heavy confirmation bias) that they were always the opposite sex, it's just their body that's wrong. Difficult to prove, but it makes the wish fulfillment into one about having never had the other body in the first place.

Therefore, an "innocent" sexual identification with anything of the male or female must indicate direction toward one or the other in puberty, because, see, they were always the other. There is a constructed narrative that demands the increase of the sexualization of pre-puberty childhood identity because it's necessary for the myth.

Sexualization beyond girl toys/boy toys, simple "pre-selecting" based on sex role - smoothed over into all aspects of identity and the raw physical matters of sexual practice. Sex is identity, even if the sex doesn't match. Prog determinism.

Being in the tiniest bit unusual must be identified and encouraged *in the most sexual way possible*, because that indicates that the child *must be* "really" a girl or a boy, rather than, say, a boy who likes something about fabrics or a girl who likes things that go fast. And thus, a self-fulfilling prophecy is born. Prog determinism.

dicentra

On other topics, whatever happened to ProteinWisdom?

A hacker, presumably a Trump supporter, corrupted the whole blog with some malware. PixyMisa, who hosted the blog, has scurried under the couch and hasn't responded to multiple pings and even offers of Cash Money (from me) to untangle the thing and get it back online.

The posts are available on the Wayback Machine but the comments are not, and some of the best stuff is in the comment sections.

familiarity breeds contempt

A nit to pick: That saying applies to master/servant relationships, reminding the master to keep his lessers at a proper social distance--not to get chummy with the help--because such familiarity would lead the servants to hold his master in contempt.

My husband (by the way) likes to knit and crochet. ... He says it's very relaxing.

Glad he's able to enjoy the hobby without being hampered by "that's girl stuff."

It is fun to imagine that the children of these loons might rebel, as children do, by becoming Christian conservatives.

There's a documentary series called "Absolutely Fabulous" that chronicles just such a dynamic.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

Nothing insane from Little Potato's administration would surprise me.

The Canadians I know refer to him as PM Zoolander.

David

There’s a documentary series called “Absolutely Fabulous” that chronicles just such a dynamic.

[ Tiered cake stand slides along bar, stacked high with iced fancies. ]

Sonny Wayze

"Nothing insane from Little Potato's administration would surprise me."

Can someone explain the Little Potato meme to me? I see it at Kate's, but the commentariat here may have a broader perspective.

R. Sherman

@ Piper, Spork et al.

See, e.g. this aggregation of commentary following the publication of a peer reviewed journal article from Johns Hopkins university. As one would imagine, the reaction from the "pro-trans" community was rather shrill, including accusations of endangering kids. Evidently the truth of the conclusions is irrelevant.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

Can someone explain the Little Potato meme to me?

The Chinese called him that, he took it as a compliment. It wasn't.

Sonny Wayze

"The Chinese called him that, he took it as a compliment. It wasn't."

Thanks. {Shakes head}

Anybody else think that The Boy managed a perfect storm of screw-up over Castro's death? First he sends out a gag-inducing tribute, and then says he's not going to the funeral of his dad's Best Pal Ever because the mean kids are going to be mean to him.

Hell, in that situation, Pierre would have grown an extra pair of hands just so he could flip everyone the bird with four fingers.

Paul Carlton

"How on earth did this woman manage to get impregnated in the first place? She bloody well didn't seem to mind having something male inside of her at some point in the whole process!"

DO pay attention. Pre-op transexual identifying as woman has sex with a woman, that's a lesbian affair in the world where these people dwell.

Paul Carlton

"Can someone explain the Little Potato meme to me? I see it at Kate's, but the commentariat here may have a broader perspective."

Here's the background from Kate http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2016/09/oh-shiny-potato.html

Sonny Wayze

"Here's the background from Kate"

Oh my frelling Dog...

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