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December 11, 2016

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bilbaoboy

Tremble, Patriarchy, tremble!

Hopp Singg

When my patriarchy quivers, it's for a better reason than that.

Alice

featuring “a coat hanger encircled in flowers with the words ‘We deserve better’ written below it.”

I'm not sure they do deserve better.

Ray

Having browsed the "dumb tattoos and the stupid people that get them" vidoes on youtube I was underwhelmed. If she'd had girl power tattooed on her face and a Venus around each eye then I might have faked some interest.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

She should have gotten "Love" and Hate" tattooed across her fingers.

Ten

featuring “a coat hanger encircled in flowers with the words ‘We deserve better’ written below it.”

Every phrase in that sick formulation is dysfunctional as used. How can someone be that wrong?

Ten

I'm not sure they do deserve better.

Along with massive used as the universal adjective for anything large these days, deserve is the most useless word there is.

David

Every phrase in that sick formulation is dysfunctional as used.

It’s not the happiest combination of sentiments. But it’s good to know that, for some, the fundamental virtue of feminism, the one principle worth showing to the world, is the righteous termination of nascent human life.

Life which, apparently, doesn’t “deserve better.”

Jonathan

Speaking of over-reactions to events and a desire to end life; Louise Mensch thinks we should bomb Russia.

https://twitter.com/LouiseMensch/status/807730060774035457

David

Louise Mensch thinks we should bomb Russia.

I notice that her Twitter bio includes the word optimist.

Agammamon

That's . . . that's not a fist. I think instead of a tattoo she could have done herself a lot more good if she had learned how to make an actual fist. Its not hard, all those pro-socialist, psuedo-'anarchist' posters she's fond of have a picture of one.

Jonathan

I notice that her Twitter bio includes the word optimist.

Well, what could possibly go...

Oh.

Johnnydub

Louise Mensch has really lost her shit since being fired from Heat Street.

Mind you, she was a hysterical Never Trumper before that.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

LOSE WELL, nothing says losing well like getting a tattoo to remind you of your tantrum,

Anti fascist, or Beretta logo ?

Mind you, she was a hysterical Never Trumper before that.

For her and all the other idiots getting shpilkes over the Russians, it is amazing how diabolical they were to have Hillary win the popular vote, and lose the Electoral College.

Old tymer

I was reminded of this song .... I tried not to but I was triggered:

"One fist of iron the other of steel. If the right one don't get you then the left one will."

16 Tons

PiperPaul

16 tons, you say?

.

Joan

LOSE WELL, nothing says losing well like getting a tattoo to remind you of your tantrum,

You'd make a terrible feminist.

Nikw211

(Not completely) Off Topic:

    [A] collection of writers and thinkers of otherwise divergent views [are currently] united by the painful process of reexamining identity politics, social norms, and—most urgently—how to address racism in an election clearly influenced by it. Though earnest and perhaps necessary, their emphasis on the civil persuasion of denizens of "middle America" effectively coddles white people. It mistakes civility for the only suitable tool of discourse, and persuasion as its only end [ ... ]

    White Americans share a vested interest in not being called racist, straight people in not being called homophobic, and men in not being called misogynistic. Arguments in favor of civility cede valuable rhetorical ground by default and coddle people who may well know the score about their own views. [...]

    Civility is not the highest moral imperative—especially in response to perceived injustices—nor is hand-holding and guiding reluctant people to confront their bigotry gently ... Civility is overrated.

Don't they teach Aesop's Fables in primary schools any more? The North Wind and the Sun?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You'd make a terrible feminist.

That is the nicest thing anyone has said to me in quite a while.

...how to address racism in an election clearly influenced by it...

I am not sure what election he is talking about, but the recent one was between two persons of pallor.

It mistakes civility for the only suitable tool of discourse...

As if he would know, it is not as if the left has tried civility lately.

Ten

But it’s good to know that, for some, the fundamental virtue of feminism, the one principle worth showing to the world, is the righteous termination of nascent human life.

I once had the privilege of being uplifted and enlightened during a formal religious service in which the virtues of zero-coathanger ethics were vaguely but vigorously applauded, if by applauded I mean a sea of old leftist psychos nodded and smiled approvingly at their generation's singularly greatest contribution to civilization, which I do.

And there was singing and odes to The Children throughout, as there typically is. No, really.

That these degreed urban intellectuals could not have first plumbed the breadth of their academically-endowed minds to accomplish abstinence was left as utterly unaddressed as was this twisted, horrific, and baldly obvious perversion of a simple, sun-lit Sunday morning in a "sanctuary" setting involving, as I believe they go to lengths to advertise themselves to one and all every third meeting or so, universalist humanists.

For my part I counted not having the vernacular to more efficiently identify monsters like this as my personal failing. I was trying not to gasp audibly.

I wonder if these sanctified chuckleheads ever consider what it's like to shake with actual social rage at actual, professed lunacy - another of the ostensible talents we know they live for - or worse, suffer a scissors to a somewhat less than 9 month old spinal cord.

I don't suppose they could be sued for false advertising, could they?

R. Sherman

Rather than, say, a display of impulse-control issues and possibly future regret.

The former certainly, but I doubt the latter. Regret requires dispassionate self-assessment and acknowledgement of past error. I see little or no evidence that those like Ms. Narvaez are capable of that.

R. Sherman

...[A] display of impulse-control issues and possibly future regret.

BTW, I'm going to steal that the next time I need to something about a crappy bottle of wine.

David

I see little or no evidence that those like Ms. Narvaez are capable of that.

There I go again. Ever the optimist.

OfayCat

I cannot tell you how much I am enjoying this womans pain. Such stupidity and weakness deserves to be painful.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

BTW, I'm going to steal that the next time I need to something about a crappy bottle of wine.

When my dad found out I like Merlot, he bought me a bottle of "White Merlot".

It was so awful I wouldn't even serve it to Laurie Penny.

Adam

A woman who spends days post-election crying in public and at her workplace, (that must have been fun for everyone concerned - I hope she didn't work in a funeral home), gets a tattoo to remind herself of how strong she is? Obviously the loony-left have gone up with a new definition for strong when I wasn't looking.

Sporkatus

There's surely some clever (or at least juvenile) wordplay to be had regarding an emblem of a coat hanger and a "coat"of arms, but I doubt it's occurred to her. "Ya daft bint, someone's stolen your coat of arms! Right out of the closet!" or some such. Hangers on? Getting shirty? Wearing thin?

So many weak puns to make here and me on my phone...

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

Oh, for God's sake! She thinks the world is crumbling, and her solution is to get a couple of tattoos?

Wow. I bet the attack on Pearl Harbor would have been made all ok if the surviving Navy personnel there had all gone to tattoo parlors the next day.

ACTOldFart

"When my dad found out I like Merlot, he bought me a bottle of "White Merlot". It was so awful I wouldn't even serve it to Laurie Penny."

If it had "White" in the title anywhere, Ms Penny wouldn't drink it

Darleen

Uh oh... another Lefty claiming that Trump's election has ruined her libido

My sudden will toward abstinence was not out of a Lysistrata-style crusade to bend men to my will for the horrors visited on us and those yet to come. It also wasn’t out of principle, or out of some misplaced sense of self-righteous solidarity. (I will not fuck unless and until everyone can fuck safely!) Instead, the very concept of horniness seemed alien and impossible to me, as if creeping fascism had zapped the part of my brain that sometimes thinks sweaty men on the subway smell fantastic. Frankly, I had thought the end of the world would be sexier.

The change was immediate. I called out of work the day after the election, and, while racking my brain for ways I might improve my mood without leaving my apartment, masturbation occurred to me.

The silver lining is that maybe these Left-cult members who have substituted Left ideology for God and family will remain frigid and chaste and never reproduce.

jabrwok

The silver lining is that maybe these Left-cult members who have substituted Left ideology for God and family will remain frigid and chaste and never reproduce.

They generally don't anyway. Unfortunately they still manage to replicate via other people's offspring. That was largely the point of the Long March Through the Institutions. Don't produce your own kids, brainwash someone else's!

Squires

As actual capability and competence at a given task declines, the importance of the symbolic rises.

See also: automotive styling from the mid-to-late 1970s, coinciding with ever more abysmal engine output.

Fred the Fourth

I want to recommend the Atlantic article that Nikw211 links to in his 16:19 comment above.
I have rarely seen an article published in a notionally general circulation journal, which so blatantly denigrated the intelligence and morality of those in political opposition. One more typically sees this in hack rags.
In particular, this sentence jumped out at me:
"Perhaps broad definitions of racism and white supremacy really do muddle conversations, especially among people without the same level of critical understanding."
I suppose it's worth noting that the author is attempting to persuade folks already on his side, politically - it's almost entirely an argument about tactics.
And you won't want to miss deep insights such as "research cited by Baer and Singal finds that white people respond to being called “racist” in a way that resembles receipt of a slur"
Of course, The Atlantic is a journal I gave up on years ago, so I am not surprised to see this there.

Kevin

I think it is really selfless of her to brand herself so any potential suitors will know at a glance to avoid her like the plague.

I suggest she gets a cat.

Tell Sackett

Along with massive used as the universal adjective for anything large these days, deserve is the most useless word there is.

I'll see your "deserve" and raise you "empower".

David

Oh, for God’s sake! She thinks the world is crumbling, and her solution is to get a couple of tattoos?

Well, that and day after day of weeping in public. I can’t help wondering how this strong and fearless woman would cope with real emotional stress. I’m guessing the death of a pet guinea pig would push her over the edge.

Jackie

The article, by Rachel Lubitz, goes on to inform its readers that Ms Narvaez is “not alone in feeling an urge to get something permanent on her body after the election,” that “feminist messages have been hugely popular,” and that this constitutes a “true insurgence.”

So they're going to overthrow the government with crap tattoos? #GetAFuckingDictionaryYouStupidTarts

David

So they’re going to overthrow the government with crap tattoos? #GetAFuckingDictionaryYouStupidTarts

Heh. Well, quite. And it’s funny how the inevitable hyperbole, the ludicrous inflation, is almost always in the service of self-flattery.

And by ‘funny’ I mean revealing.

Rob

26-year-old Nicole Narvaez

Millions like her insisting they will never grow up. Childlike tantrums forever.

Lancastrian Oik

Civility is not the highest moral imperative—especially in response to perceived injustices—nor is hand-holding and guiding reluctant people to confront their bigotry gently ...

"Perceived injustices".

Given that much of non-STEM Leftist academic thinking and teaching is rooted in post-modernism and its rejection of objective reasoning then, surely, upon "perceiving" an "injustice" one should be exaggeratedly polite to the perpetrator, since it may be one's own misunderstanding of the situation which is the trigger.

Po-mo doesn't work that way, of course, and neither do SJWs; show them a non-white kid looting during the course of a riot and it's a case of "Let's not get all judgmental here, m'kay?".

Show an SJW a white person who supports Trump/Brexit/whatever and be grateful for that bin-liner you slipped over your head which will protect your clothing from the spray of spittle which accompanies the invective.

David

I wonder if this is the same Nicole Narvaez? No, surely that would be too perfect.

Ten

I'll see your "deserve" and raise you "empower".

Excellent point.

And "prayers" as constantly uttered publicly whenever there's a tragedy, especially when "wished" by politicians. And the demanded public apology, although that's more an empty, juvenile habit not befitting adults than a word.

Lisboeta

Lo, light dawns! (I'd been about to ask what a coathanger signified in modern feminist symbology.) I still think it's a silly tattoo and the reason for having it is even sillier. But, to quote Shakespeare, “Dispute not with her: she is lunatic.”

Jenny R.

Hipsters really shouldn't get tattoos; leave them for the bikers, the military, Japanese Mafiosi, or the Maori -- at least they get badass tattoos (because they're kinda involved in badassery).

Which also explains the breakdown to quivering jelly over a presidential election.

For the record: my family is tattoo'd (military -- although a couple did hang for a time with bikers after they got out) -- no, they wouldn't care what you think about their tats (although oddly enough, the one group of people I keep that on the down low from are my horribly liberal education co-workers, who can't stop trashing tattoo wearers as trash...hmm); they also aren't caring all that much about the election...meet the new boss...but my two daughters, my son, 5 other relatives sounded a bit relieved though noncommittal last I talked to them.
But no crying.

Tim Newman
"With all the shit with Pence and all these guys who are coming into power who seem to be vehemently against women's rights, they wanted to take a stance and put something on their arm that signified their position," MacDonald said.

Seem to be? Wouldn't it be prudent to find out whether something actually is before getting a tattoo protesting it?

Tim Newman

And of course, in the minds of modern feminists not forcing reluctant taxpayers to fund abortions is exactly the same as criminalising abortion and making young women use coat hangers. In Lefty-world, if something isn't paid for by forcibly-collected taxes, it cannot possibly exist. See the arts, for example.

David

Wouldn’t it be prudent to find out whether something actually is before getting a tattoo protesting it?

But if the object is self-flattery and to imagine oneself as a brave and righteous heroine, embattled in some grand moral drama, then reality will most likely be disappointing.

Jib Halyard

Blubbering like an hysterical child is probably not the best response to the accession of an industrial-grade buffoon to the US presidency.
On current indications, the coming Trump freakshow promises plenty opportunity for stern, disciplined criticism from concerned adults.
He brings no dignity to the office. And the histrionic bedwetters with their silly tattoos bring no dignity to the opposition.

MikeG81

"research cited by Baer and Singal finds that white people respond to being called “racist” in a way that resembles receipt of a slur"

Can't have that!

JuliaM

@JibHalyard:"Blubbering like an hysterical child is probably not the best response to the accession of an industrial-grade buffoon to the US presidency.
On current indications, the coming Trump freakshow promises plenty opportunity for stern, disciplined criticism from concerned adults.
He brings no dignity to the office."

Unlike the last incumbent?

PiperPaul

I'll see your "deserve" and raise you "empower".

I'm so glad you "raised" my "awareness" on this issue.

Jib Halyard

Unlike the last incumbent?

Not even close

Burnsie

I wonder if this is the same Nicole Narvaez? No, surely that would be too perfect.

Ah, the requisite pre-election sneering followed by weepy thumb-sucking and acting out.

NOW the story's complete and even more hilarious. Good digging.

Kevin Riches

If she bleeds, do they not prick her?

aelfheld

Someone who's spent a week or more crying & hysterical over an election needs "something to remind myself of how strong I can be"?

What she needs is either a swift kick or a padded room.

Or both.

Tell Sackett

I'm so glad you "raised" my "awareness" on this issue.

I would say I've been trumped there, but I wouldn't want you to be "triggered".

Squires

Wouldn't it be prudent to find out

NO.

Fred the Fourth

Squires is right. There's a minor industry publishing collections of "unfortunate" tattoos, which would be devastated if folks started being prudent before calling in the local tattoo artist. Can't have that, that would be creative destruction of the most pernicious kind. Or so I hear from the local tattoo artists and small publishers...

Fred the Fourth

"research cited by Baer and Singal finds that white people respond to being called “racist” in a way that resembles receipt of a slur"
Based on several interactions I've had since the election, apparently "white people" are simply supposed to listen silently to such remarks. Permissible reactions are limited to timid expressions of 1) guilt 2) shame and 3) "please sir, may I have another?"
Reactions 1-3 are also, as the astute among you will already be aware, mandatory.

Captain Nemo

How tedious, how predictable:

https://twitter.com/i/moments/808354356219166720

Because nothing says; "I hate you" more than writing the words of the person you hate on your body.

Richard Cranium

@JibHalyard: "On current indications, the coming Trump freakshow promises plenty opportunity for stern, disciplined criticism from concerned adults."

You must be watching a different reality than I am.

Jib Halyard

You must be watching a different reality than I am.

Right, I forgot, silly me. I should stop relying on the evil Mainstream Media for my information about the world and switch to Breitbart or Infowars or RT...

Burnsie

@JibHalyard: "On current indications, the coming Trump freakshow promises plenty opportunity for stern, disciplined criticism from concerned adults."

Why, here's a perfect example of your "stern, disciplined criticism" from yesterday's Washington Post:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/new-york-should-seize-trump-tower/2016/12/12/6dfdfc50-c0b2-11e6-897f-918837dae0ae_story.html

Absolutely reasonable. Seize his property before he turns us into newts!

Sonny Wayze

This is straight out of Jimmy Buffett, isn't it?

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/jimmybuffett/permanentreminderofatemporaryfeeling.html

Especially, "there's no 'dumb ass' vaccine"...

Jib Halyard

@ Burnsie: Really? You don't don't see anything to criticise in a candidate who actually campaigned for the presidency on a promise he would lock up his opponent? Who picks fights with his own intelligence agency (and everyone else, for that matter) on Twitter? Who seems more interested in touring the country for "thank you" rallies (yet another innovation of his) than in attending int briefings? Who so blithely brushes off his massive, unprecedented potential for conflicts of interest? The list of Hugo Chavez-type behaviour goes on and on, and he hasn't even been sworn in yet.
This is normal, is it? Things only an SJW would take notice of?
Yup, nothing to see here, move along folks...

jaed

Seize his property before he turns us into newts!

Too late, I'm afraid....

Richard Cranium

@Jib Halyard: Things only an SJW would take notice of?

That certainly appears to be the case with you.

Jib Halyard

That certainly appears to be the case with you.

Name-calling. Another SJW tactic...

Sporkatus

Jib:
Literally every statement in your last is tendentious or false.

"campaigned for the presidency on a promise he would lock up his opponent" - the key statement here was that his opponent *should* be locked up, and that anyone else of similar offence would have been. Not that he personally would find cause to convict a person otherwise clear as the driven snow, but that existing grossly illegal acts would have had anyone else in the pokey.

"picks fights with his own intelligence agency " - It's not "his" agency yet. It's Barack Obama's, and more to the point, John Brennan's. Politicized to an unprecedented level, and permitting itself to be used in non-sequitur arguments of "Russian hacking of politicos - >release of juicy detail conflated with baseless accusations of machine tampering - > "The Russians hacked the election!"

"thank you" rallies (yet another innovation of his) than in attending int briefings? " - Please demonstrate how and why he must accept all briefings on a daily basis and not a weekly one when *President Elect*, and how this differs substantially (and is worse) from the previous occupant's typical review only of a bulleted list and routine rejection of in-person briefings while actually in office.

"Who so blithely brushes off his massive, unprecedented potential for conflicts of interest? " Well, lawks. Potential for conflict of interest. Unprecedented and unlike the previous administrations demonstrated actual conflicts of interest and appointment of individuals with no qualifications whatsoever or actual anti-qualifications - Tim Geithner, really?

This in a media environment in which "respected" organs such as the NYT and Time respectively suggest eminent domain revenge and refusing to pay taxes until "return to democratic rule"? In which a contributor to CNN screamed that he would put all folk of an LGBT stripe "in camps"?

Precisely what is trustworthy to you, and what claims and charges demand scrutiny? Clearly the answers for you are "everything, no matter how absurd" and "none whatsoever".


Summary: you are hysterical.

Sporkatus

Not NYT, WaPo, rather. At any rate, you dodge Burnsie's critique of a toxic media environment with "but there's plenty to criticize soberly" and then proceed to do nothing of the kind. Physician, heal thyself.

Jib Halyard

Summary: you are hysterical.

You are actually pretending that any of this would pass without comment had there been a D behind the candidate's name?
Seems you are suggesting that Trump should be above any criticism whatsoever.

Sporkatus

Seems you are suggesting that Trump should be above any criticism whatsoever.

Utterly false, as quite a few things merit a raised eyebrow at the least, but the obverse is not that every quirk merits hysteria. Every single cited point or incident you provided was in some degree of false light. Largely, due to the manifold untrustworthiness of major media organs. If you cannot identify this, you are in no position to be "sober" going forward.

I mean. "Dignity to the office"? The office once occupied by Lyndon Johnson, who was known for waving the male organ in press discussions and holding confreres sitting on a toilet? There's someone whose version of reality is hallucinatory here, and it's not me.

Main Halyard

Jib Halyard is a lightweight. Y'all should listen to me instead.

Burnsie

Of the two circuses in town, Jib, I'm afraid it's the liberal freakshow that's completely untethered at the moment. Liberals are just completely unhinged at the moment.

And you shouldn't get too riled up over campaign rhetoric.

After all, we didn't faint when Obama told his supporters to "punish your enemies," "get in their faces," "hit back twice as hard," "If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun," and my favorite, "We talk to these folks … so I know whose ass to kick."


Jib Halyard

Ah, but in case you haven't noticed, Burnsie, the liberal freakshow is not the one taking over the reins of power in January, is it?
And one does not need to be an Obama fan to find fault with the Keynesian, protectionist God Emperor Ascendant.
None of the behaviour I have described above is in any way "conservative".
A little consistency in one's cynicism goes a long way, I find.

Burnsie

Jib, I have immense confidence in the checks and balances written into our government. We didn't elect a "Dear Leader," and I fully expect Congress to reassert its considerable authority after 8 years of spineless acquiescence.

What else? I genuinely welcome the return of a watchdog press after 8 years of a lapdog press acting as Obama's palace guard. They have a job to do again, and will do it with excessive zeal. Although I do expect better than "Seize His Property!" That's blithering nonsense.

And don't forget the entrenched "Deep State" bureaucracy, which is overwhelmingly Democrat. This alone will become a test of the Irresistible Force versus the Immovable Object. I predict a draw at best for Trump.

What's that famous quip—"fascism is always descending on America but landing in Europe?" It fits. Vigilance is fine, but all the fears will prove unwarranted.

The original Mr. X

@ Darleen:

Uh oh... another Lefty claiming that Trump's election has ruined her libido

I especially like the end of that article: "Sex is also, thank god, something I can make personally and totally sure a Trump presidency doesn’t take away from me. He already tried his best and failed." Yes, because clearly the real reason behind Trump's candidacy was to take away Priscilla Pine's sex drive...

@ Fred the Fourth:

research cited by Baer and Singal finds that white people respond to being called “racist” in a way that resembles receipt of a slur

I'll put that in my scrapbook of blindingly obvious social science findings, right next to "Being told that whites in America will be in the minority by 2050 tends to increase support among whites for restricting immigration".

Hal

Summary: you are hysterical.

You are actually pretending that any of this . . . .

Yeeeessss, I think the approaching political while should be extremely interesting to watch---and I don't mean watching only the White House . . . !

During this transition time from the proven quite conservative Obama to the equally conservative Trump, election analysis and political observation is rather likely to range from intriguing through utterly hysterically funny, at least for all conservatives, if not anyone on the left or right wing liberal loony extremes. Two particular issues that have already started getting commentary are the matter of who voted or not, and the matter of how much of a shift there will actually be in the resulting update in government.

Addressing the matter of how much change will occur, even during the campaign Trump was already getting noted as being a mirror clone of Obama for the ideological fantasists . . . Obama was the conservative winner that the left wing liberals then bitched about, Trump is the conservative winner that the right wing liberals have already been bitching about. Before the election, one of the recurring congressional jokes was the right wing attempts to revoke the Obama health care program. Only three days after the election of the equally conservative candidate---not right wing, remember, but instead, conservative---, there is already a scattering of headlines stating that Trump is looking at keeping in place great masses of that same Obama health care program, details to be following.

Watcher

Was this wrist tattoo the equivalent of a Plimsoll Line for a fisting?

Geezer

Main Halyard: "Jib Halyard is a lightweight. Y'all should listen to me instead."
I don't know why David didn't offer you cake.
_____________________________________
My in-a-nutshell reply to Jib: As I said on November 9: "I'm not thrilled that the Buffoon won, but I'm thoroughly pleased that the Wicked Witch lost."

Hal

"I'm not thrilled that the Buffoon won, but I'm thoroughly pleased that the Wicked Witch lost."

Echoing, again.

And: Quite particularly also noting the rather visible pattern that when given the choice of Clinton or Trump, instead of being given the choice of Sanders or Trump, rather a few voters chose to go against Clinton much more than genuinely being for Trump.
wtp

Hal, I'm stupid. Can you please ' splain for me wtf that paragraph is saying?

Fred the Fourth

Geezer:
Really. I'm starving over here. AND crying. (Big, manly tears, of course.)

Fred the Fourth

Oops. Blew THAT alias, didn't I...

Hal

Hal, I'm stupid. Can you please ' splain for me wtf that paragraph is saying?

Weeelll, as that paper points out, back about mid campaign season, the choices had very easily and quickly settled into Sanders, Trump, and Clinton. The assorted right wing leavings and the Green candidate were clearly going to get left in the mud.

At that point a reoccurring assessment was Trump?!?! Ehn, too much stupid crap going on there.

And then after a bit, Sanders got edged out---An easy prediction here: Starting by about MarchIsh 2017 or so will be the initial arrivals of the book length studies on how the Democrats utterly screwed over their own campaign with Clinton getting into the nomination.

Now, this is Sanders, rather than Clinton or Corbyn.

At some point, Clinton was a Democrat senator from New York, where Bernie Sanders remains the Independent senator from Vermont---not Democrat, Independent. The state motto of New Hampshire is Live Free Or Die, where one of the long borders of New Hampshire is shared by Vermont. One of the issues that Sanders faced in the election is that recurring left wing liberal distaste for personal defense and other aspects of public ownership of firearms, where Sanders is conservative and quite supporting such personal defense matters of firearms in public control and ownership.

Another example of Sanders being a demonstrated hard core conservative popped up once the Democratic nomination got formally nailed down. With the Republicans, the right wing liberals continued to try attacking Trump regardless of his being the declared right wing candidate, because Trump was already clearly conservative rather than a mere ideologically pure right wing catamite. Sanders, on the other hand, being conservative, immediately started announcing Get 'Er Elected, Get 'Er Elected, Get 'Er Elected . . . i.e. a very conservative action statement from Sanders of of Screw the identity politics, people, Do something . . .

However, no matter how conservative Sanders is, at that point Clinton was the Democratic candidate.

At that point the Trump? Meh!! voters had the other choice to look at, and that choice was Clinton rather than Sanders.

As far as the voting patterns that have already been turning up as that one similarity to Brexit, the closest to a source of complication is the various reports that the actual electorate consisted of pretty much one half not voting, one quarter for Trump, one quarter for Clinton, some fragments for the others. Trump is in, but by no means is that one quarter a majority. To play with varieties of Venn diagrams, three quarters of the possible electorate chose other than Trump, and again, three quarters of the possible electorate chose other than Clinton. When looking at these numbers, one rather interesting magazine article that already turned up as of November 11th is rather likely to be joined by many others and also entire books in enough months. That article on the website of the magazine Mother Jones is http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/forgotten-class-trump-voters-democrats and titled "Meet the Trump Democrats".

A very interesting pattern turns up in the article, one that rather brings up those voting margins.


. . . And this was the first time she was voting in 25 years of eligibility. . . .
. . . who said he was voting for the first time, . . .
. . . Some of them had never voted before; some had voted for Barack Obama. . .
. . . she was considering Trump - even though she usually voted Democratic. . . .
. . . that there's just too much sidestepping on her. I don't trust her. . . .
. . . Obama was still winning: . . .
. . . I am voting against Hillary, come what may with Trump. . .
. . . was viscerally opposed to Clinton who, . . .
. . . still startled by how long it was taking me to find a single Hillary Clinton voter. . . .
. . . another voter who had been for Obama in 2008 . . .
. . . Her vote, she concluded, was "more against Hillary than for Trump." . . .
. . . where Obama had won 56 percent, Clinton got only 49 percent. . . where Obama got 63 percent, Clinton got only 50 percent. . . . getting 30 percent, down from the 48 percent Obama had gotten, . . . where Obama had managed to get 43 percent in 2012, Clinton's support plunged to 26 percent, giving Trump a margin of 293 votes just in that one precinct, triple Romney's margin four years earlier. . . .
. . . More importantly for me, to NOT have Hillary as Commander in Chief.

The Democrats could have offered Sanders vs Trump.

Let's go back and have a look at that Gwynne Dyer comment from late 2015:
They have been holding a mock election at Western Illinois University one year before the national election ever since 1975. They have chosen the correct party and even the right candidate every time, including people who were still very dark horses at the time like Jimmy Carter (for the 1976 election) and Barack Obama (for the 2008 election).

They held their mock election for next year last month --- and the Democrats won. But Hillary Clinton didn't. The next president, according to the mock election, will be Bernie Sanders. At least he isn't boring.

But, instead of offering Sanders vs Trump, the Democrats offered Clinton vs Trump.

. . . I am voting against Hillary, come what may with Trump. . .
. . . Her vote, she concluded, was "more against Hillary than for Trump." . . .

And thus went the election.

Greg Allan

What is it with feminists and fisting?

On election night, like so many, 26-year-old Nicole Narvaez’s feelings “kind of exploded.” “I went to bed in tears and woke up to the final news hysterical,” Narvaez recalled.

I've been involved in elections since the sixties. Won 'em. Lost 'em. Cried only once. It was two weeks after we knew the outcome at the final declaration of the local vote. I didn't cry because we'd won or lost. I didn't cry because the local winner was my cousin. I DID cry because it brought my very shy grandfather - whose face was scarred by cancer - out of his home for the first time in years.

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