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June 05, 2017

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Connor

Take that, stereotype!

Joan
Astonishingly, near the end of the video a (white) activist informs a few faculty members “Y’all CAN leave and no harm will be done to you. I can guarantee that.” She adds “But by leaving it’s sorta showing this school you don’t care about the black and brown lives here.”

Kafkatrap.

David

Kafkatrap.

Yes, it’s interesting which skills the little Mao-lings struggle with, and which ones they embrace like second nature.

Jonathan

I think that instead of merely a Day of Absence from Campus, White students and staff should propose a Decade of Absence and see how things turn out. After all, no White people present should mean that non-Whites will thrive. Right?

Burnsie

Why do so many psychologically damaged people turn to academic careers, and how the hell do they manage to get hired? Just asking for a friend...

WTP

Why do so many psychologically damaged people turn to academic careers,

The same reason pedophiles, charlatans, and flim-flammers were drawn to religion. Low standards of objectivity are a big help as well. Those who can, do. Those who can't...

David

Why do so many psychologically damaged people turn to academic careers…?

Unpleasant, damaged people will often gravitate to ideologies – for instance, “social justice” - that give license to their unpleasantness. And if your favoured activities are vanity and malice, the Clown Quarter of academia - where “social justice” is holy scripture - is a near-perfect nesting site.

R. Sherman

It's rather astounding to me, that public employees of a public university do not see any sort of legal problem with forcing certain people to absent themselves from public property (with veiled threats of violence and actual physical intimidation for lack of compliance) solely based on race and doing so while being recorded on hundreds of personal video recorders. (In my business, those videos are known as "Plaintiff's Exhibits 1-25, Your Honor.")

David

and doing so while being recorded on hundreds of personal video recorders.

For those gripped by it, spite is intoxicating and trumps all else. Note that the Evergreen students were happy to film their own vindictive behaviour and share it among themselves as a show of ‘radical’ prestige, while savouring the degradation of their victims, and only got upset when, later, the same footage was seen by a much wider audience.

At which point, inevitably, they feigned victimhood.

Surreptitious Evil

Somehow, it's never the Engineering or Physics profs ...

David

and doing so while being recorded on hundreds of personal video recorders.

I’m sure you remember “Smugglypuff,” the “social justice” activist who, while on camera, witnessed the assault of Lauren Southern and then, while still on camera, and with a broad, self-satisfied grin, lied about what she’d seen.

David

and doing so while being recorded on hundreds of personal video recorders.

And don’t forget this young lady of the left, the one chanting “Love trumps hate” seconds before setting a woman’s hair on fire. Again, all caught on camera. In the same post there’s another ostentatiously ‘progressive’ lady, who, for no reason whatsoever, starts gratuitously harassing a fellow passenger, up to and including threats of vomiting on him, such is her professed contempt, and whose psychodrama escalates to such a degree that she ends up being hauled off the plane by police officers.

For some people, the urge to be spiteful, even when being observed, is very hard to resist.

Spiny Norman

It's difficult to feel much sympathy for the white faculty who find themselves in this hell they helped create. Perhaps a handful will have had their eyes opened. Bret Weinstein seems to be the only one "red pilled" thus far, but even he still claims to be a "Progressive".

David

It’s difficult to feel much sympathy for the white faculty who find themselves in this hell they helped create.

No, I struggle to find sympathy for the dozens of faculty members who profess “solidarity” with opportunist thugs and malignant narcissists. Or for a university president who gushes with praise for the kind of people who found it amusing to forbid him from going to the toilet in private. But once these absurd little monsters are set loose in the world, gorged on self-importance and armed with a belief that harassment and spite are the keys to getting what they want, someone else will be on the receiving end.

R. Sherman

But once these absurd little monsters are set loose in the world, gorged on self-importance and armed with a belief that harassment and spite are the keys to getting what they want, someone else will be on the receiving end.

In the comments to one the supplemental links in this post, Farnsworth Muldoon notes that these tantrums seem to occur only in those places which are nominally progressive in outlook and where any pushback is minimal or non-existent, i.e. Berkeley, college campuses, etc. The media, of course, is fixated on such locales and thus the stories tend to such all the air out of the room of national discourse. What gives me a small measure of hope is the realization that the delicate flowers of Evergreen State College are like tropical plants, thriving in an artificial environment, but in reality stuck in a greenhouse in Saskatoon. Transplantation can be a real bitch, if/when it happens.

Min

a university president who gushes with praise for the kind of people who found it amusing to forbid him from going to the toilet in private.

It's a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.

David

It’s a lot like Stockholm Syndrome.

I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some of these clowns should be in a clinical textbook.

Pogonip

Someone brought up HR recently--are there stats on how many graduates of Evergreen College find jobs, say, 6 months after they graduate? If anybody gets quietly round-filed by HR, it sounds like they would be the ones.

PiperPaul

still claims to be a "Progressive"

But of course! Because in the binary world of SJWs, 'not-progressive' = 'Nazi'.

WTP
Outside firing Weinstein, Bridges has essentially capitulated. Weinstein's safety on campus is still a major concern. His wife, who also teaches on campus, has also been threatened. It appears that the president's ploy is to allow the circumstances to become so unbearable that it will be unnecessary to fire Weinstein, as it will be easier for him to simply give up and leave on his own. While Weinstein has received many positive emails supporting him privately, colleagues at Evergreen have for the most part been silent on the crisis. So far, only Fox News has been willing to expose the crisis on national TV news.
Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2017/06/what_i_saw_at_evergreen_state_college.html#ixzz4j9HkZXF2

Kind of explains the so-called president's milquetoast non-reaction. Wonder if Weinstein's wife stayed home that day. Lesson of course is don't stick your neck out. He was a fool really. If he had just gone along with all the other white people, nobody would have heard of this and everything would be just fine. I believe it's a Japanese saying, the nail that sticks out must be hammered down.

R. Sherman

It appears that the president's ploy is to allow the circumstances to become so unbearable that it will be unnecessary to fire Weinstein...

And good luck with that as a public entity. Weinstein could retire if that occurs, inasmuch as discharging an employee for failing to comply with a demand that he leave campus because he's not of the correct race cause's plaintiffs' lawyers to salivate. And forget any "His email caused it, not his race" crap. The email objected to being wrongfully and illegally excluded. If it were my case, I'd confront Bridges with a video of George Wallace on the steps of 'Bama followed by the question, "How precisely are you different?" I know Bridges has a Ph.D. and 'erthing, but Geeze Louise on a mountain bike, he can't be that stupid.

Hal

It’s difficult to feel much sympathy for the white faculty who find themselves in this hell they helped create.

No, I struggle to find sympathy for the dozens of faculty members who profess “solidarity” with opportunist thugs and malignant narcissists.

Ehn, why bother with any sympathy?

Between upcoming event planning and assorted eking of a paycheck, I've been more particularly noticing when the conservatives I hang out with and work with, when we hear of some right wing or left wing idiocy that may occur near by, eyes will roll, and then we adults,


--- as we stay in the reality of whatever it is that all of us are actually doing at the moment, being the non right or left, being the conservatives, quite by contrast---

we continue to get out of bed, note the to-do list for the day, go do that, continue on . . . As we're getting assorted work done, if any comments get made to right or left extremists about their ideologies, the conservative response remains that You will join us at the point and purpose of whatever the current moment, or we're going to continue going over and past you . . . ---and if some right or left wing twit does attempt to get in the way, we do have the handy security guard or cop nearby who the right or left winger will interact with, there will be no discussion at that point.

. . . i.e. Berkeley, college campuses, etc. The media, of course, is fixated on such locales and thus the stories tend to such (sic) all the air out of the room of national discourse.

The media . . .

As also noted of Evergreen, and everywhere else apparently, Somehow, it's never the Engineering or Physics profs ... or the rest of us focusing on actually getting stuff done . . . ---Here in Berkeley and through the general SF Bay Area, the actual big concern is the assorted facets of the local transit systems, and conservatives remain utterly unconcerned with the apparent gender or DNA of whatever the individual transit operator as long as the transit arrives and departs on time . . . .


Unpleasant, damaged people will often gravitate to ideologies . . and what remains quite conveniently superfluous is whether left wing or the equally irrelevant right wing, the mere extremist does remain the easy to identify and isolate extremist . . .

But of course! Because in the binary world of SJWs, 'not-progressive' = 'Nazi'.

Ayup. The exact mirror of the right wing, 'not-right-wing' = 'left wing'.

WTP

but Geeze Louise on a mountain bike, he can't be that stupid.

And academia answers, "Here, hold my beer". These people constantly win, or fail to get their just desserts, because the default for such is acquittal or something equivalent. Putting on my Stupid Academic Hat, let's go with "I am different from the George Wallace because I'm the president of the university, not the governor. Thus my actions, or in this case inactions, carry less weight. Also note, I am not the one making the demand. I am simply being prudent. Wise even. Fools rush in and all that." Which begs the question al Wallace inverted, where is the governor of WA on this? It's a state school.

Killer Marmot

There can not be many high-school students or their parents who now view Evergreen State as a quality institution. This could mean falling attendance, and thus falling revenue.

Even if ESU manages to maintain full attendance, the quality of students and faculty will fall off, and many who attend will be attracted by the left-wing activism, throwing gasoline on the fire.

In other words, ESU's problems are just beginning.

WTP

There can not be many high-school students or their parents who now view Evergreen State as a quality institution.
I doubt there ever were many.

Even if ESU manages to maintain full attendance, the quality of students and faculty will fall off, and many who attend will be attracted by the left-wing activism, throwing gasoline on the fire.
The left-wing activism at ESU (TESU dammit!) is not a bug, it's a feature. The article I linked above from American Thinker was written by a former student who went there back in mid/late 80's. You are applying your market perceptions to an education market. This is not an educational institution. It is a symbiotic relationship between students, who are spending money that isn't theirs (loans, grants, and such) to employ what are effectively no-show/low-show jobs that pretend to be educators. It is all getting paid for by tax payers. Otherwise this institution would have gone TU decades ago.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I don’t think it’s unfair to say that some of these clowns should be in a clinical textbook.

They, and society in general, would be better off if they were in a locked down clinical treatment facility.

Killer Marmot
You are applying your market perceptions to an education market.

Yes I am. But there are few institutions that are free from market forces, and certainly not those where attendance is optional. Even if it doesn't cost students -- particularly state residents -- much money, they are investing their time and youth, both of which are precious.

Evergreen's reputation has gone from being merely left-wing to that of a complete lunatic asylum. That will hurt.

Darleen

This NYT columnist, tries to bemoan what has happened at Evergreen, but not for the reasons you might think. This opening line sets the tone:

Racism pervades our country. Students who have roiled college campuses from coast to coast have that exactly right.
I look at that and boggle... 'pervasive racism' is both undefined AND assumed as fact. Hey guys, the sun rises in the east and students are quite right in demonstrating against anyone who says otherwise, but they are going about it in the wrong way ...

Like plenty of adults across the political spectrum, they use slurs in lieu of arguments, looking for catharsis rather than constructive engagement. They ratchet up their language to a degree that weakens its currency for direr circumstances. And they undermine their goals — our goals — by pushing away good-hearted allies and handing ammunition to the very people who itch to dismiss them.

Right-wing media have had a field day with Evergreen, but not because they’ve faked a story. No, the story was given to them in ribbons and bows.

Shorter Bruni: "Please! Students, we must be gentler, kinder fascists!"

R. Sherman

The left-wing activism at ESU (TESU dammit!) is not a bug, it's a feature.

Alas, I think that's probably accurate. And the difference between Evergreen and say, Mizzou, is that the state legislature (and alumni) is stacked in its favor most likely with fellow travelers from the Puget Sound Progressive wing of American politics. Reductions in legislative funding and/or alumni donations don't seem likely. Thus, a federal lawsuit is the best of course of action--not that it would be successful, but the rot would be exposed to a greater degree. (Though I doubt the case would proceed to a verdict. This is one which defense lawyers try to make disappear, preferably with a non-disclosure agreement, even if it costs a little extra.)

WTP

they are investing their time and youth, both of which are precious.

You're still missing the point. These people aren't good at forward-thinking to begin with. If they were they wouldn't be at this institution. They get to spend their youth screwing and partying at the public's expense. I doubt they see that as wasted. Wasted youth is what gets spent in libraries and labs and such, from their perspectives. Assuming they even think much about what other young people may be doing with their lives. The only forward thinking is to bring about The Revolution!11!

R. Sherman

I look at that and boggle... 'pervasive racism' is both undefined AND assumed as fact.

The kerfuffle at Mizzou had its origins in three-count 'em; three--incidents on a campus of over 35,000 students. One of those incidents (the poop swastika) was ambiguous and the other two were never proven to have been perpetrated by students. Assuming, that is, that they were not fabricated. Nonetheless, they were deemed evidence of "systemic" racism on campus, an assertion the lackeys in the media gladly repeated ad nauseum without any further inquiry. "Racism" is the "Beetlejuice" of society. Just say it and it obviously exists.

Killer Marmot
These people aren't good at forward-thinking to begin with. If they were they wouldn't be at this institution.

That's an over-generalization. Every college has some students and faculty who are sane, and they will be the ones who keep the place viable in spite of the lunacy of their compatriots. Evergreen is, apparently, a beautiful and modestly sized campus that many would find inviting.

But if things gets completely out-of-hand then even that will not be enough to attract gifted students and faculty, and the institution will be doomed to a downward spiral.

WTP

and the institution will be doomed to a downward spiral.

Sigh....now you've made me do research. So as it's not wasted, FWIU, it seems the sun will supernova before the earth spirals down into it. The question remains however, will the students and faculty of ESU (TESU,dammit!) consume sufficient tax payer dollars that the state spirals to its doom first.

Watcher

“You can’t see your way outta your own ass!”

Fake news addition: "But we can, and we speak from this position of power!"

David

The situation at Evergreen has not improved.

And apparently Professor Naima Lowe isn’t above making personal threats.

David

“Please! Students, we must be gentler, kinder fascists!”

It’s like an Eighties band photo.

Jonathan

“Please! Students, we must be gentler, kinder fascists!”

Darleen, they're not fascists, they're communists and they use communist tactics - intimidation, threats, violence and lying propaganda. We must be careful to call things what they are and not mis-identify the threat.

Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong.

David

And here’s a first-hand account of the Evergreen Gender Studies Massive in action:

Last Thursday, Nolan and his friends were accosted again by “the mob.” He was on his way to the bus to get dinner, and a group of about 20 people, one of them holding a bat, began following them. Many of the same characters from the first encounter were present at the second one. Nolan said it appeared like the group was waiting for him outside his dorm room, like they knew where he lived. “They were all a bunch of walking stereotypes,” he said. “It’s like Tumblr was attacking me.”

They’re all about the caring, you see.

Pogonip

"...like an '80's band photo..."

Except the fat girl on the extreme right wouldn't be there, unless her father owned the record company, and everyone else would have big hair.

Black Ball

Shut the place down. Withdraw all funding.

Robert

Black Ball:
"State legislators sponsor bills to defund Evergreen State, turn it into private college"
https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/33028/

Microbillionaire
Darleen, they're not fascists, they're communists and they use communist tactics - intimidation, threats, violence and lying propaganda. We must be careful to call things what they are and not mis-identify the threat.

In particular, they're communists after the fashion of the Red Guards.

Dr. Toboggan

The black guy with the pink dreads seemed so reasonable in the earlier video, albeit in a sinister kind of way. He never once raised his voice while organising what was effectively a hostage situation.

And now I found he's patrolling campus with a baseball bat - was he some kind of thug all along?

I am shocked, shocked I tell you

David

I am shocked, shocked I tell you

What’s interesting is the exploitation of pretentious victimhood – the “I belong to an official victim group so you won’t dare retaliate” tactic. And so we get a gang of string-armed goths and fat girls and ostentatious homosexuals harassing other students just because they can - by following them with baseball bats, throwing water on them, knocking off their glasses, etc. And a black woman in a mobility scooter trundles along with them, as a mascot of their immunity.

Further proof that the absurd and the sinister aren’t mutually exclusive.

Tim Newman

And apparently Professor Naima Lowe isn’t above making personal threats.

That whale in the pyjamas holding the dog? She's a professor? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Seriously, why do we care what's happening in this campus? It's not like it was anything other than a kindergarten masquerading as a college anyway. Sure, it's wasting public money but so is running security for Hillary Clinton.

Dr. Toboggan

...why do we care what's happening in this campus?

Because it's absolutely mental. They should charge money to wander round the place like it's Westworld

David

Seriously, why do we care what’s happening in this campus?

I suppose it’s a lesson in the hazards of impunity, of encouraging a protected class of imagined victims, members of which learn that they won’t be held accountable for their own behaviour, no matter how bad it is or how rapidly it escalates. Or you could think of it as an illustration that, unrestrained by civility, reciprocation or expectations of competence, the left’s campus fiefdom, it’s blueprint of utopia, quickly degenerates into Lord of the Flies, but with more green hair dye and pretentious finger clicking.

jabrwok

they're not fascists, they're communists

Tomato/tomahto.

R. Sherman

Why don't we go directly to the end-game? Have these twits pay $100K to just bathe in SJW activism for four years and then give them a certificate of attendance. Hell, call it a "degree" if you wish and turn them loose to try to support themselves in the real world. They don't value effort or merit. They merely want a simulacrum of achievement and Evergreen is obviously the place to get it.

WTP

Sure, it's wasting public money but so is running security for Hillary Clinton.

HRC will be dead, eventually. Her security costs have an end date in the foreseeable future. These Mao-lings will be making trouble and dragging society down, wasting even more tax dollars, thieving etc. one way or another for decades.

Have these twits pay $100K to just bathe in SJW activism for four years and then give them a certificate of attendance.

Again, for the most part they're not paying the money. We are. They aren't even looking for an actual piece of paper, per se. They, and their professor dependents, only want/need a mooch lifestyle until they can move on to the next mooch. Those who think of their futures seek mooch professor jobs that perpetuate the mooching for decades.

Fred the Fourth

Not fascists or communists. (Well, not just fascists or communists.)
Look at the body language in that photo.

It's a classic
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FiveManBand

The black guy is the Leader
The redhead is the Lancer
The girl with green hair and her buddy are the Smart Guy
The blonde and the chubby girl are the Big Guy
The two in the upper right are the Chick

Everyone in that pic except the "Smart Guys" are currying favor with the Leader.

It's a High School clique, with the usual amount of sexual tension, but with more potential for injury.

Spiny Norman

If young Nolan had made even a mild attempt to defend himself against the Tumblrinas, he's be "Based Chalk Man", but alas, he did not - because he still buys into the "rayciss" bullshit.

So close.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...they use communist tactics - intimidation, threats, violence...

Except for one thing, these idiots will only "fight" people who they know won't fight back. I'd wager good money not a one has ever been in anything more than a slap fight, and the first time anyone points a 32 oz. Louisville slugger in their direction, let alone bounce one off their noggins, they'll scatter like roaches. The Baseball Furies they are not.

R. Sherman

Again, for the most part they're not paying the money.

True enough. But there's a "cost of doing business" benefit to confining all of these types in one place with a marker, i.e. "B.A. from TESC" to give fair warning to future employers in the real world. At least then the world would know that "graduates'" knowledge consists solely of alternative cosmetology and derivations of the word "fuck."

David

but alas, he did not - because he still buys into the “rayciss” bullshit.

I’m not sure that he does, at least it isn’t apparent from the interview. He does, however, note that, “Being a white male, I felt if I was to attack back it would be very bad. That situation could be flipped very poorly in my direction.” Which is presumably an acknowledgement of the institutional double standard - on campus - regarding assault and harassment, one that’s all too obvious from recent events, and which the “social justice” contingent are eagerly exploiting. Hence the opportunism and air of impunity. Even the woman in the mobility scooter is acting all gangsta.

Spiny Norman

Even the woman in the mobility scooter is acting all gangsta.

Not an uncommon sight at Walmart.

(I believe Walmart is a uniquely American freak show. Especially at the beginning of the month, when the "benefits" (EBT) cards are "recharged". Stand-up comic Larry The Cable Guy once quipped that shopping at Walmart after midnight is like walking into Monty Python's "Ministry of Silly Walks" sketch. He's right, it's true!)

Nonsterilerat

Even here in Seattle, Evergreen has long been a laughing stock. Notorious for the lack of anything approaching a real education. If you want to insult someone, you accuse them of going to school there (being a 'Greenie).

R. Sherman

I finally got around to checking out Evergreen. I note it has roughly twice as many administrative staff as academic staff. Perhaps that's a part of the problem. It's certainly indicative of the administrative bloat generally in American academe.

Also, a generally reasonable editorial from The Seattle Times, though it does manage to provide the evidence-free assertion that Evergreen's current troubles are being fomented by "by extremes on the left and right." Really? How many "right-wing" students are there at Evergreen?

Aand note with emphasis supplied:

But Evergreen faces a deeper, and more long-term threat. It is the only state four-year higher education institution to see enrollment drop steeply since 2011 despite wide-open admission standards. At about 4,080 students, it is about 300 students short of the Legislature’s funded enrollment target.

dicentra

What gives me a small measure of hope is the realization that the delicate flowers of Evergreen State College are like tropical plants, thriving in an artificial environment, but in reality stuck in a greenhouse in Saskatoon. Transplantation can be a real bitch, if/when it happens.

I know you're thinking about what happens to these Maolings when they have to leave the uni, but I'm afraid that most of them will end up in places where they can do lotsa damage.

Soros-funded activist organizations (numbering in the large dozens) will absorb many of them, wherein they'll be protesters full-time. Those with better connections will end up in politics and government, where they can "drop the radical pose to achieve the radical ends."

The Bolshevik and Nazi revolutionary movements took root in the universities long before they swept into the general pop. Given their reflexive support for bloodthirsty thugs like Wahhabists, and their bottomless pockets from Soros and God knows where else, they are set up rather well to do a lot of damage before they're stopped.

Make no mistake, they WILL change the broader culture permanently. Maybe not all of it will be permanent, but the resonance from similar upheavals in the 1960s are still heard today.

Also, Charles C.W. Cooke reports that the re-engineered Sgt. Pepper's is amazing. I don't give a rip about the Beatles, but I still think everyone should know.

Hal

Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong.

Heh!!!

Utterly and long ago defunct, any statement like that. McCarthy's right wing and therefore extremist reaction to anything left wing at Evergreen would have been to mirror 'em with the open intent to make everything worse.

wtp

Exactly what dicentra said.

And say what you will for Tailgunner Joe, but he found more communists than any of Hillary or crowd have found of Russian hacked election machines. Yet where is our Edward R. Murrow of today?

Microbillionaire

Oh man, that thread brings back memories, mostly of Hal's complete moral myopia.

McCarthy certainly did something wrong, a fact that can be inferred from him losing. "Don't lose" could perhaps be said to be the first rule of politics. Victory forgives all. And yet the narrative around him smells of Communist propaganda - thanks to Venona I can now reel off a dozen Communists in high places; the poster girl for "poor innocent victim of evil baseless-accusation-flinging man" turned out to be a Communist; when Bentley defected, Moscow knew immediately thanks to Kim Philby OBE.

When it turns out that there really were Communists everywhere, "McCarthy thought there were Communists everywhere" loses some of its punch. And so one gets "McCarthy did nothing wrong" backlash against overreach.

Stevie of Sweden

"McCarthy's right wing and therefore extremist..."

Do you even listen to yourself?

Pogonip

73 years ago today, U.S. Marines landed on the beach at Normandy.

Only 73 years.

WTP

73 years ago today, U.S. Marines landed on the beach at Normandy.

Umm....almost. US Army. Marines missed out on that one. That one being the largest sea-born invasion in history. Some training by USMC officers, IIRC. But God bless 'em all, either way.

WTP

AAAHHHH....meant to add but got interrupted....Canadians and Brits and Poles and Aussies and on down the line. Canadians and Brits actually outnumbered US. Ahhhh....Wiki:

The official British history gives an estimated figure of 156,115 men landed on D-Day. This comprised 57,500 Americans and 75,215 British and Canadians from the sea and 15,500 Americans and 7,900 British from the air. Ellis, Allen & Warhurst 2004, pp. 521–533. Jump up ^ The original estimate for Allied casualties was 10,000, of which 2,500 were killed. Research under way by the National D-Day Memorial has confirmed 4,414 deaths, of which 2,499 were American and 1,915 were from other nations. Whitmarsh 2009, p. 87.
R. Sherman

@WTP,

Many moons ago, I negotiated a deal with my wife for our honeymoon trip: She got a week in Paris; I got a week in Normandy. The beaches must be seen in person to really appreciate the enormity of the undertaking. We basically took the week and tried to cover the whole campaign from the landings through the Falaise Pocket. Carlo D'Este was with us in paperback and spirit. My wife took it surprisingly well, seeing as how she's German.

David

I negotiated a deal with my wife for our honeymoon trip: She got a week in Paris; I got a week in Normandy.

Not the same week, I assume.

“How’s your honeymoon, darling?” “Fine, my love. I’ll send you a postcard.”

R. Sherman

Not the same week, I assume.

She may have preferred it that way initially, now that I think about it, but she seemed actually to enjoy it actually.

Eventually.

R. Sherman

Evidence.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

Canadians and Brits actually outnumbered US...

Yes, but bear in mind the US had nigh the entire Marine Corps and most of the Army not tied up in Italy busy in the Pacific at the same time.

Research under way by the National D-Day Memorial has confirmed 4,414 deaths, of which 2,499 were American and 1,915 were from other nations.

As anyone who has ever been to Normandy can attest, it is only thanks to a miracle (and the 101st) that anyone got off the beaches, particularly Omaha.

Pogonip

Thank you for the correction, WTP.

David

Somewhat related, things overheard at a conference on “critical race theory.”

Spiny Norman

"...things overheard at a conference on “critical race theory.”

Each race-obsessed moron trying to one-up the last. It's like a Spock-with-a-goatee parallel universe "Four Yorkshiremen". Great Merciful Zeus.

Hal

Yet where is our Edward R. Murrow of today?

Ah, y'mean this guy?

So, when calling for a Murrow, to equally reveal and correctly bring down whom???

After all, in the last presidential election, Trump got in after the all the right wing candidates unsurprisingly and inevitably and happily all failed.

For the 2016 election, only the blind and the desperate still attempted to claim that right wing and left wing are the only choices, and that right wing means conservative. The most evident proof was having three conservatives fighting for the two presidential nomination seats of the Democrats and the Republicans. Very little came out of the left wing liberal gutter, and from the right wing liberal gutter, the right wing liberal candidates were reduced to hoping for a VP slot and assessing how to pay off campaign debts.


A mid electoral campaign editorial note about that last paragraph, above: The first edition of this paper was finished and emailed as a magazine submission on 2016/4/24. While the particular magazine had no response to the submission, the submitting email does confirm the date. Three days later, Ted Cruz announced that Carly Fiorina would be his VP.

Hal

"McCarthy's right wing and therefore extremist..."

Do you even listen to yourself?

Well, given the advantage to being conservative rather than mere right wing, why yes, I have no problems noting and sticking to reality. I do thank you for asking, though!

Hal

. . . things overheard at a conference on “critical race theory.”

“Whiteness has already been constructed against blackness. There is no virtue in whiteness, it is inherently violent,” one conference-goer tweeted, referencing a quote from Michael Dumas, a professor at the University of California, Berkeley who spoke at the event.

Michael J. Dumas

Assistant Professor
Ph.D., The Graduate Center of The City University of New York, Urban Education
M.Ed., University of Maryland at College Park, College Student Personnel/College Counseling
B.A., Fairhaven College, Western Washington University, Interdisciplinary Social Sciences

Somehow, it's never the Engineering or Physics profs ...

Jonathan

Joe McCarthy did nothing wrong.

Heh!!!

Utterly and long ago defunct, any statement like that.

Joe McCarthy was pretty much correct in his claims of both the communist threat to the US and in his identification of actual Soviet spies and agents of influence in the media and in government. As Microbillionaire said, his failure to get real action against the threat was his, and Americas, real loss - we still feel its effects today.

Jonathan

Here's one especially for Hal:



WTP

So, when calling for a Murrow, to equally reveal and correctly bring down whom???

There are two kinds of people in this world. Those who can extrapolate from incomplete data.

Jonathan

Let me try again:

Microbillionaire

Objection: Dante never said that. The bottommost layer of Hell (I'm not aware of any literal "darkest") is reserved for traitors in Dante's Inferno. Those who maintain overmuch neutrality are sentenced to the "lobby" of Hell; Hell proper doesn't want them any more than Heaven does, as they haven't done great evil nor great good, and their assigned fate is to forever chase a moving target.

Dr. Toboggan

Mirocb - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7-ma9fX0f4

Jonathan

Objection: Dante never said that.

Bbbbut... you mean teh internet lied to me!

WTP

Objection: Dante never said that. The bottommost layer of Hell (I'm not aware of any literal "darkest") is reserved for traitors in Dante's Inferno.

Heh. Definitely not looking to start an argument on this as there's a lot of that going around and I'm guilty of it as well, but this sort of "what we think we know" knowledge fascinates and amuses me. I thought that quote looked suspicious so I looked it up (briefly) and found numerous sources, including it being a favorite quote of JFK. Didn't bother to dig deeper than the first couple Google links. But it's too good to pass on. BS makes the world go 'round. Not that this is BS as it is still generally relevant, just not at the extreme stated. I'm quite the nerd that way....well, that and a few others.

champ

"I am embedded in (and indebted to) traditions of black utterance and knowledge production. I speak in codes. I hide in plain sight as a body that’s simultaneously hyper-visible and impossible to see."

Lady (and I use that term advisedly) your fat body is not "impossible to see."

Hal

Here's one especially for Hal:

Ah, so so along with apparently being clueless about McCarthy, you also haven't read your Dante.

---It's interesting that you're effectively admiring my reading list.---I did a read of some translation of the Inferno several years back--and Niven and Pournelle's Inferno as well---where at this point, Clive James' translation of the Commedia and related commentary are actually next on the list . . .

Now, since you quite easily link McCarthy and his being a traitor---like it or not---Treason:

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.


Rather easy googlemancy turned up another reminder.

Hoover dismayed by McCarthy's methods / As serious an anti-communist as FBI director was, he felt name-calling senator damaged the cause

McCarthy's most important legacy isn't the damage he did to innocent Americans, but the toll his excesses had on how the anti-communist movement is regarded historically. This has caused the very real threat that was posed by the Soviet Union to be dismissed.

. . . .

Despite Hoover's excesses, he didn't make a practice of frivolous accusations about communism the way McCarthy did. Hoover was a serious student of the Communist Party, and he realized that one of the party's chief objectives was to sow confusion, suspicion and hatred among the American people. Hoover knew that facts were essential in such combat, so McCarthy's recklessness greatly disturbed him.

Hoover made his policy clear in 1947, McCarthy's first year in the Senate. "Don't label anyone as a Communist unless you have the facts," he wrote in Newsweek. "Don't confuse liberals and progressives with Communists. Don't be a party to a violation of the civil rights of anyone. When this is done, you are playing right into the hands of the Communists."
. . .

McCarthy's "failure to speak authoritatively on the threat to internal security," DeLoach said, was especially troubling to Hoover.

. . . .

"According to the Communist leaders, McCarthy has helped them a great deal," Herbert Philbrick, who spied on communists for the FBI for almost a decade, said in 1952. "McCarthy's kind of attacks add greatly to the confusion, putting up a smokescreen for the party and making it more difficult than ever for people to discern who is a communist and who is not."

. . .

"Here was a typical communist trap, and McCarthy walked right into it," . . ."He took after the dupes and let the hidden communists get away."


Soooo, as a reminder of what we've already been aware of, the issue with McCarthy isn't that he was going after communists, the issue is that he was supporting the actual communists.

See also, and more, and Oh, look, even more:

Several months before he died, I interviewed Robert J. Lamphere who participated in all the FBI’s major spy cases during the McCarthy period. Beginning in 1948, Lamphere also was the FBI liaison to the U.S. Army’s Signal Intelligence Service’s VENONA program and used leads from the intercepts to work cases involving Klaus Fuchs, Harry Gold, David Greenglass, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean, and Kim Philby.

For my book “The Bureau: The Secret History of the FBI,” Lamphere told me that agents who worked counterintelligence were aghast that Hoover initially supported McCarthy. [Editor's Note: Get Ron Kessler's book. Go here now.]

“McCarthyism did all kinds of harm because he was pushing something that wasn’t so,” Lamphere told me. The VENONA intercepts showed that over several decades, “There were a lot of spies in the government, but not all in the State Department,” Lamphere said. However, “The problem was that McCarthy lied about his information and figures. He made charges against people that weren’t true. McCarthyism harmed the counterintelligence effort against the Soviet threat because of the revulsion it caused. All along, Hoover was helping him.”


McCarthy was, is, and will always be nothing more than a mere and typical right wing loony, incompetent, a compete failure.

Jonathan

"According to the Communist leaders, McCarthy has helped them a great deal,"

Commies never lie....Oh wait.

"Here was a typical communist trap, and McCarthy walked right into it," . . ."He took after the dupes and let the hidden communists get away."

Sounds like a bad script for an episode of 'Scooby-Do' - I'm sure the FBI love blaming their own failures on Joe McCarthy.


the issue is that he was supporting the actual communists.


No he wasn't.


Hal, you're the complete 'conservative' and fence-sitter who's proud of his membership of a movement which has conserved nothing, whose only enemies are to their right and whose only desire is to be seen as good losers. You'll end up equivocating yourself to death.

Richard Cranium

You really need to remember that Hal lives in the San Francisco/Bay area.
The definition of "conservative" in that area is somewhat unique.

PiperPaul

"Those who maintain overmuch neutrality are sentenced to the "lobby" of Hell"

I don't really want to know what actually goes on in the Bathroom of Hell but is it transgender-friendly?

WTP

Perhaps something like this, PP?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HykHNFjApGc

Spiny Norman

Richard,

The definition of "conservative" in that area is somewhat unique.

After at least 15 years, the loony Berzerkeley-ites have never been able to "out" the Bay Area's conservative guerilla journalist Zombie. Maintaining his/her anonymity must require almost religious devotion.

Trevor

You really need to remember that Hal lives in the San Francisco/Bay area.

It shocks me that in the home of Berkeley posting self-referential hyperlinks can be considered argument-ending refutation. The smelling salts, Jeeves - and toot sweet.

Fruitbat44

'John Wayne is Big Leggy.' Happy memories. :)

Hal

More from Evergreen State University . . . .

Hopp Singg

I don't really want to know what actually goes on in the Bathroom of Hell but is it transgender-friendly?

In the innermost ring of Hell, you're always hungry, always eating. No shit.

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