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July 10, 2017

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Clam

After the speech, the organising member of refusefascism.org was desperate to get Shad more involved.

LOL

Jonathan

And Ace’s CBD on the obliviousness of the protesting class:

Somewhat Related

I haven't seen any of this reported by the MSM.

sH2

“They’re weaponising free speech to maintain their cultural dominance,”

They're weaponizing victimhood to maintain their cultural dominance.

Sam

a group of protesters applaud a speech comprised almost entirely of Adolf Hitler quotes

Top trolling. :-)

George

Slightly OT but why do so many Americans pronounce Adolf as A-rhymes-with-day-dolf? I've always found it a bit odd.

Franklin

Thanks for the feature. Despite West's July 2 announcement that she was to be a "weekly columnist (well, Contributing Opinion Writer) for the New York Times," the weekend passed mercifully free of new Lindy West writings and now I'm not sure what's going on with her status there. I would apologize for the confusion but I don't think I caused it.

David

the weekend passed mercifully free of new Lindy West writings

The suspense is unbearable.

Joan

"According to journalist, activist and feminist Laurie Penny, it's toxic masculinity that's killing the world."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b08x4rdz

David

“According to journalist, activist and feminist Laurie Penny, it’s toxic masculinity that’s killing the world.”

It’s always a pleasure to hear Laurie telling us, repeatedly, just how “radical,” “challenging” and “threatening” she is. As one does.

Pogonip

Laurie's working hard to make you guys behave.

Jonathan

From the BBC link about our Laurie:

There's a new collection of her writing out now called 'Bitch Doctrine: Essays for Dissenting Adults'. She joins Jane to discuss.

What's best for skin? Cleanse, tone and moisturise? Or cleanse, serum and moisturise? Facialist, Abigail James, has some suggestions.

" How to be a clueless, leftist bitch but still have great looking skin."

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Regarding Harris:

[R]ecent surveys find that 58–66 per cent of social science professors in the United States identify as liberals, while only 5–8 per cent identify as conservatives...

Very few social scientists are communists, I imagine.

With all due respect, I believe we have found the missing 26-37% from the "[R]ecent surveys".

Yet, as non-leftists and increasingly also moderate leftists are being excluded from the social sciences, there appear to be less and less people willing to do so. The consequences could be grave.

Not really, the proper response to all social "science" and the practitioners of those dismal arts is just to point, laugh, and ignore.

David

Laurie’s working hard to make you guys behave.

What’s remarkable is that in 10 years or so, and despite a free year of study at Harvard, she hasn’t gotten any better at it. It’s still a series of bald pronouncements and almost random incantations – “toxic masculinity” and “rape culture” being but two of them. There’s always the pretence of immense dangerousness and outsider status, despite all evidence to the contrary. And every time, there’s an air of crisis, of some vast and unprecedented social transformation, usually based on something that her friends said or tweeted. As if her own, rather uniform social circle were the sum total of all possibility. And note just how rarely she’s pressed on any of this, or asked to substantiate anything she says.

Y. Knott

Having read Franklin Einspruch's article, I agree with it entirely - but he misses an essential point of the SJW; they don't want a productive discourse. THEY are RIGHT and WE are WRONG { - just ask them - } and their sole desire is to Trigglypuff that into your face until you shut up and leave them in unchallenged possession of the podium.

"And I don't want a debate. I want to talk about my pain." - Oh and, they want a law passed that we MUST listen.

Eagle

a group of protesters applaud a speech comprised almost entirely of Adolf Hitler quotes given by Shad Daley

Oh I do hope this becomes a thing.

The Phantom

That Uri Harris piece is -exactly- what I wanted to explain the Hugo Awards hard turn to the Left. It's genius.

Back in the mists of time, when dinosaurs ruled the Earth and TV was black and white, I took my degree in Anthropology. At that time, the late 1970's, I could see that things were not progressing logically. Nobody in Anthropology was interested in measuring anything. It was all Marxism, and Post Modernism was begining to rise as an issue. The big uproar that made my decision was E.O. Wilson's landmark book, "Sociobiology."

Quite apart from the book, the -reception- to it was unprecedented. People didn't argue about the contents of the book. There was plenty to argue about, and I published a paper about it, but the books opponents didn't do that. They attacked Dr. Wilson directly. They went after him in public. They disrupted his lectures, they threw stuff at him, they attacked him -personally- in books and magazines.

My initial instinct was confirmed by the Suzuki/Rushton "debate" where blowhard Dr. David Suzuki publicly vilified Dr. Philippe Rushton for having the gall to write "The Bell Curve." Again, there's plenty to argue against in The Bell Curve, Rushton's theory has holes you can drive a bus through. But that's not what his detractors did. They essentially forbade discussion of the subject.

Fast forward to today, working at a university is getting to be a tightrope walk while balancing teacups, across a flaming pit. One wrong move and your career is kaput. People must be silently freaking out in schools across the nation.

I made the right call becoming a house painter instead of an Anthropology professor. The money was about the same (oh yes, it was!) and I still have all my marbles.

This "purity spiral" exactly describes what's been going on in my favorite genre, science fiction. Publishers tend to chase awards, and awards are increasingly decided by Leftists. Hard Leftists, who think Stalin was on the right track but didn't go far enough. This has gone on to the point where any sort of non-Leftist themes are simply not being published by Big 5 houses.

The thing Harris describes is the mechanism that creates our present environment. Very satisfying ideas.

Jonathan

Just wanted to try this out.

Geezer

Philippe Rushton did not write The Bell Curve.

dcardno

Phantom - Rushton wrote "Race, Evolution, and Behavior;" Herrnstein and Murray wrote "The Bell Curve." They came out about the same time in the mid-90s, so it's easy to misremember. I do recall accounts of the 'debate' between Rushton the fruit-fly guy, and it did boil down to 'you're not allowed to ask that question.'

David

Just wanted to try this out.

For reasons that escape me, the spam filter snagged it.

Bad spam filter.

[ Beats spam filter with rolled-up newspaper. ]

Alice

a group of protesters applaud a speech comprised almost entirely of Adolf Hitler quotes

Woke.

Pogonip

Hi Phantom, you aren't by any chance referring to the Hugo awards, are you? Of which I had never heard until science fiction writers and fans began battling over them, so much so that some of the writers began blogging about it, which is how I found out about it.

David

Woke.

Heh.

Jonathan

For reasons that escape me, the spam filter snagged it.

Thanks David, you really should upgrade to a steam-powered filter.

Spiny Norman

why do so many Americans pronounce Adolf as A-rhymes-with-day-dolf? I've always found it a bit odd.

Probably from wartime propaganda, especially things like Warner Bros cartoons, where it was pronounced that way, presumably as a form of mockery, and it stuck.

David

why do so many Americans pronounce Adolf as A-rhymes-with-day-dolf?

Don’t get me started on niche or aluminium.

Spiny Norman

and it stuck

Oddly enough, I find I always pronounce Hitler's name as "AY-dolf", but others with that name as "AH-dolf", like one of Hitler's Luftwaffe generals, Adolf Galland - who I found to be a very charming fellow, btw.

(sorry for the shameless name-dropping)

Pogonip

Woke up this morning
Felt around for my shoes
Woke up this morning
Felt around for my shoes
I feel so bad
Got them hetetopatriarchal blues

Geezer

Don’t get me started on niche or aluminium.

Here's what the folks at Merriam-Webster have to say:

How do you pronounce niche? Is it \NEESH\ or \NICH\?

There is a debate about how you are supposed to pronounce niche. There are two common pronunciation variants, both of which are currently considered correct: \NEESH\ (rhymes with sheesh) and \NICH\ (rhymes with pitch). \NICH\ is the more common one and the older of the two pronunciations. It is the only pronunciation given for the word in all English dictionaries until the 20th century, when \NEESH\ was first listed as a pronunciation variant in Daniel Jones's English Pronouncing Dictionary (1917). \NEESH\ wasn’t listed as a pronunciation in our dictionaries until our 1961 Webster’s Third New International Dictionary, Unabridged, and it wasn’t entered into our smaller Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary until 1993. Even then, it was marked in the Collegiate as a pronunciation that was in educated use but not considered acceptable until 2003.

All this is to say that the historical pronunciation has been \NICH\, and that \NEESH\ is a relative newcomer that came about likely under influence from French pronunciation conventions. At this point in time in the U.S., \NICH\ is still the more common pronunciation, but \NEESH\ is gaining ground. Our evidence suggests that in British English, \NEESH\ is now the more common pronunciation.

David

Here’s what the folks at Merriam-Webster have to say

I’m sensing tension in the room. It could kick off at any moment.

[ Reaches under bar, fingers revolver. ]

Geezer

[ Reaches under bar, fingers revolver. ]

Let's call the whole thing off.

Spiny Norman

:: clears throat ::

singing

You say eether and I say eyether,
You say neether and I say nyther;
Eether, eyether, neether, nyther,
Let's call the whole thing off!
You like potato and I like potahto,
You like tomato and I like tomahto;
Potato, potahto, tomato, tomahto!
Let's call the whole thing off!

:: ducks ::

David

[ Mutters under breath. ]

Goddamn heathens from the colonies, coming over here with their savage ways and their total bollocksing of the Queen’s tongue.

[ Pours large one to steady nerves. ]

Geezer

[ Pours large one to steady nerves. ]

I'll drink to that.

Nikw211

... there were almost as many people who chose the furthest possible point to the left as there were who chose all the conservative points, the centre-point and the most moderate left-of-centre point combined

Ahem:

    Freshman enrolment ... has fallen by more than 35 percent in the two years since [the campus protests].

    Before the protests, the university ... was experiencing steady growth and building new dormitories [but now] the university is temporarily closing seven dormitories and cutting more than 400 positions.

    Students of all races have shunned [the university], the drop in freshman enrollment last fall was strikingly higher among blacks, at 42 percent, than among whites, at 21 percent.

    By sheer numbers, the drop in white students has caused the greatest damage, since they make up a majority of those on campus.

    Tyler Morris, a white student from St. Louis, said he was afraid of being stereotyped as a bigot

Somewhat apposite.

Nikw211

They do say fools rush in ...

David

They do say fools rush in ...

Heh.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon
\NEESH\ is a relative newcomer that came about likely under influence from French pronunciation conventions. At this point in time in the U.S., \NICH\ is still the more common pronunciation, but \NEESH\ is gaining ground. Our evidence suggests that in British English, \NEESH\ is now the more common pronunciation.

Once again, the perfidious French. If that isn't a good enough argument for Brexit, nothing is.

Richard Cranium

Before the 1990s, academic psychology only LEANED left. Liberals and Democrats outnumbered Conservatives and Republican by 4 to 1 or less.

Interesting definition of "leaned". In most other places, a 4 to 1 superiority is considered decisive.

Pogonip

I want to say this is a fine, fun site and I'm delighted I found it.

(That ought to keep David from yammering on about that twenty bucks I owe him.)

Hal

[ Reaches under bar, fingers revolver. ]

Um. revolver, or revolver?

Hal

(That ought to keep David from yammering on about that twenty bucks I owe him.)

No Refunds, Credit Note Only

Pogonip

I have a no-refund policy too; that's why I haven't refunded David that $20! 😄

WTP

Oh yeah? Well it's JAG-wahr, not JAG-you-wahr.

[ exits, stage left ]

Spiny Norman

Oh dear, now you've done it...

[ downs his Boddington's, tips the publican, slides out the door ]

David
To be fair to the left, they invest a lot of time in undermining language, to spectacular effect. As strange as it might seem to younger readers, not so long ago the word “penis” was understood to refer to the male sex organ. Now The Vagina Monologues gets cancelled because of its cis-supremacist implication that women with penises aren’t the real deal. In such a world, any word can become entirely unmoored, so that it seems perfectly natural for a prominent media figure to be arguing that the great symphonic composers owe everything to a culture that has not produced a single symphony. And nobody laughs.

Mark Steyn.

David

And I do like the notion of a “social justice warrior locust storm.”

David

This just in: Apparently, “biological sex” isn’t “inherent in nature.”

Tom
Not really, the proper response to all social "science" and the practitioners of those dismal arts is just to point, laugh, and ignore.

Unfortunately Farnsworth it seems as though social "science" practitioners have the ear of government everywhere and are trying, and occasionally succeeding, in making their unfounded beliefs into law. To paraphrase Trotsky, you may not be interested in the SJW\government complex but the SJW\government complex is interested in you.

Burnsie

This just in: Apparently, “biological sex” isn’t “inherent in nature.”

I clicked and it was like stepping into a right hook of ignorance.

How on earth can the trans and feminist movements stay aloft when they're fueled by this level of sheer stupidity?

David

I clicked and it was like stepping into a right hook of ignorance.

You’d think that being trans would be a big enough hill to climb, a big enough challenge to one’s sanity, without compounding the situation with dogmatic unrealism.

MC

You’d think that being trans would be a big enough hill to climb, a big enough challenge to one’s sanity, without compounding the situation with dogmatic unrealism.

Isn't being trans demonstrating significant dogmatic unrealism?

Turk Turkleton

Hey, whoa, what's all this scurrilous slander about bollocks and the Queen's tongue?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...a right hook of ignorance...

Indeed.

Riley J. Dennis‏Verified account

the majority of people have black, brown, or blond hair. imagine if we said those were the ONLY hair colors & everything else is an outlier.

Redheads are <2% of the total population, or somewhere past 2σ, so yes, anything but black, blond, or brown is by definition an outlier. It is hard to take someone seriously when he can't get the fundamentals right. Regardless, this lays the whole fallacy out:

It is why you're taking hormones to transition to female presenting.

Right - there are allegedly an infinite number of genders, women can have johnsons (or the obverse), but the ultimate goal is to become one of the two real sexes, just not the factory equipped one. It remains a mystery to me how these people can walk around thinking all these contradictions make sense.

jabrwok

It remains a mystery to me how these people can walk around thinking all these contradictions make sense.

Only sanity requires consistency.

Pogonip

"Riley J. Dennis" should have just bowed to reality; he'll never make a convincing female.

Also, I identify as a 6-foot, hundred-pound, 22-year-old supermodel.

Wordness to the turdness

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/11/opinion/how-we-are-ruining-america.html?rref=collection%2Fcolumn%2Fdavid-brooks&action=click&contentCollection=opinion&region=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=collection

Darleen

This scribbling decrying Christofacists and home-schooling is bad enough I would suspect parody ... then we get to about the author

Kieryn Darkwater is a blue haired fairy boi you can find making art and being an activist. They spend their time advocating for housing with East Bay Forward and protecting homeschool students as the Tech Director of the Coalition for Responsible Home Education. When they’re not writing, organizing, or otherwise doing activisms, you can find them drawing comics, talking about what HRT is like, learning any new art skill, or playing video games.
Accompanying picture about what you'd expect. o_O

Surreptitious Evil

I need to remember to cast my Hugo votes. Laurie Penny is up for one.

Randy

Here’s what the folks at Merriam-Webster have to say

I’m sensing tension in the room. It could kick off at any moment.

[ Reaches under bar, fingers revolver. ]

Way too subtle. Need shotgun.

QuintAmpersandJessel

So one of the finalists for Ru-Paul's Drag Race is a fellow transitioning to be a woman...so why can't a biological woman enter the Drag Race?

Spiny Norman

Wordness to the turdness

What's Miss Brooksie, the NYT's token "conservative", sniveling about now?

Darleen

What's Miss Brooksie, the NYT's token "conservative", sniveling about now?

Our Miss Brooks pity-lunched with a 'friend' who only had a high school diploma and was frightened by the sandwich menu in a gourmet shoppe...

Recently I took a friend with only a high school degree to lunch. Insensitively, I led her into a gourmet sandwich shop. Suddenly I saw her face freeze up as she was confronted with sandwiches named “Padrino” and “Pomodoro” and ingredients like soppressata, capicollo and a striata baguette. I quickly asked her if she wanted to go somewhere else and she anxiously nodded yes and we ate Mexican.

How white of him.

Wordness to the turdness

As mockable as the sandwich shop incident is, I actually think Brooks has a point. Upper class cultural signifiers are used as a barrier, and perhaps one that offers plausible deniability to the those policing it.

David

As mockable as the sandwich shop incident is, I actually think Brooks has a point.

Rod Dreher has some thoughts on that here.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...I actually think Brooks has a point.

Brooks lives in DC, so perhaps to that lot of self-isolated nitwits it has been culturally appropriated and turned into "gourmet" sandwiches because for them it is exotic, but go to Bensonhurst in Brooklyn and you'll trip over pork stores and delis selling the stuff. If you grew up anywhere in any east coast city except near Central Park, it is basic working class food - it goes in subs (grinders, hoagies, or pick your favorite regional name), pizzas, or if you are in New Orleans, muffulettas.

For that matter, here in South Flyoverlandia, where Brooks* would never deign tread, in a town with the same population as about four square blocks of Manhattan, I can get the fixings at the local grocery, and I also know that in the DC area one can get then at local groceries, so unless this "friend" just dropped in from a fishing village in the Northwest Territories, his story is utter bollocks.

If the "friend" is real, I would bet real money the reason she bolted is that she didn't want to be in a place filled with as many pretentious snots as Brooks, even though the only other people who "only" had high school diplomas were the guys making the damn sandwiches.

(* Brooks only has a Bachelor of Arts degree, which might explain his delusions of adequacy and sucking up to the cool kids in DC)

WTP

If the "friend" is real, I would bet real money the reason she bolted is that she didn't want to be in a place filled with as many pretentious snots as Brooks

Yep, especially the real part. Odd to me that this has kicked up as much dust as it has but then again, no surprise. It's the class thing that their consciousness centers around. What he seems to want to "woke" his readers about is how such people of such high airs needs to be awares that people with only a high school degree (and who says "high school degree"?) are not worldly like himself and his readers. Though I don't believe he states this explicitly, what I think he's trying to get across is the idea that all or most such people are that way and that care should be taken to avoid putting such people in such situations. Based solely on their class/station in life.

Personally, I have never been to a formal black tie dinner. Were I to be invited and attend one, I'm sure I would be uncomfortable. Especially at first. What would be far more insulting to me, would not be the supposed concern of "upper class cultural signifiers" that I was visibly uncomfortable, but that such discomfort was beyond my simpleton capacity to adapt and learn from. That would be the true insult. And that is what I perceive in our Miss Brooks' little dissertation. Which again smells to me like something that only happened in xer head.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

What he seems to want to "woke" his readers about is how such people of such high airs needs to be awares that people with only a high school degree (and who says "high school degree"?) are not worldly like himself and his readers.

Exactly, that and how the benighted need to be guided and minded by their self-perceived betters.

...what I think he's trying to get across is the idea that all or most such people are that way and that care should be taken to avoid putting such people in such situations.

You give him too much credit, this is the guy who thought Obama was the greatest thing since canned beer because of the crease in his pants, he is just a snob, but with no particular reason to be one, other than the desire to be perceived as an "elite".

Meanwhile, here in South Flyoverlandia...

David

with ingredients like Velveeta and Miracle Whip. While she was frozen in mesmerized horror, I stole $80 from her purse.

Heh.

Wait. I don’t know what Velveeta is. Should I feel class anxiety?

WTP

I don’t know what Velveeta is

It's kinda like Cheez Whiz. That help ya any?

David

It’s kinda like Cheez Whiz.

You’re making no sense.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Should I feel class anxiety?

One will always feel class anxiety, tovarich, until the proletariat realize their true place under their Glorious Leaders.

Velveeta, though, may not have made it across the pond outside of a PX/BX/NEX, so you get a pass for this one. It is a cheese like product that has as its most redeeming feature the fact that as it melts it doesn't turn into lumps and oils, so it is a good base for sauces for things like mac and cheese, and cheese dips. It is also cheap and comes in 2lb blocks, so even college students working on gender studies degrees can afford it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You’re making no sense.

Velveeta brick, has to be melted:

Cheez Whiz, basically spreadable Velveeta, but with extra flavor from mustard and Worcestershire sauce built in:

David

Now you’re just screaming.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Now you’re just screaming.

Think of it as the American equivalent of Marmite...

Meanwhile, back to Our Miss Brooks, it seems our new friend Miss Anderson finds herself in a similar pickle with her father:

(1) My dad is a smart man. He has been a teacher his entire life. He’s quick and funny and a good guy. He’s not purposefully ignorant.

(2) But the sources he chooses to listen to create a world in which he doesn’t feel he can trust his own daughter on facts.

(3) I’m a writer. I have three higher ed degrees. I spend my life crafting arguments and explaining things.

We'll skip over the part about "crafting arguments" when GIGO is in play, but, by golly, she has three degrees and is a writer, so how dare a guy with maybe only one think differently and reject her silliness. Poor old sod probably thinks there are only two sexes.

I don’t know how to combat this.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I don’t know how to combat this.

Oops, that was a Miss Anderson quote...

David

I don’t know how to combat this.

At that level, vanity is impervious.

WTP

I don’t know how to combat this.

As standard subjective conversation/debate it is virtually impossible. However, and not sure how to do it in the specific context you describe, but I try to pull the conversation into a domain that has a discrete, objective answer. Possibly an event to occur in the near future or an objective fact, something numerical, that can be referenced from an objective, reliable source (heh...harder and harder to find those). Then propose a wager. What I find is that most such people retreat either to the whimpy "I don't gamble" BS or they start equivocating on their original statements. Writers, philosophers, preachers/priests, and other blue noses are inclined to wilt. Or they stop talking to you entirely. Either way, it's win-win.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

I don’t know how to combat this.

Point of clarification, that was Miss Anderson claiming she couldn't "combat" the fact that her father isn't buying her social science genuine frontier gibberish, because he is evidently not swayed by the might and majesty of her three degrees in Useless Studies and online rantings.

WTP

Ah....missed the correction. My bad. Fortunately I have some left over Cheez Whiz with which to salve my self-inflictions. I try to keep some handy in case they choose to do an ad hoc Super Bowl or sumpin.

Geezer

Velveeta is a "processed cheese product." Just think of all the marvelous ways they're using plastics nowadays.

Acksiom

It makes a genderfluid otherkin non-objectifyingly self-esteeemed to be a soldier!

Pogonip

There's no VELVEETA over there?!?!! How do you poor souls make cheese dip?

Ultra-simple cheese dip: 1 2-lb block of Velveeta, I can Ro-Tel tomatoes, 2 cans Hormel Turkey Chili. Use a crockpot liner because Velveeta turns to plastic when it cools.

Cheez Whiz makes great (if sloppy) cheeseburgers.

I KNEW professional Islamic apologist Karen Armstrong was a liar! In her "memoir," "Through The Narrow Gate," her family goes to visit her at the convent on which she has inflicted herself, and they have what sounds like Velveeta but she calls Cheez Whiz; apparently she got the two products mixed up. And now we learn you don't even have Velveeta in England!

Pogonip

Well, there IS such a thing as Fox Geezer Syndrome--my mom had them on 12 hours a day until she became too senile to follow them--but "Fox Geezer Syndrome" does not equal "Miss(?) Anderson is right about everything."

How's the summer weather in merry old England? Here in the deplorable flyover US A, it's hot and humid, around 90 degrees F.

Hal

It makes a genderfluid otherkin non-objectifyingly self-esteeemed to be a soldier!

Sing Along!

Hal

Echoing from commentary from a bit back . . .

---And the original comments . . .

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