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August 06, 2017

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sH2

They have convinced themselves that their Pleasurable Cruelty to people is justified because they act to vindicate the Righteousness of Strange Gods.

That.

David

That.

It does, I think, capture the dynamic.

Even if we assume that the purported conversation actually happened, and with Ms Dunham’s track record that seems not altogether wise, the implied moral landscape is still a little odd. In Lena’s world, eavesdropping is righteous, along with gratuitously endangering the livelihoods of people she doesn’t know, in order to flatter herself, publicly, as heroic and crusading. And the only position on transgenderism that anyone is permitted to take, even in private conversations, is wholehearted endorsement. It is, and must always be, stunning and brave.

sk60

'Texas man shoots armadillo, bullet ricochets back into his face'.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/texas-man-shoots-armadillo-bullet-ricochets-back-into-his-face-1.3176390

Joan

Dunham is now babbling “I live for my truth,” in response to being described, yet again, as a fabulist.

How many times does she have to be caught lying before she feels shame?

David

How many times does she have to be caught lying before she feels shame?

I’m not convinced Ms Dunham’s mind works that way.

See also Laurie Penny.

Atempdog

Well, of course the rot is attacking STEM; the rot must propagate itself, regardless of consequences. Everything must be totalized and those nerds were having too much fun.

The fundamental course in engineering education is Statics, from which we get the free body diagram. There is no history in statics; it's all technique and visualization. The only mention of particular people in statics was then name of the various truss types. There is one right answer, always. I am unable to figure out where “de-centering Western civilization,” and “uncovering contributions of women and other underrepresented groups” fit in an education almost entirely concerned with techniques, principles, and standards. Such things aren't just a dilution of an engineering education, they are utterly alien and irrelevant intrusion.

And I know it's old news, but is there anyone more sexist then someone who says that teachers “contribute to the masculinization of the domain that unfairly holds students to men’s higher levels of achievement and participation as a measure of success”?

Atempdog

Texas man shoots armadillo, bullet ricochets back into his face.

Cue Robert Earl Keen "The Armadillo Jackal". I do wonder if the bullet actually bounced off the armadillo or if he missed and it bounced of a rock.

Atempdog

Dunham is now babbling “I live for my truth,” in response to being described, yet again, as a fabulist.

Dunham imagines herself the hero of her story; someone should explain the term "unreliable narrator" to her.

David

Dunham imagines herself the hero of her story;

And note the implication that the same thing should be done to anyone who can be overheard saying something deemed politically contentious or insufficiently flattering to a Designated Victim Group. In the name of compassion, of being woke, you should harass strangers and with self-satisfaction try to put their livelihoods in jeopardy.

David
Nazi youth then showed up and disrupted Lessing’s classes. Lessing was forced to give up his academic chair the following year. In his account of what happened, Lessing later wrote that he could do nothing to prevent being “shouted down, threatened and denigrated” by student activists. He was helpless, he said, “against the murderous bellowing of youngsters who accept no individual responsibilities but pose as spokesmen for a group or an impersonal ideal, always talking in the royal ‘we’ while hurling personal insults… and claiming that everything is happening in the name of what’s true, good and beautiful.” This was fascism, German style, in the 1920s.

Dinesh D’Souza notes some similarities.

R. Sherman

My first thought when reading the latest chapter in the Dunham Chronicles, was that her publicist suggested she do something to get back into the public eye.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...Antifa affiliate Redneck Revolt...

Living, as I do, in genuine redneck territory, the only thing "redneck" about that lot is the name, otherwise they are as "redneck" as Laurie Penny, and if they showed up in real redneck territory, they only be laughed at. Also, despite all their claims to be latter day Ches, in a real shoot out, the only safe place would be the target.

'Texas man shoots armadillo, bullet ricochets back into his face'.

From the comments:

Why would he shoot an armadillo? They are no threat to anyone. I've never even heard of them getting a disease that can be transmitted to humans, such as rabies. Serves the guy right to try to shoot an armoured creature with a revolver not using armour-piercing bullets.

Disease ? If you like your leprosy, you can keep your leprosy. Also the bastiges burrow under houses and can cause cause cracks in the foundation, break pipes, and cause other minor havoc. As far as shooting them goes, speaking from personal experience, one can take them out with a pellet rifle, so I am guessing the guy with the .38 "hit by a ricochet" was shooting at something else, or missed and hit something else.

R. Sherman

My elder son is a math major at a well-respected STEM university. The director of undergraduate studies in his department is a woman who's taught university level math for 30 plus years. According to my son, she is simultaneously the toughest yet most beloved professor in the department, a department in which 70% of the students are male.

billdehaan

And so mathematics must be corrected with “intersectionality theory” and lots of fretting about “whiteness” and “identity.”

Although I may be mistaken about the attribution, I believe it was Iowahawk who recommended the best way to turn the tables was to have engineers invade an SJW conference and force the attendees to solve differential equations.

billdehaan

According to my son, she is simultaneously the toughest yet most beloved professor in the department, a department in which 70% of the students are male.

That is undoubtedly because she uses that unfair advantage of... merit. Which SJW types phrase as "privilege".

Generally, math/engineer/STEM students tend to respect competence over politics, especially shrill politics.

Since the SJW crowd is heavy with credentials but light on competence, this is deemed "unfair", in much the same way that Asian parents are finding that their children are systematically being blocked from various universities in favour of less-talented minorities. This is because their offspring have the "unfair" advantage of having stable family lives with two parents present, who teach them values like doing their homework, and so they get better grades. This is "white privilege", because whiteness isn't just for Caucasians anymore.

Atempdog

This is "white privilege", because whiteness isn't just for Caucasians anymore.

Once you're woke enough to see "whiteness" as a problem that needs to be corrected, you'll see whiteness everywhere and in everyone.

David
Motherboard spoke to one current [Google] employee who agrees with the document’s author, who wrote in the manifesto that “Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence.” “The fact that colleagues are calling for him to be fired — on very public forums — proves his point that there is an ideological silo and that dissenting opinions want to be silenced,” the second employee told Motherboard. “Why don’t they debate him on his argument? Because it’s easier to virtue signal by mentioning on a social network how angry and offended you are. Debate and discussion takes time.”

Today’s term is hive mind.

David

Related to the above.

R. Sherman

Related to the above.

I note the reference to "my spreadsheet" for blacklist purposes. Do you maintain such a thing, David? Asking for a friend.

David

More from Laurie World:

Apparently, “whiteness” is a “collective social condition,” and it sucks.

David

Do you maintain such a thing, David? Asking for a friend.

Heh. Given the evident zeal for updating it, triumphantly, it sounds exhausting. In over a decade of doing this, I’ve blocked maybe six or seven people – for habitual, tedious trolling, usually.

Stan

Looks like Lena Dunham and the left want those big evil corporations that they hate so much to have the power to police the thoughts of their employees.

WTP

The real shame is that those big evil corporations that are hated by the likes of LD are scared enough to do the bidding of LD and such.

As much as I may despise leftism, I have more empathy for leftists being and espousing leftism than I have for the hundreds of managers, middle managers, directors, vice presidents, senior vice presidents, CEO, CTO, CFO, board members, etc. that work for American Airlines who lack the cajones to tell LD to GFO.

LD is an idiot. She was raised by idiots. She was steeped in leftist idiocy from an early age. She gets rewarded financially and otherwise for being an idiot. I have very low expectations for such people. What is the excuse for the "leadership" of AA?

Karen M

More from Laurie World

She's not very bright, is she?

David

She’s not very bright, is she?

I think it’s more that her pronouncements aren’t constrained by realism, reciprocity, proportion or logic. Or by whether things actually happened. She also seems to suffer from a particular kind of neediness, one common among her type.

David
In pursuit of a utopian paradise, everything was collectivised. People had their work, homes, land, belongings and livelihoods taken from them. In collective canteens, food, distributed by the spoonful according to merit, became a weapon used to force people to follow the party’s every dictate. As incentives to work were removed, coercion and violence were used instead to compel famished farmers to perform labour on poorly planned irrigation projects while fields were neglected.

Mao, baby.

David

Re the ‘hive mind’ link upthread:

“Everyone is allowed to share their opinion. I just hope he gets fired for it.
RNB

"...to have engineers invade an SJW conference and force the attendees to solve differential equations." I think you would have better luck getting cocker spaniels to solve differential equations. Cockers are quite bright.

R. Sherman

“Everyone is allowed to share their opinion. I just hope he gets fired for it.”

In fairness, Leftists love it when people express their own thoughts. Those gulags aren't going to fill themselves up, you know.

WTP

Mao, baby

And of course, predictibly because it's WaPo published, the apologists come out in the comments. So confident in their understanding. Even, supposedly, someone who claimed to have lived in Communist Poland saying Communism is no different from Capitalism. Definitely different ftom what I have heard from coworkers and such who also lived under communism in Poland...and Hungary, and Viet Nam, and Russia, and China. But I guess I just know weird people.

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

The real shame is that those big evil corporations that are hated by the likes of LD are scared enough to do the bidding of LD and such.

No disrespect, but I think that is overstating it a bit. All AA did was basically pat her on her pointy head and tell her there was no there there.

The why is because any corporation is obligated to look into, however superficially, any complaint as a defense against (no disrespect to Mr. Sherman) the hordes of lawyers looking to pounce on a big wallet, and defense against things like, in this instance, a reinforced platoon of purple haired pierced SJWs showing up at every ticketing gate and disrupting operations.

The particular difficulty with Dunham is, though she appears to have made the whole thing up, that she has an unfortunately large megaphone for her mental purulence.

champ

"She was raised by idiots."

Have you seen her father's "art?"

https://www.google.com/search?q=lena+dunham+father+art&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjGsYPkl8PVAhUW_WMKHV3yBJIQ7AkIeg&biw=1366&bih=638

WTP

Have you seen her father's "art?"

Yes, in that case I had done my research. Unfortunately. Thanks to David. No, really.

As for my thoughts on American Airlines, I hadn't followed the specifics of the situation beyond what was initially reported. But at the time the story I had seen was that AA had apologized for their employees' supposed behavior. In fact, IIRC AA was digging in trying to find out who these dastardly women were. If I have it right, they only called off their own dogs because it looked like LD made the whole thing up. Not because it was irrelevant to running an airline. But if I'm wrong on that, please let me know.

champ

Boy, talk about confused...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/britains-youngest-sex-swap-patient-10935892

Daniel Ream

How many times does she have to be caught lying before she feels shame?

I’m not convinced Ms Dunham’s mind works that way.

See also Laurie Penny.

I'll put on my amateur psychiatrist hat.

Dunham was abused as a child. No doubt in my mind.

Penny is just a sheltered slacker. She's a Laci-Green-in-waiting.

David

She’s a Laci-Green-in-waiting.

You’re obviously more optimistic than I’d assumed.

Monty James

"And so mathematics must be corrected with “intersectionality theory” and lots of fretting about “whiteness” and “identity.”

If you want a world lit only by candles and oil lamps, with an average life span of 40 years, this is how you get a world lit only by candles and oil lamps, with an average life span of 40 years.

Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA

Why Professional Cuddling is Booming Under Trump

Darleen

Meanwhile, in Berkeley...

Darleen

Looks like there competition with my previous comment - now Melbourne's militant vegans are adding a mantax to their veggie meals.

WTP

I'm sure the "men" who frequent that cafe will have no problem ponying up the extra 18%. More if it comes with a firm spanking.

Pogonip

Rule 4: Cafe for sale after business mysteriously dropped off.

Hal

Oops.

For several years now, the government in Beijing has expressed growing concern over embarrassing behavior by Chinese tourists traveling abroad and has tried to persuade travelers to respect local laws and customs.
David

Meanwhile, in Berkeley…

The group initially demanded that the Rocchinos turn their shop into a “vegan butcher” that did not sell meat in exchange for ending the protests.

Is a sack beating entirely out of the question?

Rafi

Apparently, “whiteness” is a “collective social condition,” and it sucks.

So Laurie's a racist now. The SJW/Stormfront convention should be a laugh.

David

So Laurie’s a racist now.

Well, again, I suspect it’s more that she’s neurotically leftist, i.e., pretentious and insecure, and willing to say whatever she imagines will affirm that posture, however insulting, incoherent or absurd it may be, and regardless of whether it’s consistent with reality, or even consistent with last week’s attitudes and slogans. It’s currently fashionable to see “whiteness” and “all white people” as a dysfunction, inherently oppressive, something to be corrected. And so Laurie, being radical and empowered, joins in. Being so terribly liberated, she must continually position herself within the tribe.

I imagine it’s a bit like chronic status anxiety.

Connor

“Everyone is allowed to share their opinion. I just hope he gets fired for it.”

The mob mentality about this on Twitter is fucking depressing.

Greg Allan

"Apparently, it’s “unfair” to hold all students to the same standards of proficiency, as this oppresses women. Or at least it oppresses feminists. And so mathematics must be corrected with “intersectionality theory” and lots of fretting about “whiteness” and “identity.” And very much related, this. Because the best way to teach engineering is to waste class time with lots of “social justice” hokum."

Recently in Aus...

http://www.smh.com.au/national/education/less-maths-makes-hsc-physics-dumb-20140103-309gh.html

Changes to course content were NOT made to make the subject more accessible for males.

David

The mob mentality about this on Twitter is fucking depressing.

As a snapshot of the human condition, or at least a snapshot of our expensively educated betters, it’s not exactly life-affirming.

To recap. A Google software developer with a PhD in biology writes a polite, researched and politically centrist memo suggesting there’s a leftist groupthink problem in the company, and that men and women on average have differing preferences and abilities, albeit with a large overlap, and that perhaps people should be treated as individuals rather than as mascots of allegedly oppressed identity groups.

This is immediately met with ludicrous and wilful mischaracterisations by “social justice” Twitter and the ‘progressive’ media, including deliberately deleting the memo’s links to supporting data, a general refusal to engage honestly with the author’s points, or in some cases even to read them, baseless accusations of every ‘ism’ going, personal doxxing, boasts of blacklisting, and demands that the author of the memo be fired for his heresy. On grounds that his arguments are “violently offensive” and in need of being “silenced.” He was, you see, “committing violence” with his statistics.

All of which rather proves the point about leftist groupthink and its reliance on hysteria and intimidation.

If anyone still imagines that the left’s choke-hold on academia isn’t a significant problem, an ongoing cultural rot, incidents like this suggest… otherwise.

David

Incidentally, Jordan Peterson will be interviewing the author of the so-called “sexist MRA screed” and alleged “vitriol” later this week.

fnord

In the same way a helicopter is described as 'a collection if parts flying in close formation' the misses Dunham, Penny and their ilk ( and never was the term ilk more appropriate) an be considered as a cluster of severe Personality Disorders traveling in a pack.

Burnsie

Actually, that "depressing" response to the Google affair is quite understandable, as 25% of the Google workforce (if not more) realize their jobs would be jeopardized if merit alone became the sole factor for their continued employment. This is the sound of deadwood squawking.

Well, make that "LGBT/feminist/BLM/Islamic deadwood" squawking. Precision counts.

Tim Newman

I'm not sure Laurie Penny believes half this crap she comes out with. She's a run-of-the-mill upper-middle-class woman who's stumbled on a formula for making some cash, i.e. by spouting unsupportable nonsense to a band of sycophantic followers while pretending to be a rebel. If she'd given the polyamory thing a miss - which marks her out as a weirdo that few men would want to get involved with - she'd be like, as Daniel Ream says upthread - Lacie Green, who was coming out with boilerplate feminist shite right up until she got laid properly by some shitlord on the alt-right.

I was hardly surprised she got on well with Milo's supporters: I suspect deep down she's a lot more like them culturally and socially than her followers.

Min

A Google software developer with a PhD in biology writes a polite, researched and politically centrist memo suggesting... that men and women on average have differing preferences and abilities, albeit with a large overlap,

Man states obvious. SJWs lose their minds.

sH2

Sun rises in East. SJWs lose their minds.

David

I’m not sure Laurie Penny believes half this crap she comes out with.

She does strike me as someone who’s fundamentally insincere. She opens her mouth and you can practically smell the bad faith. All that tedious signalling and in-group positioning. Though given how ignorant and obnoxious so much of what says is, does her insincerity count as a small blessing?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Speaking of the reborn Elfwick:

Everyday Lib Fem‏ @EverydayLibFem

If You're Not Shaming Your Friends For Their Problematic Opinions, You're Doing Feminism All Wrong

Steve B

I seem to recall a bit of a kerfuffle a few years ago when that iteration of the social justice set was all a-fluff that some speak-and-play Barbie had the chutzpah to say, "Math is hard!"

I guess she should have said, Boys' math is hard! We need a special version just for girls."

Or something.

Alex deWinter

An actual empowered female -- "he shouldnta brought his ass into my house."

Spiny Norman

Speaking of the reborn Elfwick

I have to wonder, how long it will be before the Twitter Stasi discover he's re-spawned?

R. Sherman

More Lena Dunham:

One of the hallmarks of totalitarianism is that the officially approved truth was capricious and unpredictable, and that was on purpose. They wanted the approved ideology to change so quickly that there was no way to comply with it by sincere personal conviction. The only way to comply with it was out of a habit of obedience.

Via Glenn Reynolds.

David

Another one from the ongoing #GoogleManifesto saga:

Why, it’s almost as if there’s a pattern. Incidentally, Etiene Dalcol, the woman instantly blocking anyone who asks polite questions, is a feminist software developer. And yes, she has blue hair.

Microbillionaire

The #GoogleManifesto fracas is one of those things that would sounded like an absurd extrapolation a few years back: moderate skeptic politely questions the diversity party line while conceding half the game in the first sentence, totalitarian progressives have meltdowns about the FULMINATING ANTI-DIVERSITY SCREED and demand that the author be fired, nay, double fired, practically retroactively fired and then firing everyone who could have fired the author but didn't. They must have been insufficiently zealous in the purging, you see. All while telling big fat lies about the content.

Brianna Wu

@Spacekatgal

Writing a memo that says, "Women and black people are physiologically unable to be engineers" is an utterly fair thing to get fired over.

David

All while telling big fat lies about the content.

Brianna Wu isn’t an honest woman?

I think I need to sit down.

Microbillionaire

A mostly orthogonal observation about the #GoogleManifesto that I saw on (a sensible part of) Tumblr is that there are some engineers expressing the opinion that they wouldn't want to work at a company which would fire the author of the manifesto, other engineers saying they wouldn't want to work at a company which wouldn't fire the author of the manifesto, and some engineers saying they wouldn't want to work at a company where the culture resulted in the manifesto being written in the first place.

Which suggests that if a company wants to sweep a wide net for engineering talent, their incentive structure is to make everyone shut the fuck up so such matters are never raised.

Hmmm. I wonder where this will lead.

David

Hmmm. I wonder where this will lead.

It’s also interesting how so many of the expensively educated screechers, including some with STEM backgrounds, don’t understand even basic statistical concepts.

dicentra

Which suggests that if a company wants to sweep a wide net for engineering talent, their incentive structure is to make everyone shut the fuck up so such matters are never raised.

This is what happens when your base is in Mountain View, CA: ground zero for leftist authoritarianism.

Which makes it highly amusing that Silicon Valley's Second City (aka Silicon Slopes), is in UTAH, the reddest red state in the union. Mostly people don't talk politics in our Utah office. And yeah, our HQ is in Silicon Valley. Writing under pseudonyms is the better part of valor.

Monty James

"This is the sound of deadwood squawking."

Let the company here assembled be witness, Burnsie is the coiner of the delightful term, "deadwood squawking".

R. Sherman

"[D]eadwood [S]quawking"

Country Western band name sorted.

Spiny Norman

Heh. Or deadwood squeaking, because I'd wager those having snits speak in annoying, high-pitched, children voices, especially the, erm, men...

Matt G

Re: the (soon to be fired) Google chappy who wrote a well-reasoned, perfectly courteous and indeed highly pertinent 'memo' on the sinisterly rigid, monocultural environment now detrimentally pervading his employer:

In an exceedingly rare fit of masochism I had an ill-advised peruse of some of the responses his concerns had elicited across various, purported tech websites and as one might expect in 2017, they were rather sobering overall.

Though few will be in any doubt as to what the majority of these somewhat 'emotional' responses comprised of the following conveniently summarises them:

(1) - 'The heretical author demonstrably hates all women/never met an actual woman in his life.'

(2) - 'He wants Google to be an exclusive haven for white male employees - no girlies or foreign types allowed.'

(3) - 'Is likely a virgin (in a derogatory sense, obviously).'

(4) - 'Deserves to be fired (that demand was particularly popular, unsurprisingly).'

(5) - 'Is beyond doubt a generally a nasty/fascist/Nazi sort of chap by default.'

Only very occasionally did someone bother to contend something he actually said rather than what they'd simply decided he said....

Ah, the 'enlightened' times we live in.

David

‘Deserves to be fired (that demand was particularly popular, unsurprisingly).’

Never underestimate the reservoir of spite in human beings, or the ease with which leftism exploits it.

Daniel Ream

The whole Google Manifesto thing seems slightly...off.

I've interviewed (unsuccessfully) with Google's Mountain View campus, a number of friends and former colleagues work there - I cannot fathom that the author of the manifesto didn't know exactly how it was going to be received.

I find myself wondering if he didn't already have an escape plan set up and this is a masterful troll job designed to get Google to self-incriminate.

David

Lordy. Game of Thrones. That was fun.

Microbillionaire

Daniel, the author may perhaps have had an escape plan, or been a deep cover operative, or one of various other funny imaginings.

But I think the more blunt take is that the author was simply naïve - as techies sometimes are, studying computers not people.
Partly from hearing so many promises about commitment to diversity and open debate and free expression, and taking them at face value.
Partly in misjudging just how far out the party line was being drawn, because if one READS THE GOD-DAMN MANIFESTO, one sees that it's falling over itself to repeat progressive points throughout.
Some excerpts:

I value diversity and inclusion, am not denying that sexism exists, and don’t endorse using stereotypes. When addressing the gap in representation in the population, we need to look at population level differences in distributions. If we can’t have an honest discussion about this, then we can never truly solve the problem.

I’m not saying that all men differ from women in the following ways or that these differences are “just.” I’m simply stating that the distribution of preferences and abilities of men and women differ in part due to biological causes and that these differences may explain why we don’t see equal representation of women in tech and leadership. Many of these differences are small and there’s significant overlap between men and women, so you can’t say anything about an individual given these population level distributions.

Below I’ll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women’s representation in tech

I strongly believe in gender and racial diversity, and I think we should strive for more.

I hope it’s clear that I’m not saying that diversity is bad, that Google or society is 100% fair, that we shouldn’t try to correct for existing biases, or that minorities have the same experience of those in the majority. My larger point is that we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group

This was evidently insufficiently progressive.

Thus we get CNN's take:

Google executives have responded to a 3,300-word manifesto written by one of its male engineers that argues women aren't suited for tech jobs for "biological" reasons.

One is reminded of the old Soviet phenomenon "never be the first to stop applauding".

Ben

The #GoogleManifesto reminds me of Larry Summers, a reliable Lefty who nonetheless was pilloried for daring to suggest that, maybe, possibly, there might be a genetic component contributing to the relative paucity of women in tenured science and engineering positions.

Nope, that was badthink and he needed to be punished for daring to suggest it was anything other than just straight-out discrimination.

David

The #GoogleManifesto reminds me of Larry Summers

We discussed that saga here many moons ago, when this place was still finding its feet. As with Summers, it seems possible that the author of the ‘manifesto’ simply didn’t comprehend the level of vindictiveness and dishonesty his suggestions would attract.

Daniel Ream

But I think the more blunt take is that the author was simply naïve - as techies sometimes are, studying computers not people.

I remain skeptical. The author has already been outed, by the way; I won't repeat the name here, it's easily searchable but he's an SRE and has a PhD in biology (it would appear evolutionary psychology).

I find it beyond incredible that someone with that background working at Mountain View didn't know exactly what they were doing.

Interesting fact: some people at Google took an internal survey (no information about distribution, etc. beyond sample size) but of ~275 people surveyed, somewhere between a third and a half of the people surveyed agree with the document. Over half disagreed that the document was harmful and should not have been shared.

We will see where Dr. Alt-Right Google ends up as a result of this, and that will indicate one way or the other his motives. But right now, I'm beginning to suspect there's a culture war going on inside Google that's going to make Windows Vista look like a minor typo.

WTP

The situation with Larry Summers came up in a conversation I was having with a psychiatrist around that time. I was informed that it was badthink and that I should be ashamed for daring to suggest it was anything other than just straight-out discrimination. This had something to do with the psychiatrist having had two daughters.

R. Sherman

. . .there might be a genetic component contributing to the relative paucity of women in tenured science and engineering positions.

I defy anyone to find a STEM university or program within a university which will not bend over backwards to recruit distaff students. The amount of money available to female applicants is astounding. If a young women demonstrates any aptitude at all and a minimal desire to enter a STEM field, she will be feted like Sheba until she commits to the university or program. Nonetheless, such universities and programs still can't hit more than a 60/40 male to female ratio of students. Whatever the answer is, it is not discrimination.

Daniel Ream

such universities and programs still can't hit more than a 60/40 male to female ratio of students. Whatever the answer is, it is not discrimination.

I know I've made this point before, but after twenty years of such pandering, the ratio of female students in engineering at my alma mater has gone down.

That said, twenty years ago there was a lot of casual crudity and misogyny in that engineering school, and I expect that having to sit through twenty years of pandering hasn't done much to change those attitudes. If anything, it's likely strengthened them.

Ray

Imagine being told you are genetically unsuited to the job you love.

The whole attraction of computers is that it is the computer that decides who can program. You can't suck up to it, you can't threaten it, you can't bribe it. And it's decision is final.

R. Sherman

That said, twenty years ago there was a lot of casual crudity and misogyny in that engineering school, and I expect that having to sit through twenty years of pandering hasn't done much to change those attitudes.

As I mention upthread, my son's favorite and most demanding maths professor is female. The students at his university respect competence. And they're smart enough to avoid the crudity these days. Perhaps it is the respect for competence which is now defined as "misogyny" when criticism of incompetence is directed at the wrong class of people.

Monty James

A useful few comments on the notorious Google Manifesto.

Deborah

And.....he's been fired.

God help us.

Hal

I defy anyone to find a STEM university or program within a university which will not bend over backwards to recruit distaff students.

“Make ourselves attractive to students?” said the Archchancellor. “Mr Stibbons, the whole idea of a university is that it should be hard to get into. Remember Dean Rouster? He used to set traps to stop students attending his lectures! ‘I’ll tap talent from all backgrounds,’ he used to say, ‘but a lad who can’t spot a tripwire is no good to me!’ He reckoned any student who didn’t open a door very carefully and look where he was putting his feet would only be a burden to the profession. You see, trying to be nice to students means you end up with courses like comparative fretwork and graduates who think ‘thank you’ is one word and can look at a sign sayin’ ‘Human Resources Department’ without detecting a whiff of brimstone.”

---Terry Pratchett, A Collegiate Casting-Out Of Devilish Devices

Tim Newman

A polyamorous transmasc queer programmer weighs in on how engineers should be trained.

Spiny Norman

Rehabilitation, natch. Like in a special camp?

Scratch a "Progressive" and a Fascist bleeds.

David

And.....he’s been fired.

Well, at least the brazen ubiquity of the misrepresentation may have opened a few eyes.

It’s possible, if baffling, that some people can be surrounded by colleagues mouthing ‘progressive’ pieties and being ostentatiously right-on, and come to assume that the guff about “diversity” and “dialogue” and “inclusion” is sincere. As opposed to, say, camouflage. Though when people loudly and competitively signal their leftist pieties, I’ve found it best to assume that something quite unpleasant may be rumbling underneath. There very often is.

David

And.....he’s been fired.

This one should probably be continued over here.

Jonathan

Microbillionaire:

Brianna Wu
@Spacekatgal

Writing a memo that says, "Women and black people are physiologically unable to be engineers" is an utterly fair thing to get fired over.

Here's another 'hatefact' for John Flynt ('Brianna Wu') " Men are physiologically unable to become women".

Microbillionaire
Here is how it's going to be forever.

time = t: "Things are strange and bad."
time = t + 1: "Hold my beer."

Originally posted the 27th of July, since then we had Scaramucci's rollercoaster ride to firing, Laura Loomer's Tire, Lena Dunham's Latest Codswallop, and the Google Diversity Manifesto, and I think there was some kind of Donald Trump scandal before that but it really just gets lost in the noise, doesn't it?

Things get stranger, faster, as we approach some kind of singularity of beer-holding.

dajt

Australia's LBQT... twits thank the rest of us for our support for same sex marriage http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-and-views/social/mia-freedman-panned-over-tonedeaf-attempt-to-support-marriage-equality-20170809-gxsapm.html

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