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May 29, 2018

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Sam

Glamour magazine names Linda Sarsour to its Women of the Year list. Esquire.com runs a column claiming that “powerful white men, however outfacing liberal or progressive they may appear, are the architects of structural racism and white supremacy in America.”

And Vogue and Elle saying this is cool.

David

And Vogue and Elle saying this is cool.

Well, quite. You’d think that the gleeful and widespread public sexualisation of an 8-year-old child might register as a step too far, a cause for pause; but apparently not. Those unimpressed by the spectacle are denounced as haters. As insufficiently woke.

R. Sherman

Alas, I'm off to the airport, so I'll have to come back and 'read the whole thing,' as the cook kids say. Still, the first paragraph reminded me of one of Jeff Goldstein's regular topics. Who controls an author's texts/words? The author? The recipient? To what degree is the author's intent relevant? Jeff was discussing this stuff long before Twitter facilitated the avocationally outraged. Too bad Protein Wisdom has disappeared into the ether.

Joan

activists and journalists (and increasingly, activist-journalists)

"Science writer"

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/298001/

David

“Science writer”

As discussed over the last couple of days, in terms of things that might cause concern or make a person worry about where the culture is headed, the mainstream media’s reactions to Peterson, and those of would-be intellectuals, have been much more disquieting than anything Peterson has said.

Charlie Suet

It's been interesting to see the rise and fall of comment sections on the websites of traditional media publications. In particular, the reaction of journalists to the great unwashed reading their proclamations and failing to fall in line has been pretty telling.

To be sure ((c) Robby Soave), having an unmoderated comment section can be an invitation for racism and casual abuse. Typically, though, the hacks' objection to this is a fig-leaf for not really liking to be criticised at all.

As Wesley Yang suggests, the internet has provided ample opportunity for Joe Public to state without any fear that the Emperor is bollock naked. Combine that with the fact that standards in journalism have if anything got worse and it's not hard to see why so many people distrust the modern media.

It would be wrong to suggest that there was some sort of golden age of journalism where all sides of an argument were carefully considered. But the modern journalist / opinionator frequently appears to be a twenty-something who has never had a proper job, doesn't work with any proper adults who might guide him a bit and thinks that objectivity would place him on the "wrong side of history".

WTP

I have a half-baked theory that much of this nonsense goes back to the quiet marginalization of Kipling and similar, but especially Kipling. Given all the crap lit shoved down my throat in school, when I got around to reading a good bit of Kipling in my early 20’s I was stunned at how much I had missed out on. I’m not much for poetry but perhaps that’s because damn near every poet shoved in my face was of the fru-fru variety. But hey, half-baked.

tolkein

Bought the book - enjoying it.

Had seen the Cathy Newman interview and started watching his online lectures. We started his lecture on Introduction the Idea of God. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-wWBGo6a2w&t=4673s

One hour and 17 minutes in and he's just got to Genesis!

It's crazy that liberals (shame it's now a term of derision, as I had always seen myself as socially and politically liberal) demonise people like Peterson then wonder why people despise the media.

Off topic, have you noticed that liberals love referendums (I know the Latin means it should be referenda, but English usually just sticks an s on to make plurals, not change cases etc - don't quote mouse/mice to prove I'm wrong and I'm happy to be English), as the love fest over the Irish referendum shows- very depressed over the result, but at least the law change has democratic mandate. Strange that the same enthusiastic support of a democratic mandate was missing over California Proposition 8 and Brexit.

Hector Drummond, Vile Novelist

Basically, radical chic is still going strong.

David

One hour and 17 minutes in and he’s just got to Genesis!

Well, as a topic to take your time with and really push the boat out, I suppose that’s as good as any. What with that whole benign-first-cause-and-ultimate-source-of-meaning angle.

David

In particular, the reaction of journalists to the great unwashed reading their proclamations and failing to fall in line has been pretty telling.

It’s perhaps worth bearing in mind that one of Peterson’s most famous exchanges, the one that seemed to resonate with millions of people watching online here and overseas – the ludicrous ‘interview’ by Channel 4’s Cathy Newman – featured repeated attempts by Peterson to explain why one shouldn’t rush to glib and self-flattering conclusions that hadn’t actually been earned. It’s telling, I think, that this defining moment should involve repeated appeals for caution and moderation, and a left-leaning journalist’s inability – or refusal - to process this otherwise unremarkable point.

Sam Duncan

“He in fact provides an articulate defence of ideas and impulses that are much more popular than those of the keepers of the orthodoxies of the “mainstream” institutions intent on de-platforming him.”

That's the point here: if his ideas are more popular than those institutions', can they really maintain the claim to being “mainstream”? Aren't they, in fact, the fringe extremists?

Not, to coin a phrase, that there's anything wrong with that. The fringes can often be right while the majority is wrong. But it would behoove them to recognise their status instead of pretending that every reasonable person agrees with them.

“To be sure ((c) Robby Soave), having an unmoderated comment section can be an invitation for racism and casual abuse. Typically, though, the hacks' objection to this is a fig-leaf for not really liking to be criticised at all.”

Indeed. I've seen a couple of YouTubers I follow turn off comments recently because the abuse got too much for them (one doesn't even run an overtly political channel). But they're individuals with limited time to spend weeding it out. The fact that major media outlets with staff numbered in the thousands did it first is very telling.

Sort-Of-Mad Max

" But the modern journalist / opinionator frequently appears to be a twenty-something who has never had a proper job, doesn't work with any proper adults who might guide him a bit and thinks that objectivity would place him on the "wrong side of history"."

I'm finding more and more data to support my theory that most of today's journalists were those kids that spent an inordinate amount of time closed up in their room having conversations with their stuffed animals:

"And here's Mr Sparkly Unicorn! What does Mr Sparkly Unicorn say?"
"(Bargain-basement Barack Obama voice) He says, Everybody should be nice to everybody else and share!"
"And here's The Ugly Troll! Boooooo! What have YOU got to say, Ugly Troll?"
"(Alec Baldwin doing Donald Trump voice) You don't have to share! Keep your stuff and be a greedy pig! Oh, and kill cute bear cubs and put little immigrant children in cages!"
"Get him, Mr Sparkly Unicorn!" (bangs Mr Unicorn on top of Ugly Troll in a vaguely disquieting manner)

So now they do it with Twitter, instead of cuddly toys.

Squires

And Vogue and Elle saying this is cool.

May have won them points with the Taliban. Downward, to Diversity!

Pogonip

I think Lactatia is an actor and that when the cameras go away he scrubs off his makeup and goes out to play. Everything he says for public consumption sounds like it’s been scripted by an adult. “If your friends don’t like drag queens, you need new friends.” Kids don’t think like this. Kids want to be like everybody else ,with an eye to joining the popular crowd. But how many times did your mom say, “If your friends X, you need new friends.”

The danger here, of course, is that the droves of pedophiles he’s attracting won’t care that it’s an act.

Hal

Radical Moderation

. . . .

That's the point here: if his ideas are more popular than those institutions', can they really maintain the claim to being “mainstream”? Aren't they, in fact, the fringe extremists?

There may be someone's specific statement somewhere, but as the general summation, a recurring observation does seem to be that:

The ""Conservatives""---Double quotes deliberate---don't conserve.
The ""Progressives"" don't progress.
Those in between getting called ""Moderate"" aren't the least bit moderate in being the default . . . .

David

One hour and 17 minutes in and he’s just got to Genesis!

See, now I’ve started watching it.

I may be some time.

Novus

referendums

It is referendums, actually. Sonething about its being a gerund, a verb dragooned as a noun, and thus not subject to the usual rules of pluralisation. For whatever reason.

Andy

So what you are saying is that Jordan Peterson wishes to rape bears in front of the Pope?

tolkein

So, for the wrong reason - I prefer English plurals -I was right. Glad I didn't choose referenda, because I have a smattering of Latin. Thank you, Novus!

The original Mr. X

And the New York Times laments, in the wake of a mass shooting, that the underlying cause of such extreme events is that “boys are broken,” implying that the swamp that feeds such monstrous excrescences and which must be drained — is masculine identity itself.

To be fair, the NYT is totally right here. Broken homes and the huge number of boys growing up without a proper father figure have really done a number of the male sex. We as a society urgently need to start promoting strong norms against divorce and pre-marital sex in order to reverse the problem.

I mean, that is what the NYT is advocating, right?

The original Mr. X

It is referendums, actually. Sonething about its being a gerund, a verb dragooned as a noun, and thus not subject to the usual rules of pluralisation. For whatever reason.

Actually, no, gerunds pluralise just the same as other nouns. Behold: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=referenda&la=la

champ

More on the continued dumbing down of US higher education...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/45271/

champ

I see that things aren't much better in the UK...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cycling-london-uk-sadiq-khan-bikes-race-class-gender-a8367916.html

Pogonip

Our betta has an advanced degree in Common Sense, which is more than any SJW can say.

Hopp Singg

More on the continued dumbing down of US higher education...

What? That Pet's diploma said that it had an owner! An owner!

[sputters indignantly]

[sputters again, but peters out]

No, I guess I just can't do it. I cannot muster the rage.

Hal

More on the continued dumbing down of US higher education...

Oh, look, academics with a sense of humor, whodathunk.

Hal

We started his lecture on Introduction the Idea of God. . . . One hour and 17 minutes in and he's just got to Genesis!

. . . One hour and . . ?!?!?!?

So to speak, Oh, Hell No.

Jordan Peterson: Psychological Significance of the Biblical Stories, aka Biblical Series

Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God Transcript

Biblical Series II: Genesis 1: Chaos & Order Transcript

Biblical Series III: God and the Hierarchy of Authority Transcript

Biblical Series IV: Adam and Eve: Self-Consciousness, Evil, and Death Transcript

Biblical Series V: Cain and Abel: The Hostile Brothers Transcript

Biblical Series VI: The Psychology of the Flood Transcript

Biblical Series VII: Walking with God: Noah and the Flood Transcript

Biblical Series VIII: The Phenomenology of the Divine Transcript---Heh!!!!

---No, I'm not reacting to the title, and what I am seeing could be an artifact of the browser, However. Working from what my browser shows for the video image, is anyone else noting another and parallel occurrence?

Biblical Series IX: The Call to Abraham Transcript

Biblical Series X: Abraham: Father of Nations Transcript

Biblical Series XI: Sodom and Gomorrah Transcript

Biblical Series XII: The Great Sacrifice: Abraham and Isaac Transcript

Biblical Series XIII: Jacob’s Ladder Transcript

Biblical Series XIV: Jacob: Wrestling with God Transcript

Biblical Series XV: Joseph and the Coat of Many Colors Transcript

. . . . tried digging about for PDFs, but nothing seems to be turning up. Then again, that sort of thing is what curt and paste, Open Office export to PDF, and one's commute reading tablet is for . . . .

Clam

It’s telling, I think, that this defining moment should involve repeated appeals for caution and moderation, and a left-leaning journalist’s inability – or refusal - to process this otherwise unremarkable point.

That.

David

That.

Well, that interview in particular seemed to strike a chord, very widely, and in a way that was all but unprecedented, given the fairly marginal and potentially dry subject matter. The nature of the exchange, the evasions, dishonesties and routine dogma that it highlighted, vividly, were recognised as familiar and near ubiquitous. Whatever the exchange revealed about Peterson, including superhuman patience, it revealed a lot more about Ms Newman and those who share her assumptions. Which is to say, much of the media class. For some, the exchange served as a shorthand for a widespread, institutional defect in the culture. One that’s rather important.

bilbaoboy

Watched the interview Anne McElvoy, Senior Editor at The Economist and head of Economist Radio with JBP on https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QRQjrsFnR4 Intelligence squared

Much less bad than our Cathy, slightly less condescending, allowing him to speak more, but still hadn't done her homework, refused to accept data, simple affirmation he is wrong. Almost childish 'Don't believe that' attitude.

The left cannot handle him because he is articulate and never says things he can't back up and he knows his stuff.

embarrasing for interviewers (and for women). Does nobody know how to interview any more? Or is it really that they are out to kill the people who are 'off message'

I believe both cases.

Captain Nemo

I see that things aren't much better in the UK...

Because it's so hard for a black person to walk into that latent bastion of white supremacy, or Halfords, as most of us call it, and buy a bicycle.

Stonecutter

Too few women and people from ethnic minority groups cycle in London and more must be done to promote diversity among a largely white, male and middle class biking community, the city’s walking and cycling commissioner has said.

Most of those cyclists are Good White middle aged men, who might have thought they'd thereby distinguish themselves from the Bad White middle aged men who drive enormous gas-guzzling cars.

Metropolitan cycling belongs to a guilt culture that values conspicuous non-consumption as a marker of status and good taste. These are particularly white concerns. If you don't come from a guilt culture and don't have guilt thrust upon you, the thought process is much more straightforward - why cycle in the rain if you can afford a nice car?

Governor Squid

“There are a number of reasons for that. One is that safety is paramount for getting different people from different walks of life cycling: older people, younger people, those from different backgrounds.”

So what he's saying is that middle-aged white men have the courage to ride bicycles, while women, minorities, the young and the old are all too timid. Not exactly the kind of touchy-feeling free-to-be-you-and-me sort I'd expect to be appointed by Mayor Khan't.

I'm an urban bicycle commuter, by the by, and it's from no sense of guilt, apart from the guilt of not being able to fit into my trousers. Riding the bike is helping a great deal in that regard. It's also saving me a small fortune on downtown parking fees, freeing up a lot of cash that can be spent on nights at the pub. Which puts a great deal of pressure on my trouser waistband.

One might say it's a vicious cycle.

Adriane

If your cycle is vicious, sell it on Craigslist and buy another one ... just sayin'

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