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June 06, 2018

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Jen

Brilliant article. I hope Andy Ngo watches his back.

David

I hope Andy Ngo watches his back.

Given the activists’ evident delight in vindictiveness, some caution seems in order, yes. There doesn’t seem to be much that would be beneath them.

Rafi

It's a protection racket.

David

It’s a protection racket.

Pretty much. And it attracts the kinds of personalities you’d expect to find involved in one.

Nikw211
    For his gratuitous and public humiliation of a progressive scholar, Whitten was not only afforded a warm reception at the event but he was thanked by his target, who was evidently grateful to have been shamed in this way. Blazack even wrote a follow-up post restating his craven apology once more, in response to which Whitten received more donations from supporters.

Here's Nick Cohen writing in 2005 on Gerry Healy's Workers' Revolutionary Party:

    In truth, terms such as 'left' and 'right' can only take you so far if you're trying to understand groups such as the Workers' Revolutionary Party. They are far closer to the messianic religious sects that obey the orders of semi-divine leaders. Gerry Healy, the leader of the WRP, didn't appear charismatic at first glance. He was a squat and ugly man, who maintained his personal domination by isolating his members from the outside world and their families [...]

    In her autobiography, [WRP member] Vanessa Redgrave described how her six-year-old daughter Natasha 'appealed to me to spend more time with her. I tried to explain that our political struggle was for her future and that of all the children of her generation. She looked at me with a serious, sweet smile.

    "But I need you now. I won't need you so much then.'"

    One woman said she barely saw her husband and four children ... She shook herself out of [the WRP] when Healy forced his way into her bedroom ... She left but most stayed until 1985 when the tabloids let rip with a 'reds in the bed' exposé of how Healy had abused dozens of women and stolen party funds. An audit of the books showed that he had taken about £500,000 from Muammar Gadaffi and £20,000 from Saddam Hussein [ ... ]

    [W]hat was fascinating was that a handful of members, including the Redgraves,... stuck by Healy until his death in 1989 and continued to revere his memory thereafter. Nothing could shake their faith, not the rapes and beatings of party members or the grovelling before tyrants.

I think I see a theme developing.

David

Mr Whitten was recently interviewed by Tucker Carlson. It didn’t go terribly well. But apparently that’s because Mr Carlson is “a white supremacist.”

David
For his gratuitous and public humiliation of a progressive scholar, Whitten was not only afforded a warm reception at the event but he was thanked by his target, who was evidently grateful to have been shamed in this way.

If you encourage the weak and credulous to cultivate delusions of collective guilt, and to contort themselves, abase themselves, in order to conform - and if you do it institutionally, in the name of progressive education - then it’s hardly surprising that moochers, narcissists and sociopaths will waste no time in exploiting it.

Para Ingles Oprime Dos

What an incredible coincidence that Green - a student and a social justice activist - just happened to have a hankering for a late pastry while passing that particular bakery.

If I had a cynical conspiracy-speculating mind I might even wonder whether Green was involved in a sociology experiment "testing" the reactions of store clerks to black customers, looking for implicit racism, microaggressions and other heinous acts of hatred.

If not, there may be a rash of such experiments coming to small retailers near you soon.

dw

Whitten selects his targets carefully — mainly white progressives who are likely to trip over themselves when accused of racism. Some of them offer him money or career opportunities.

They fired their own staff just so they could appease other SJWs. Hard to feel sorry for them.

Captain Nemo

Do read the whole thing.

Wait a minute. They fired the staff for doing nothing wrong, and then doubled down on the decision when they realised the staff had done nothing wrong? Well, it isn't just Whitten who comes out of that looking like a vindictive sociopath. Blomgren does too.

David

Hard to feel sorry for them.

Well, it’s perhaps a bit much to expect sympathy for people who choose to play Woker Than Thou, though the ladies who were fired don’t seem to have had much choice in the matter. And of course every triumph of this kind emboldens the winners, and others like them, and encourages more of the same. And the next targets, the ones who find themselves harassed, or defamed, or their livelihood under threat, may not be quite so complicit.

MichaelTeper1

Here’s a hint for the Eden Bakery: Fire yourselves and your whole staff. Close down the bakery, leave Portland and set up shop solewhere else. Then Mr Whitten and Ms Green and their social justice activist friends can make and serve themselves their own damn ice cream.

Franklin

Whitten selects his targets carefully — mainly white progressives who are likely to trip over themselves when accused of racism.

There's a twinkle of hope in all this. Since Sociopathic Justice Warriors are more likely to go after sympathetic progressives than, say, someone likely to tell them to go jump in a lake, they're going to grind up their own first and foremost. "Alex" selling Whitten out to Andy Ngo is a sign of grumbling in the ranks.

bilbaoboy

Whitten = a cheap and nasty hustler.

Pretty sure the ex-employees have a case for unfair dismissal.

And yes! Blomgren is a total wan*er!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It's a protection racket.

If I had a cynical conspiracy-speculating mind I might even wonder whether Green was involved in a sociology experiment "testing" the reactions of store clerks to black customers...

This lot is just dime (6 pence) store versions of the likes of the "Reverend" Al Sharpton, who ginned up the Tawana Bradley hoax, the Crown Heights and Freddie's Fashion Mart riots that led to deaths, and other hustles that made him so rich he owes millions in back taxes, and the likes of the "Reverend" Jessie Jackson whose "activism" has gotten him a net worth between 10 and 40 million frogskins.

The woman, a professional equity activist, took out a video camera & claimed she was a victim of racism...“So, I’m gonna put this on Facebook and I’m gonna blast their ass.”...Chrysanthius Lathan, a Portland Public Schools teacher and equity trainer who originally recommended the bakery hire Lillian Green, is now consulting for Back to Eden. She’s had at least one meeting with the bakery and is set to start training its staff on diversity, inclusion, and equity in August.

So, yes to sociopathy & clearly premeditated race hustling/protection racket, no to experiment.

David

It’s also worth noting that during Ms Green’s lengthy video tirade following the incident, at no point does she question her own assumptions, or her own sense of entitlement. Say, her belief that she can walk into an eatery several minutes after closing time and demand to be served by staff already running late, and then accuse them of “Jim Crow” racism, and try to get them fired, successfully, based solely on the noises in her own head. As if only her somewhat theatrical blackness, not her tardiness, could explain what happened.

[ Added: ]

My first proper job was working in a bookstore, where students would regularly breeze in at literally the last minute and try to forcibly extend our hours of business, as if the difference between 6pm and 6:30, or however much time they saw fit to take, were utterly immaterial. And so I’ve long thought of it as rude to enter a store close to closing time, especially if you’re not sure what you want, let alone after closing time, when the ‘open’ sign is switched off. Even if I’d made a mistake about a store’s business hours, I can’t imagine feeling sufficiently entitled to argue the point and play the victim - over a hankering for dessert - and then gleefully start a campaign to get the store besieged and its employees fired.

Ann Doran

“Sometimes impact outweighs intent and when that happens people do need to be held accountable.”

This is the language you use to scapegoat somebody as racist while presenting yourself as a trustworthy expert witness who isn't taking sides. It's the language of social workers and court-appointed psychologists that we've all now learned to speak to some extent from diversity training and Doctor Phil.

Howard Schulz used that kind of language when he threw his Philly store manager to the mob - "I think for her, she is suffering in her own way". Given the difference in wealth to begin with and the difference in life outcomes, especially since Scuhulz has now leveraged this into a Henry Louis Gates teachable moment on his path to a presidential bid, it's hard to find words to describe Schulz - "cowardly prick", while true, is a paltry schoolyard insult.

The lesson here is don't be a lower caste loser who's ended up in a customer facing food service job, and don't expect any protection from the leftwing so-called progressives who historically felt some solidarity or noblesse oblige towards people in your position, but now see you as contemptible and untouchable.

If you're talented or lucky enough to be an executive, you can afford to insulate yourself from the effects of the diversity and vibrancy that you preach, payoffs to SJWs are just a business cost that can be managed, and if you spin it properly, there's an opportunity to present yourself as a statesman and reformer. But if you lack the IQ or glibness for a corporate job, then apart from dealing with diversity and vibrancy with no insulation (and no protection or loyalty from your bosses), you're in a lottery every day for being the target of a Two Minutes Hate.

Squires

It's a protection racket.

In the words of Abu Afak:

“A rider who came to them split them in two (saying)
‘Permitted’, ‘Forbidden’, of all sorts of things.”

When the sadism of raw power over others is of equal or greater importance than the material gain gotten by a racket, then you are dealing with something even farther out along the spectrum of evil.

Sometimes impact outweighs intent...

Want to take a bet on who this one voted for?

R. Sherman

They are far closer to the messianic religious sects that obey the orders of semi-divine leaders.

And their gods are extraordinarily arbitrary and capricious. And what Ngo chronicles is the sacrifice of two maidens into the volcano in hopes that it will stop erupting. Maybe.

MC

Count me on the 'no sympathy for the bakery' side. They signed up for this bullshit, now they know what it means.

From the article:

In 2016, Sally Krantz opened Saffron Colonial in north Portland, a restaurant featuring historical recipes from the British Empire.

That was either sublime trolling or a massive market research failure.

MC

This is about the rampant anti-blackness in my city that you don’t know about and you’re complicit in, so I don’t care about the intentions.

I'm beginning to think he is not acting in good faith.

Killer Marmot

In a just world, the gods of the free market would ensure that this bakery has difficulty finding both good help and regular customers.

But back in reality land, it will probably be "Forget it, Jake. It's Portland."

Duke Magoo

All that's missing is the organ grinder and a tin cup. This guy is nothing but an opportunistic monkey.

Sonny Wayze

So what would happen if a series of 'customers' managed to find reasons to yell RACISM!!! or even SEXISM!!! for a couple of weeks? I assume the owner would dutifully fire all of the staff involved, until there was no longer a staff.

If he didn't, I'd think any wrongful dismissal lawsuits by the original clerks would be much more likely to succeed, and be for larger sums.

Sam Duncan

“dime (6 pence) store”

Heh. I've just noticed that: 10¢ is about 6-7p these days. When F.W.Woolworth opened in Britain in 1909, its fixed prices were, in fact, 1d and 6d. There were 240d, not 100, to the pound, the dollar was fixed at four to the pound, so at 60d to the dollar, 6d was the exact equivalent of a dime. Relative to the dollar, the New Penny is now worth almost the same as the old one. If anything, slightly less.

But a truer measure of how far the currency was debased over the 20th Century is the current fad for fixed-price stores being the near-ubiquitous “pound shop”.

Spiny Norman

Ann Doran,

...when he threw his Philly store manager to the mob - "I think for her, she is suffering in her own way".

Of course, the commenters at the link don't see it that way at all; "the profiling racist hasn't suffered nearly enough and Schulz is not sufficiently groveling" seems to be the consensus. Jesusfockingchrist, those people are genuinely deranged.

Connor

Even if I’d made a mistake about a store’s business hours, I can’t imagine feeling sufficiently entitled to argue the point and play the victim - over a hankering for dessert - and then gleefully start a campaign to get the store besieged and its employees fired.

Two weeks ago I missed a train because I was 10 minutes late. I'm thinking of having the driver fired.

Sam

Hard to feel sorry for them.

One of the comments at Quilette was more blunt and the person was happy to see the left eat it's own, so to speak.

I used to feel that way but these days it makes me sad and ashamed of my race (the human one). I guess it would be enjoyable if these sorts of incidents created cascading waves of people fed up with identity politics but it doesn't seem to. One could argue that these things add up eventually to a dam breaking but that gives me little solace.

For instance I'm happy the Allies won WWII but don't delight in Russians killing Germans. I don't care if they were Nazis, Commies or whathaveyou because it was a tragic loss of life regardless.

I keep coming back to the one question that is central to "our side's" entire existence: how to fight back - and win! - while not losing our principles and becoming those whom we despise. A great rift has formed in the Pro-West faction over this question and it will need addressing if we hope not only to triumph over the collectivist insanity but avoid replacing it with a merely different flavor of nonsense.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Two weeks ago I missed a train because I was 10 minutes late. I'm thinking of having the driver fired.

In Japan they seem to be having the opposite sort of problems.

John B

Social media has been weaponized. honestly, it's time something was done about the insanity it causes.

Sam

@ John B - it's time something was done

Yes, but what exactly? That's the rub isn't it?

I often get into heated arguments with ideological allies for demanding details, because the solution usually involves using government - the same government that's chock full of lefties - to punish or nationalize private industry. MOAR SOSHULIZM is not the answer, but admittedly the right course of action is not entirely clear to me.

Jonathan

It's a protection racket.

Of course it is. The late, great Tom Wolfe documented the motives and the method in 'The Bonfire of the Vanities' 30 years ago. The character of 'Reverend Bacon' is the archetype for all these hustlers.

I think he’s actually a sociopath..

Hey, it's a living.

Dr Evil

Why don't people tell this Whitten character to Foxtrot Oscar and mind his own business?

Bogus Major

After the talk, I went to the ATM and got out $20 to give him because I really do think his point about being compensated for his efforts is valid.

It's extraordinary that somebody would allow himself to be so thoroughly humiliated. And then go on talking as if he's been left with a shred of respect or moral authority.

Is he deluding himself that this is like fraternity hazing, where showing he's a good sport about ritual humiliation qualifies him as a member of the brotherhood? This seems more like street intimidation, where the reward for allowing yourself to be bullied is that the bullying will continue and escalate.

Tom Wolfe, in Mau-Mauing the Flak Catchers, has a scene where a black activist asks a white social welfare bureaucrat what his salary is and why he doesn't hand it over to the cause he claims to care about so much. Wolfe puts the narrative point of view inside the mind of the bureaucrat, who for a minute or two imagines getting marched down to the bank to withdraw all his money, then figures out that the activist is just fucking with him (for the moment), and then tries to reconstruct his dignity and reimagine himself as a respectable man who's made a generous concession instead of a coward who's just been punked.

6d was the exact equivalent of a dime

In midcentury British films about spivs and juvenile delinquents, a half crown (a frequently used coin worth two and a half shillings - enough to buy lunch or a beer) is often called a half dollar. I wonder if the spivs picked it up from American troops for whom it was a convenient way of converting £-s-d into the correct amount of two-bitses.

Alice
Green was affronted, and once she stepped out of the bakery, she immediately began recording a video to register her indignation. “Two white women is in front of me and [the bakery] said like, ‘Oh, we’re sorry, we’re only serving them,’” she said. “So, I’m gonna put this on Facebook and I’m gonna blast their ass.”

She's doing a PhD in education.

David

She’s doing a PhD in education.

We don’t deserve her gifts.

Flubber

You know I'm shocked, shocked I tell you, that Lillian Green is fat, ugly and angry.

Never saw that coming.

Flubber

Here is a good article on this vendetta:

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2018/06/04/revolt-of-the-revolting/

David

“Two white women is in front of me…”

And while Ms Green is filming herself engorged with indignation - and demanding the firing of two unfortunate sales clerks, essentially because they’re white - she still finds time to fret about whether the “two white women” in front of her in the queue were actually women, even though they appeared to be. Because she wouldn’t want to misgender them.

Daniel Ream

Count me on the 'no sympathy for the bakery' side.

Count me on the 'no sympathy for the employees' side.

Nobody moves from rural Idaho to Portland, and takes a job at a wankfest of a cafe like this one, without knowing exactly what kind of dogs they're lying down with.

Being stupid has to hurt. If it doesn't hurt, people won't stop being stupid.

Daniel Ream

how to fight back - and win! - while not losing our principles and becoming those whom we despise.

People always seem to forget that the protections of the Geneva Conventions apply only to those countries that signed them. Sometimes, you have to firebomb Dresden and not feel guilty about it afterwards.

Sam

"you have to firebomb Dresden and not feel guilty about it afterwards"

So we need to firebomb the left. Who exactly? Where? How much? How do we ensure non-lefties won't be consumed by the blaze? Or are we not supposed to feel guilty about the collateral damage either?

What is that you say? You were being metaphorical*? Oh. Issue is still open I suppose.


*Even the metaphor fails to inspire: the fact that we DO feel guilty about firebombing civilians is not something to decry, but to be celebrated. Governments trying their damndest to kill their entire population (see: Europe's entire history thru 1945) is not my idea of an enlightened example of winning.

WTP

Sometimes, you have to firebomb Dresden and not feel guilty about it afterwards.

That. But more so than that, this one weird trick will prevent most of this SJW, Antifa, etc. BS from getting off the ground...Ready for it? Stop funding the idiotic education system which provides the foundation for such idiocy. Don't be giving the enemy the guns and the bullets with which they will shoot you.

Daniel Ream

You were being metaphorical

Yes. Clearly. Unless modern-day Dresden is a hotbed of race-baiting cultural Marxism, in which case not. I don't know, I'm not really familiar with current affairs in Germany.

Feeling guilty about fighting a war to win against an enemy demonstrably unbound by Marquis of Queensbury rules isn't 'something to be celebrated', it is suicidal. And as WTP pointed out, we needn't do anything quite so destructive; simply shunning people from polite society for espousing Marxist pieties would go a long way towards making being stupid hurt.

Because playing nice when your enemy is consistently aiming for the crotch means you end up with either bread lines or helicopters.

Sam

Ah yes, it's either firebombing innocent civilians or the Marquis of Queensbury. Sorry, not going to buy that bullshit false dichotomy. And neither are you apparently:

playing nice when your enemy is consistently aiming for the crotch

...

simply shunning people from polite society

Shunning people? What are you, some kind of cuck?!? Would you simply shun someone if they punched you in the dick?

Ridiculous, empty chest thumping is easy. Solutions are hard, and not because we don't have good ideas based on solid, fair principles, but because persuasion is hard.

For example I wholeheartedly agree that we taxpayers shouldn't be funding universities, but believe so regardless of who is running those institutions. I imagine most people on the right agree for some reason or another with the sentiment, yet how many politicians and pundits push that solution? How many normies would sign on even if they did? Even our gracious host shows example after example of the clown quarter yet ending taxpayer funding for higher ed never seems to come up.

And that's a straightforward example. From how people talk you'd think we're seconds away from a shooting war yet when it comes time to discuss actual, real-world ways to counter the enemy it's nothing but rah-rah platitudes.

Sam

Ironically, ending publicly funded education at all levels is one of my 2 pet issues. I think it's the alpha and omega of contemporary problems facing the West. Conservatives rail against even the sniff of socialism yet happily send their children to socialists detention facilities all the way up through adulthood.

Looking back it's really no surprise that the marxists were able to become the dominant cultural force so quickly. It wasn't holding fast to principles that caused it, but rather the consistent abandonment of those principle for the sake of "playing nice", or for simply getting free shit.

WTP

Copied this from Ace by commenter Zombie (The Zombie?...) but this is encouraging:

GOOD NEWS ANECDOTE

Yesterday was heading to the BART (subway) station in Berkeley. All along downtown were freshly applied posters, stickers and signboards for some event sponsored by the RCP -- the Revolutionary Communist Party. This is in no way remarkable -- the RCP constantly plasters Berkeley with their posters and signs. You always see them everywhere. But here's where the story gets interesting:

As I got tot he BART station entrance, a mid-20s bearded white guy -- an obvious new recruit in the RCP cult -- was standing there handing out flyers to passersby, saying, "Come learn about socialism and how it's the REAL solution to our problems!"

Walking directly behind me were two tall Cal student boys who had been talking about the classes at UC Berkeley. Just as I passed the RCP dude and started down the stairs to the subway station, he again repeated to the group behind me, "Come learn about socialism and how it's the REAL solution to our problems!"

Guess what happened next? One of the Cal students yelled at the guy angrily, "FUCK socialism! FUCK communism! Communism is responsible for 100 million deaths since World War II! Get those fuckin' flyers out of my face!"

And the yelling continued as I made my way down to the train.

Made my day.

The tide is turning -- even in Berkeley. I have never ever EVER heard anyone talk back to the communist leafletters in Berkeley. Until yesterday.

Posted by: zombie at June 06, 2018 03:30 PM (c+2jX)

jabrwok

@ John B - it's time something was done

Yes, but what exactly? That's the rub isn't it?

Step 1: build a Lofstrom Launch Loop
Step 2: Strip-mine the moon for materials
Step 3: mass-produce large (>100mi diameter) space habitats.
Step 4: emigrate. Each identity group gets its own world and can ignore the rest of us.

David

Apparently Mr Whitten has discovered Mr Ngo’s “alt-right” article.

champ

Oh, my...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/298845/

champ

The curriculum will be oriented around the Feminist Business School’s "Guide to Prototyping a Feminist Business," which outlines steps that entrepreneurs can take to help create a more "feminine economy."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/feminist-business-school-to-launch-anti-capitalist-summer-camp/

I'm sure that'll work out well for them...

champ

No actual business skills — such as bookkeeping or marketing — will be taught.

Chester Draws

Defending tertiary education isn't much of a solution. The SJWs don't come from poor backgrounds and will still go to college. The deserving poor will be the ones that miss out.

The selective defunding of angry studies is a possibility, but they'll just take over and ruin other subjects.

At high school level private schools are as "progressive" as public in general. Although in my country the worst ones are the very richest and very poorest public schools.

The solution, really, is for society to realise that degrees in angry studies are useless. If we start considering a person with three years work experience more useful that a fresh BA in "colonial studies", as most here would, then people will stop getting them. Or at least employing them.

Of course that means *society* has to move. The "burn it down" crowd want it to be fixed externally, as if the ills of society are ever fixed by the government.

When the Left want the government to fix society's problems from above we should mock them, not agree. Same for the their opponents.

Stalin's line about needing to break some eggs to make omelettes comes to mind. A bad chef breaking eggs is not a solution. How many of you have been to Dresden? It's not been improved by being fire-bombed flat.

Chester Draws

Sorry, my autocorrect makes defunding into defending. Which is quite the wrong way round!

Jacob

“Dismantling the white supremacist hetero-patriarchy,” as Mr Blomgren puts it, is apparently something that small eateries should do now, ostentatiously, above all else, and is best achieved, it seems, by firing female employees for the sin of doing their jobs.

Get woke, go broke.

Jacob

And while Ms Green is filming herself engorged with indignation - and demanding the firing of two unfortunate sales clerks, essentially because they’re white

That.

David

That.

Well, I suppose you have to wonder how Ms Green, our professional agitator, might have behaved if the sales clerks had been brown-skinned but said exactly the same thing and for the same innocuous reason. Isn’t she basing her vindictive crusade on their skin colour?

John

@Champ

The curriculum will be oriented around the Feminist Business School’s "Guide to Prototyping a Feminist Business," which outlines steps that entrepreneurs can take to help create a more "feminine economy."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/feminist-business-school-to-launch-anti-capitalist-summer-camp/

I'm on the process of setting up a new business (well, two) at the moment. Their 12 steps seem to be utterly different to the process I'm following. If, however, I was writing a self-help book for the self-obsessed and hard-of-thinking market, I may recognise more of what the Feminist Business School is offering.

(as an aside: Feminist business school is an interesting collision of words that have (or should have) very little reason to appear together:try as I might, I cannot come up with a triad of less similar terms)

dcardno

...might have behaved if the sales clerks had been brown-skinned but said exactly the same thing...

I suspect, exactly the same way - her complaint would still have been that the last customers served were white. She might have made the claim that the putative black clerks had been co-opted by the white capitalist oppressors. Perhpas she would have targetted extensive re-education for the staff instead of immedite dismissal, but she would not have forgone the opportunity to launch an obnoxious complaint.

David

her complaint would still have been that the last customers served were white.

Or put another way, “Mad woman offended by prosaic random event.”

Donna Dampfschiff

"If capitalism is an economy that values masculine traits, what could another economy look like?" asks Jennifer Armbrust, the Evergreen State College graduate who serves as the Feminist Business School’s only instructor. Instead, a more "feminine economy" could value other traits, such as "generosity," "empathy," "gratitude," "integrity," and "intimacy," Armbrust suggests.

That's what the traditionalists have been saying all along...

Elementary economics textbooks dutifully inform students that the word economy comes from the Greek term for household management ... Subsequently, the original sense faded from men's minds. Factories and banks, not homes, came to be thought of as the principal settings of "economic" activity. Today we see journalists sloppily referring to the securities market as "the economy." So completely has the market driven out consideration of the household that one economist, Gary Becker, has recently used marginal-utility theory in attempting to reinterpret the natural family itself as being the result of economically rational calculation.

... The economy of the home differs qualitatively as well as quantitatively from that of commercial enterprises or nations. The family actually does operate roughly according to the principle "from each according to his abilities; to each according to his needs." This communist slogan is not, in other words, intrinsically utopian; it is only utopian to extend the principle universally, in defiance of the ineliminable qualitative differences between the natural family and political society. (Many socialist writers lose sight of the familial inspiration of their ideal, but in the original socialist utopia described in Plato's Republic, Socrates explicitly recognizes that he is extending the preexisting familial principle to the polis.)

... The German sociologist Ferdinand Tönnies (1855-1936) famously distinguished two fundamental types of human connectedness: society and community. Of these, community is both conceptually and historically prior. It is characterized by ascribed (i.e., unchosen) statuses, affective attachments to persons and places, strong habits and traditions, and a common worship. Work within a community is understood in the Aristotelian sense of energeia, as the realization of a natural potency, the carrying out of a meaningful task or vocation. The family is the prototype of all community.

Society is characterized by chosen or achieved statuses, self-interest, individualism, impersonality, contract, and competition. Work is understood not as a calling but as a job, an unpleasantness to be endured for the sake of extrinsic rewards such as money and status. The particular nature of the enterprise in which one competes may be a matter of indifference (e.g., dope-dealing being as good as agriculture). The commercial enterprise is the textbook example of a society understood by way of contrast to a community.

... Tönnies himself saw that his typological distinction is not sexually neutral: men can thrive in loose, competitive societies; women generally do not, or, if they do, they lose their femininity in the process.

WTP

The solution, really, is for society to realise that degrees in angry studies are useless. If we start considering a person with three years work experience more useful that a fresh BA in "colonial studies", as most here would, then people will stop getting them. Or at least employing them.

Yeah, but that realization is too late to do any good. The money (our tax dollars) have already been spent to "educate" this person. And I bristle at the idea of getting "Society" to do any thing. The funding for this nonsense needs to be cut. Period. If people spend their own money on it, that is their problem. But wasting time and effort, especially in much of the "core" classes of BA degrees and such, is a unnecessary burden on the deserving poor and an opportunity cost for the rest of us...and the deserving poor as well.

Where is it written that every professional occupation requires exactly 15 * 2 * 4 = 120 credit hours of post-high school education to be successful? And of course now a Bachelors isn't sufficient anymore thus to achieve status you need to waste even more money on a Masters. It's a crock. We need to dump this whole idea of 4 year colleges and such and get back to the concept of apprenticeships and sabbaticals and such. People need to work a little so that they understand what it is that they really need to know, not grab all their education in one front-loaded gulp. Especially as technology changes more and more rapidly. Hell, software technology goes through revolutions every four years or so.

Also, forcing young people to delay getting started professionally until they are 22 or so is bad for society in general. A young man should be able to support himself and a wife and possibly even one child at such an age without incurring huge debts. There are very, very few professions that a reasonably intelligent young person can't get a start in after what could be taught in 12 years of regular school. Now of course we've dumbed down our education such that what I just suggested is not rationally possible today. But there is no reason a 12 year education can't be equivalent to an Associate's degree.

All of the above in US context of course. May need some conversion to the metric system...

David

And their gods are extraordinarily arbitrary and capricious.

The goal posts shift, continually and often erratically, in order to keep the victim wrong-footed. That way, no-one can be sure of being spared the Mao-lings’ ire. They want to be offended and unhappy – it’s the premise of their status and inflated self-importance; it’s the thing that excuses all that lovely scolding and those acts of malice. And so there’s little point trying to engage with such people on their own terms, as if you could find some mutual accommodation short of your own humiliation and deference, or somehow make them less obnoxious.

The hope that these creatures are amenable to realistic debate, or will ever admit error, or that they want anything besides the enjoyment of dominating you, is, as we’ve seen, quite misplaced.

WTP

They want to be offended and unhappy – it’s the premise of their status and inflated self-importance;

Yeah, this is spread much further than just the Mao-ling domain. It was something that I noticed as a child, mostly with many women/girls, bullys, and non-to-be-touched-because-they're-so-smart boys. The simplest things, the breaking of an excessively fine-tuned rule of decorum, that set them off. I've always been suspicious of, and also somewhat consciously obtuse to, taking manners too far. Obviously one should show a degree of class and decorum in how one states things. And a failure to do so, to understand what those limits are, is certainly a legitimate red flag for immaturity. But on the other hand, "politeness", extreme pearl clutching and beyond, can be taken sooo far such that the "decorum" itself becomes a form of rudeness.

What I find interesting is many "conservatives" that express this delicacy seem to make up a good percentage of the #NeverTrump domain.

Para Ingles Oprime Dos

Here's a recent example of (choose one)
a) performance art
b) dismantling white supremacy
c) running out on the tab
d) sticking it to The Man
e) a failed "Portland" caper

Group lights up, walks out on $420 restaurant bill
http://wreg.com/2018/06/06/group-lights-up-walks-out-on-420-restaurant-bill/

David

sticking it to The Man

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Bah.

Para Ingles Oprime Dos

For the benefit of European visitors who may not be able to view the WREG website, here is the text of the story.

MEMPHIS, Tenn. — Police are looking for a group of nearly 20 people who they say tried to do drugs inside a popular Midtown restaurant, then skipped out on a $420 bill.

It happened at Frida’s Mexican Restaurante on Madison Avenue this past Sunday night.

Surveillance video from inside the restaurant shows a table of 16 people eating and enjoying themselves.

Frida’s manager Jesse Gonzalez says they were one of the last tables seated at around 10:30, a half hour before closing.
"They came in at the last minute. We didn’t think anything of it.”

He says they treated themselves, ordering some of the most expensive things on the menu, including $11 margaritas.
"The grand burritos, Frida’s special steak, steak and shrimp,” he said.

But soon, he said, the bartender got a whiff of something that didn’t smell like grilled steak and peppers.

"It was just one guy smoking weed. We asked him to stop. I guess he was the leader or the group and he made a scene,” Gonzalez said.
At that point, Gonzalez said, the group started berating the staff.

"They started getting louder and louder, getting upset, yelling offenses to the server, saying come on, come on."
Eventually, one by one, the people finished their drinks and left the table.

Two women left behind didn’t seem to be in as much of a hurry, though. One even carried her blue margarita away from the table after the group ignored staff and skipped out on the $420 bill.

Gonzalez says they even pushed one of the servers in the stairwell. He says he’s never seen anything like it.

"Our walk-outs are, they forgot to pay or they’ll come back next day. Major walkouts like that, that’s our first and biggest one."
Gonzalez says he thinks they planned the whole outburst so they could skip out on the bill.

"You don’t think they're gonna do that, especially on a Sunday night. One guy got them all riled up at the same time."
The manager says at this point he’s not too worried about the money. He’s just glad all his staff is ok.

But he does want police to catch the people who did this so if you recognize anyone in the video make sure you call Memphis Police.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Group lights up, walks out on $420 restaurant bill

Gonzalez says he thinks they planned the whole outburst so they could skip out on the bill.

¿ Piensas Ud., Capitán Obvio ?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Bah

Dave - try this for a summary.

If that doesn't work - a dozen or so "patrons" walked into a Mexican restaurant in Nashville a half hour before closing, ordered the most expensive food and drink, proceeded to spark up, when asked to stop, started berating and assaulting the staff, whereupon the lot slipped out the door skipping out on a rather appropriate $420 bill.

If I mentioned race, I would have to denounce myself once again.

David

Thanks.

Sort-Of-Mad Max

It was just destiny! '420' is the universal stoner code for 'Time to fire up a jay!'. If you're smokin', and they just SHOVE '420' in your face like that, you JUST GOTTA burn one!

Plus, oppressed minorities stickin' it to the man, bla bla bla. You know, white Hispanics named 'Gonzalez'.

WTP

e) a failed "Portland" caper

I dunno about failed. Seems to have worked so far. And The manager says at this point he’s not too worried about the money. He’s just glad all his staff is ok.

So...no harm, no foul.

Hal

What I find interesting is many "conservatives" that express this delicacy seem to make up a good percentage of the #NeverTrump domain.

Previously on David Thompson . . . !

Governor Squid

But on the other hand, "politeness", extreme pearl clutching and beyond, can be taken sooo far such that the "decorum" itself becomes a form of rudeness.

The flip side of this is that the overdue backlash against such self-serving pearl-clutching comes from those who seem the least adept at calling out the behavior for what it is, or employing tactics effectively countering it. Instead, we're treated to gratuitous rudeness and name-calling every bit as self-serving as the behavior it's supposedly responding to.

One of the reasons I find Dr. Peterson so refreshing is that he possesses the temperament and rhetorical skills to push back without coming across as a knuckledragger. Instead, he remains more pleasant and friendly than anybody would expect, and allows his interlocutors to show their true colors when they get flustered and frustrated by his stubborn (yet polite) refusal to follow the script.

Plus, he's Canadian, so he's insulated against the usual #TRVMP/#NeverTrump cheerleading.

WTP

The flip side of this is that the overdue backlash against such self-serving pearl-clutching comes from those who seem the least adept at calling out the behavior for what it is

And it is here where I see much of the problem lies. This political correctness aggression has been going on for decades. It seems that those "adept" at calling it out are either ineffective at doing so or are afraid to stick their necks out. And thus the problem has advanced so far along that a polite (even in the already quaintly polite Canadian context), well mannered, soft spoken, slow to anger (again) Canadian Dr. Peterson has drawn the ire of the PC crowd. They have, as I said, silenced enough of the polite opposition, moved the Overton Window so far that they are running out of targets on the right, at least in academia and infotainment. It has even gotten to the point that the polite ones on the right now pearl clutch at those impertinent ones whose frustration levels have hit a point where they elect a Donald Trump to do some "fine adjustment with a sledge hammer".

Darleen

"Feminist Philosopher" treads close to libel about Jordan Peterson

He responds.

David

“Feminist Philosopher" treads close to libel about Jordan Peterson

Imagine my surprise.

Spiny Norman

He responds.

From the comments on his website:

Drenny1

Manne's statements are either incredibly ignorant or incredibly dishonest. Either possibility is a damning indictment of the educational institutions Peterson has been railing against. I used to think Peterson was being a bit overdramatic about the state of universities and pc culture, but Peterson's 'critics' have done an amazing job at making his case for him.

That. In spades.

TomJ

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