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September 04, 2007



Excellent article, David.


I agree with Georges. Thanks David.

Mr. Gora's position, which I respect and support, reminds me of Marcus Aurelius's comment to the effect that "The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane".

Based on the last few tens of thousands of years, I have a theory that the sane tend to win out, in the long run, modulo the occasional downturn century, and a few hundred million dead here or there. Alas, I shall be dead long before that proposition is settled either way (if it ever is).

Meanwhile, David, your particular sanity is appreciated. There are fundamental advances that homo sapiens have made over time. They need to be defended.

Yet it remains the case the while defending fundamental advancements is basically a conservative thing, the fundamental advancements have tended to be liberal (using the classic definitions). This tends to confuse a lot of people, causing them to focus on their differences, rather than celebrating their similarities.

But people aren't actually stupid; they are smart enough to understand advancement even if they can't explain it. And that's where the current incarnation of Islamism fails the test: people can tell that it is not constructive, it is destructive.

Over time, it will fail. The only open question is how ugly the mess will be.


Tahir Aslam Gora's take is another heartening sign from the Muslim community. He is far more credible than the Muslims-in-public-denial and the communo-leftists because he understands that it's not entirely up to the west to account for certain tendencies that exist within Islam, and that taking that approach would not be as productive as advertised.

Salma Yaqoob, in The Guardian, is among those who point us straight at the most unproductive approach. She begins her article by saying that the most recent terror attempts in the UK "...have once again raised the question: why?"

At first glance it seems like a reasonable, caring-sharing question -- "why?" -- suitable for western sensibilities, but in fact whenever she, Ajmaal Masroor, various Guardian columnists and a broad swatch of the left in general repeatedly invoke the "why?" question they understand that it's not so much a question as a sideways didactic device, an attempt to slide in, as the baseline for all further discussion, the more-advanced *understanding* that Islamists are *driven* to mass-murder innocents by western, non-Islamic agencies, including our own culture.

Suppose that the west was even capable of somehow collectively understanding the motivation of those who desire to murder innocents; would our self-induced "understanding" alter, in any way, the behaviour of hard-core Islamists? I think it's reasonable to assume that the most violent men at the edge of Islam are not interested in what we think, except to the extent that it has a utility for them in identifying our cultural/political weak spots.

Islam has fewer weak spots than the west does; Islam is not rife with political blocs who wish to take it down. Whenever a thoughtful westerner asks us, with the wisdom of Father Christmas himself, "Ah, but *why* would a bunch of young Islamic males, immigrants and first generation, wish to mass-murder their compatriots", it's a rhetorical question with the implied answer that the perpetrators are not nearly as culpable for their actions as less-progressive westerners might think.

Ajmaal Masroor: "I would like us..." (note that he's not referring to himself, since he already understands, but to us, which, for the purpose of his piece, includes him) "...to be more honest about the root causes that have made terrorism so appealing, even fashionable, for some people. I could like us to take into account what has driven these people to resort to such desperate measures..."

A lot of us have already taken into account the "root cause", and our answer has been deemed not only unacceptable, but so unacceptable that it justifies further actions being against us; we are asked instead to look elsewhere -- specifically, at ourselves.

What if we did, in search of solutions, ask ourselves questions like "What motivated hundreds of thousands of Muslim men around the world to scream to the point of hoarseness and hyperventilation for Salman Rushdie's death?"

It's not like we would receive some collective dispensation to answer that we don't have now. And when certain answers to such questions are proscribed -- for Muslims as well -- by those who insist we ask ourselves such questions, then what, exactly, is being asked of us?



“…we are asked instead to look elsewhere -- specifically, at ourselves.”

A couple of years ago, there was a Moral Maze programme on the subject of suicide bombing, in which Cilla Elworthy of Peace Direct asked, somewhat rhetorically, “Why are young men in such a state of fury and indignation?” Curiously, having asked the question, she wasn’t too keen on hearing suggestions that didn’t hinge entirely on Western culpability. Like many others, she seemed determined to assign blame to “the West”, even if this entailed elaborate moral contortion. But this eagerness to portray jihadists and ‘martyrs’ as being provoked to such actions has obvious implications for other, non-Western, victims of similar atrocities. It isn’t clear to me how the unsuspecting guests at a Jordanian wedding party might have “provoked” their own dismemberment, or why the education of girls in Thailand should “provoke” the destruction of those schools and their teachers’ decapitation.


Peace Direct? Somehow I doubt that Cilla has ever pondered what Aristotle meant when he said, "We make war so that we may live in peace". I may not know much, but I'm pretty sure that the path to peace is not direct. If it was, we would be there by now, and the road to utopia would not be littered with tombstones. Peace is a direction, not a destination. And we'll never get there. But we're doin' pretty good so far.



I mention Elworthy because, at the time, it made clear to me how easily the placement of blame can go beyond reasonable differences of opinion held in good faith. Let’s not forget Madeleine Bunting and her response to John Ware’s Panorama film about the Muslim Council of Britain and its habitual ambiguity regarding extremism. Bunting called the programme “McCarthyite” and accused Ware of “slyly editing” the words of Syed Abul A’la Mawdudi - with no evidence whatsoever - apparently on grounds that she couldn't accept Mawdudi’s statement that the ideal Islamic state would bear a “kind of resemblance to the fascist/communist states.” Apparently, such a comment couldn’t *possibly* be true, and must therefore be taken out of context or wilfully distorted.

However, if Bunting had actually read Mawdudi's works, she’d have discovered this comment is quoted verbatim and is entirely in keeping with Mawdudi’s broader philosophy, and that of his followers. In April 1939, Mawdudi argued: “In reality, Islam is a revolutionary ideology which seeks to alter the social order of the whole world and rebuild it in conformity with its own tenets and ideals… Islam requires the earth - not just a portion, but the whole planet.” According to Mawdudi, non-Muslims have “absolutely no right to seize the reins of power in any part of God's Earth, nor to direct the affairs of human beings according to their own misconceived doctrines.” If non-Muslims do hold political power anywhere on Earth, Mawdudi insisted: “[Muslims are] under an obligation to do their utmost to dislodge them from political power and to make them live in subservience to the Islamic way of life.”

Yet Bunting was apparently unwilling to read Mawdudi’s own words, which are readily available online, or to register their documented influence on Pakistan’s numerous Islamist groups, or on Sayyid Qutb, the Muslim Brotherhood and bin Laden, or to entertain the possible influence of such ideas on at least three of the four London bombers. When one Guardian columnist – a “leading thinker” – behaves in this way, one might dismiss it as ineptitude and a sign of obvious personal bias. But when similar evasions are performed by dozens of commentators and repeated almost every week for several years, it comes to have an atmosphere of something else entirely.


Understood, David. Yet I continue to be unable to understand what that something else is. Do they think that in an authoritarian system they will be in charge? Maybe I'm just simple, but I don't understand how women and gays and the non-abrahamic (to the degree that matters) and so-called freedom-loving people can be so deluded. Or, maybe, they're just technically insane, in the sense of working against their own self-interest, which would be another problem in its own right.


I could only guess at what passes through the minds of the people concerned. But when so many commentators make the same claims and errors, based on the same assumptions - and then continue doing so despite repeated refutation, then those claims and errors are no longer a matter of good faith. At the time of the London bombings, if you followed the commentary in the pages of, say, the Guardian and Independent, it was hard to avoid an impression of some strange collective denial, often veering into outright fantasy and personal psychodrama.

It’s perhaps significant that many commentators were so keen to point the finger of blame at “the West”, they simply ignored other, non-Western, victims of jihadist terrorism – including Hindus, Buddhists and, of course, reformist Muslims. Apparently, it was all about “us” and how terrible “we” are – which suggests a kind of masochistic narcissism.

Horace Dunn

Masochistic narcissism is a good way of putting it, David. But maybe the masochistic bit is stretching it a little.

It seems to me that the Guardianistas about whom you speak, don’t really believe that radical Islam will make any significant advances. Perhaps they are right to think this. Either way, all these liberated women, proud atheists, out-and-proud homosexuals etc etc. can’t conceive of a day when they’ll have to submit to any beastliness. Besides, given what they’ve suffered under the jackboot of George Bush in his campaign for world domination, a little bit of Sharia will seem like a picnic.

Of course, where this leaves women, atheists, homosexuals etc etc. in other parts of the world is a different question, but doubtless their suffering is George Bush’s fault too.

No, I don’t think they’re Masochistic. Narcissistic, certainly. Condescending, too. Sometimes it is difficult to believe that they are not racist. White thugs beating up immigrants are never deemed to have been driven to their actions by immigration policy. But surely immigration policy is a recruiting sergeant for the BNP. It will be interesting to see how Bunting and Co change their tune as more and more terrorist attacks (or attempted attacks) involve white European converts to Islam.



“But maybe the masochistic bit is stretching it a little.”

Well, maybe. But for some commentators, disdain for one’s own culture and its products has become a badge of merit – an affectation taken to extremes by, among others, Bunting, Milne and Fisk. And, in this regard, the line between “It’s all our fault” and “It’s all about me” sometimes seems awfully thin.


In other news…

“Riyadh ul Haq, who supports armed jihad and preaches contempt for Jews, Christians and Hindus, is in line to become the spiritual leader of the Deobandi sect in Britain. The ultra-conservative movement, which gave birth to the Taliban in Afghanistan, now runs more than 600 of Britain’s 1,350 mosques, according to a police report seen by The Times…

Seventeen of Britain’s 26 Islamic seminaries are run by Deobandis and they produce 80 per cent of home-trained Muslim clerics. Many had their studies funded by local education authority grants. The sect, which has significant representation on the Muslim Council of Britain, is at its strongest in the towns and cities of the Midlands and northern England. Figures supplied to The Times by the Lancashire Council of Mosques reveal that 59 of the 75 mosques in five towns – Blackburn, Bolton, Preston, Oldham and Burnley – are Deobandi-run…

Mr ul Haq, the most high-profile of the new generation of Deobandis, runs an Islamic academy in Leicester and is the former imam at the Birmingham Central Mosque. Revered by many young Muslims, he draws on his extensive knowledge of the Qur’an and the life and sayings of the prophet Muhammad to justify his hostility to the kuffar, or non-Muslims.”


Horace Dunn


You said "Well, maybe. But for some commentators, disdain for one’s own culture and its products has become a badge of merit – an affectation taken to extremes by, among others, Bunting, Milne and Fisk. And, in this regard, the line between “It’s all our fault” and “It’s all about me” sometimes seems awfully thin."

I agree totally. The narcissism isn't in question. But don't you think that these people, were they to suppose for one moment that their support for jihadist lunatics would affect their comfortable life-styles, would run a mile? That's why I question the masochistic element that you've introduced (leaving aside Fisk, of course). These people don't expect punishment, or even privation. They are merely relishing the luxury of being able to wag their superior, multicultural fingers at the rest of us, secure in the knowledge that their lives will remain undisturbed.



Well, it seems a tricky manoeuvre to habitually disdain the basis of one’s own livelihood, freedom and status – as a high-profile Guardian columnist, for instance – while maintaining one’s personal self-esteem. I agree that the sanctimonious tone is hard to miss, as is the assumption of a double standard, but the contradiction remains. Today, for instance, Madeleine Bunting has voiced her anxieties regarding the tendency of people to reproduce:

“Does the UK need population management? Does the world need it? This is one of those issues that is regarded by many privately as common sense but rarely gets a public airing… There's no point giving up your meat and your car, recycling your rubbish and producing lots of children.”


It isn’t clear to me whether this ominous message has any consequences for Ms Bunting herself, or her own children. Though others making similar noises – most notably white, middle-class leftists, have actually thrown themselves on the rhetorical rocks:

“Does the world really need more middle-class white babies?”


And a general air of displaced self-loathing isn’t exactly hard to find. Oliver “laughing boy” James is particularly good at this:


Though, again, it isn’t clear whether the “us” Mr James refers to actually includes himself.


Oliver James: "...my analysis reveals that over a 12-month period nearly one quarter (23%) of English speakers suffered (mental illness), compared with 11% of mainland western Europeans...What explains such a massive difference?"

Uh, self reporting?

No. Mental illness is caused by "selfish capitalism" and "privatization of public utilities" and "suppression of unions" and "very low taxation for the rich..."

Wow. You know, David, when I ponder the extent to which the Guardian's contributors are representatives of the left -- in other words, politically armed -- their collective psychology seems ominous. It's as if their milieu's constant, blithe use of sociological terms has resulted in a pathological inability to understand that the world at large, and the terminology they use to describe it are two different things.

They seem to earnestly believe that by maneuvering words and terms -- "people of the world" -- they can maneuver the millions the terms describe -- "People of the world, it's time to get paid"(ICBR) -- as if epic-scale humanity is comprised of board-game pieces. Or concomitantly, as in the case of Sarah Churchwell, that a sociological-scale group is, by virtue of her having a word for it, an actual, singular organic entity acting in concert to oppress her personally: "Society needs to stop telling me to turn myself into a mother just because it can't imagine that I might be..."

John Reid, who edges into Jimmy Jones territory, fairly pounds the board-game pieces with his fists: "The most human way to achieve a reduction in the human population would be for people to voluntarily stop breeding, but this would never happen..."

The humane option -- which would entail the rest of us existing outside of his grand plans for us -- is off the table. Must go on: "The next most human way to reduce the population might be to put something in the water, a virus that would be specific to the human reproductive system and would make a substantial proportion of the population infertile. Perhaps a virus that would knock out the genes that..."

We'll meet again
don't know where,
don't know when,
but I know we'll meet again
some sunny daaay....

Bunting asks with a straight face if it's perhaps not the case that the *US and the Vatican* have "managed to bully" environmental groups into an "awkward silence" on the critically important necessity of, in effect, state control of creation, biology and the ancient covenant between parents and children. Do you think maybe, when she talks about the Vatican bullying environmentalists into silence, she's joking? I kinda hope so. Otherwise...



“…when I ponder the extent to which the Guardian's contributors are representatives of the left…”

In fairness, some of the finest scorn for this kind of thing comes from a handful of left-leaning blogs. But this kind of agonising (or pseudo-agonising) is nonetheless now part of mainstream leftist thought. Bunting, of course, is granted centre stage in the mainstream organ of the British left, as are many of those who share her pain; strangely, her critics on the left are rarely granted that honour.

“Do you think maybe… she's joking?”

A feature of Maddy’s outpourings is that it’s very tempting to assume she isn’t being serious, even when she is. Another feature of her outpourings is a distinct lack of humour, which may relate to my previous sentence.


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