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March 16, 2008

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pwyll

Wow. Well said.

Tea

There has been no such thing as Czechoslovakia for over 15 years now :)

David

Oops. Corrected. Thanks.

Rob Crawford

Don't forget there's a specific "Islamic Declaration of Human Rights" that reiterates the same rights as the Universal Declaration, then slaps the caveat "except where sharia says otherwise" at the end. They've been playing this game for decades.

Enoch_Root

the Profit (may a goat crap on his head) can suck my nads. these lightweights are living in the 6th century. it's like thawing a block of ice only to find a bunch of half-witted bipeds... a time-capsule of ignorance, the islamic culture is...

Spiny Norman

“I don’t think freedom of expression should mean freedom from blasphemy,”

Really?

No, Mr Chairman, that is precisely the sort of freedom of expression that is being protected.

Alcuin

A "vain and murderous Bedouin" ... ? Don't sugar coat it, David, give it to them straight. Spot on, by the way.

John West

"The report urges the creation of a “legal instrument” to crack down on defamation of Islam… “In our relation with the western world, we are going through a difficult time,”"

What a coincidence, the Western World (Most of the rest of the world too actually) is going through a difficult time in our relationship with Islam, they keep trying to blow us up.

David

Alcuin,

“A ‘vain and murderous Bedouin’...? Don’t sugar coat it, David, give it to them straight.”

Well, if you accept the first lie – i.e. that Muhammad was gorged on Allah’s teat – a hundred other lies will follow in short order. It then becomes quite difficult to be realistic about the problem. Hence the insane, circular arguments of the OIC and most other Islamic organisations.

TDK

"A ‘vain and murderous Bedouin’...? Don’t sugar coat it, David, give it to them straight."

It's important to distinguish between

a. Was Mohamed a 'vain and murderous Bedouin'?
b. Is it permissible to ask if Mohamed was a 'vain and murderous Bedouin'?

I would say yes to both but I would only expect a Muslim to answer yes to the second.

Lovernios

“There can be no freedom without limits.”

Yes, that's the ticket, limited freedom. And of course, the Islamic despots get to set those limits.

David

TDK,

“I would say yes to both but I would only expect a Muslim to answer yes to the second.”

Well, there does appear to be a third option. There are believers who don’t try to sanitise or ignore Muhammad’s later career - when he was in a position of strength and violence was an option - and some revel in it. In a way, this is perhaps the most remarkable approach, in a psychiatric sense, though it’s also the most dangerous and morally disturbed.

If you want to understand why, for instance, radicalised schoolchildren in Lahore promise to “sacrifice their lives” (i.e. as ‘martyrs’) to kill the Danish cartoonists – “for the love of our Holy Prophet” – then it helps to understand how *they* understand Muhammad. Specifically, how the students sacralise Muhammad’s own violence and intolerance of criticism. Rationalising despotism and hair-trigger sadism is a curious exercise, but one that’s common among Islamist organisations. Indeed, it’s difficult to read the most credible accounts of Muhammad’s later life, by Muslims of the period, without one’s moral compass being jarred by what’s actually being championed as piety. Arguably, Muhammad’s behaviour may have been pretty normative for the time, but as yardsticks of virtue for modern believers, piracy, deception and slaughter aren’t the best inspirations for impressionable minds.

steveaz

Ooohh! I'm scared...that "Muslim World" is such a big scary Boogey-man who's gonna eat you...if you don't stop calling him names!

Gee whiz!

No matter whether it's the "Muslim World," or the "Arab Street," that Islamic politicians (and Leftists) incessantly invoke, neither one is a quantifiable, poll-able demographic, and neither one should scare anyone.

This is classic totalitarianism on display: Islamic leaders suppress the development of a free press and stunt the growth of civil societies in their nations, purposefully so that they can wield this unquantified "ghost constituency" with out rebuttal on the world stage.

When Jakarta's social engineers can produce an accurate census of Java's inhabitants, then (and only then) I will consider an Indonesian politician's sampling of the "Muslims World" next to Gallup's or Brietbart's latest Obama/Hillary poll-product.

But, not before.

Lovernios

Doesn't this adoration for Mohammed border on blasphemy? It's hard to discern Allah with all this outrage over the "disrespect" of his "prophet"?

DP111

In an attempt to prevent any criticism of Islam, Muslims have come up with a ploy to stop criticism of all religions. However, in what is delicious irony, Muslims themselves have rejected any such proposal
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The Saudi Shura council rejected an international recommendation to criminalize offences against all religions, stressing that the suggestion would imply the government's recognition of what it considered as pagan religions, media reports said Tuesday.

Some 77 of the 150 members of the Shura or consultative council, which has limited legislative rights, opposed the recommendation, while only 33 supported it.

The proposal states that the "Saudi Ministry of Foreign Affairs along with the Arab Islamic group of the United Nations will adopt an international recommendation that prohibits offence of all religions and religious figures by all means."

Talal Bakry, a Shura council member, opposed the move, saying that the recommendation means a full recognition of "the pagan religions" and thus will allow the establishment of non-monotheistic worship places in Muslim countries.

"This recommendation is a trap for the Muslim community, which can result in negative consequences on Muslims above all the others," Khalil al-Khalil, an opponent member, was quoted as saying in al-Watan Saudi newspaper.

http://news.trendaz.com/index.shtml?show=news&newsid=1159134&lang=EN

David

This seems relevant:

“I re-read a series of quotes in which Islamic leaders — as well as a young girl on Lebanese television — call for jihad, war, and death; and I pointed out… that he [a Muslim] must be quite angry at these Muslims for their incorrect [i.e. violent] view of jihad. But instead of being angry at those who give his presumably peaceful religion a bad name, he condemned *me* for reading their quotes. This is evasion par excellence — to condemn those who raise Islam’s violent past and present rather than have to face the fact that the vision of idyllic peace that one associates with one’s religion has no basis in reality…

Islamic governments, as ideological states founded on claims to divine revelation, must jail — or worse — those who speak out against the clerics. This was the thug’s ideal: In lieu of rationally demonstrating the ‘truth’ of his beliefs, he would criminalise me, or jail me, or perhaps kill me, to stop the spread of ideas contrary to his. In Iran, this ideal has already been achieved; there I would have been arrested, condemned, and thrown into solitary confinement. But in America, the thug’s ideal is frustrated; without the power of the law to silence me he was reduced to name-calling...”

http://theobjectivestandard.com/blog/2008/03/memoirs-of-criminal-mind-georgia-tech.asp

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