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December 29, 2008

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Midget Launcher

Genocide: "Laudable" and "compassionate".

Well, there you go.

Steve

"toxic nappy mountain". That image alone is enough to make you want to swear off parentiing.

Anna

"£500 pushchairs"? Wow.

David

“£500 pushchairs”?

It reminds me of when George Monbiot was praying for a recession and railing against the existence of jet skis and diamond saucepans. Perhaps such things are commonplace in Guardianista circles.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/oct/09/comment.economy

Wonder Woman

And to think we have 6 of the beastly little buggers in our house...and of course we used disposable diapers...and all those excessively packaged toys under the Christmas tree this year!!

For the LOVE OF ALL THAT IS GAYA...What kind of people are we??!

I'm going to have to implement a plan of systemic starvation in our household, to prove that I take my global responsibilities seriously.

Or maybe we'll just have another one.

All kidding aside, the only saving grace is that these people -- the flaming retards -- are the ones choosing not to breed. Making me question whether there really IS a God ;)

Anthony
[T]here is something magnificent about the thought of an entire species simply switching itself off, without violence or force of anything other than will, to make way for something more lasting.

Such as?

The fact is the whole planet is ultimately temporary. It will be destroyed when our sun turns into a red giant. They should put things in perspective, accept that mankind is part of nature, rather than ignorantly thinking they are separate from it, and relax. What will be will be.

David

“Such as?”

Well, exactly. What strikes me as peculiar is the idea of not having children supposedly to “make way for something more lasting” - and presumably more deserving. I’m not sure whether that “something” is meant to be a radically downsized humanity, suitably chastened and cleansed of evil consumerism, or just mites and algae.

Guy

"Such as?"

A biosphere the growth of an expendable element of which is threatening the stability of the whole.

As far as I understand it, genosuicide (or suigenocide? or is that the killing of a suigenosaurus?) would be like Captain Oates on the grandest scale.

Anyway, the article was a joke, more or less. Best wishes for the new year.

TDK

Considering nappies, DEFRA did a study.

"A government report that found old-fashioned reusable nappies damage the environment more than disposables"

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4969413.ece

Now, our Guardian writer doesn't specify the type of nappy mountain he is planning on building. Too much watching "Close Encounters" if you want my diagnosis, but I digress.

However for the benefit of Wonder Woman, I provide this information. I predict you will still be the target of sanctimonious religious preaching, but you can now respond with some facts.

carbon based lifeform

"As VHEMT Volunteers know, the hopeful alternative to the extinction of millions of species of plants and animals is the voluntary extinction of one species: Homo sapiens... us. Each time another one of us decides to not add another one of us to the burgeoning billions already squatting on this ravaged planet, another ray of hope shines through the gloom. When every human chooses to stop breeding, Earth's biosphere will be allowed to return to its former glory, and all remaining creatures will be free to live, die, evolve (if they believe in evolution), and will perhaps pass away, as so many of Nature's "experiments" have done throughout the eons. It's going to take all of us going."

http://www.vhemt.org/aboutvhemt.htm#vhemt

Oh sweet Jesus. Now we're "squatting" on "this ravaged planet".

David

Carbon,

I’ve been told I have a fairly sceptical view of human nature, but I struggle to empathise with a worldview that sees humanity as some kind of pestilence or “squatters” or “Humanus non gratis.” Or, as the “conservationist” Paul Watson puts it, “the AIDS of the Earth.” I guess this is where environmentalism becomes psychopathology.

Jason Bontrager

I really have to wonder how a group of VHEMts would react if someone walked into one of their meetings and started shooting them. Logically, they should cheer him on...

morbo

On the plus side, the VHEMT members won't be passing on their inhuman ideology and any genes that might have predisposed them to it on to their children. So yay for that at least.

David

A remarkable number of CiF commenters don’t seem troubled by the authoritarian implications of their opinions. Some are quite upfront: “If the question was ‘Do governments need to practice population control?’ then the answer would be an unequivocal YES.” Apparently, the prospect of some global eco-socialist dictatorship is a small price to pay. Basing whether or not to have children on some estimation of their future carbon footprint is boggling enough, but what if such calculation suggested it would be more “environmentally efficient” to restrict reproduction in other, less egalitarian, ways? What if it proved more “efficient” for one selected family to raise 3 children, rather than 3 families with one each?

TDK

"the prospect of some global eco-socialist dictatorship is a small price to pay."

Your average eco-warrior assumes that they are virtuous and hence will be part of the leadership. Ego or narcissism - you choose.

Unfortunately it's a truism about every revolution that plenty of clever people support the rise of the one true leader but then find themselves inexplicably facing their own show trial or night of the long knives. The poetic justice is only a minor consolation to those who foresaw the dictatorship.

Spiny Norman

Why does the Grauniad, and its cretinous loinfruit CiF, attract so many misanthropes?

Lovernios

David,

You've pointed out on numerous occasions the perverse death fetish lurking the the leftist heart. They seemingly have no problem with the "toxic mountain" of corpses they've produced, 100 million and counting.

David

Spiny,

“Why does the Grauniad, and its cretinous loinfruit CiF, attract so many misanthropes?”

It’s hard to be sure, but it seems to me that if your view of your own culture and its history is overwhelmingly negative and seen primarily in terms of oppression, exploitation or whatever, this can’t be entirely good for a person or their moral bearings. Such a worldview will attract and affirm a certain emotional posture – one that sees cultural self-loathing as a measure of sophistication and moral elevation. I’ve known people who regarded colonialism as an exclusively Western vice - as if no other cultures had indulged in it, often to a formidable extent – and as if it could never have had positive consequences. (But, to take an obvious example, imagine an alternative universe in which Britain had never been “visited” by the Romans. Would we, today, be better off?) A more recent twist to this outlook is the view that wanting to improve the lot of women in certain other cultures is “paternalistic” and thus malign.

There are those, for instance, who say:

“There is something inherently paternalistic in rescuing someone. There’s no avoiding this. And this is especially pernicious in the context where someone has been methodically and institutionally disempowered— ‘saving’ them, though well-intentioned, may change many circumstances but it unfortunately continues the pattern of disempowerment.”

http://crookedtimber.org/2008/12/28/we-will-kill-you-if-you-go-to-school/#comment-262134

Given the discussion from which the above is taken involves the Taliban’s threats to kill girls who go to school, fretting about the “inherent paternalism” of rescue seems a tad… indulgent. The commenter goes on to say, “I think [it’s] everyone’s duty to fight against injustice” and that we must “oppose those barriers which prevent Afghan women from empowering themselves.” Though how one might do this without seeming “paternalistic” isn’t entirely clear; and how the schoolgirls in question might go about empowering themselves against the Taliban, who have guns, is equally unobvious. (And if we’re going to insist on parental rhetoric, why not “maternal”? As someone else points out later in the thread: “When a female fire-fighter comes to my house and pulls me out of a fire is that ‘paternalistic’?”)

In many arguments of this kind the focus is on “our” alleged wickedness and/or malign impact rather than on the people whose lives may be improved by being more like us. (Wishing people to be more like us in certain ways, even if this would be enormously to their advantage, is apparently a terrible, terrible thing.) I suppose it’s what’s happens when a person has been exposed at length to a subset of leftist thinking - a kind of pathological vanity, in which “we” remain the centre of attention, albeit in the most unflattering of light.

Rob

"while vegan diets are a good thing"

Why are they a good thing? Granted, such a diet probably uses less 'resources' than a meat-rich diet. But he is comparing his diet against that of another human. His vegan diet undoubtedly uses more resources than, say, a mouse, so why should he hog the world's resources just to wallow in his own self-loathing? These fanatics don't view humans as superior to mice, so doesn't he feel guilt about this, and why doesn't he sacrifice himself for the greater good of mice, who are more worthy, not being white , western and middle-class.

Rob

"the only saving grace is that these people -- the flaming retards -- are the ones choosing not to breed"

Sadly, their lunacy is not genetic but is instead rammed into the heads of children via the education system they dominate.

It all boils down in the end to self-loathing and guilt. First it was about class, then it was about race, now it is about the species. Also, not one of these dishonest maniacs has ever explained how we are going to get countries like India, China etc to reduce their consumerism and consumption. Their only idea seems to be inspiring them via our own suicide.

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