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May 07, 2014

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Nikw211

*Sigh*

svh

It's a doublefacepalm moment.

sackcloth and ashes

If stupidity could be weaponised this comment would level a city.

David

It’s a doublefacepalm moment.

But not, I think, unheard of.

Steve 2: Steveageddon

Oh dear.

Does she teach one of the comedy subjects, like drama, geography, or R.E.?

Most of my teachers, if they let slip any political leanings at all, were what would now be called Old Labour. Although I didn't appreciate it at the time, they were also fiercely dedicated to maintaining the highest standards possible, sharpening our childish minds so we could think for ourselves. You were often encouraged to express an opinion, but they'd make you back it up with facts and logic or suffer withering mockery. Trying to tell Sir what you thought he wanted to hear was a bad idea, they hated suck-ups.

Another thing the older chaps who taught me hated was Communism. They might have been solid Labour and Trades Union supporters, but they were also patriotic Britons who were under no illusions about how lucky we were to live in a free country. They made no excuses for the Soviet monstrosity that we all half-expected to launch its nukes against us one day. The crimes of Stalin weren't glossed over as an abberation in History class.

As a child, I didn't understand why Communism, that had promised so much, quickly progressed to gulags and ethnic cleansing and mass starvation. My teacher told me flatly it was because Communism is incompatible with human nature.

Looking at this sad crop of modern teachers, who I suspect are better paid and more cosseted than the cantankerous old coves who dragged me into the light of knowledge, I can't help but think Pink Floyd were surprisingly prescient.

I bet Miss Barlow poses as a "friend" to her pupils. The crap ones usually do.

Baz

Oooh, stupidity on Twitter? Here's a classic: https://twitter.com/thetwerkinggirl/status/463671169330470913

Islam isn't a race, and simultaneously Islamophobia is racism. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

ac1

It's why I never shorten "National Socialism" to Nazi.

Thornavis.

Given her claim to be Green as well as left I wonder if her depressing historical ignorance extends to the history of the Green movement ? I expect so, it usually does or is brushed aside in much the same way as the Socialist part of National Socialism is disregarded by the left. Is she aware for instance of the direct links between Fascist agrarian thinking and Green philosophy ? To take an example from the period in question, there is Jorian Jenks, a leading member of the BUF, interred during the war and subsequently a key player in the establishment of the Soil Association.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Then: "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

Now: "Those who do not remember the past just make crap up."

John D

Those lucky Australian schoolkids.

sk60

So the socialism (collectivism), fascism (collectivism) and racism (collectivism) were all just a front for "the blood lust of unfettered capitalism"?

Craig Mc

FB was one of the rusted-on commenters at the late Lavartus Prodeo blog (or "Lavatory Pronto" to others). I'm surprised she can limit herself to 140 characters. If she limited her life's output to 140 characters everyone would be better off. Nothing would make me work harder to pay private school fees than the thought of a Fran teaching at my local government high school.

Scroll through the posts/comments to see, until last year, state of the art left-wing intellect in Australia. Sad, innit? Oh so pedestrian, and so easily led by the focus-tested, ideological PR du jour ("misogyny" anyone?).

In particular, watch the pretzel-twisting post-facto justifications whenever each Labor prime minister's incompetence got too much even for the party. Messiahs right up until the moment they're deposed, then they're anti-christs. Orwell couldn't dream of better proles. These are the exact people who considered we had a great government these last six years.

Fortunately for the country's sake, they're fucking miserable now.

sackcloth and ashes

Talking of Green stupidity, I am reminded of this gem - 'Of necessity, industrialism begets belligerence' - which is a quote taken from Jonathan Porritt, 'Seeing green: the politics of ecology explained' (Oxford: Blackwell, 1984), 160–1.

That's right, Jonathan. Because we all know that the pre-industrial era of human history was a peaceful one. You cock.

matt

Please, people, have some sympathy for Fran because it's quite hard to find things out about Nazi Germany, Hitler and World War II. There really is scant historical study of this relatively minor regional conflict in the mid-twentieth century. There's not a lot to be found in libraries or on the Internet that could help answer questions about the politics of the key nations or German industrial policy from 1933-45.

Orwell couldn't dream of better proles I'll be using that!

Paul

Fran Barlow is, as we speak, slowly being dismantled on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/fran_b__/status/463779595825598464

It's somewhat encouraging that the general consensus in the follow up tweets is that she doesn't have the first clue of what she is talking about.

Of course it's equally discouraging people like this are teaching in schools.

And yes, she's actually calling on Michael Moore for backup.

Chris N

I heartily join Ms. Barlow's watermelon revolution to overthrow the capitalist pig-dog Hitler.

Red & Green
Stop & Go
What can it all mean
Ms. Barlow?

Jon Powers

Does she think WW2 only involved Russia and Germany? I had thought a few of the countries that pitched in to help were also capitalist. Also, thank God Germany is no longer capitalist. Otherwise, who knows what evil they'd get up to!

Jonathan

Fran could take a guess at who said this:
"We are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions."

Was it -
a) Karl Marx
b) Neil Kinnock
c) Adolf Hitler

Naturally, well informed readers of Davids esteemed organ will probably guess, correctly, that it was c) Adolf Hitler. Ah well, I suppose ignorance of the facts is pretty much par for the course on the left.

Steve 2: Steveageddon

Sackcloth and ashes - you mean, The Hon. Sir Jonathon Espie Porritt, 2nd Baronet, CBE?

I wonder how many serfs and peasants he envisages toiling on his estates and fearfully doffing their ragged caps as his coach rattles by if it weren't for the blasted industrial revolution.

Craig Mc - National stereotypes die hard.

Many people still think of Australia as a terrifying wasteland full of muscular, drunk guys called Bruce with corks dangling from their hats, Max Rockatansky, Aborigines chucking boomerangs at feral kangaroos, giant spiders, convicts, and Mrs Mangel.

And yes, there's that. But there's also confused urban trendies, confused eco-warriors, confused lefties who think Australia should be more like Vietnam, confused righties who think Australia is a giant playschool that needs its internet access censored, and confused white people who think they're aborigines.

I'm not judging our alcoholic colonial convict cousins. I'd be confused too if my toilet flushed the wrong way and there was a chance of being mauled by a gang of vicious, man-eating koalas every time I stepped outside my shack.


Paul - "And yes, she's actually calling on Michael Moore for backup."

To the food truck!

Peter Risdon

I just had a nice long chat with her. Atlee and Orwell were both right wing. She talks of the 'democratic socialist right', putting the 'moron' into 'oxymoron.

David

I just had a nice long chat with her. Attlee and Orwell were both right wing.

Yes, but Peter, “as an opponent of equitable collaboration, your pleading is tainted.” I really should follow your Twitter spats more often.

Peter Risdon

Yes, wasn't that glorious? I might adopt it as my strapline.

David

I can’t help wondering what the parents whose children Ms Barlow is paid to educate would make of her timeline and comments elsewhere. On one blog she objects to being described as “far left” while saying she prefers outright communists – would-be totalitarians - to elected mainstream conservatives. Though amid the mental car crash there is some inadvertent comedy, as when she says, rather loftily, “I’m a teacher and I correct people when they are wrong.”

Peter Risdon

She's fabulous, in a rather unpleasant way. The guy joining in the conversation is a very nice bloke who as a leftist finds her completely absurd. Green politics seem to be a way of making crazily extreme totalitarians feel wholesome.

Sam Duncan

“Naturally, well informed readers of Davids esteemed organ will probably guess, correctly, that it was c) Adolf Hitler.”

Ah, yes, but he was lying to cover up his true far-right ambitions. Or something.

Heads I win, tails you're evil.

Anna

equitable collaboration,

Because the word 'totalitarianism' usually puts people off.

Rafi

Green politics seem to be a way of making crazily extreme totalitarians feel wholesome.

Exactly the people you want educating young kids.

Hal

Messiahs right up until the moment they're deposed, then they're anti-christs. Orwell couldn't dream of better proles.

and

Orwell couldn't dream of better proles I'll be using that!

Careful, there . . speaking of accuracy, that's not the proles, that's the party members.

From a fast wiki quote; In Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, proles (collective noun) refers to the working class of Oceania (i.e. the proletariat).

Oceania's society is divided into three distinct classes: Inner Party, Outer Party and proles

. . . . where it's definitely the party members who do the instant 180, with the scene of the changeover occurring right in mid rally . . .

Spruance

"Naturally, well informed readers of Davids esteemed organ will probably guess, correctly, that it was c) Adolf Hitler."

Jonathan, this may well be the true reason why Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is nearly totally banned in Germany. The fact, that his party called herself National Socialists, may be simply too uncomfortable to the powers that be (or want to be). Exposing someone to that rhethoric will produce another firmly convinced believer in the Totalitarism Theory, which hardly knows a difference between the so called extremities of the political spectrum.

David Gillies

Never mind Nazism, which was sui generis. Better to ask the provenance of fascism qua fascism, which was much more orthodox in Mussolini's Italy (of course) and in, say, Hungary under Horthy. Was this odious system of government an efflorescence of socialism? Why yes, yes it was. Mussolini, ridiculous little popinjay though he may seen to modern eyes, was a very serious scholar of socialism and heaped with garlands for his grasp of the subject in the earliest parts of the 20th C.. As fascism struck off on a slightly different path it naturally provoked hostility from those it had left behind, but fascism and Internationalist socialism were more like estranged siblings than cousins even. Of course if Fran Barlow thought to read around the subject rather than reflexively spouting off doctrinaire inanities she might find this out for herself.

rabbit

It's an interesting phenomenon that countries based on free enterprize, individual liberty, and democracy almost never go to war with each other.

You would think that progressives would celebrate what appears to be a solution to international conflict.

Would't you?

Rich Rostrom

Fascism was a splinter of the "revolutionary" movement. It was not much influenced by the economic ideas which were central to socialism, but it was driven by the same messianic tear-the-world-down-and-rebuild-it impulse as socialism and anarchism.

Socialism and fascism both attracted and justified extreme authoritarians. Fascism did not dismantle capitalism as socialism did, but it certainly fettered it.


Steve 2: Steveageddon | May 07, 2014 at 11:39: Another thing the older chaps who taught me hated was Communism. They might have been solid Labour and Trades Union supporters, but... The crimes of Stalin weren't glossed over...

When was this? Because Arthur Scargill, one of the most important traditional British trades union figures, was and remains to this day an open admirer of Stalin.

Hal

When was this? Because Arthur Scargill,. . . .

Weeeellll . . . While I'm recognizing the name even from this side of the pond, the description of . . . Another thing the older chaps who taught me hated was Communism. They might have been solid Labour and Trades Union supporters, but... . . I'm tending to rather suspect that comrade Scargill may have been a bit rabid, but some number of the union members may not have automatically been that way . . .

Dom

Thanks for the comment, Rich, but you might be missing something that is important to the discussion. Hayek's description of a free economy, and his emphasis on liberty, was, in large part, a reaction to fascism and socialism, which he believed would always end up as a dictatorship, regardless of it's original intentions. We see that sometimes, eg, Cuba and now Venezuela. But not elsewhere, eg, the more socialistic countries of Western Europe. Regardless, what makes fascism fascism is the lack of a free market.

Squires

"You would think that progressives would celebrate what appears to be a solution to international conflict."

Not if it doesn't give them license.

"But not elsewhere, eg, the more socialistic countries of Western Europe."

Yet.

WTP

describes herself as a "green and left wing school teacher". Maybe she means "green" as in young and naive?

David

It’s somewhat encouraging that the general consensus in the follow up tweets is that she doesn’t have the first clue of what she is talking about.

And yet faced with repeated correction from across the political spectrum, Ms Barlow doubled down on her error and dismissed her critics as (among other things) “opponents of equitable collaboration.” Say, Maoism and such. This went on for some time, several hours. Now she’s retweeting Tanya Gold’s latest article - unironically – which doesn’t exactly demonstrate great critical wherewithal.

Though I was cheered up immensely by someone’s use of the word dolt, as in “you fucking dolt.” Good word, that, and much underused.

Mr. Saturn

That woman is willing to jump through flaming hoops isn't she? It would almost admirably if she wasn't so damned repugnant.

Craig Mc

"Now she’s retweeting Tanya Gold’s latest article - unironically – which doesn’t exactly demonstrate great critical wherewithal."

Needless to say, she's also a Laurie Penny fan.

Nube

Let me get this straight. Clement Attlee was actually right wing not socialist at all, National Socialism was actually 'unfettered capitalism', America is worse than communism, and this woman says she's *not* a far left nutter? Wow.

Karen M

My grandfather would be surprised to hear that WWII was the Allies' war against 'the blood lust of unfettered capitalism'. I pity the kids she teaches.

David

My grandfather would be surprised to hear that WWII was the Allies’ war against ‘the blood lust of unfettered capitalism’.

I suppose you have to bear in mind just how politically conformist and intellectually degraded teacher training can be. If the gateway to teaching is controlled by dogmatic idiots who like their questions begged, she’s the kind of end product you’d pretty much expect.

Jonathan

Dom,
Hayek also noted, with some amusement, how interchangeable the membership of the Austrian Nazi and Communist parties were. Here's what he thought of National Socialism in 1933:

http://carrefoursagesse.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/friedrich-von-hayek-nazism-is-socialism/

Steve 2: Steveageddon

Rich - what Hal said.

It was in the 80's. Yes, Scargill was a household name at the time, but I think over the years as the miners strike has faded from recent memory we tend to recall it as more of a simplistic Thatcher v Scargill/The Unions fight than it actually was. A lot of lefties hated Thatcher but still weren't impressed with Scargill and his tactics.

People tend to forget that Scargill was considered extreme by a lot of trade unionists outside the NUM, and even by a not insignificant proportion of miners.

You may recall that Neil Kinnock wasn't a Scargill fan, and he also suffered from the shenanigans of militant Trots and other weird and wacky sects of Leninists, Marxists, Marxist-Leninists, John Lennonists, the Raving Monster Leninists, and I Can't Believe They're Not Leninists.

The Left has never been monolithic, it's more an ideological potpourri of competing and sometimes hilarious value systems. There's no particular reason why a middle aged physics teacher would necessarily agree with a police-baiting communist trade unionist or the race-obsessed intersectional narcissists on Twitter.

jones

She is very very pretty though.

Does that mitigate the stupidity?

Dom

Jonathan, thanks for the article. I never saw it before.

David

Does that mitigate the stupidity?

Not in this parish.

Jonathan

It just goes to show that being good looking is no guarantee of being a good person. We'll just have to hope that she doesn't push any of her idiotic ideology in the classroom.

David

This, um, incident may amuse. Sound essential. Via Kate.

Steve 2: Steveageddon

Jones - All women are beautiful, in every single way. Words can't bring them down.

Except Christina Aguilera. She looks like she'd kill passing butterflies with the noxious strength of her perfume, and leave a sticky flesh-melting residue of foundation and bronzer on you if you touched her. She makes Medusa seem like a nice girl you'd be happy to snog at the disco while her snakes were momentarily pacified by Babycham and the music of Five Star.

So all women are beautiful, unless they're Christina Aguilera or have sideburns or are Myra Hindley. Or are those fake women who used to be men. They don't all have big Adam's Apples you know. I've been fooled before. :(

Intelligence is vastly overrated. How many smart people do you know who are truly happy? To be clever is to be cursed with knowing how awful things are, and being unable to find true solace in the 30 year old VHS clips of fat people falling into swimming pools on You've Been Framed.

Worse, being somewhat clever lulls you into a false sense of your own cleverness. Which means clever people often do more stupid things than stupid people would ever contemplate.

Take eating afterbirths for example. Do you think your average slack-jawed Charlie Beerfanny, on seeing his red-faced and screaming wife expel a quivering mass of bloody human flesh from her poor aching lady place, would pick up a knife and fork and say "yum!"?

NO! It takes a special type of educated idiocy to fall for postnatal nom noms. You have to be smart enough to fall for art criticism to pay good money to see a Damian Hirst or Tracy Emin work. You need to be reasonably literate before you make an awful soul-crushing mistake like buying the Guardian or enrolling in a Womens Studies degree.

To my simple mind, two of the most unassumingly intelligent people around are David Beckham and Posh Spice. A lot of people mock them, but those people are jealous idiots, and here's why:

David Beckham's only marketable skills involve kicking a football and looking good in his pants. Posh Spice can't sing and wasn't even the best looking one in the Spice Girls, and they were a rough looking bunch you wouldn't have spared more than a passing glance if you saw them drunkenly being ejected from a Wetherspoons on a hen night.

The Beckhams have taken their modest abilities and parlayed them into global fame and vast fortune. They have four beautiful children who want for nothing. They get to meet queens and presidents and movie stars and have their own charity.

In the parable of the talents, the Beckhams are winning. I bet that guy in the bible didn't launch his own brand of aftershave.

The lesson is clear: intellect is the funkiller.

So Miss Barlow is probably very happy. She looks like the sort of carefree girl who farts in the bath and giggles at her own bubbly wit. I envy her.

sk60

This, um, incident may amuse. Sound essential.

That's so many kinds of funny.

David

That’s so many kinds of funny.

It does rather illustrate a not uncommon tendency among such people. I mean, you could of course just ignore the loon with the placard, with its warning for “masturbators, drunkards, fornicators and homosexuals.” Or you might find him amusing or surreal, or tragic, or whatever. If sufficiently peeved by his existence, I suppose you could offer a gesture of disdain as you walk by on your way to doing something more important. But instead the screeching, braying student decides to assault the man, repeatedly. And is then outraged - scandalised - when his own criminal action is interrupted. By someone showing more restraint than I think many would.

And you have to wonder how the little Social Justice Warrior would have behaved if a similar placard were being held by a bearded adherent of another religion.

Jonathan

"This, um, incident may amuse"

Hilarious. I'm coming to the conclusion that leftists are in an arrested state of emotional development. Their perpetual cries of " It's not fair" or " I want, I want" are what you'd expect of a 13 year old, not an adult, although " It's fucking offensive" guy looks like he might be about 18-20.

sackcloth and ashes

'Yes, Scargill was a household name at the time, but I think over the years as the miners strike has faded from recent memory we tend to recall it as more of a simplistic Thatcher v Scargill/The Unions fight than it actually was. A lot of lefties hated Thatcher but still weren't impressed with Scargill and his tactics'.

If even the Communist Party of Great Britain thinks you're a loon, you most probably are.

Needless to say, Scargill (who in his youth was one of the few people to openly approve of the Soviet suppression of the 1956 Hungarian rising) thought that the CPGB were sell-outs.

Jonathan

Or, to put it another way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAKG-kbKeIo

Anna

This, um, incident may amuse.

It did. ;D

BWAAAH! GAAAH! YOU BITCH!!!

How DARE anyone stop pterodactyl boy's violent tantrum?!

David

How DARE anyone stop pterodactyl boy’s violent tantrum?!

The arrogance is extraordinary. In protest at not being allowed to physically attack someone, he actually brays like a donkey. I half expected him to start throwing faeces.

Steve 2: Steveageddon

sackcloth and ashes - To be fair, it was akways obvious that Arthur Scargill was a deluded sociopath who viewed normal folks with contempt.

How else to explain why he thought that we thought he had hair? That comb over was the most insulting disguise since Superman said "feck it, I'll just chuck on a pair of specs. They'll never suspect a thing."

David - "I half expected him to start throwing faeces."

Andi's law: the longer a comments thread, the greater the chance of the conversation coming round to chimping.

abacab

Scargill never wavered in his belief that he was going to be first dictator of the United Socialist Kingdom. He even released transitional arrangements: day 1 seize all media outlets for the people.

I, for one, am glad he was wrong.

Andi Lucas

Andi's law: the longer a comments thread, the greater the chance of the conversation coming round to chimping.

I'm honoured, no-one's ever named a Law of the Internet after me before. Admittedly this has only happened with one thread here to date... oh, make that two now.

David

In seven years of doing this I’ve learned many things from my readers. Though few stick in the mind quite as vividly as the meaning of the word chimping.

zeppo_shemp

In The Faces of Janus: Marxism And Fascism In The Twentieth Century James A. MacGregor explained how lots of the "fascists-are-capitalists" propaganda originated from the Communist International. For decades, representatives of the Comintern attempted to cast fascists in the worst possible light (at least according to their ideology, which regarded capitalism was the root of all evil). The fascists were in fact friendlier to capitalism than the communists were, but still tended towards a great deal of price fixing and other regulation by intellectuals promoting their pet theories.

And to quote Luwig von Mises on the reason German capitalists tended to support the National Socialists (a fact sized upon by communists and fellow travelers as proof of the capitalist roots of fascism):

"German workers are the most reliable supporters of the Hitler regime. Nazism has won them over completely by eliminating unemployment and by reducing the entrepreneurs to the status of shop managers (Betriebsführer) [who must follow Nazi directives if they wish to stay in business]. Big business, shopkeepers, and peasants are disappointed. Labor is well satisfied and will stand by Hitler, unless the war takes a turn which would destroy their hope for a better life after the [Molotov-Ribbentrop] peace treaty. Only military reverses can deprive Hitler of the backing of the German workers.

"The fact that the capitalists and entrepreneurs, faced with the alternative of Communism or Nazism, chose the latter, does not require any further explanation. They preferred to live as shop managers under Hitler than to be "liquidated" as "bourgeois" by Stalin. Capitalists don't like to be killed any more than other people do." Interventionism: An Economic Analysis (1940)

Jeff Wood

Zeppo, that all sounds about right.

Just to add, long before the Interwebs were invented so I don't have a link, I read some reminiscences by an old nazi, collected by a journalist.

This chap was a veteran of streetfights in both Munich and Berlin. He explained that he and his comrades used to kidnap communists and hold them in isolation for a while. After a bit of softening up, they "appealed to the Reds' conscience", a mixture of more softening and political argument.

He recalled that very soon they were able to go easy with the softening up, because the two sides had so much common ground, revealed by the political argument. Result: a new recruit.

Quite a few of the SturmAbteilung (SA) were converted commies, consciously socialist.

Communists, Nazis. Same bird, different feather.

Michael

My god Fran is a moron. How does she miss the Socialism in National Socialism?

dicentra

Insta- Insta- LANCH LANCH LANCH!

DonM

If you have two cows:
If the government takes them and promises to give you milk, that is Communism.
If the government takes them and promises to sellyou milk, that is Facism.
If the government kills you and steals the cows, that is Nazism.
If the government takes one and gives one to your lazy neighbor, that is Socialism.
If you shoot the government agent, and steal another cow, that is Anarchism.
If you sell one cow and buy a bull, that is Capitalism.

We need just enough anarchism so that Capitalism is free to do its good work.

David

Insta- Insta- LANCH LANCH LANCH!

Quick, put some coasters out. And hand me that tie.

sackcloth and ashes

'To be fair, it was always obvious that Arthur Scargill was a deluded sociopath who viewed normal folks with contempt'.

Unfortunately not. He is still a folk hero, not just the usual cockends like Owen Jones and the Farringdon Road Massive, but quite a few inhabitants of old mining communities who do not understand that he was their worst enemy.

I do feel genuine sympathy for the latter, as they're almost like the inhabitants of Jonestown. The only difference is that Scargill didn't actually require them to actually commit suicide.

Paul Hacker

Ok. so she didn't know what the word NAZI stood for.

Didn't know it was capitalist America that stood up against Socialist Nazis.

But at least she didn't misspell any words.

That is more than you can expect from most teachers today.

Taylor Lake

Standard leftist methodology:

1. "I'm a greenie and a leftist;
2. I hate capitalism;
3. Nazis were bad;
4. The Soviets carried the lion's share of the burden against the Nazis;
5. The Soviets were Communists, so they were good;
6. Since Communism defeated Nazism, good defeated bad;
7. Therefore, capitalists must be Nazis.

Spoons perceiving the taste of food is how leftists handle "logic."

The Sanity Inspector

The communists took their capitalists out to be shot. The nazis took their capitalists out to lunch, where it was explained to them that henceforth they would follow orders or be shot.

dicentra

Ok. so she didn't know what the word NAZI stood for.

She knows that it stands for "National Socialist" but denies that the label "socialist" makes them socialist.

Which, fair enough. Anyone can name themselves anything without the label being accurate.

But the nit-picking that it requires to look at the NAZIs as uniquely bad in ways that the socialists weren't — that's a very long trip down the big Egyptian river.

Blacque Jacques Shellacque

"...and leftwing schoolteacher.”

Declaring her political orientation outright like that is rather convenient, but a person is unlikely to go wrong assuming that unless otherwise established, every teacher is a left-winger.

Gringo

Ok. so she didn't know what the word NAZI stood for....She knows that it stands for "National Socialist" but denies that the label "socialist" makes them socialist.Which, fair enough. Anyone can name themselves anything without the label being accurate.


Fair enough. But Fatuous Fran also refers to the Nazis' "unfettered capitalism," which is a grossly inaccurate description of the way the Nazis ran the economy. The "capitalism" of the Nazi regime was highly regulated, producing what the Nazi government wanted it to. Not unfettered at all.

writeby

Two myths: The Nazis were capitalists & atheistic.

"As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods.-Joseph Goebbels

"Gold is not necessary. I have no interest in gold. We will build a solid state, without an ounce of gold behind it. Anyone who sells above the set prices, let him be marched off to a concentration camp. That’s the bastion of money." --Adolf Hitler

"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice." --Adolf Hitler

"It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation; that the position of the individual ego is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation as a whole ... that above all the unity of a nation's spirit and will are worth far more than the freedom of the spirit and will of an individual...."

"This state of mind, which subordinates the interests of the ego to the conservation of the community, is really the first premise for every truly human culture.... The basic attitude from which such activity arises, we call-to distinguish it from egoism and selfishness-idealism. By this we understand only the individual's capacity to make sacrifices for the community, for his fellow men."

(Adolf Hitler speaking at Bueckeburg, Oct. 7, 1933; The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-39, ed. N.H. Baynes (2 vols., Oxford, 1942), I, 871-72; translation Professor George Reisman.)

The diff between fascism/Nazism & Marxism that the latter nationalizes all industry & business; the former allows it, assigning to businessmen all the responsibilities of production while the State retains all the privileges.

The source, though for all three, lies in Plato and the philosophy of Idealism:

"The best ordered state will be one in which the largest number of persons ... most nearly resembles a single person. The first and highest form of the State ... is a condition in which the private and the individual is altogether banished from life, and things which are by nature private, such as eyes and ears and hands, have become common, and in some way see and hear and act in common, and all men express praise and blame and feel joy and sorrow on the same occasion, and whatever laws there are unite the city to the utmost ..." (Plato's _Republic_ & _Laws_ c. 370 BCE)

w. burns

All I can say is THANK GOD Hitler decided to attend the premiere.

Craig Mc

"But at least she didn't misspell any words.

That is more than you can expect from most teachers today."

To be fair to FB, her grammar and spelling on the interwebz are exemplary (even if leaden). She's probably a very good English teacher.

Alec Rawls

Always good to remind people that the original communist term for communism was socialism. That is what Marx called it. That is what the Bolsheviks called it (the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics). The National Socialists weren't just socialists, they were communists, just like Stalin.

Many soft leftists today (mainstream Democrats) like to think of socialism as some kind of third way between totalitarian communism and classical liberalism, where you have socialism without the totalitarianism, but that is not the historic meaning of the term, and history shows quite clearly that no such 3rd way is possible. Wherever socialists gain power democratically it is the end of democracy and liberty from that point on.

Like the Islamists, socialists (like Obama) regard democracy as a train that you ride until you get where you get to your station (where you are in power), then you get off.

rob

In her defense Godwin's law has insured the internet is chock-full of meaningless NAZI references so who could possible know the truth about those fellows? I mean who could possible know anything about anything from the pre-internet days?

Despiser

If our founding fathers could have seen us today, they would have packed up, went back to England and apologized to the king.

Deserttrek

another reason why there should be a list, similar to sex offenders, so people like this can be fired and banned from any and all levels or interactions with education

Squires

Writeby, you seem to be confusing what Hitler said openly to a nation of Christians (especially before he had all their little chil'rens in his hands), with what he actually believed.

"Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers -already, you see, the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity! -then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism [Islam], that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so."

He liked to repeat that one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Germany#cite_note-10

It's still popular in certain circles:
http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f20/adolf-hitler-on-islam-and-the-muslims-16502-print/

And so on...
"I can imagine people being enthusiastic about the paradise of Mohammed, but as for the insipid paradise of the Christians! In your lifetime, you used to hear the music of Richard Wagner. After your death, it will be nothing but hallelujahs, the waving of palms, children of an age for the feeding bottle, and hoary old men. The man of the isles pays homage to the forces of nature. But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. A n***** with his taboos is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in transubstantiation."

And so on...
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it. The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science... The instructions of a hygienic nature that most religions gave, contributed to the foundation of organized communities. The precepts ordering people to wash, to avoid certain drinks, to fast at appointed dates, to take exercise, to rise with the sun, to climb to the top of the minaret — all these were obligations invented by intelligent people. The exhortation to fight courageously is also self-explanatory. Observe, by the way, that, as a corollary, the Moslem was promised a paradise peopled with sensual girls, where wine flowed in streams — a real earthly paradise. The Christians, on the other hand, declare themselves satisfied if after their death they are allowed to sing hallelujahs! ...Christianity, of course, has reached the peak of absurdity in this respect. And that's why one day its structure will collapse. Science has already impregnated humanity. Consequently, the more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler%27s_Table_Talk

Then there were some of the precious little ditties he had the blonde-haired youth singing; one is mentioned here:
http://www.aish.com/sem/wtj/84683857.html


The truth is, like Marx, like the various Soviet leaders, like Muhammad, like so much of the modern Left, Adolph Hitler despised that which did not give him license. A true and proper archist. And like the lot of them, he was also very good at smiling in your face, speaking sweet-sounding words, and pretending to be your friend - if it was of use to him at the time.

John Scotus

Spoken like a true Stalinist. As "Nazi" stands for "National Socialist Party", the chairman applauds your efforts to smear communism's left-wing foes by fraudulently linking them with the dark evils of capitalism. Your use of that vile capitalist propaganda machine called Twitter in order to promulgate the scientific truth of the communist dialectic must also be applauded. We do have issues with you, however. First, the smile in your profile picture. There is nothing funny about Marxist thought. This smile must be discarded. Second, is that western hair product you are using? It is certainly not on our approved list. When you come back to the motherland, we must have a chat about such things. But for now, goodbye, and keeping fighting the good fight comrade!

Thomas

I'm guessing genius lady doesn't know what "gleichshaltung" means.

ACTOldFart

In protest at not being allowed to physically attack someone, he actually brays like a donkey. I half expected him to start throwing faeces

Had he done so, someone probably would have handed him a performance art grant.

On another note, are the sorts of analyses and comments made in these threads ever fed back to whichever lefty airhead caused all the kerfuffle in the first place? I think it might broaden Ms Barlow's mind if she were to be exposed to the insight and erudition in all the above comments. Presuming, of course, that the case is not completely hopeless to begin with.

Andrew

My grandfather would be surprised to hear that WWII was the Allies’ war against “the blood lust of unfettered capitalism.”

That must be why the Nazis - National Socialists - made anti-capitalist propaganda films.

David

I’m guessing genius lady doesn’t know what “gleichshaltung” means.

It does seem that a great deal of leftist thought, or rather leftist signalling and emoting, is driven by projection and inversion. See also this on fascism and its copiers.

Andi Lucas

Interestingly it seems that before the founding of the NSDAP the word 'Nazi' was a term of abuse apparently meaning roughly 'Catholic bumpkin'. My co-author* was surprised to see it used in this sense in an original letter from 1918, with reference to Austro-Hungarian troops on the Western Front. Since the NSDAP exploited the Bavarians' understandable horror at their brief experience of Communist dictatorship to take root in predominantly Catholic Bavaria (where a restoration of the monarchy could have wiped out the powerbase of both socialist factions overnight), it was obviously appropriate.

* Fighting the Kaiser's War: The Saxons in Flanders 1914-1918 by Andrew Lucas and Jürgen Schmieschek, coming soon-ish from Pen & Sword...

John Galt III

Everyone should read this book.

Written by a Communist Party member in 1939, Guenter Reimann, the author once and for all shows the Nazis in Germany to be 100% carbon copies of the Communists. German businessmen totally understood what was happening: "The Vampire Economy doing business under fascism".

THE NAZIS WERE NOT CAPITALISTS.

http://mises.org/document/3080/The-Vampire-Economy

I bought the original edition. Very expensive.

William Dorich

Ms. Barlow appears to be just another village idiot that teach our children. As a double victim of Balkan Genocide my story can be told by nearly Serbian family today who lost a member or relative...not to capitalism but the full-blown disease of manifest hatred. In 1942 in the village of Vojnic, Croatia where my father was born, 99 Serbs were locked inside their Serbian church and burned to the ground...17 of those victims were my relatives. In 1995 when 230,000 Serbs were "ethnically cleansed" from Croatia the last 5 relatives of my name were too old and too sick to flee...I was notified a month later by the Red Cross that they were found with their throats slit.

The following quote is from my book, Jasenovac Then & Now: A Conspiracy of Silence... it is a quote, not from a Serbian survivor and there were on 87 of them, but from a Croatian historian about the 3rd most lethal Concentration camp during WWII in which 700,000 Serbs, 40,000 Jews and 60,000 Roma were liquidated, including 96,000 Serbian children under the age of ten who were poisoned with caustic soda by Roman Catholic nuns to save bullets... not to save some stupid capitalists idea! I suggest that this stupid teacher spent $1.99 to learn a bit of history about WWII.

“...There is not a pen capable of describing the horror and terror of the atmosphere at Jasenovac. It surpasses any human fantasy. Imagine Hell, the Inquisition, a terror more dreadful than any that ever before existed anywhere, run by bloodthirsty wild animals whose most hidden and disgusting instincts had come to the surface in a way never before seen in human beings—and still you have not said enough” —Antun Miletich.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/book/jasenovac/id478394359?mt=11&ign-mpt=uo%3D4

http://www.amazon.com/Jasenovac-Then-Conspiracy-Silence-ebook/dp/B0064UNXVS/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1376242575&sr=8-
2&keywords=Jasenovac

William Dorich, Author of 9 books, 6 on Balkan history.

William Dorich

I suggest that Ms. Barlow read my Open Letter to Pope Francis:

http://www.generalmihailovich.com/2014/04/an-open-letter-to-his-holiness-pope.html

PapaMishka

She must be German then.

Eddie Lowenstein

This is a perfect example of what an 11 year BA program @ Berkeley produces. 99% of all colleges preach anti-capitalism and communism is the wave of the future. Oh and let us not forget to hate the white man.

Slartibartfast
As "Nazi" stands for "National Socialist Party", the chairman applauds your efforts to smear communism's left-wing foes by fraudulently linking them with the dark evils of capitalism.

The Nazis weren't so much about socialism than they were about lying and getting away with it. Actually, they were pretty much all about Hitler, since he was both the champion liar and they guy who put some Nazi thugs into power.

Come to think of it, I could say the same thing about Mao, to an extent. But Mao was seriously all about socialism for everyone not named Mao Zedong. Not as good at the concentration-camp killing, but really a lot better at purging his rivals for power, as well as purging just as a kind of bread and circus.

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