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October 20, 2014

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Steve 2: Steveageddon

Friday Night Smoke - as an appearance-driven wanker, I am offended at your suggestion that we all wear shiny suits.

What is this, the 90's? You must be thinking of the gel-haired spivs who work in recruitment consultancy. They're just entry-level appearance-driven wankers. Some of us have style.

Minnow - I do get the impression tat some people on here think 'you are a girl' is a mortal insult

Not as mortal as saying "you smell of wee!"

Lancastrian Oik

I'm sure you can spot the culprits SVH.

Not good enough. You seem to be extremely fond of making all kind of sweeping assertions on all kinds of subject matter without ever being able to back up those assertions with hard facts.

Elision- thy name is "minnow".

bilbaoboy

Slipped up there, Minnow

'You are a girl' are your words, I think. Round here it's woman & female.

Still can't detect any insults although I would love to have the ability to mortally insult somebody (just in case they come at me with a knife).

dicentra

You mean 'not religious' in the sense that Isis is non-religious.

I mean in the sense that neither Torquemada nor Isabella were interested in the spiritual well-being of the population. They were purging political enemies, not saving souls.

Religion being conflated with government, the political loyalties also broke along religious lines.

Mostly.

Well, and then those Jews, whom nobody can trust, amiright?

Rich Rostrom

David Gillies | October 20, 2014 at 23:00: But why should it be a matter of law? Why is bigotry not merely immoral, but illegal?

In the U.S., at least, because racial discrimination in employment and public accommodations was effectively universal in a large part of the country, enforced by a deeply entrenched social code backed up by violence with government approval.

The force of law is a crude and brutal weapon, and it is highly inappropriate for personal interactions. But defeating a deep, broad, intractable prospiracy is very hard without powerful weapons. "Hard caes make bad law."

pst314

"I'm sure you can spot the culprits SVH."

Not all of us are such skilled witch-finders as you are, Inquisitor.

Minnow

"Not good enough. You seem to be extremely fond of making all kind of sweeping assertions"

I don't think 'I get the impression ...' really qualifies as a sweeping assertion.

Minnow

"I mean in the sense that neither Torquemada nor Isabella were interested in the spiritual well-being of the population. They were purging political enemies, not saving souls."

Yes, because the Jews were a real political threat to the Reyes Catolicos.

Lancastrian Oik

I don't think 'I get the impression ...' really qualifies as a sweeping assertion.

When you don't come up with names it does.

Minnow

An impression is an impression.

svh

An impression is an impression.

And bullshit is bullshit.

Minnow

"And bullshit is bullshit."

And neither is a 'sweeping assertion'.

The Jannie

I'm glad David Gillies mentioned the morality/legality thing over discrimination. I remember thinking, when the Race Relations Act first came about : "Well, damn me, they're legislating for civilised behaviour.

dicentra

Yes, because the Jews were a real political threat to the Reyes Catolicos.

Of course they were.

They weren't CATHOLIC (political entity), so they weren't under the control of the Church. They actually thought they had access to God without the intermediacy of a priest. The Reyes Católicos couldn't send a bishop after the miscreants to threaten them with hell and damnation if they didn't swear undying fealty to F&I and to the Pope.

But mostly to F&I.

And so, unexpectedly, they found themselves at the business end of Torquemada's tender care.

You Europeans have always been suspicious of Jews precisely because they steadfastly held themselves apart from belonging to the State Religion. Which meant they weren't wholly owned by the state.

And we can't have that.

Minnow

Really, the Kings of Spain had more persuasive means at their disposal than a finger wagging from the Bishop, and they were not slow to use them. In fact, it was loyalty to the Vatican that presented the King with a real threat to his power and challenge to state authority. See Thomas a-Beckett or the English Reformation. The only reason to persecute the Jews - who had no loyalty to any foreign power, were small in number and economically productive - was religious mania (and the chance to plunder them, of course, nothing is ever pure) but religious mania was then and always has been enough. Europeans have always been suspicious of the Jews and been steadfast in keeping them separate from the state because Europeans have always been prone to bouts of religious or other ideological zealotry of the sort that Isis are now making their own.

EFG

I'm sure you can spot the culprits SVH.

Posted by: Minnow

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Actus, is that you?

sewer urchin

As an employer I've always found self-mutilation a quick tell that speaks volumes about the individual.

SGT Ted

I remember when rebels were actually proud and intellectually consistent in their non-conformity.

If you want to be free to reject and disapprove of social constraints, you must also accept that others are free to reject and disagree with your decisions and not associate with you.

One is free to do body mods and others are free to not hire one because one appears to be an idiot with an inability to fathom long and short term consequences of one's own actions. When it comes to hiring for a job, a lot of eployers see extreme body modding as a sign of poor decision making skills and a lack of foresight. And it appears they are correct in most cases.

Funny the non-conformists are now demanding that others conform to their own ideas when it comes to getting hired.

If you seek to upset and shock the "squares" with your body mod appearance, why are you surprised that they are actually shocked and upset by your appearance and don't hire you? Shouldn't you be happy that your decision to look like a freak is working?

David

If you seek to upset and shock the “squares” with your body mod appearance, why are you surprised that they are actually shocked and upset by your appearance and don’t hire you? Shouldn’t you be happy that your decision to look like a freak is working?

Quite. But the people quoted above seem to want it both ways.

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