Meanwhile, on the Battlefield of Facial Hair

Apparently, there’s now a fashion trend called “lumbersexual.” As the avid fashionistas I know you to be, I’m sure its details and subtleties are already familiar, if not passé. For those as yet unschooled in lumbersexual grooming, here’s a brief summary:

Lumbersexual men have a calculated look with the desire to be (and be seen) as rugged and the heteronormative version of “manly.”

If that isn’t sufficiently clear, here are some inspirational pictures. 

And here’s where you can buy a sling for your axe. 

However, not everyone is thrilled by this rugged, or rather pseudo-rugged, fashion development. Among the aggrieved is a student and blogger named Indi, who looks like this and describes himself, at length, as:

Cisgender maletype, he/him pronouns. Type-2 diabetes, clinical depression… Panromantic pansexual… A multicultural global nomad… Seen a lot of stuff, done a lot of things… Formerly at Monash University, formerly at Lasalle College of the Arts, currently at Deakin University. Former theatre kid wholly sick of the industry… I want to perform or write for the rest of my life, whether it’s music, theatre, comedy, films, TV, voice acting, whatever… I don’t like people that ignore intersectional issues.

Regarding the lumbersexuals’ ersatz burliness and ostentatious facial hair, he says, rather testily, 

Let’s promote traditional aspects of masculinity by pretending it’s harmless! Let’s glorify large beards, because only ‘real men’ have huge amounts of facial hair based on their level of testosterone! Let’s make something seem harmless to give credit to a bunch of cis white men for no reason other than to uphold [a] European beauty standard.

Fads, it turns out, are terribly important and something that people attuned to “intersectional issues” should spend their time seething about: 

This shit is as transparent as the people promoting it. It’s the same as normcore, glorifying behaviours typical of people in white hegemonies. Take this ‘real men’ shit and go elsewhere. Stop trying to make what white men like fashionable, thanks.

Beards, then, are harmful and oppressive. Especially when combined with plaid shirts and skinny jeans. Because they’re “glorifying behaviours typical of people in white hegemonies.” Like this. And no, I’m not entirely sure what normcore is. Though that does seem quite a lot of baggage for a chap of 22 who’s still at university.

Update:

Now with righteous feedback from Mr Indi:  

so check out the angry old white dude who felt the need to take shots of me on his blog clearly catered towards boring angry white dudes. then check out the comments it reads like a who’s-who of manly mega super manly super duper insecure ‘why does no one love me’ men like wow this is the mra circus craptastic.

Well, that’s us told. 

Comments

[Ten]

That is some fine satire. Kudos to the young chap.

[JerryC]

He's a lumberjack and he's...not OK.

[Anna]

According to Wikipedia "Normcore is a unisex fashion trend characterized by unpretentious, average-looking clothing." (E.g., Gap.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normcore

The bastards!

[GG]

The thing is, when I see hipster dudes sportin' the "lumbersexual" look, I don't see manly-man lumberjacks. I see boys with inferiority complexes playing dress up.

[David]

The bastards!

Heh. Yes, how very dare they.

Regarding lumbersexuals, I’d vaguely registered one or two people with obviously fashionable beards standing outside trendy bars, but I’d assumed they were just hipster douchebags. I hadn’t realised they were doing harm to anyone or “glorifying behaviours typical of people in white hegemonies.”

[wtp]

Take this ‘real men’ shit and go elsewhere.

Heh...Make me, girly man.

[The Sage]

Looking at the guy, I'd say he was primarily motivated by the inability himself to grow more than bum fluff.

[Anna]

I'd say he was primarily motivated by the inability himself to grow more than bum fluff.

Or to grow up.

[Mags]

Cisgender maletype, he/him pronouns... I don’t like people that ignore intersectional issues.

Translation: unemployable.

[David]

Translation: unemployable.

Well, the adult world does seem much too rough and ready for our pious little snowflake. And that Spider-Man costume will offer only so much comfort.

[jkrank]

Our webslinger has a lot of venom in him.

I'm sorry.

[Theophrastus]

That "mixed-race, multi-cultural global nomad" appears to have a cosmic chip on his shoulder.

[David]

I suppose what escapes our seething man-child is the fact that his own identitarian dogma and “intersectional” fretting is every bit as modish and contrived as the lumbersexual fashion he rails against.

[TDK]

I thought that most people with big bushy beards were following a rather more fundamentalist fashion trend.

So surely the offence is cultural appropriation?

[David]

So surely the offence is cultural appropriation?

Sweet sandals of Allah! Something must be done!

[R. Sherman]

In 1978, I decided I was not going to shave between the end of the World Series and the day pitchers and catchers reported for Spring Training. That is, I started this trend.

You pikers.

[dicentra]

Looks more like a low-T male of Asian heritage who couldn't grow a beard if his life depended on it.

Sour facial hairs, I guess.

[Mags]

@R. Sherman

At least your chin will be warm through the winter. :-)

[Jon Powers]

so...
Women shaving their body hair = very bad.
Men NOT shaving their facial hair = very bad.

Help me Laurie Penny. I'm so confused.

[David Gillies]

From the Wiki article on 'normcore' I find that it basically means dressing in t-shirts and chinos. Echoes of Molière's Bourgeois Gentilhomme in finding that, sans que j'en susse rien, I had been following a fashion trend lo these many years! Thanks to this epicene little non-entity (who at school was clearly either the victim of too many wedgies, or of not enough wedgies) the scales have fallen from my eyes.

[David]

sans que j'en susse rien,

Get you.

Now this place just reeks of class.

[Hal]

Meh.

Actually, the whole issue is rather easy to sort out.

Every once in awhile, there is a new Dungeons and Dragons rulebook, where all the character types and rules and procedures and everything get reset, and all the people who play D&D sort out how they want to play using the new variations. So you'll have a lawyer, or accountant, or programmer, or mathematician, all deciding that as part of a game, they'll change the elf character over to a wizard, and . . . so forth with lots of mumbling, much enjoyment of the game, whether one makes one living the majority of the time as a lawyer, accountant, a programmer, a mathematician, Etc.

There is no doubt that this is just a passing game, when adults are playing, or even when viable children on the way to being adults, are playing.

Now, in turn, for the hipsters vs the adults, this is the same thing.

Way many years back, these peons claimed to be called preppys---Sloanes, for the UK---, and then the "rule book" changed, and then they started being called yuppys, and then the rulebook changed again, and the rulebook changes do seem to keep occurring faster and faster, but Etc. just the same. The only difference is that the hipsters keep trying to claim that this is actual reality instead of some passing game to provide amusement.

And we adults keep noting that it's not part of reality . . . .

The basic rule for any adult is that one hipster can provide amusement for us adults, and then when more congeal, they becomes a mere exercise in herding.

[Hal]

From the Wiki article on 'normcore' I find that it basically means dressing in t-shirts and chinos. Echoes of Molière's Bourgeois Gentilhomme in finding that, sans que j'en susse rien,

. . . . Ehhhhnnn . . . These are hipsters after all . . .

By definition what's involved is more a definite Je ne sais pas . . .

[regressive]

I guess I'm low testosterone given my beard looks more like Shaggy from Scooby Do, but I am not afraid to wear flanelette shirts and like to play in my shed building things (from metal - what sort of girly material is wood?) when I'm not doing what I get paid for.

So you can do both. But being middle aged with a gut and messy hair means I don't look quite as intimidating as those carefully coiffed lumbersexuals. I just look homeless.

My grandmother-in-law always thought I was going for the George Michael stubble.

[Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA]

Indi wants to deny other people the freedom to choose their own sexual identity because Indi doesn't approve of that sexual identity.

What a nasty little monster.

[Hal]

According to Wikipedia "Normcore is a unisex fashion trend characterized by unpretentious, average-looking clothing." (E.g., Gap.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normcore

The bastards!

Weeeellll . . . not so easy.

To, I'm sure, no one's surprise given who's involved;

Normcore . . . . choose clothes that are undistinguished – except, frequently, for a highly visible label to impart prestige.

So actual clothing is still not involved, this is still a matter of the costume, this is indeed all hipster and no adults, there must be the label . . . in fact, the immediate next sentence then contradicts everything before it with:

The "normcore" trend has been interpreted as a reaction to a fashion oversaturation resulting from ever faster-changing fashion trends.

After all, such concerns are why D&D players have all those many numbered sided varieties of dice to help with all the different variations that keep popping up . . .

Of course, as noted, D&D players don't get confused between reality and the game, or, in this case, clothing and silly assed costuming . . . .

[Jimmy]

I'm confused. I was under the impression that facial hair on whites dudes was racist because People of Colour started that trend. Now it's about upholding European standards of beauty!

Life is hard.

[Farnsworth M Muldoon]

Red is my favourite color.

Granted I am a 'Murkin what spells funny, but if this bozo was actually born and raised in countries where they speak and write English-English, shouldn't that be "favourite colour" ? Perhaps he is just making up stuff not unlike that of which the cow pastures are full, and I am not speaking of the bovines themselves.

[Craig Mc]

It's been my experience that people who self-describe as "amazing", are anything but (magicians excepted).

[Colours]

He's obviously a confused petal. He's mixed up his superheroes. Dressed as Spidey in his own little Superdude Fortress of Solitude.

[mojo]

Karl Marx had a beard. Fidel Castro has a beard.

Gabby Hayes had whiskers...

[Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK]

Like I'd listen to Spider-Man. He let Gwen Stacy die!

[Nikw211]

Among the aggrieved is a student and blogger named Indi …

Oh, dear God.

We need to start inventing new words for stupid because it's becoming increasingly clear that the ones we've got now just aren't up to the job anymore.

OT

Is this a stray April fool's story that some subeditor has published five months early by accident?

Women who meet their spouses while they are taking the pill may find them less attractive once they stop taking contraceptives […]

With men whose faces did not conform to objective measures of attractiveness, the women became less satisfied with their relationship when they stopped using oral contraception.

Men who were deemed to be attractive, however, saw their wives’ satisfaction increase when they stopped the pill.

Whuh? You mean to say a woman's happiness is dependent on the pill, and not being married to this, instead of this? What? Eh?

[David]

We need to start inventing new words for stupid because it’s becoming increasingly clear that the ones we've got now just aren’t up to the job anymore.

And again, as so often, it’s a kind of stupid that’s been cultivated, studiously and at some expense, probably with lecture notes. At a place of learning. Which makes me wonder who’s the bigger dupe, the guy with skinny jeans and a look-at-me beard, or the precious little sapling who frets about such things as “glorifying behaviours typical of people in white hegemonies” and therefore harmful. Or who pretends to, anyway, in order to fit in with his equally precious peer group.

Oh bugger. We’ve been rumbled.

[Jimmy]

Watch out, David, the Asian Sensation is coming for you and the other manly mega super manly super duper insecure ‘why does no one love me’ men.

[lovegoats]

I suspect this kind of 'rumbling happens when somebody routinely Googles their own name, to see who's writing about them.

Shouldn't someone who has been round the world be smarter?

[Anna]

Oh bugger. We’ve been rumbled.

Snort! I had no idea I was a manly mega super manly super duper old boring angry white dude.

Wait a minute, isn't that super sexist, super racist and super duper ageist?

[David]

Wait a minute, isn’t that super sexist, super racist and super duper ageist?

Why, it’s almost as if those “social justice” credentials were just a self-flattering affectation...

[Lloyd Snauwaert (@syncrodox1)]

Just leaving a comment to get my super bona fides...

[Nikw211]

We’ve been rumbled.

Oh my … I'd only glanced at his page the first time round.

I noticed that he describes himself as a "stand-up comic" who blogs "jokes" … so I clicked on his Greatist Hits. Here's one:

tony abbot is a walking political joke to the point that he’s australias prime semester

Ooof!

And here's another Greatist Hit:

themancalledcyclops:Does Kevin Bacon do anything but play hammy bad guys

theamazingIndi: he taught an ENTIRE TOWN TO DANCE if i recall so why dont you sit down

Oh boy.

If he imagines that's how easy it is to deal with hecklers in real life … man, if this kid ever gets even near an actual comedy stage, it's not going to be a pretty sight.

[Nikw211]

GD auto correct … now you can't see the amazing Indi's amazing pun in all it's glory - this is how it actually reads:

tony abbot is a walking political joke to the point that he’s australias prime memester

[Furor Teutonicus]

I have not shaved for over 30 years, NOW I am "in fashion!"

FUCK!!!

[Nikw211]

Update on your update, from the Amazing Indi himself:

this is a tragedy i am guessing you don have a lot of friends in what is clearly a desperate existence to prove you have a dick to the world. leave my blog, find a hobby, you’ll be happier

Wow, that's, I mean if you weren't told before, then now, this is the real telling.

[Theophrastus]

"Oh bugger. We’ve been rumbled."

Indi certainly doesn't welcome criticism and is prone to ageism. He also projects his anger on to the commentators here.

I'm not angry with you, Indi: I regard you with a blend of pity, weariness and amusement.

[Liessa]

Apparently, there’s now a fashion trend called “lumbersexual.”

Is that where they put on women's clothing and hang around in bars?

[David]

Indi certainly doesn’t welcome criticism

Oh dear. I sometimes forget that there are people with terribly adamant political worldviews that mustn’t ever be subjected to even the slightest pressure or hint of mockery. I shall of course report to the correction booth. Fire up the compressor and stand ready with the nails and broken glass. A good six hours should do it.

[Karen M]

Indi certainly doesn’t welcome criticism

Hi Indi,

I'm not angry at all. I'm laughing at how precious you are and how hypocritical your reply to our host is. BTW, I'm a 30-something brown woman, not an 'angry old white dude'.

[Kyle]

Thanks for the laughs, David. :-)

*hits tip jar*

[David]

Thank you, kind sir. May your sandals remain fragrant in the hottest of summers.

[Nikw211]

I'm laughing at how precious you are and how hypocritical your reply to our host is.

Yes, quite.

There is something startlingly Manichean about his worldview, and in that he shares a great deal with other people who variously describe themselves as being passionate about social justice. There are those who are with him who are Good (or "amazing"), and there are those who are Evil (or "craptastic"). For instance, he informs the whole of the Internet that:

I don’t like people that ignore intersectional issues. Issues of culture, race, and ethnocentrism are important to me as someone of a mixed-race mixed-culture global background. I don’t like bigots, I don’t like bullies, I don’t like cowards.

Even measuring this kind of thing by it's own standards leaves a lot of questions begging to be asked. Don't white people, old or otherwise, belong to an extremely wide diversity of heterogenous cultures and languages? Can't a (white) Russian, an Argentinian, a Canadian and a Basque represent 'diversity' as much as a Senegalese, a Yemeni, a Cambodian and a Peruvian Indian?

Doesn't it therefore make it bigoted, bullying and cowardly to completely write off a huge swathe of the global population based on the circumstances of their birth and then to justify that summary dismissal of those people as human beings on the spurious grounds that 'they' oppressed 'me/us' first?

Still, I'm being mean. He's only 22.

And besides, his girlfriend is a famous YouTube star.

Still not sure whether or not that's meant to be a toungue-in-cheek euphemism for internet-based onanism.

[David]

Even measuring this kind of thing by its own standards leaves a lot of questions begging to be asked.

Yes, but those aren’t load-bearing political convictions. They’re just there for show.

[Theophrastus]

"A good six hours should do it."

You deserve it! You lumbersexual white hegemonist, you!

[Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK]

Finally! I'm an angry old white man! ... Hey, where's all that power I should have now? Why don't I have millions in the bank now??? Where's a woman for me to bully??? Dammit!

[R. Sherman]

so check out the angry old white dude who felt the need to take shots of me on his blog clearly catered towards boring angry white dudes. then check out the comments it reads like a who’s-who of manly mega super manly super duper insecure ‘why does no one love me’ men like wow this is the mra circus craptastic.

He's attending a university? Did I miss the announcement eliminating English Composition 101 from the curriculum? Oh, and point of order: Both my mother and my wife love me, thank you.

[MikeG81]

I'm getting extremely tired of these insignificant little people thinking that they sit in judgement of others.

[The Phantom]

This Indi kid may eventually turn out ok. Like, after he's old enough to grow a beard.

The "lumbersexual" thing is the same shit that comes around every forty or fifty years. The Victorians had beards, then my parent's generation didn't, then my generation went Full Viking (I look like Eric the Red in my graduation photos) then GenX/Y went and did the preppy thing, now Gen Z hipster dweebs have "discovered" weird beards. Again.

There are no new things, just dumb ass kids who haven't read anything.

[R. Sherman]

There are no new things, just dumb ass kids who haven't read anything.

Having that printed up on the holiday cards as I type this. Thanks.

[Kizone Kaprow]

I was wondering where unfunny one-liners went to die.

[RebeccaH]

What's he got against white men? Is he a racist?

[Anon]

I am an absolute media glutton and devour it constantly. Television shows, music, movies, books, comics, manga, toys, people, audioplays, whatever. I am enamored stories and storytelling.

Prepositions, though, he can't stand.

[Tedunderhill2]

I laughed. I cried. I sentenced myself to reeducation.

[David]

Just noticed that the Amazon search widget (top right) is now advertising tweezers, razors and nose hair trimmers. Just in case.

[wtp]

He's attending a university? Did I miss the announcement eliminating English Composition 101 from the curriculum?

Dude, I could show you writings of at least one college professor with a PhD from a major Big 10 university who can't write for shizzle. And that's coming from a hack like myself. And I'm quite certain he's not a one-off. Can find a college professor or two in statistics and architecture who math-fail. Of course then there's John Gruber, the MIT PhD who knows a lot and yet knows nothing of the vast sea of unknown that surely economics guys should know about by now.

[Severian]

Cisgender maletype.... that's going straight into my online dating profile!! Romance here I come!

[Watcher in the Dark]

Is this the new version of getting wood?

[Henry]

Probably the wrong place to write this but...:

Matthew Taylor is a British scientist: part of a team that shot a probe round the earth to land on a meteor. It was an astonishing achievement by any standards. Quite a few of the European space missions haven't gone quite so well, but this was a triumph. He was on TV representing the mission.

So are we congratulating him? Feeling quiet British pride? Even going so far as to say "Well done mate"?

No, instead, in our new enlightened age there are a bunch of losers on Twitter and elsewhere having a go at him about the shirt he was wearing in the interview.

Because, shock-horror, there were depictions of naked women on the shirt! Think of that! Think of how evil that is..and weep.

[dicentra]

I suspect this kind of 'rumbling happens when somebody routinely Googles their own name, to see who's writing about them.

Naw. David linked to his blog and his back-end dashboard notifies him.

You've now been warned.

[dicentra]

What's he got against white men?

They're the reason he's unhappy.

What, are you NEW on this planet?

Also, it looks like I have a nifty new hash-icon. I'm on a new domain at work, so this message is being spit into the tubez from different time zone.

Kewl.

[dicentra]

Henry, here's a good summation of the whole fracas, with well-measured cuss words and everything.

Also, this. [Content warning: but I'll let you decide what for]

[David]

The spam filter’s being a tad temperamental. If anyone has trouble with comments not appearing, email me and I’ll thrash the thing with a broom.

[Dom]

"I’ll thrash the thing with a broom." Mr. Indi is getting turned on, you super-duper mega white male.

[Daniel Ream]

Of course, as noted, D&D players don't get confused between reality and the game, or, in this case, clothing and silly assed costuming

You think you're joking, but in fact the tabletop RPG hobby has been thoroughly hollowed out and nearly destroyed by SJW fruitbats of this type.

[Hal]

Is that where they put on women's clothing and hang around in bars?

No, it's where they pour sawdust over their heads and hang around outside of bars.

[Dom]

Serious question. Can someone define "intersectional"? As in "intersectional issues". What issues am I missing?

[Hal]

What issues am I missing?

Oh, clearly everything.

Serious question.

Oh.

You're no fun.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersectionality

[David]

What issues am I missing?

It’s essentially a disreputable method of calculating pity points based on various, often question-begging victim categories and whether those “subordinations” overlap or “intersect.” (In what are sometimes referred to as “matrices of oppression.” I kid you not.) It’s largely Marxoid pseudo-intellectual bunkum and attracts the kinds of people you’d imagine, not least because it offers enormous scope for scolding, resentment and demands for deference – say, on account of being black and female, and therefore, supposedly, multiply oppressed.

[Dave Rabid]

"Stop trying to make what white men like fashionable, thanks."

Said the guy wrapped up in all things Spiderman. Yeah, that's one thing that isn't marketed or promoted to white guys: comic books.

[Hal]

You think you're joking,. . . .

Actually nooo . . . .

. . . . but in fact the tabletop RPG hobby has been thoroughly hollowed out and nearly destroyed by SJW fruitbats of this type.

Exactly a point. You are playing a game, and then the hipsters have zero capacity for acquiring a life, and demand that everything else be just as frantically, desperately, clueless.

---A better example, and if someone is so inclined, could that someone do me and us a favor---that someone might be you . . .

Considering your statement of . . . the tabletop RPG hobby has been thoroughly hollowed out and nearly destroyed by SJW fruitbats of this type.. . .

Never mind the tabletop games. What indeed would such a mindset do with the game of Go? Given the semantic gymnastic epilepsy that gets declared to be actual conversation, wouldn't it be interesting if someone pointed out the tactics and game play of Go as a subject to discuss?

[Richard Powell]

To roughly paraphrase David, Intersectionality is a parlour game appealing to a very precise demographic, in the same way as Botticelli, Humiliation, or Are You There, Moriarty?

[David]

Intersectionality is a parlour game appealing to a very precise demographic,

Heh. Despite the intellectual pretensions, in practice it’s often used to justify things like this, whereby a man’s comment on, say, sexism must be subordinate to a woman’s opinion, or a black woman’s, or a trans woman’s, regardless of the actual merits of any party’s statement.

[Dom]

I think I understand now. Thanks. That Owen Jones / Laurie Penny tweet is best understood by the intersection of the two mortals, a being we can call Owennypen Jolauresie!

[Steveo40]

David:

Yes, but those aren’t load-bearing political convictions. They’re just there for show.

Almost made me spit out my wine. Careful now, it was was an expensive bottle.

[Steveo40]

was was. Definitely had too much.

[David]

it was an expensive bottle.

No refunds. Credit note only.

[pst314]

"Cisgender maletype, he/him pronouns. Type-2 diabetes, clinical depression..."

I see a lot of that: Disturbed people who find emotional solace in goofy political theories. Much more comforting to blame the world than face up to the possibility that one's problems are internal.

[Flynpigranch]

My Hair has more hair than Indi could ever grow on his face.
Doesn't Spiderman shave his chest and legs so he can slide into that outfit?

[D]

So on the intersectionality deal -- people are whatever gender they say they are at the moment, right? So can I change to a woman and then hold forth on sexism, trumping all male opinions on the subject, then change back when I'm done?

[J.M. Heinrichs]

1. http://www.filson.com/mens/
2. http://www.duluthpack.com/outdoor-gear/camping-hiking-gear

Eschew imitations.

Cheers

[The Lurker on the Threshold]

What indeed would such a mindset do with the game of Go?

Well, Go is the intersectional game par excellence.

[Patrick Brown]

Intersectionality: if a feminist thinks all men are bastards, an intersectional feminist thinks all straight white men are bastards.

And Henry: the women on Dr Taylor's magnificently garish shirt weren't even naked. The shirt was a present made for him by a female friend, and depicts sexy cartoon women with guns. If a rapper or a film star or a footballer or somebody cool had worn it, no-one would have batted an eye. But Dr Taylor is a scientist and therefore in the eyes of the online moron horde a nerd, so it became an excuse to bully him.

[Patrick Brown]

Newsflash: even Julie Bindel thinks "shirtstorm" makes feminists look like nutters.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/nov/18/feminism-rosetta-scientist-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality

[denis]

the chattering class ran out of real issues to talk about years ago so they are now forced to chatter about trivial things of no consequence or import now.

[Paul Nottingham]

"If he imagines that's how easy it is to deal with hecklers in real life … man, if this kid ever gets even near an actual comedy stage, it's not going to be a pretty sight."

I'd love to have seen him at the Glasgow Empire. If all you could hear were your footsteps as you left the stage you rejoiced because it meant they hadn't ripped your legs off.

[rxc]

Hmmm.... intersectionality. From the descriptions, this reminds me of the way that managers in govt are rated on their "equal opportunity/affirmative action" performance standards. I.e., how many women, minorities, disabled, etc have been hired/promoted/awarded/mentored. I once hired a female black engineer, so I got three points, and I promoted a different female, black, real African(somalia) engineer, so three more. Never got the opportunity to hire someone disabled, or a Native American engineer (very rare - certainly endangered).

I guess the ultimate would be an old, pregnant, gay, trans-female, disabled-veteran, Native American engineer.

8(9?) points (not quite sure how to score the cis/trans issue)

[Jimmy]

I guess the ultimate would be an old, pregnant, gay, trans-female, disabled-veteran, Native American engineer

You pretty much win the game at that point.

[Account Deleted]

Bonus points if they're recently converted Muslim as well!

[Patrick Chester]

Is that where they put on women's clothing and hang around in bars?

Posted by: Liessa | November 18, 2014 at 10:18

I really need to stop by here more often. :-D