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May 09, 2015

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David

Re the Brendan O’Neill piece, this seems relevant, copied from yesterday’s ephemera thread:

In the Independent, the socialist comedian and 80s hangover Mark Steel is doing the usual self-flattering contortions. He describes himself as “numb” and “dumbfounded,” as “consumed with horror but entirely mystified,” as if the election result were on a par with a reversal of gravity or the Moon turning purple.

Mr Steel believes that Miliband lost so catastrophically because of those every-ready bogeymen – “Rupert Murdoch and the wealthy.” You see, it’s all about “the power of Murdoch.” It’s telling that Steel simply dismisses the agency of the electorate, who, in his mind, are strangely peripheral, barely conscious, mere dupes of dark forces. For him, it’s inconceivable that lots of people could have made up their own minds, found Labour and its leader wanting or simply ludicrous, and voted accordingly. Because how could anyone possibly find a leftist agenda unattractive?

Joan

It’s telling that Steel simply dismisses the agency of the electorate, who, in his mind, are strangely peripheral, barely conscious, mere dupes of dark forces.

"Hilariously, the very same people who accuse the Murdoch papers of brainwashing their readers into voting for the Tories – such undiluted snobbery – believed that a celeb with a webcam and a lively Twitter presence could simply click his fingers and get the hordes voting Labour."

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/the-biggest-loser-of-the-night-russell-brand/

David

Heh. Owen Jones seemed quite convinced that Mr Brand would deliver an election victory for our socialist betters, after seducing us with his deep, deep wisdom and grasp of current events. As if everyone would be impressed by the sight of a Labour leader paying a desperate midnight visit to a mouthy, middle-aged “revolutionary” and millionaire hypocrite.

Alas, ‘twas not to be.

RY

I wonder if it will ever occur to the contemporary Labour party - and the commentators who support them - that if you keep showing such contempt for people, they are unlikely to want to vote for you.
It doesn't seem that difficult to work out.

peter h

The Wankerati seem entirely oblivious to the glaringly obvious reason why people turned on the vile labour party.
Do you not think that ordinary people turned on them for one simple reason. The Labour party looked the other way while hundreds, possibly thousands of mostly white schoolgirls were tortured and raped by muslim gangs. What did they think would happen? Nothing effective has been done about it. It’s almost certainly still happening and the Labour party and its allies are still trying to cover it up. People are not stupid and they have now realized the depth of the utter contempt in which they are held by the Labour party and most of the political class. The people have now acted on that realization.

David

if you keep showing such contempt for people, they are unlikely to want to vote for you.

Quite. So many Guardian columns expressed shock and disbelief that the left hadn’t wooed the electorate in sufficient numbers, while the very same paper, the foremost organ of the left, devotes so much space to articles disdaining the rest of us and our beastly, unsophisticated appetites – from barbecues and football to cupcakes and even our dinnertime habits. Every week, loftily telling us how we should live and what we should do without. If only we’d let them improve us from above. As if the rest of us were a problem, defective, something to be fixed.

Timbo

Saw this linked to on Twitter It's by Rebecca Roache, 'Lecturer in philosophy, Royal Holloway, University of London'.

Scary stuff.

http://blog.practicalethics.ox.ac.uk/2015/05/if-youre-a-conservative-im-not-your-friend/

David

Scary stuff.

I notice that Ms Roache, our lecturer in philosophy, dislikes “people who voted Conservative but kept quiet about it,” as if this were somehow duplicitous and unfair. And she says this while proudly telling us that she excommunicates any friends who express traces of sympathy for non-leftwing ideas. Even ‘likes’ on Facebook. Because, she says, voting Conservative is “as objectionable as expressing racist, sexist, or homophobic views.”

You’d think a lecturer in philosophy, a professional intellectual, might see those two things - quiet voters and her own hair-trigger intolerance - as possibly being related. If the post in question is representative of Ms Roache’s thinking abilities (to say nothing of her self-awareness and cheery disposition), the impressionable teenagers in her class have my sympathies.

R. Sherman

Re Ms. Roache:

She states: "Life is too short, I thought, to hang out with people who hold abhorrent political views."

And there you have it in a single sentence. There are no political opinions. There can be no mere disagreement about method goals. It is nothing less than good versus evil with these people. As Timbo states above, it's scary stuff, because for these people "defriending" someone on Facebook can never be enough "punishment."

Lancastrian Oik

One (thing) is that, in much of British culture, people are uncomfortable with debate about politics.

Usually because there's a shouty and aggressive Leftie on the other side of the "debate" who will be straight in with the ad homs.

...to express one’s support for a political party that does these things is as objectionable as expressing racist, sexist, or homophobic views. Racism, sexism, and homophobia are not simply misguided views like any other; views that we can hope to change through reasoned debate (although we can try to do that). They are offensive views. They are views that lose you friends and respect—and the fact that they are socially unacceptable views helps discourage people from holding (or at least expressing) them, even where reasoned debate fails. Sometimes the stick is more effective than the carrot.

Sexism in action. Although, as usual, it's not sexist, racist or 'phobic when the Left do it.

That incoherent rant by Ms. Roache- it's very much in line with what's been happening on social media for quite some time. There is now another -ism which the Left deploy as a stick to beat non-believers with- my rather clumsy term for it is "otherviewsism". The Left generally in Britain, and the Labour Party in particular, have always struck me as being a sort of weird secular Methodist sect; and meantime the Left are indeed winning the culture war. (A prime example of their so-far victorious strategy is of course "the bedroom tax", known by the rest of us as "You know, if I want a bigger house or flat I'm going to have to pay a bit more for it". It's just one of a multitude of memes that have been allowed to dominate political discourse). What social media has allowed them to do is to erect a sort of social tripwire (naturally, I am thinking of this) and woe betide you if you step over it. The enlightened ones who "will murder you in 140 characters" or respond insultingly to a post with self-righteous bile and anger- they're the guys in the watchtowers with the Spandaus.

They're so blinkered by righteousness, they can't recognise that, so "debate" has become pointless because nobody likes being shouted at and being called nasty names all the time, every time.

Ten

Back here in the States, I heard a liberal moan about how "tea partiers" didn't know what was good for them, and how could they possibly contest their betters providing such well-being.

That, in a nation where

-Official debt has exceeded annual gross output;
-Real debt is somewhere around one hundred fifty trillion dollars, or ten years output;
-Forced public retirement savings accounts have been pilfered by govt and medicine has been wrecked by same;
-Economic progress had flat-lined in the Sixties under some federal Great Welfare crap or another and has yet to rebound, sinking urbanites into hell for three generations running, all the more so where labor had joined with socialism to wipe whole production centers and their cities off the map.

The parallels to O’Neill's world could not be more striking, even in his understated tone.

That's why I reject leftism - the intellectual repugnance and the inevitable, physical, documented history of the collective. But it bothers me to have to point either or both out as a daily function of my existence, as if living among thieves and liars.

As if living among thieves and liars.

It's past time to recognize the collective as abhorrent, deviant, parasitic, active, and clinically disordered, needing force of/and reform. And it's past time to remember that extortion, collusion, religious persecution, and theft are illegal, regardless.

witwoud

Rebecca Roache in short:

1) You Conservatives are wrong, repugnant, and equivalent to racists.
2) I see you’re not interested in having a rational debate about this.
3) Unfriended.

RY

Some interesting thoughts on the election result from two Guardian columnists:

https://twitter.com/daaronovitch/status/596992370702450689

David

Some interesting thoughts on the election result from two Guardian columnists

Heh. So the Guardian’s Michele Hanson is “baffled” by people voting Conservative and imagines they must “live in Mansions.” (And hey, what other reason for not voting Labour could there possibly be?) If you think her journalism must be better than these pouty, juvenile tweets, think again.

dw

If you think her journalism must be better than these pouty, juvenile tweets, think again.

Wow. What a nasty cow.

David

Wow. What a nasty cow.

I doubt it’s occurred to Ms Hanson that some of us don’t vote Labour precisely to avoid giving coercive power to dim, spiteful people much like her.

Spiny Norman

Because how could anyone possibly find a leftist agenda unattractive?

Which is why the pervasive conceit among the American Left is that any opposition to Obama's policies must be based on racism and racism alone.

abacab

Remember the talk a while back from Alex Salmond of the "Progressive Majority"?

It has been found.

Based on the popular vote, it's Tory-UKIP-DUP :p

P

Poor Laurie isn't taking it very well (as to be expected) judging by her column in the New Statesman......

Lancastrian Oik

...bourgeois lefty throwback...

She said it.

sackcloth and ashes

'It’s telling that Steel simply dismisses the agency of the electorate, who, in his mind, are strangely peripheral, barely conscious, mere dupes of dark forces'.

He's an ex-member of the Socialist Workers Party, and although long since left its ranks he still is tied to its ideology. 'False consciousness' offers a convenient explanation for repeated failure; and perhaps also a source of comfort to a 'comedian' whose brand of mirth is decidedly niche, and who has to rely on the patronage of the BBC and the Indy to make a living.

'Ms Roache, our lecturer in philosophy, dislikes “people who voted Conservative but kept quiet about it'.

Let it be noted here that a supposed academic is unable to grasp one of the basic concepts of liberal democracy - namely, the secret ballot.

Darleen

Which is why the pervasive conceit among the American Left is that any opposition to Obama's policies must be based on racism and racism alone.

And why #WaronWomen will be the answer to any opposition to Hillary's coronation.

David

He’s an ex-member of the Socialist Workers Party,

And a piss-poor comedian. You have to wonder how he gets any work.

sackcloth and ashes

Yesterday afternoon on 5Live, Tony Livesey was in Morley and Outwood interviewing some of Ed Balls' ex-constituents. Livesey, incidentally, is to my knowledge the only moderator of a talk-show programme who has ever warned Laurie Penny to shut up and let the other panelists speak, and then to cut her mike off when she failed to comply.

With the vox-pops interviews from Morley and Outwood, there was a common theme, broadly summarised as 'Yes I used to vote Labour, but I don't trust them now. The party's completely out of touch with the ordinary voter, and I voted Conservative because I thought they'd do a better job of running the country. We never saw Ed Balls. He took us all for granted. Andrea Jenkyns ran a good campaign and we thought we'd give her a chance'.

Livesey interviewed one Labour activist - 'Laura'. She was shell-shocked about the national result, and clearly upset about Ed Miliband's resignation. But even she agreed that Balls was a crap MP and his time was long overdue.

David

the only moderator of a talk-show programme who has ever warned Laurie Penny to shut up and let the other panellists speak, and then to cut her mike off when she failed to comply.

A glorious moment. Her squeaky indignation had me weeping with laughter. If anyone stumbles across a recording of it, do share.

sackcloth and ashes

'You have to wonder how he gets any work'.

(1) The BBC.
(2) 'The Independent'.

abacab

Well, that didn't take long for the first CiF piece to come out decrying democracy:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2015/may/08/democracy-a-religion-that-has-failed-the-poor?CMP=fb_gu

Funny, don't remember pieces like this with St. Tony winning 355 seats on 35.2% of the popular vote. Why might that be?

Henry

There's a bit of a Laurie Penny-ism in her latest New Statesman piece:

Kindness is mandatory...And we don't ever have to talk about Nick Clegg again now. So there's that

Theophrastus

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074752/Voice-angry-angel-Charlotte-Church-protests-against-Conservative-party-s-general-election-triumph-says-ve-given-reins-bogey-men.html

She's mad as hell and she won't take it anymore. So there!

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

The article about straight womyn coopting "lesbian" "fashion"??? What, putting on pants and a shirt is stealing from the lesbian culture? The HELL? What a dumb broad. I'll wear what I want, which ranges from silk pajamas to dresses to pants and a goddam shirt.

I tipped yerazz. Don't say I never did nuthin' for ya.

David

I tipped yerazz.

May your towels stay fragrant in humid times.

R. Sherman

Perhaps the thing to do is go to these various Leftist sites and leave a one word comment: "Ceausescu" with a smiley emoticon.

Darleen

Right now I feel ashamed to be English. Ashamed to belong to a country that has clearly identified itself as insular, self-absorbed and apparently caring so little for the most vulnerable people among us. Why did a million people visiting food banks make such a minimal difference? Did we just vote for our own narrow concerns and sod the rest? Maybe that’s why the pollsters got it so badly wrong: we are not so much a nation of shy voters as of ashamed voters, people who want to present to the nice polling man as socially inclusive, but who, in the privacy of the booth, tick the box of our own self-interest.

Yes, because nothing NOTHING says "caring about others" like voting for Big Government to take more of your neighbor's earnings.

good lord I hate these people

abacab

@Darleen, it escapes them that they also vote in their own self-interest. They just apply such a large multiplier to voting in a - for them - "caring" way. "Social capital", you might call it.

Anyway, it's easy to vote to be generous with other people's money. And then even easier to be a condescending cnut about it later.

Perhaps all those lefties struggling to understand the result might like to Check Their Prejudices.

David

Yes, because nothing NOTHING says “caring about others” like voting for Big Government to take more of your neighbor’s earnings.

It’s odd how voting for the state to confiscate even more of other people’s earnings is casually defined as altruistic. This idea that imposing your will on others, in order to feel a sense of altruism that hasn’t actually been earned, is what good people do.

R. Sherman

Yes, because nothing NOTHING says “caring about others” like voting for Big Government to take more of your neighbor’s earnings.

I've often been confronted by those who smugly suggest that my Christianity necessitates wealth redistribution. I politely inform such people that Christ's injunctions to "feed the poor," etc. were directed to individuals. I've read the entirety of the Bible multiple times during my life and have yet to discover the beatitude, "Blessed is he who takes his neighbor's stuff and gives it to someone else. He shall receive a laudatory profile in The New York Times.

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

And what is it about Russell Brand? I've only ever (barely) heard of him (outside of David's site) as a failed actor/ex-husband of Katy Perry/sexual deviate who likes to pretend to be handicapped when having The Sex. How did this nothingburger become some sort of left-wing spokestwat?

Darleen

I've often been confronted by those who smugly suggest that my Christianity necessitates wealth redistribution. I politely inform such people that Christ's injunctions to "feed the poor," etc. were directed to individuals.

As I've oft replied to those who have confronted me on the same thing:

I must have missed that part of the Bible where Jesus says to His followers: "Go forth and petition Caesar to seize your neighbor's crops and redistribute them." Can you give me the chapter and verse where I may find it?
abacab

@R. Sherman.

Did not Jesus exhort Caesar to feed the poor?

err...Bueller?...Bueller?...Bueller?

WTP

Ah, no. Unless you can provide a reference. "Render unto Ceasar..." And "whoever has food must share" address separate entities. I don't know of a verse where Jesus directly asks anything of Ceasar. Do you have one?

sackcloth and ashes

'How did this nothingburger become some sort of left-wing spokestwat?'

How was the Emperor able to convince his citizens that he was wearing the finest robes, whereas he was in fact stark bollock naked?

A combination of self-delusion, plus self-interest.

splotchy

https://mobile.twitter.com/little_g2/status/597113821388513280

On democracy and Ms Penny's love of abusive rebellion, it seems she has so little respect for the former that she endorses the latter, including the moronic act of defacing a monument to WW2 heroines.

Steveo40

I've found it interesting that amongst my Facebook friends, it was only the lefty ones that felt obliged to lecture us all about how awful the Tories/coalition were, how the NHS/schools/social work is being destroyed, tax avoidance, etc etc. Only one person posted something contradictory, which was to simply say that they had voted blue. Now they wish they hadn't.

Anyway, I took a huge amount of enjoyment from looking at their caterwauling on Friday morning. A huge amount.

Revealed preferences eh? My favourite kind of preferences. Anyone think that the pinko social media sheep creating an atmosphere of intimidation regarding any views that aren't lefty orthodox will learn anything from this? I hope so, but judging from the postings so far, they just can't quite believe that the populace is so stupid: "What is wrong with this country?". I'd rephrase that question for him, but I'd get unfriended, and I do so enjoy the bleating.

sackcloth and ashes

My FB friends - most of whom I know in real life - range from UKIP to Green, so the angst about the result comes from all corners.

I am however pleased to note that all were united in their sense of glee when Galloway was trounced in Bradford West.

David

she endorses… the moronic act of defacing a monument to WW2 heroines.

Laurie is all about caring and compassion. That’s why she’s endorsed the obstruction and physical coercion of random people, the smashing of random people’s windows and the destruction of their property, spitting on women she doesn’t know, and abusing polite security staff.

Bill Sticker

Original Posted by: witwoud | May 09, 2015 at 13:56

"Rebecca Roache in short:

1) You Conservatives are wrong, repugnant, and equivalent to racists. Rather than being a real racist, like you.
2) I see you’re not interested in having a rational debate about this. Rational? With you? (Mocking laughter)
3) Unfriended." Too late. Beat you to it. (Single upraised digit)

splotchy

Of course, all of this is why the pollsters get it wrong - a tiny minority of shriekers with nothing better to do (ie no job, or a job that doesn't require them to actually be busy working), are so utterly aggressive and hostile to the tiniest bit of conservative sympathising, that such conservative sympathisers learn it's less hassle to be silent and qietly save it for the ballot box.

And why would anyone with right-wing views disclose them to an official-sounding stranger anyway? After all, we live in a country where voting UKIP can get your foster children removed. The facebook group for today's anti-austerity march has a list of unpleasant things it exhorts its followers to do to 'any tory', from vandalising their belongings, pissing in their food, to getting them sacked. Some people really do hate a/ freedom and b/ democracy!

Steveo40

Re Galloway: Yes, it was glorious seeing that twat trounced.

Splotchy - indeed, agree with everything you said. On top of that, it would seem that people with right-of-centre views are perhaps just a little bit more polite than your average SJW.

splotchy

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/11595097/Police-officer-injured-as-anti-Tory-protesters-gather-outside-Downing-Street-and-Whitehall.html

Those fearless well-fed, fashionably-dressed protesters with their trusty iphones - protesting their poor lot by defacing a memorial to women who endured rationing, bombing, widowhood, their children evacuated, all in living memory. What's betting the elderly survivors of that era are living their dignified lives out on modest pensions, in significant contrast to this spoiled mob?

David

just a little bit more polite than your average SJW.

Marxoid posturing is an ideal fig leaf for all kinds of vindictiveness and obnoxious behaviour. That’s why it attracts the people it does.

RY

Re Galloway: Couldn't agree more.

Re Ed Miliband doing interview with Russell Brand:

Comment from someone on a Spectator blog a few days ago - apologies for not having noted down their name.


Just because he behaves like an idiot, consorts with idiots and treats us like idiots, doesn't mean he's an idiot himself. He may just define wisdom differently from us.

Steveo40

Absolutely David. And they get to feel so so lovely and self-righteous about themselves, simply by re-tweeting or re-posting something. What a fantastic drug.

sackcloth and ashes

'[She] has so little respect for the former that she endorses the latter, including the moronic act of defacing a monument to WW2 heroines'.

Nancy Wake. Noor Inayat Khan. Krystyna Skarbek. Odette Churchill. Violette Szabo. Vera Lynn. And the names we do not know.

The WRAFs who manned the radar stations that got dive-bombed during the Battle of Britain.

The WRENs and the FANYs, and the searchlight teams.

The nurses in theatres of war across the world.

The workers who went into the factories while the men went to fight, both here and across the Atlantic Ocean.

The ARP wardens and the volunteer fire fighters.

The resisters who hid British aircrew from the Nazis and helped smuggle them home.

The fighters of the FFI, the AK, and (let's give them credit that is their due) the Soviet and Balkan communist partisans.

The snipers and the 'night witches' of the Eastern Front.

See a bunch of crustie scum piss on your heroism. And see a moral midget called Laurie Penny cheer them on.

Dr Cromarty

My grandmothers, mother and aunts.

Darleen

yowzer, reading the tweets on the #toriesoutnow hashtag

and I thought Californian Progressives were nutz (and I live here)

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

Well, there's nothing like insulting the old and the dead to make one's point come across to everyone else. What a moron.

ac1

I think they do ugly things to gain attention. It's an adult tantrum like a 3year old smashing things in a supermarket.

Steve 2 - Stevement Day

David, I have spent the last couple of days gorging on delicious schadenfreude. If I have another petit thin wafer of the stuff I may burst.

Comment is Free has produced mountains of fragrant salt:

Right now I feel that the people of this country can go hang, I mean who cares Owen?
Who fucking cares?
Have spent most of my life, decades, campaigning for a fairer country, for the working classes and the poor, and time and again the working classes and the poor vote Tory.

--BabylonianSheDevil03, bemoaning the ingratitude of the poor.

the stupid working class voted for the evil tories
--Geoffree, displaying that famed progressive nuance and tolerance

What we need it not to take anymore crap if that turns out to be all out strikes work to rule and riots on our streets then so be it
--Johnathan Timpany, though he himself will not be taking part in any rioting action, as he has a bad back

What remains of the British left is flat on its back, staring at the ceiling in a mess of unwashed sheets, and shouting at it to get up is not going to help right now.
--Laurie Penny, explaining that the British left is manky and lazy

There is no point. I'd say this country has gone to the dogs but it went years ago. I'm heartbroken here.
--charliechristian, staring at the ceiling in a mess of unwashed sheets

BBC radio 4 and BBC TV (excepting newsnight) seem to just churn out Tory press releases.
--youwillbe, on the nefarious right-wing running dog capitalists of the BBC

...and so on. Other recurring themes are that the evil right-wingers won through "fear" (apparently the progressive message was all hopey changey stuff and they never suggested the NHS would be "destroyed" if the bastard Tories got back in) and that Ed Miliband is a "decent" man.

Well, what are they basing that on?

Don't get me wrong - I would trust Ed Miliband not to mug me in a dark alley. I'd be happy to have him as a neighbour, safe in the knowledge that he probably wouldn't hold wild parties, blasting dubstep through the walls at 3 AM.

But then, I could say the same about any of the other political leaders. Except Natalie Bennett - she'd probably have a disgusting compost heap in her garden, attracting clouds of flies and hippies. She shouldn't be allowed to live in a house with electricity and running water - make her live in a carbon neutral eco-yurt in a soggy field somewhere.

What makes Ed more "decent" than the rest of them? Was it his promise to jail people for "islamophobia"? His pledge to bring Venezuelan-style price controls to the UK? His determination to tax us more?

If by "decent", we mean "believes he is on the side of good and righteousness", then nearly everybody is decent. Including members of ISIS, headhunting cannibals, and Tony Blair.

Anyway, nice to see the rentamob left throwing their toys out of the pram in London. And - hashtags! Take THAT, democratically elected government of the United Kingdom!

Lucky lefty kids these days. When I was a nipper all we had was Ben Elton and Red Wedge. Astonishingly, jokes about "Fatcha" and the star power of Prefab Sprout proved insufficient to bring down a Conservative government. But perhaps Lily Allen's semi-literate tweets and Russell Brand's webby-cammy rants will inspire a new generation to man - er, person - the barricades.

The original Mr. X

STOP PRESS: Guardian article on election discovered that isn't absolute insanity:

It could not because Labour’s leadership of former special advisers does not look like the people it wants to represent and does not look as if it likes the look of them either. In this, it is typical of the wider educated left in England, which almost alone in the world, makes a virtue of denigrating its own people.

The universities, left press, and the arts characterise the English middle-class as Mail-reading misers, who are sexist, racist and homophobic to boot. Meanwhile, they characterise the white working class as lardy Sun-reading slobs, who are, since you asked, also sexist, racist and homophobic. The national history is reduced to one long imperial crime, and the notion that the English are not such a bad bunch with many strong radical traditions worth preserving is rejected as risibly complacent. So tainted and untrustworthy are they that they must be told what they can say and how they should behave.

What truth there is in the caricature is lost amid the accompanying hypocrisy. The intellectual left deplores racism but uses “white” as an insult. It lambasts the sexism of the right, but stays silent as Labour candidates run meetings where Muslim women’s inferiority is confirmed by stewards who usher them into segregated seating .

Lost, too, is any notion of how to change a society. Countries are like individuals. They will take criticism from friends and family who have their best interests at heart. If opponents make the same criticisms for the same good reasons, however, they dismiss them as insults from people who only mean them harm.

If the left is going to come back, its first task is to show that, deplorable and stupid though we undoubtedly are, in so many different and disgraceful ways, it doesn’t actually think the English are its enemies.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/09/labour-left-miliband-hating-english

The original Mr. X

Steve:

Other recurring themes are that the evil right-wingers won through "fear" (apparently the progressive message was all hopey changey stuff and they never suggested the NHS would be "destroyed" if the bastard Tories got back in)

Interesting you should stay that, Steve. As it turns out, Labour's election literature was the most negative of all the parties', with UKIP being the least:

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2015/05/revealed-the-party-with-the-most-negative-election-campaign/

Lancastrian Oik

Livesey, incidentally, is to my knowledge the only moderator of a talk-show programme who has ever warned Laurie Penny to shut up and let the other panelists speak, and then to cut her mike off when she failed to comply.

Burnley, born & bred. We don't take any prisoners, tha' knows.

R. Sherman

@abacab

Did not Jesus exhort Caesar to feed the poor?

Nope. Try reading the New Testament before asking silly questions.

Ten
Did not Jesus exhort Caesar to feed the poor?

Personally or collectively (the latter as the force of state, powered by the envy of the tyrannies of various quasi-elected majorities and official intellectual mobs, funded by coercion and levied force, and benevolent by whim of policy and pain of law?

Did not Jesus exhort that Caesar in order to feed the poor?

In other words, using that formulation Jesus was all into aggression, that despite a life led by the principle of acute non-aggression, a life cut short by not one but two institutions joined as one into a statist institution of religious lethal intolerance.

And contemporary progressivism is nothing if not religious.

Spiny Norman

Mr. X,

... it is typical of the wider educated left in England, which almost alone in the world, makes a virtue of denigrating its own people.

They do that in the US as well.

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

I believe, though I don't know much about British politics, that Jesus wrote that slogan for Russell Brant: "Give your money to Caesar, Russell." And then the wrong people were elected by the wrong people to do the wrong things.

Ray

On the subject of The Book, I suggest reading the ten commandments and then pointing out the rider that says "unless the government does it".

Hal

yowzer, reading the tweets on the #toriesoutnow hashtag

Why yes, twitter does rather speak for itself . . . .

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

Uh oh, racist insults person of ethnicity! http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_28077798/q-linkedins-itamar-orgad-helping-students-land-job?source=infinite

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

DAMMIT, wrong link!!! http://www.mercurynews.com/opinion/ci_28074484/ruben-navarrette-halperin-interview-ted-cruz-was-painful?source=infinite

David

In this, it is typical of the wider educated left in England, which… makes a virtue of denigrating its own people… So tainted and untrustworthy are they that they must be told what they can say and how they should behave.

I doubt Nick Cohen will be much thanked for his honesty. And of course we’ve been here before.

abacab

Surely the "Bueller...bueller....bueller" was a hint that my statement was a rhetorical question, since of course any fule no that Jesus did not at any point exhort Caeser to feed the poor, nor to tax the money changers at exorbitant rates...

RY

I doubt Nick Cohen will be much thanked for his honesty.

No. He won't be.
He never has been when he's dared to point out uncomfortable truths to his own side.
If they listened to him they might actually learn some things that would help them to achieve their goals.
Instead, he'll be dismissed, ridiculed, or denounced.

And they'll go on doing the same thing. And then be
"baffled" that people seem not to want to conform to the script.

David

Right, I’m off to take my mother-in-law out for brunch. Play nicely. And wish me luck.

jon/uk/hants

i'm not a member anymore, but i bet the 'political' forums on http://www.outeverywhere.com/ are in meltdown over this election result, lol...i used to love taking the piss on there when i was a member, got banned in the end.

sackcloth and ashes

'I doubt Nick Cohen will be much thanked for his honesty'.

He won't be. Any more than David Aaronovitch, or Andrew Anthony, or anyone else who pointed out long ago that the British left was disappearing up its own arsehole.

It's also worth noting that Cohen writes for the 'Observer', which is (a) a more sober publication than the 'Graun' and (b) the neglected step-child of the Guardian Media Group.

Lancastrian Oik

Meanwhile, over at CiF, Owen Jones is getting a bit of a kicking in the comments.

Franklin

Many thanks to our gracious host for featuring my first effort at The Federalist.

David

On Liam Byrne’s infamous “I’m afraid there is no money” letter.

sackcloth and ashes

Laurie Penny is now tweeting that 'My grandmother got the George Cross in WW2'. Thankfully someone's done the research here, so I don't have to.

Marta Penny was in Malta during the war, and King George VI awarded the island's inhabitants the George Cross in April 1942 for their valour in withstanding the Axis siege (and for holding the only bit of Allied territory to survive between the Straits of Gibraltar and the Egyptian border). So whilst it is accurate to say that Penny Snr 'got the George Cross', the implication that she was somehow specifically awarded this (like, say, Violette Szabo or Noor Inayat Khan) is massively inaccurate. To put it mildly.

You are invited to consider for yourself whether Penny is actually a liar and a fantasist, or too stupid to actually understand her grandmother's case.

Watcher In The Dark

A friend of mine once said that the voters in Britain, when the stubby pencil in their hand hovers over the box marked 'Labour' they usually pause, say "No way" and put their mark in the one marked 'Conservative' because, deep down, the people are conservative at heart.

james

You are invited to consider for yourself whether Penny is actually a liar and a fantasist, or too stupid to actually understand her grandmother's case.

You are being generous to her.

I would have ticked X for all of the above options

ac1

BWAHAHA

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/may/10/traumatised-by-the-election-result-a-psychotherapists-recovery-guide

WTP

Oh, ac...that. Is. Awesome.

I need to feel what it’s like to believe that someone is after all my money and resources and imagine what it’s like to think people coming into this country will not add to our resources but take them away. Hating the electorate for being stupid, however satisfying in the short-term, will make things much worse.

That's money, right there. Perhaps when Phillipa figures out how to do so AND teach this to your lefties, she can come over here to the U.S. and do the same. Hell...if she really can pull this off, I'll pay for the flight and she can stay at my house.

Lancastrian Oik

In Laurie's world, "Not defacing a war memorial" equates to "being cowed".

No, me neither.

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

I love this from the comments about the "TRAUMA!!!!!!!"

"Tories got gay marriage through. And what precisely is good about that? Equality? Oh yes being being able to enact an institution that has subordinated women and grants the state a say in the validity and control of my relationship. No thank you. It is a Tory con."

'They didn't make it compulsory you know.'

mojo

Excuse Me, Are You A Shitlord?
http://politicalwave.org/2015/05/04/excuse-me-are-you-a-shitlord/

Dyspeptic Curmudgeon

"There is no point. I'd say this country has gone to the dogs but it went years ago. I'm heartbroken here.
--charliechristian, staring at the ceiling in a mess of unwashed sheets"

@Steve2
Ah you fool! You idiot! You'll have given them the idea. The damn thing will be a short (ok very very short) one act play, put on at the Tate. Variously experimental art, or experimental drama (apply to 2 grants, doncha know). Or maybe even "transgressive" art if charlie wants to play it in the nude and includes the big (doesn't he wish) reveal.
You are so screwed! Heritage will suck it up!

David Gillies

I think the thing that's most touchingly bonkers about the garment-rending and ululating over at the Graun is the extent to which they think an outright Conservative majority will change things. It's going to be widders 'n' orphans out on the streets, and mill bosses bein' 'orrible crool, oh lawks yes Sir, whereas anyone who's been paying attention will know the compass needle is not going to shift by as much as a few degrees off due Social Democracy. Much as I would like some of the more histrionic predictions of Penny Dreadful etc. to eventuate (her nightmares sound like my wish list) it ain't gonna happen. We might get a slight headcount reduction in Quangolandia and a bit of deckchair shuffling with public spending but that's about it.

Dave M

In rhetoric, "fear" is just a derogatory term for "rationality". Anyway, I got your elsewhere right here, buddy.

David

Christopher Snowdon on pre-election fantasies:

The reality came later when the leaders faced a Question Time audience in Leeds. This time the real questions were asked. Did Labour overspend? How can Labour be trusted on the economy? How are you going to cut the deficit? Do you understand, let alone support, business? After stumbling in front of this audience, Ed Miliband must have been relieved when the media focused on him merely stumbling off the stage. The lefty Twittersphere erupted with complaints about the supposed right-wing bias of the audience. Another fantasy. It was simply the English electorate.

I suppose part of their problem is, lefties would rather talk to each other, competitively signalling their virtue, rather than talk to the electorate, which, all too often, they seem to disdain, if not openly despise. As the Guardian’s Philppa Perry put it, “hating the electorate for being stupid.”

Paco

The one thing that always bemuses me about the left is their binary view on everything.
If you voted Conservative or UKIP you must agree with everyone of their policies and therefore are evil. The left is always talking about "Nuance" but they refuse to accept that there is nuance in voting. You cannot cherry pick policies when you vote, or should I say when a non-leftist votes, you have to vote for a party and all their policies good or bad, so whomever you vote for is a balancing act. You try to weigh your policy priorities and preferences against those of each party and then vote for the best of a bad bunch. There may be policies with the party that you vote for that you dislike but you take the good, or should I say least worse, with the bad.
The left however will defend any policy their side advocates regardless. So principles such as free speech will be abandoned if they conflict with some other agenda. It is a "whatever it takes" attitude to get into power that overides any principle. They then assume that the other side must feel the same way so get incredibly confused when someone on the right backs principle over the party line.

Nikw211

I suppose part of their problem is, lefties would rather talk to each other, competitively signalling their virtue, rather than talk to the electorate …

The one thing that always bemuses me about the left is their binary view on everything.

Will the right honourable MP Emily Thornberry please step forward:

    Mrs Thornberry, who lives in a £3 million home in Islington, North London, told The Telegraph said that she thought that the image was “remarkable” because she had never seen a house “completely covered in flags before”.

That should have been the first pre-election clue for them, really.

David

That should have been the first pre-election clue for them, really.

Quite, and it’s part of a wider pattern, practically a reflex. Remember Gordon Brown and “that bigoted woman,” i.e., pensioner Gillian Duffy, who dared to mention immigration as a cause of concern, and whom Brown, still on-mic, dismissed as contemptible, saying that it was “ridiculous” that he should even have to be near her. The Guardian is a reliable supply of such disdain for the lower orders, who are typically viewed as something to be fixed, as is much of the left’s cultural, or pseudo-cultural, output. (Today Paul Mason, the economics editor of Channel 4 News and whose mind still lingers in the student union bar, tells us, “I do not want to be English… one man’s Englishness is another’s racism.”)

I’ve mentioned before an episode of Radio 4’s satirical revue Loose Ends, in which the Unfunny Leftist Comedian Of The Week was very much amused by the taboos surrounding immigration and multiculturalism. The tone was triumphal and the gist of his punch line was “Isn’t it hilarious that people who have concerns about immigration and assimilation now have to be quiet because otherwise they’ll be called racists. Ha! We won!” This was deemed incredibly funny. And note the assumed “we”. And yet many of the same comedians gasp in horror and bewilderment when the people they disdain look to other parties to address their concerns.

sackcloth and ashes

After the election results on 8th May
The Guardian journalist Polly Toynbee
Had leaflets distributed across King's Place
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the British left.
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts.

Would it not be easier
In that case for the Guardianistas
To dissolve the people
And elect another?

With apologies to Bertold Brecht.

RY

Paddy Ashdown:

"Polls helped Tories by magnifying fear factor."

The polls were neck and neck. Why couldn't they have helped Labour and the Lib Dems?

Logic?

David

Brian Micklethwait on the ‘politics of fear’ argument.

sackcloth and ashes

'Brian Micklethwait on the ‘politics of fear’ argument'.

So when Labour was telling us to vote for them or the NHS would be destroyed, they were giving us a positive message based on hope?

David

Stephen Fry gushes over Russell Brand, as it were.

Lancastrian Oik

The one thing that always bemuses me about the left is their binary view on everything.

Exactly- see Laurie Penny's tweet "No, what's disgusting is that some people are more worried about a war memorial than the destruction of the welfare state".

Typical of how the Left thinks and reacts- "If not (a), then (b)". That's it- no middle ground, no compromise.*

Whereas in the real world it is perfectly possible to be concerned about the defacement of a war memorial and simultaneously hope that the government can administer a fair and just welfare system. Caring about one does not automatically disqualify one from being able to express an opinion about the other, unless you're a shrill and shouty Marxoid harpy.

*When the Left do try to effect a compromise, they get it horribly wrong because it inevitably involves two irreconcilable and mutually antagonistic positions, so they end up with, for example, a Labour party rally attended by senior party figures, with a largely Muslim audience segregated by sex and with said senior party figures too cowardly to speak out.

sackcloth and ashes

'Whereas in the real world it is perfectly possible to be concerned about the defacement of a war memorial and simultaneously hope that the government can administer a fair and just welfare system. Caring about one does not automatically disqualify one from being able to express an opinion about the other, unless you're a shrill and shouty Marxoid harpy'.

This.

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