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June 18, 2016

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Tim Newman

What we see, basically, is that daughters are more likely to flourish educationally and even later on in life professionally, across class lines, when they’ve had an involved dad who’s engaged with them in their lives

Conversely, it is often the case that the young women who go off the rails have either had no father figure in their lives or has serious Daddy Issues with the one they've got. One of the things Chateau Heartiste is always banging on about is the importance of a decent father figure in a young girl's life to keep her away from scumbags by showing her what a decent man looks like.

Joan

Ha! Was just watching this on youtube. Penny Dreadful bangs on about poverty but advocates lifestyles that make poverty more likely.

David

Penny Dreadful bangs on about poverty but advocates lifestyles that make poverty more likely.

As lifestyle gurus go, Laurie leaves quite a lot to be desired. (See also, the left in general.) The things that Ms Penny would have her readers disdain and abandon, as both a “systemic lie” and an affront to radicalism, are in fact cultural resources, assets for living. Assets that the state can never replace. And as Mr Wilcox points out, “The data suggests that about a third of the increase in income inequality for families between the ‘70s and the 1990s was related to the retreat from marriage.”

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Watcher in the dark

As a father, I can vouch for the importance of fathers. At least, I have some importance to me so therefore, children, that goes for you too...

Mind you, I presume that Penny Plain never had a father, so I expect she saves a bunch of money every Father's Day.

David

I presume that Penny Plain never had a father,

By her own account, she had a two-parent, middle-class, quite comfortable upbringing. See also this.

Jimmy

Is there a more conformist and consistent leftist intellectual failing? Bourgeois for me, but not for thee!

David

Bourgeois for me, but not for thee!

As discussed in the previous thread, Laurie’s own education, career and globe-trotting adventures would have been much less likely without the bourgeois values and upbringing that she publicly disdains and urges others to abandon.

TheTooner

"...By her own account, she had a two-parent, middle-class, quite comfortable upbringing."

Is there any reason to believe what she ever says is true?

PiperPaul

"I presume that Penny Plain never had a father"

Might she have been extruded? Or perhaps assembled from equal parts of noise, bluster, outrage and pretence? [ Please feel free to add your own guess at possible raw material ingredients ]

jabrwok

I'll have to watch this when I get get back home (gotta get the morning run done). I do wonder why "patriarchy" is so often reviled as a bad thing. Rule by fathers (patri = father, archy = govern) has historically worked out really well. And marriage, by restricting a woman's sexual activity to one man, ensures that fatherhood is a recognized, sociological phenomenon rather than simply a matter of opinion. If a man has no idea that he's a father (or "baby-daddy" in the modern, ghetto parlance) because he's just one of a woman's stable of sex-partners, why should he care about a woman and her spawn? If men don't care about women and their children, where's our incentive to do all the Dirty Jobs necessary to build and maintain a better world?

David

Incidentally, the adverts mentioned in the interview – the ones that don’t portray dads as incompetent, irrelevant or buffoonish – can be seen here, here and here.

BackwardsBoy

Please feel free to add your own guess at possible raw material ingredients

I doubt any sugar and/or spice were involved.

R. Sherman

Conversely, it is often the case that the young women who go off the rails have either had no father figure in their lives or has serious Daddy Issues with the one they've got.

I've often wondered how much of this "fathers are meaningless/marriage is oppression" stuff is due to the fact that the purveyors of same only associate with people from dysfunctional backgrounds, i.e. no father or one who is a shit. Do they even know someone who's life experience includes a loving, involved dad? If they do know such people, then how much of their vitriol is simply a desire to destroy institutions which failed them simply in order to make sure everyone shares their misery?

David

Mr Wilcox’s paper, For Richer, For Poorer: How Family Structures Economic Success in America, can be read here.

David

If they do know such people, then how much of their vitriol is simply a desire to destroy institutions which failed them simply in order to make sure everyone shares their misery?