In this push for ethnic, sexual and racial diversity - which I think is just a mask to enforce ideological homogeneity - there’s no understanding that ideational diversity is the only relevant value for a university. The rest of it is all predicated on the assumption that if you select people because of their ethnicity or racial background or gender, that will, in and of itself, produce diversity of ideas - which is really pernicious… The idea that you’re going to get a diversity of ideas because you have a diversity of classes of people assumes that ideas and identity are the same thing. And that’s an absurd proposition. In fact that’s an essentially racial – and racist – proposition.
Joe Rogan chats, at length, with psychologist Dr Jordan Peterson.
The idea that you’re going to get a diversity of ideas because you have a diversity of classes of people assumes that ideas and identity are the same thing. And that’s an absurd proposition. In fact that’s an essentially racial – and racist – proposition.
That.
Posted by: sH2 | November 30, 2016 at 12:47
As has been said elsewhere of modern organisations: diversity in everything except thought.
Posted by: Tim Newman | November 30, 2016 at 12:50
That.
It’s rather like turning to one of your students and saying, “You, the brown boy. What’s the negro perspective on this engineering problem?”
But as Dr Peterson says, leftist identity politics is riddled with contradictions:
Needless to say, in a three-hour chat, there’s plenty more.
diversity in everything except thought.
Absolutely, and I doubt that’s an accident. I was reminded of the acronym L.E.T.E.L.U – Looks exotic, thinks exactly like us.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 12:54
“You, the brown boy. What’s the negro perspective on this engineering problem?”
Snort!
Posted by: Joan | November 30, 2016 at 13:21
I was reminded of the acronym L.E.T.E.L.U – Looks exotic, thinks exactly like us.
That's an outrageous slur. I've been to the BBC and there are plenty of BME staff who don't have the standard default metropolitan assumptions.
They are called cleaners and canteen staff.
Posted by: TDK | November 30, 2016 at 13:24
Snort!
It does, I think, capture something of the dynamic. See also this.
And given the incentives in terms of admissions standards, hiring preferences and that all-important victim status, some students will play up to this farce, stressing whatever aspect of their identity grants them attention, exemption or leverage. I’ve been told that some minority students will even feign what they think of as ‘ethnic’ speech and behaviour, acting out something close to a racial caricature.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 13:27
“You, the brown boy. What’s the negro perspective on this engineering problem?”
That, but you've already documented the green shoots of strangler figs crawling all over that one:
http://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2016/10/dont-oppress-my-people-with-your-white-devil-science.html
Posted by: NielsR | November 30, 2016 at 14:00
you’ve already documented the green shoots of strangler figs crawling all over that one
Heh. Yes, I’d forgotten about that one, somehow.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 14:09
Thanks for sharing this, David. I'm only an hour in and it's already one of the best interviews you've linked.
Posted by: Rafi | November 30, 2016 at 14:49
And given the incentives in terms of admissions standards, hiring preferences and that all-important victim status, some students will play up to this farce, stressing whatever aspect of their identity grants them attention, exemption or leverage.
See, e.g. "Dolezal, Rachel."
Posted by: R. Sherman | November 30, 2016 at 14:52
I’m only an hour in and it’s already one of the best interviews you’ve linked.
Oh, it’s definitely worth making time to listen to the whole thing. It’s sometimes darkly funny, often disconcerting, and it certainly covers lots of ground - much of which should be of interest to regulars here. Everything from why “social justice” scolds tend to be female, toxic academia, and the counterproductive nature of HR “diversity” training, to how the left exploits malice, Marvel hero archetypes, and the flat-Earth theories of the Black Liberation Collective.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 14:57
And let's not forget that because identity is (sometimes, when convenient) a social construct and it is impermissible to question a person's self-proclaimed identity, the Left has now opened itself to all manner of hucksters and con men.
Posted by: R. Sherman | November 30, 2016 at 15:01
the Left has now opened itself to all manner of hucksters and con men.
I don’t think this is a new phenomenon. See, for instance, Mr Marx.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 15:07
the Left has now opened itself to all manner of hucksters and con men.
And absolutely inspired trolling.
Posted by: Hedgehog | November 30, 2016 at 15:39
From current evidence it appears the greater the diversity of ethnic / gender / sexual-identification groups present in a university the more students and faculty members are to be moronically one-eyed and bovine (or 'impeccably liberal' as some would have it). http://bit.ly/28JffHd
Posted by: Lionel Ebb | November 30, 2016 at 16:40
Lorry Penny on Question Time tomorrow night apparently.
Posted by: ac1 | November 30, 2016 at 17:15
A brilliant interview and might I also suggest finding his podcast interview with Bryan Callen and Hunter Maats. It is a bit ironic how comedians seem to a) have the strongest sympathies with his viewpoints and b) seem to do a proper job of interviewing the good professor.
The fun will start in earnest in January; I doubt if the aggrieved will let him anywhere near his classroom to teach - surely "peaceful" protest will be on display, only to be ruined when those nefarious neo-Nazis show up. (refer to videos of his free speech rally at UoT)
Posted by: Marko | November 30, 2016 at 17:22
toxic academia
OSU Diversity Officer Urges Compassion for Somali Terrorist Who Attacked Students. "Stephanie Clemons Thompson urged her followers to have compassion for Artan after he expressed a desire 'to kill a billion infidels' and then tried to kill as many as he could at OSU. She also urged people to 'think of the pain he must have been in,' and used the hashtags #BlackLivesMatter and #SayHisName (which BLM uses to denote victims of police brutality)."
https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/11/29/osu-diversity-officer-urges-compassion-for-somali-terrorist-who-attacked-students/?singlepage=true
Posted by: Joan | November 30, 2016 at 17:22
Incidentally, Nick Matte, the alleged “gender scholar” mentioned in the interview, can be seen sharing his wisdom here.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 17:53
Elfwick admits defeat: https://twitter.com/GodfreyElfwick/status/803245063983812609
Posted by: dicentra | November 30, 2016 at 18:12
Right, I’ve got the in-laws coming for dinner, so I’m leaving you heathens unsupervised. Play nicely.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 18:19
I’ve got the in-laws coming for dinner
Who does the cooking?
Posted by: Geezer | November 30, 2016 at 18:30
@Joan: Also, in a fit of raging imbecility, Steffy Clowns Tossing urged people not to share the post. A public post. On the internet. With hashtags, which on another media platform than the one she used would be an aid to sharing.
As I believe the kids say, "Derp".
Posted by: Sporkatus | November 30, 2016 at 19:18
Who does the cooking?
Depends on the meal.
Posted by: David | November 30, 2016 at 20:48
They order Chinese take-away. Because cultural appropriation.
Posted by: Ted S., Catskill Mtns., NY, USA | November 30, 2016 at 21:00
And let's not forget that because identity is (sometimes, when convenient) a social construct and it is impermissible to question a person's self-proclaimed identity, the Left has now opened itself to all manner of hucksters and con men.
And, of course, the right wing just as much, with the same lack of logic and success . . . right wing islamists, right wing white power movements, right wing Hindi supporters of Trump 'cause he's going after the Muslims and equally right wing islamists . . . . . .
Happily there are the conservatives in between the right and left to at least call bullshit and keep the focus on how to best support all.
Posted by: Hal | November 30, 2016 at 21:22
. . . or, as a quibble, and noting the discussions of Hitler being left wing . . .
A statement of We don't care who you are as long as you follow our version of Christianity/Hinduism/Islam/Pastafarianism/Cthuhlu and agree with us that everyone else must convert or die would definitely be right wing identity politics and just as much a failure as the left wing variety.
A statement of We don't care who you are as long as you are;
white
black
left handed
socialist
republican
immigrant of any kind
nazi
perceived as working class
---If you want a giggle or a headache, your mileage may vary, look up Hoxhaism some time . . . .
middle class
descended from parents and grandparents born in this country, whatever this country is
polka dotted
tattooed
under fifty years old
over thirty years old
and agree with us that everyone else must effectively be enslaved or die would definitely be left wing identity politics and just as much a failure as the right wing variety.
Being centered and balanced and bookended by the right and left wing still rather remains having the focus on what to do . . .
Posted by: Hal | November 30, 2016 at 22:08
I don't care who you are as long as
you leave me the hell alone unless 1) I ask you not to, or 2) it's a life-or-death emergency.
Oh: Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Posted by: Fred the Fourth | November 30, 2016 at 23:18
Oh: Lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on my part.
Oh, another bit from doing only in San Francisco things like going to talks at the Marines' Club;
Swapping admin war stories with a just retired Marine Colonel with my situational retort being that the building isn't collapsing and no one is rampaging through the offices with a shotgun, so we will quite calmly just stare at the current issue for a bit and equally calmly then get around to assessing what solution to apply.
His version: I'm not calling general quarters just because you spilled your latte.
Posted by: Hal | December 01, 2016 at 00:19
Are classical liberals left or right?
Posted by: WTP | December 01, 2016 at 01:22
When universities promote diversity, you know that something was lost on the way.
Posted by: Hopp Singg | December 01, 2016 at 01:33
Are classical liberals left or right?
Classical liberals were right, but they've left.
Posted by: Hopp Singg | December 01, 2016 at 01:53
Classical liberals were right, but they've left.
Heh!
Are classical liberals left or right?
Yes.
Or somewhat neither, depending on the actual focus of the moment, i.e. assessing what particularly needs to be done at one time or another. Or, when needed, not done.
Posted by: Hal | December 01, 2016 at 03:23
Hal,
Yes, SF and the greater Bay Area have an, uhm, interesting relationship with the Marines and Navy.
A bit like the folk in Puerto Rico who forced the closure of the naval gunnery range (which was their right to do) but were then SO UPSET when Rosy Roads basically shut down, tanking the local economy.
How about that. Actions have consequences.
Au revoir, NAS Alameda and NAS Moffett Field / NASA Ames Flight Research Center.
Posted by: Fred the Fourth | December 01, 2016 at 04:20
When an education in social work takes on Maoist overtones.
Posted by: David | December 01, 2016 at 06:44
"Hoist with his own petards" comes inevitably to mind.
Hold on a mo, I may be able to work up a tear or two...
Posted by: Fred the Fourth | December 01, 2016 at 07:53
They order Chinese take-away. Because cultural appropriation.
There’s also a very good Thai restaurant up the road. The ladies who run the place really hate it when we oppress them with our custom.
Posted by: David | December 01, 2016 at 09:11
When an education in social work takes on Maoist overtones.
Following the links...to here.
Lefties aren't big on brevity, are they? Jesus wept. Don't these idiots have editors?
Posted by: Tim Newman | December 01, 2016 at 14:55
Apparently, Professor Parada is learning what happens to the first one to stop applauding.
Posted by: Spiny Norman | December 01, 2016 at 15:00
Don’t these idiots have editors?
Amid the self-flattery and pompous threats, what caught my eye was this:
Somewhere, the gods of irony are pissing themselves.
Posted by: David | December 01, 2016 at 15:01
We write this letter after witnessing a violent act of anti-Blackness, misogyny and misogynoir...While this violence came from one individual and was directed at another [Microaggression]...
Right. "Misogynoir", and a "violent microaggression".
This letter serves as a kind invitation to take action and rectify the situation before we escalate.
Nice, a kind threat.
In rage, solidarity and kindness,
Kind rage to go with the kind threat, why isn't that a misogynalbic microaggression ?
Posted by: Farnsworth M Muldoon | December 01, 2016 at 17:34
I saw Rage, Solidarity and Kindness open for Hoist with His Own Petards in 92.
Posted by: bgates | December 01, 2016 at 18:43
If it weren't for the likely collateral damage, we could all sit back and enjoy the spectacle of the Cultural Revolution devouring itself.
Posted by: Spiny Norman | December 01, 2016 at 18:51
Ace in a fairly long-ish piece pretty much (warning: possible microaggression) hit the nail on the head this morning:
Those crying the loudest about "racism" are in fact racists looking, praying for any damn reason to think that their accomplishment-free lives are somehow superior to tens of millions of others due to the minor happenstance of their skin tone. And those crying the loudest about "sexism" are just attempting to prove that men are inferior, so that they can take their rightful, God-Promised place as the Superior Sex.
And frankly, they've made this all too obvious in recent years. The stealth, polite-company racism and sexism we've long tolerated from these hateful people has been emboldened and envenomed by the Cult of Identity Politics and Social Justice Warriorism to the point where they barely bother to hide the fact that they literally hate people of different races or genders and want them to either 1, assume the correct posture of deference and second-class citizenship as God has willed it or 2, simply die away and depart the planet forever.
And now people are saying what we frankly should have said 30 years ago:
I do not believe you must defer to me, but I'll be damned to Hell before I'm bullied into deferring to you. Go fuck yourselves in the heart with a knife, Racist. Sexist. Islamist. Whatever brand of hateful Other-hating I'm-superior-because-of-my-DNA-or-randomly-determined-cultural-baggage supremacist you are.
Have I mansplained this too harshly?
I'd say not.
Posted by: Spiny Norman | December 01, 2016 at 19:12
Hmmm... David, I believe the spam filter has eaten my last comment. That's not happened to me in years. Literally.
Posted by: Spiny Norman | December 01, 2016 at 19:17
Freed.
Posted by: David | December 01, 2016 at 19:19
Somewhat related, Duke Pesta on how to transform education (and thereby transform the culture).
Posted by: David | December 01, 2016 at 19:28
Thankee, good sir!
Posted by: Spiny Norman | December 01, 2016 at 19:30
https://countrysquire.co.uk/2016/11/30/livingstone-staff-celebrated-911/
Livingstone Staff Celebrated 9/11
Posted by: ac1 | December 02, 2016 at 00:05
"When an education in social work takes on Maoist overtones."
from the attached, "While this violence came from one individual and was directed at another [Microaggression],"
The "violence" referred to was the Professor walking out of the room after a black female student finished her talk!
Posted by: champ | December 02, 2016 at 00:21
I'll just leave this here...
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/education/os-ucf-white-fliers-found-story.html
Posted by: WTP | December 02, 2016 at 03:00
We have a right to exist
I'm literally shaking in fear right now at the arrogance of white people imagining they have a right to exist. Don't they know it's 2016?
Posted by: Jonathan | December 03, 2016 at 11:27