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August 23, 2017

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WTP

Has anyone run across any commentary or come up with any reasonable guesses on this oddity?

Well, I think you're more aware of it as it is more of a San Francisco, or SF-wanna-be, kind of dress. I have noticed it in some of the video of these protest marches going back a year or so. I put it somewhat akin to the I-Wanna-Look-Like-Trotksy-With-Plausable-Deniability manifestation that I've seen on college campuses that cropped up again after memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall started to fade.

WTP

What you can do is convince sheltered adolescents who have never experienced any real hardship and are experiencing the big wide scary world out there for the first time (albeit in a university, one of the safest spaces - pun intended - one can imagine) that the anxieties they feel are Real Trauma, and that they should be feeling and acting the way Really Traumatized people do, with hysterical overreactions, demands for appeasement of their neuroses, etc.

As much as I hate to say it, I've seen similar circumstances in church settings. I often wonder if the decline of church attendance, especially among the 18-30 year old set, hasn't just moved this phycological manifestation from one, more localized if not private, setting to a more visible and public forum. One mostly supported with tax payer dollars.

Governor Squid

On the current trend in camouflage among hipsters, I see it as just another means for haute-couture artistes to take a symbol of something very traditional and subvert it into just another ironic fashion statement. That this subversion also takes a symbol of one of the last remaining respectable organizations and devalues it by slapping it on "men" who can't even change a tire is merely a happy accident, I'm sure.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

On the current trend in camouflage among hipsters...and subvert it into just another ironic fashion statement.

I think you are reading a bit too much into it, wearing bits and pieces of uniforms goes back decades, and falls into three general categories:

a) The article was issued to me (or I was required to buy it), it fits, is comfortable and functional, not falling apart, and I don't really give a damn if you disapprove;

b) Periodically fashionable urban chic;

c) Leftist goons trying to look all revolutionary-n-stuff, and the opposite, right wing wannabes trying to look like "operators" and who could change a tire, but probably have an MI in the process.

Those of us in category a) just laugh at the other two, though we tend to contain our sartorial splendor to outdoor activities and not in public in general.

Spiny Norman

...his crime was that he wouldn’t denounce all white people on demand.

According to this foolish woman, he was punched because he must be a white supremacist, otherwise they wouldn't have punched him. She uses "rational thought to assess what I read and see".

He's not being asked to denounce white ppl. She's asking what he thinks. I imagine she assumes he thinks they are better than the rest.

She tried to get him to out himself when a third party jumped in for a sucker punch.

Rational. Sure thing, toots.

The Ctrl-Left in a nutshell.

Squires

Ahem.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/Nicolai_Sennels/Muslims_and_Westerners%3A__The_Psychological_Differences/

Sporkatus

To expound on Daniel's very clear point from the last page about "faking a broken arm", perhaps another way to look at it would be - you can't fake a broken leg, but you could train a child to walk with a limp. The habit, once formed...

prm

There's plenty of interesting stuff in Squires' link. Some of it relevant here, I think.

For example, Anger:
The left has a subtle racist attitude particularly to those of a duskier religion. It basically reduces to "They can't help but be violent because they are so religiously passionate they can't control themselves." (Also often implied is that they are somehow more 'authentic', feeding into Romantic notions the left has of those Orientals untainted by Western evil.) And within those cultures, it seems, anger is seen as a sign of strength, implying that one should be taken seriously. Basically, 'Muh FEELZ'.

So we have the idea of mere passionate belief that things are so, or should be so, and that any deviation from this is a painful affront, to be met with anger.

Sound familiar?

It's all very Game Theoretic, Strong Horse type stuff. And explains the Obama Apology Tour/Can't we just have nice reasonable discussions Fail. They just saw him as a Weak Horse.

Hal

I think you are reading a bit too much into it, wearing bits and pieces of uniforms goes back decades, and falls into three general categories:

a) The article was issued to me (or I was required to buy it), it fits, is comfortable and functional, not falling apart, and I don't really give a damn if you disapprove;

What I'm seeing is definitely not A); the only times I've seen military issue clothing is on clearly currently serving personnel---For any reaction of But what about military surplus Stuff???, for hipsters, that's what the lower end of the banana navy continuum is for. My observation is that actual ex-military dresses far more tastefully than anything from T.B.N.C,---including as described with A)--- where any other clothing that is clearly military/veteran being military is moto Stuff, aka see also . . . .

All the particular stuff that I've been seeing more and more of is definitely very recently created items, where the increasingly noticeable oddity is that the fabric is camo, the recurring epaulets make no sense whatsoever---consider the difference between style and what occurs with hipsters---, and sometimes include the occasional bits of this-is-militaryIsh-insignia-that-bloody-well-clearly-is-not-military-use . . .

Surreptitious Evil

a) The article was issued to me (or I was required to buy it),
This side of the pond, we are actually legally banned from wearing stuff that makes us look like we are in uniform when we are not on duty.

My son wears most of my desert kit. I garden in the old "temperate woodland Cold War" stuff.

As an aside, when I came back from a long Iraq deployment, back when it was the most unpopular thing since Maggie, I was amazed at the amount of women and girls wearing a pink and grey version of DPM cameo.

Sort-of-Mad Max

"Dr. Klahn's Fighting Force of Extraordinary Magnitude."

You have my gratitude!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...the only times I've seen military issue clothing is on clearly currently serving personnel...

I don't know where you are, but you are not from around here, or evidently one with much military presence, come around some weekend when we're doing house/yard/car work, and you are going to see all kinds of issue items or unit affiliation/PT stuff worn. We might even wear them to go pick up something at Lowe's, but not a night on the town. The active duty among us don't care because all they see is the crotchety geezers they will be one day (just as I didn't in their shoes).

My observation is that actual ex-military dresses far more tastefully than anything from T.B.N.C...

Being one of the people in the quote I am not sure how you define "tasteful", as most of us have no conception of how to dress outside of the uniform of polo shirt, khaki pants, and bad haircuts. Granted, that is probably more tasteful than the Banana Navy, but is not exactly Savile Row. My personal theory is that if I get an LL Bean or Orvis catalogue and order what the guy on page 64 is wearing, I'll be acceptable in 85% of the US, as long as that is not the page with khaki pants and polo shirts.

As far as the newly ginned up faux militaria goes, we know it is crap, we know the people wearing it look like idiots (but don't let that fool you they really are) and other than the proverbial eye roll, to most of us it ain't nothing but a thing, as the saying goes.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

This side of the pond, we are actually legally banned from wearing stuff that makes us look like we are in uniform when we are not on duty.

Same over here if you are on active duty to include wearing individual pieces with the exception of t-shirts, PT gear, and some civilian looking outerwear (i.e., windbreaker) as long as all insignia were removed.

David

Somewhat relevant to the thread.

champ

This is really getting out of hand...

http://www.dailywire.com/news/20156/black-lives-matter-leader-pens-list-10-demands-amanda-prestigiacomo?utm_source=shapironewsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=082417-news-title&utm_campaign=two

dicentra

If people want to render themselves unemployable

Hello? They're employed at Google and Twitter and Facebook and ESPN. They're infiltrating the entire infrastructure.

MUCH worse before it gets better, if ever it does.

Hal

. . . come around some weekend when we're doing house/yard/car work, and you are going to see all kinds of issue items or unit affiliation/PT stuff worn.

Correct---house/yard/car work . . . where when I'm home I'm in and rarely popping out or around the neighborhood---and definitely not parked at the windows, for I do know what the outside world looks like . . !---, and in until I'm heading off somewhere else. So there may be assorted examples of that in my area, but I'm not seeing those . . .

We might even wear them to go pick up something at Lowe's, but not a night on the town.

Right again, especially the latter.

As far as the newly ginned up faux militaria goes, we know it is crap, we know the people wearing it look like idiots . . .

Correct . . . . and simply with my reaction being to spot more and more seeming to turn up, and getting left noting Why????

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...and getting left noting Why????

Why any fashion trend ? You have the posers in c) above, but b), who the hell knows what goes through designer's minds ? These are the same bozos trying to push "men's" lingerie, after all.

Camo/militaria seems to be cyclical, bits and pieces were popular in the '60s & '70s, camo in the '80s, and so on, I think it is just making a periodic resurgence.

WTP

The 1970's. Anyone remember the 1970's?

http://www.feelnumb.com/2010/01/14/john-lennons-famous-army-jacket-patches/

Hal

. . . camo in the '80s, and so on, I think it is just making a periodic resurgence.

There is that . . . albeit with most occurrences of hipsters being tacky and tasteless, yeah, yeah, it's a hipster, because if there was taste or style, the entity wouldn't be a hipster.

And then extending past merely being unable to select clothing instead of very odd costuming, with hipsters wearing Stuff that ostensibly signals capability to be mistaken for hoping to resemble the utter and absolute opposite of a hipster, Aaaaaaaahhhh, yeahright, not even in your worst nightmare, child . . . .

Farnsworth M. Muldoon

...with hipsters wearing Stuff that ostensibly signals capability to be mistaken for hoping to resemble the utter and absolute opposite of a hipster...

Yes, I remember the lumberjack phase, and no, they're not OK, even if the play all night and sleep all day. If we could convince them the Urkel look was the thing we could make a mint and match looks with capability.

pst314

(From the Behold Their Shining Wisdom Department)
Starvation: It’s a Small Price to Pay for Socialism! https://youtu.be/l5KUadzyV9A

via: http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/08/starvation-its-a-small-price-to-pay-for-socialism.php

Daniel Ream

you can't fake a broken leg, but you could train a child to walk with a limp. The habit, once formed...

That's an interesting counter-point. I work with people with real, diagnosable C-PTSD, and one of the things that has been rejected as a method of treatment is placing them in an environment where there are clear, rigid expectations and boundaries, and immediate positive and negative consequences for behaviour. Kind of a military school for the mentally ill. It doesn't work.

Since nobody funds treatment programs for the merely severely obnoxious, I have no idea whether the people LARPing mental illness have been permanently debilitated by the practice. I strongly suspect not, as I have seen occasional instances where the Ten Ton Hammer of adult responsibility has provoked an immediate dropping of the dysfunctional behaviour in favour of not getting expelled and/or charged with a crime.

jones

"[Pulls out basket of fresh puppies as an offering.]"

Is one obliged to cook them before eating?

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