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January 09, 2018

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Rafi

another manager, Liz Fong-Jones, who openly professed, in writing, that she “could care less about being unfair to white men.” A view she subsequently described as “absolutely reasonable.”

Said about any other group, she'd be fired immediately.

David

Said about any other group, she’d be fired immediately.

It would, I think, be a serious gaffe and career-jeopardising, rather than a credential, something to boast about, repeatedly and with impunity. Note that Ms Fong-Jones’ comments, which she doubled-down on, were not deemed controversial by her superiors or a basis for complaint. Indeed, the employee who complained about them was the one urged to be more “sensitive.”

If you’ve the time, it’s worth poking through the list of allegations and the various screengrabs, though it’s not a comforting experience. It’s a bit like peering into a creepy parallel universe, the identitarian left’s idea of a bureaucratic utopia. And it does, I think, reveal how “diversity” ideology translates in practice to double standards and nakedly racist sentiment, and a gleeful, almost competitive disdaining of the designated out-group, i.e., straight white males who aren’t overly beholden to the lies and psychodramas of identity politics.

David

Video of Mr Damore’s press conference regarding the lawsuit can be viewed here.

Nikw211

The details of the lawsuit can be read here and some of the allegations are worth perusing

I'll say!

David

I’ll say!

I’m not familiar with the subtleties of California’s employment law, but when managers at a massive company openly boast of purging “toxic whiteness,” as if being white were inherently egregious, and of blacklisting and punishing employees whom they suspect of being ideologically impure – of voting for Trump, or of holding mainstream conservative views, or of simply harbouring reservations about certain “diversity” policies – and who boast of this, often in overtly racial terms, as if this were a credential, a way of advancing within the company – then the words unfair and illegal don’t seem wholly inappropriate.

One might also ask how derailed and dysfunctional a company has become when it gets to the stage of, in effect, denigrating around half of its own workforce in order to appease the pernicious racial dogma of “social justice” devotees.

Ian

Just reading it now...

85. Gudeman compared this document [about how men are always wrong if a woman complains about bias] to that which “slave owners would have written for their slaves to help them understand how to interact with their masters,” [...]

Since "to google" has become a verb, perhaps "googley" ought to become an adjective? This lawsuit, and the googley behaviour being investigated by the federal government in respect to Harvard's student selection process, will hopefully be the start of a major pushback (both across the pond and here) against blatantly illegal "reverse discrimination" practices. It's been a long time coming.

Tom
If you’ve the time, it’s worth poking through the list of allegations and the various screengrabs, though it’s not a comforting experience.

Oh, it's far worse then just not being a comforting experience. Read the allegations and then ruminate on the power that Google and its many subsidiaries hold in the modern world. Consider that these people seem to hate free speech and the very idea that anyone could hold opposing thoughts to what they deem 'good'.

After reading a list of the allegations from a Twitter thread started by the law office bringing the suit for Damore I changed my mind from hoping he won, to wanting to see Google burned to the ground and salt scattered in its ashes.

Nikw211

Section 123 reads:

    123. Google furnishes a large number of internal mailing lists catering to employees with alternative lifestyles, including furries, polygamy, transgenderism, and plurality, for the purpose of discussing sexual topics.

The word plurality is linked to the following footnote, which I confess I am struggling to comprehend.

David

After reading a list of the allegations… I changed my mind from hoping he won, to wanting to see Google burned to the ground and salt scattered in its ashes.

It’s interesting that Google’s own vanity and signalling of piety – its embrace of “diversity” dogma and all of the neurotic spite that goes with it – may prove to have inflicted the greatest damage to the company’s image.

David

catering to employees with alternative lifestyles, including furries... for the purpose of discussing sexual topics.

As Damore’s lawyer Harmeet Dhillon points out, Google’s shareholders may be wondering why the company is spending so much of its time and resources on “toxic whiteness” seminars and “discussing sexual topics,” while policing the private political views of its employees.

David

And note that, during the press conference video, at least two journalists don’t appear to have read the actual memo that started the saga, mouthing instead the wildly perverse construal favoured by much of the mainstream media.

R. Sherman

Perhaps it's just me, but I can't help getting whiff of the "We fear the Dane; Let's cough up the Danegeld" mindset when contemplating the atmosphere at Google. After all, the company was founded by men of pallor and brought to its current dominance by same. I sense a fear of being denounced as a bastion of white, male privilege, so they twist themselves into contortions to (competitively) demonstrate how "woke" they are--all for the purpose of avoiding having to defend themselves and their own dominance in the industry.

Flubber

A lot of leftists loathe white people. This has been well documented by various people on twitter. White privilege is just a way of shutting up white people while mass immigration is being used as a tool to destroy white societies.

If current trends continue there will not be aa white nation on the earth in 50 years time.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...wanting to see Google burned to the ground and salt scattered in its ashes...

Yes, please, and take Faceplace with it. Regarding google and their supposed high-mindedness, I couldn't help but notice this:

GOOGLE, LLC, a Delaware limited liability company

IOW, for the non-US&A folks here who may not know it, this means they are dodging the onerous California corporate taxes, which seems a tad hypocritical of them as they are not Paying Their Fair Share™.

R. Sherman

@Farnsworth

The place of incorporation does not necessarily insulate one from taxes in the location[s] where one does business. Delaware is the most popular choice for business organization because its laws make it very easy to do so and I believe the costs of organization are minimal. Still, business entities are required to register and obtain authorization to do business in every state where they operate, though "operation" is subject to definition. Still, having a big-ass complex and a zillion employees in a particular place undoubtedly counts.

Sam Duncan

I've just spent an hour or so reading the lawsuit. What surprises me is that Google is doing so well, given the calibre of idiots it appears to employ.

“A lot of leftists loathe white people.”

FTFY. Leftists are very big on “the people”, in the abstract (or some specific variation thereof; “the poor”, “the disadvantaged”, etc.) but their concern always seems to fall down when confronted with actual individual people. Which we saw so clearly in Google's reaction to Damore “advocating for ... treat[ing] people as individuals, not as just another member of their group”. That's simply not something the Left, in its collectivism, can countenance.

TheTooner

New Google slogan: "Don't be evil. Leave that to us."

sk60

"Mandatory sensitivity training"

https://www.prageru.com/videos/what-happens-when-google-disagrees-you

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Sr. Sherman,

I will defer to your legal expertise, and they may be enjoying California subsidies that some of the aerospace firms get, however, google appears, from reading Forbes/Fortune/etc., to have a large history, especially with overseas operations, of tax avoidance. Of course they are not the only ones doing this sort of thing, and from a business perspective, it makes perfectly good sense to use all legal means not to pay taxes, but it still doesn't square with their overall leftist philosophies of soaking the "rich".

David

“Mandatory sensitivity training”

Again, it’s like peering into a creepy parallel universe, in which views that are commonplace and unremarkable, and that are supported both by evidence and everyday experience, are deemed scandalous and unspeakable, and in which those who hold such views, even quietly, are deemed in need of shaming, shunning and punishment.

[ Added: ]

While poking through the examples in the lawsuit, what struck me was the readiness and glee with which managers and employees devised ways to exclude and punish any hint of WrongThought™, any suspected deviation from their own leftist pieties. There are emails and screengrabs showing managers boasting of creating blocklists or “shitlists” of any employees who’d at any time, anywhere, made statements that could be construed as “unsupportive of diversity” or simply “conservative.” Any employees added to such “shitlists” would as a result find themselves unable to work with or even contact the person or groups of people who’d blocked them, often automatically and based on hearsay, and would then be a target for attempts to sabotage promotion or contract renewal.

pst314

Since "to google" has become a verb, perhaps "googley" ought to become an adjective?

How about: To be harassed and bullied by leftists is to be "touched by his googley appendage".

Squires

I sense a fear of being denounced as a bastion of white, male privilege, so they twist themselves into contortions...

Related:
http://takimag.com/article/the_brutality_of_the_resistance_david_cole#axzz53bmTzJu6

And:
https://underdogsbiteupwards.wordpress.com/2018/01/08/insularity/

Divide and control, and as old Mo' said, be made "victorious through terror."

R. Sherman

Farnsworth,

"Tax Avoidance" sounds so . . . dirty. I am reminded of the sage words of one of my tax professors at Mizzou back in the day about the two fundamental and most important rules of tax law:

Rule 1: When in doubt, deduct!

Tempered by

Rule 2: Don't be a pig about it.

Anyway, as indicated, one may be subject to the tax laws of multiple jurisdictions, though the place of organization is generally irrelevant to that determination. A certificate of business organization, i.e. corporation, L.L.C., limited partnership, etc., is analogous to a birth certificate. It's not where you're born that counts. It's where you make your money. It get's complicated, but there are all sorts of rules regarding credits and so forth that ameliorate the problem of being taxed on the same dollar of income multiple times by different entities.

WTP

What surprises me is that Google is doing so well, given the calibre of idiots it appears to employ.

Such things used to surprise me. Until I worked at NASA with a few "rocket scientists". And elsewhere with PhD's and lawyer types and the few, very few, Ivy Leaguers that I have met (like two). My theory (and I'm guessing I'm not alone but since I've never seen anyone else express it, well dammit it's MY theory) is that many "smart" people are only "smart" because they have lived very sheltered lives. They haven't had to waste brain cycles analyzing or prepping for various potential physical threats, nor had their ideas threatened by other ideas outside the denomination of The Narrative that they were raised in. And they've had plenty of resources to fall back on if they fail. Likely that they were not raised very close to the survival line, such that failure was a viable option. Failure is a very good teacher, up until the point that hubris eventually kicks in. And then you get Google.

Hey, it's a theory. Obviously still needs a bit of polishing.

R. Sherman

They haven't had to waste brain cycles analyzing or prepping for various potential physical threats, nor had their ideas threatened by other ideas outside the denomination of The Narrative that they were raised in. And they've had plenty of resources to fall back on if they fail.

Yup.

There is an insularity among the "elite" which prevents them from seeing how truly fragile their/our existence really is.

Stan

I look forward to the social justice warrior lawyers arguing in court that name calling and putting people on shitlists really doesn't cause any harm.

I also look forward to the make up of the legal team that will be constructed on social justice principles and not on merit.

bex

what struck me was the readiness and glee with which managers and employees devised ways to exclude and punish any hint of WrongThought™... Any employees added to such “shitlists”... would then be a target for attempts to sabotage promotion or contract renewal.

Looks like SJWs are just really awful people.

Criticas

California, unlike many states, has a law which makes it illegal for an employer to discriminate on the basis of political views. It was adopted in the 1930's, largely to protect the Left.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=LAB&sectionNum=1101

No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:

...
(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.

What a lovely application of Alinsky's advice to "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."

Splotchy

I note while Google regarded Damore and other white males as utterly unworthy, their advocacy of other ‘plural’ individuals, eg: a Google employee who sexually identifies as a “yellow-scaled wingless dragonkin” and “an expansive ornate building”

David

Looks like SJWs are just really awful people.

It is, I think, often the case. And I suppose you have to wonder what kind of person spends so much time and effort – work time, presumably – plotting the exclusion and shaming, or career ruin, of other employees, including people they’ve never met, based on rumours that those people aren’t sufficiently keen on double standards or racial favouritism.

Killer Marmot

Google has achieved some technical quasi-monopolies, and that buffers them from the full brunt of the marketplace.

But such a toxic culture must hurt their competitiveness. When one feels unwelcome, one tends to go elsewhere, those with talent especially so. Even those who are Designated Victims must find such an environment uncomfortable. If the company allows harassment of white males, how do you know that Asian females might one day be the target? A corporate culture based on anything except merit feels pernicious, and damages productivity.

The good news is that even Google will not maintain its dominant position forever. No technical company does. And their decline might inject some reality into their culture.

Sam Duncan

“I look forward to the social justice warrior lawyers arguing in court that name calling and putting people on shitlists really doesn't cause any harm.”

Oh, yes. I really hope they don't settle out of court, because a hearing will be hugely entertaining.

“The good news is that even Google will not maintain its dominant position forever. No technical company does.”

For various reasons, including but not limited to this suit, I predict that this is the year Google's downfall begins. It won't happen overnight by any means, but when the final history is written, 2018 will be The Year It All Started to Go Wrong (unless you backdate it to Damore's firing). Mark my words.

jabrwok

I predict that this is the year Google's downfall begins.

I just hope YouTube either gets new management or a decent competitor appears. I've looked at a few other video-hosting sites, but none are as intuitive as YT, nor do they appear to have the kinds of videos in which I am interested (DIY woodworking mostly).

Spiny Norman

I changed my mind from hoping he won, to wanting to see Google burned to the ground and salt scattered in its ashes.

I've been of a "burn Google to the ground" mind for at least a decade, and have avoided using any of their services if at all possible. I was furious when they bought YouTube, and I really wish there were a viable competitor. Microsoft may be shit about security and snooping, but Google is infinitely worse. They make the NSA look like amateurs. (Well, most times the NSA makes themselves look like amateurs.)

Governor Squid

What surprises me is that Google is doing so well, given the calibre of idiots it appears to employ.

I believe this observation confuses cause and effect. The SJW crowd doesn't found and foster successful organizations; rather, it finds successful organizations with enough resources to support a few Angry Studies majors, and then inexorably hollows out the organization until it collapses under the weight of so much deadwood. We're just fortunate that we're alive to see the collapse happening in tech, media, and the universities all at the same time.

Like Sam and others, I wouldn't be surprised to see Google suffer in the next few years, especially if a couple of juicy sexual harassment suits come to light to add fuel to the fire. We'll have to see what sprouts up to take its place, and how long it takes the new organization to be co-opted and suffer the same fate.

Perhaps, as the education bubble bursts and the traditional universities collapse, a business school will pop up that teaches entrepreneurs the danger of letting SJWs infiltrate their companies.

PiperPaul

"What surprises me is that Google is doing so well, given the calibre of idiots it appears to employ."

The great (or maybe not-so-great) thing about automation is that you can accomplish so much with so few (competent) people. After the coming robotocalypse, corporations will pay much higher taxes if not employing X employees per Y millions of dollars in revenue.

Which of course means all kinds of phoney-baloney, low-paid, mind-numbing jobs will be created.

But maybe ClimateChange™ will get us first, saving us all from such misery.

pst314

the danger of letting SJWs infiltrate their companies

Letting leftists do anything more consequential than clean floors is dangerous.

aelfheld

"Don't be evil" is apparently situational.

aelfheld
I also look forward to the make up of the legal team that will be constructed on social justice principles and not on merit.

Google may be neck deep in 'social' 'justice' 'principles' but you can be d----d sure they're going to use lawyers selected for merit & capability first & foremost.

Spiny Norman

The SJW crowd doesn't found and foster successful organizations; rather, it finds successful organizations with enough resources to support a few Angry Studies majors, and then inexorably hollows out the organization until it collapses under the weight of so much deadwood.

https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/664089892599631872

Spiny Norman

Hmmm, that didn't work. This is what that link is supposed to be:

David Burge @iowahawk.com

1. Identify a respected institution.
2. kill it.
3. gut it.
4. wear its carcass as a skin suit, while demanding respect.
#lefties

dicentra

Remember how we predict that when the college-age snowflakes get into the real world they'll get their comeuppance?

Looks like they DON'T. Instead, they transform a place into Mean Girls writ large.

It doesn't look like there are enough adults in Google management to read the riot act to the smug bullies and blacklisters.

They also appear to provide entirely too many "social media" forums for employees to interact, which I'll warrant is where the SJWs got the idea that they were strong enough and righteous enough to deliver smackdowns to the untermenschen.

My company's HQ is just down the road from Google's, but we don't have online socialization forums wherein we're encouraged to talk about non-work-related issues. God help me if we ever do.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Remember how we predict that when the college-age snowflakes get into the real world...Looks like they DON'T.

Yes, but working for google, Facespace, or any of those other idiots isn't exactly the real world...

Daniel Ream

The great (or maybe not-so-great) thing about automation is that you can accomplish so much with so few (competent) people.

What tends to get forgotten is that Google only has one product: AdSense (the context-sensitive ad displays on web pages and all their apps). That's the only thing that brings in money; everything else is essentially an R&D project. That one product brings in such a firehose of cash, though, that they can afford to float a very, very large enterprise full of failed experiments and useless staff.

A number of my former university colleagues have gone on to work for Google, Amazon and Facebook. To put it charitably, those places are f*cking looney-tunes. There's a small cadre of technically brilliant people who built the core technology, and a huge mass of hangers-on who are varying levels of competent and deranged.

David

Yes, but working for google, Facespace, or any of those other idiots isn’t exactly the real world...

Referring to their own headquarters as a campus now seems oddly significant.

PiperPaul

"they transform a place into Mean Girls writ large"


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Trevor

If I were a major shareholder in, or owner or boss of, such a company I'd be looking to make enormous savings on staffing costs. At the very least I'd look into what proportion of these anguished screeds irrelevant to the business are posted during working hours, and make salary adjustments accordingly, followed by a cull of the worst offenders. (I do know that I sound hopelessly out of touch with the modern workplace, but still think that sanity and reason are on my side.)

R. Sherman

Via Iowahawk, a business in North Carolina which seems to have navigated these waters pretty well. Google could a learn something methinks. (By all means, stay for the end.)

Daniel Ream

Referring to their own headquarters as a campus now seems oddly significant.

A bit of history: that predates Google by a fair bit. A campus proper is any collection of buildings and lands that are part of a common institution; the "IBM Campus" dates back to the 70's.

That said.

Microsoft originated, and subsequent tech companies aped, the practice of making their work environments as much like university as possible. They did this because university students are accustomed to working in poorly equipped offices for long hours, subsisting on vending machine food, producing brilliant work and loving every minute of it. Several companies go so far as to have "mini-malls" with subsidized medical, hairdressing, and laundry services on site so the employees don't leave work to go to these things.

Part of this is internal electronic fora on topics that are completely unrelated to work, just like a university community has. They used to be USENET newsgroups (which should give you an idea how long this practice has been going on) and now they're web fora.

So it's not an accident or serendipity that the corporate culture at these places so resembles the Clown Quarter of Academia. It's by design.

Richard

Google must be wonderfully successful if they can generate enough cash to pay 80,000 people and still support all of those freeloaders. Imagine their margins if they could dump the deadwood. One wonders how many employees they actually NEED as opposed to how many employees they HAVE.

David

it’s not an accident or serendipity that the corporate culture at these places so resembles the Clown Quarter of Academia. It’s by design.

And behold the fruit.

Hal

. . . while mass immigration is being used as a tool to destroy white societies.

Um, hang on . . . Scuzzi?!?!?!?

Sooo, immigration does indeed occur, where in a number of instances, a large bunch of people leave area A to go to area B, where rather a number of reasons could cause this.

So, a bit back we did rather confirm that immigration does tend to be a very good practice, where the established history shows a lot of benefits to the nation that the immigrants go to.

Now, of the claim of being used as a tool, are you actually trying to attempt to claim that someone has managed to trigger at least one, and possibly more, instances of mass movement of people for the purpose of those people going to a specific other location?

There certainly are many instances of someone announcing You lot, get the hell out of here, Now but that is an order to leave. There are situations such as the creations of America and Israel, where the destination is announce and arranged, along with general announcement of Y'all come and play.

So either you rather misphrased, or really can actually cite deliberate targeted immigration, or, the correct statement is that there are zero instances of mass immigration is being used as a tool . . .

Richard Cranium

Well, there was a rather large amount of immigration of Germans to various locations in Europe a couple of times last century.

They didn't integrate well with the local populations.

pst314

Hal, maybe you are not aware of this, but leftists in America and the UK have admitted and even boasted that they used and intended to use immigration to radically "transform" the native society into one more to their liking.

Furthermore, immigration in and of itself is not good: It all depends on who the immigrants are. Is their culture compatible? Do they want to assimilate? Or do they hold views incompatible with and even hostile to the host culture? Consider, for example, Sweden, where rape was extremely rare until the arrival of huge numbers of Muslims. Similarly, life for gays in the Netherlands was pretty darn good, until Muslims started threatening and assaulting them.

Trilby

There is a belief that all immigration is beneficial to the receiving country, and this is likely true of immigration targeting educated persons with needed skills. Tack on a small allowance for humanitarian reasons and the policy is beneficial to all concerned.

Unfettered immigration of persons with significant skill shortages and incompatible cultural differences, as seen in Germany and other parts of Europe in recent years, has only provided an increased welfare burden. I doubt that this could be seen as a positive outcome.

Here in Australia, we find that for some groups of 'refugees', employment of migrants remains at consistently low levels, even after 5 years. This merely confirms to many that our guilt-derived generosity is being taken advantage of.

In all instances of undocumented arrivals, here and overseas, the SJW's and Leftists are the most vocal in telling us that taking in these 'oppressed' and 'persecuted' groups fleeing (insert adverse condition here) is a wonderful thing and we should welcome more with open arms into our tolerant and generous societies. It's our national and social responsibility, after all. As long as they aren't located anywhere near them, of course.

I sincerley doubt this is done with malicious intent, but it is still virtue signalling suicide all the same.

pst314

Example:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
"The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and "rub the Right's nose in diversity", according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett."

Hal

Well, there was a rather large amount of immigration of Germans to various locations in Europe a couple of times last century.

Uh, huh, noting of course that a bog standard war is not what's being discussed . . .

leftists in America and the UK have admitted and even boasted that they used and intended to . . .

Uh, huh^2, with, as rather well noted, the ongoing track record of success for anything "intended" by "leftists" . . .

So the question stands, and we're still waiting for an actual, viable instance of . . . while mass immigration is being used as a tool to destroy white societies. . . . of whatever exactly that was actually supposed to be.

It all depends on who the immigrants are. Is their culture compatible? Do they want to assimilate? Or do they hold views incompatible with and even hostile to the host culture?

Uh huh^3, all being issues of which individual immigrant are we talking about here, which has also been discussed, noting the rather easy distinction between the large number of actual immigrants and the quite smaller number of mere criminals, whether the local variety of criminal, or imported . . .

As was already noted upthread . . .

Leftists are very big on “the people”, in the abstract (or some specific variation thereof; “the poor”, “the disadvantaged”, etc.) but their concern always seems to fall down when confronted with actual individual people. Which we saw so clearly in Google's reaction to Damore “advocating for ... treat[ing] people as individuals, not as just another member of their group”. That's simply not something the Left, in its collectivism, can countenance.

"The people" . . . "the immigrants" . . . "the poor" . . . "the disadvantaged" . . . all the same . . .

pst314

Uh, huh^2, with, as rather well noted, the ongoing track record of success for anything "intended" by "leftists" . . .

I'd say the left has been rather successful in its efforts. Both America and Britain now have elected officials who are radical Muslims, yes? Large numbers of immigrants have changed the voting demographics. And, of course, they have swelled the welfare rolls which is a good thing according to Cloward-Piven. Since the left views white Europeans as suspect at best and likely evil, an immigration program which relegates them to minority status is a Good Thing--and indeed the left has been crowing that in recent years.

champ

Finally, the 21st Century delivers...

https://arstechnica.com/science/2018/01/with-ingestible-pill-you-can-track-fart-development-in-real-time-on-your-phone/

Monty James

Test to see if I can post using Chrome.

Monty James

Huh. Well, either Firefox is wobbly or else I might be blocked. Haven't had trouble with Firefox up until now. If I'm blocked, David, I'll stay blocked and not bother you any more. If not, I'll simply have to figure out what's wrong with Firefox.

R. Sherman

I really don't think there's any question that large numbers of immigrants from places which have no history of pluralist, liberal democracy, have no desire to obtain same, and have no discernible skill-set to offer their hosts are quickly remaking--for the worse--many Western societies (note, I didn't say "white."). The examples have been stated above. I seem to have read that California's welfare rolls and Medicare expenditures are at the breaking point because of illegal immigrants, though I don't have a cite immediately at hand.

The question becomes, why is this allowed, then? Who benefits, other than the immigrants who get to leave Turdistan and get a much cushier life at someone else's expense? This is one answer. Or, no doubt there are other Leftists who believe the West needs to be destroyed as penance for some non-specified colonialist sins of our forefathers. Our host has documented such sentiments on these pages.

pst314

I seem to have read that California's welfare rolls and Medicare expenditures are at the breaking point because of illegal immigrants, though I don't have a cite immediately at hand.

I don't have a link handy, but Victor Davis Hanson has been writing about this for years. (He notes that California even suffers from medical welfare tourism, wherein Mexicans in need of medical treatment come to California hospitals which by law must treat everyone, even illegal immigrants.) City Journal may have some articles on this, too.

Daniel Ream

there are zero instances of mass immigration is being used as a tool

Wrong. During the Great Irish Famine, the British government explicitly encouraged mass immigration of Irish refugees to Quebec in order to overwhelm and marginalize the existing French population.

Ian

How about: To be harassed and bullied by leftists is to be "touched by his googley appendage".

It could catch on.


I don't have a link handy, but Victor Davis Hanson has been writing about this for years.

Speaking of NR guys, and in an awkward segue, I note that David French has a pretty good article on the Damore lawsuit up today. Of interest to me was the mention of federal law (i.e., the Civil Rights Act 1964, I presume, and at least) which has only been brought up dismissively in other articles I've read (one writer claiming white men are "simply not a protected class"). I'm not sure how this might work out, but if the lawsuit somehow fails in California perhaps it might be pursued in the federal courts? (I appreciate that wouldn't make sense now, since California laws are more advantageous for this lawsuit.)

On a related point, does anyone here know how jurisdiction might work if a lot of Googlers come forward from outside California (noting paras. 15-16 of the complaint)? Might separate federal proceedings be necessary for some of these potential complainants, or could they be folded in because so much of the business is run in Mountain View? Seems dubious to me.

R. Sherman

@Ian

If the court certifies the class, then Google and the plaintiffs will try to assemble a list of potential claimants. It might include anyone whose ever applied for a job or sent a resume. Those people would receive written notice of the suit with instructions about submitting a claim. They can do that and receive a portion of any award or settlement in California and be bound by same or opt out of the class action if they wish to do something themselves in a locale which would have jurisdiction over the offense, i.e. where the tort occurred, e.g. a university campus where an interview was conducted.

Ian

@R. Sherman

Thanks for the clarification. Given that Google has roughly 50,000 employees in the US, that's a huge base for potential claimants.

Ian

... and not counting everyone who formerly worked for Google or who applied for a job there.

Hal

there are zero instances of mass immigration is being used as a tool

Wrong. During the Great Irish Famine, the British government explicitly encouraged mass immigration of Irish refugees to Quebec in order to overwhelm and marginalize the existing French population.

Interesting. Of course, that too is not what's being discussed.---Albeit just in case, that comment was while mass, not white mass.

So the question stands, and we're still waiting for an actual, viable instance of . . . while mass immigration is being used as a tool to destroy white societies. . . . of whatever exactly that was actually supposed to be.

Targeting white societies . . . So sending the white Irish off the overwhelm the white French doesn't count.---and we're fairly certain that the Irish are white.

. . . unless you're attempting an awfully interesting interpretation of Black Irish.

Dan Tanin

Prediction: Google's legal team will be all-white.

Richard Cranium
Uh, huh, noting of course that a bog standard war is not what's being discussed . . .

So if all those German troops had merely left their weapons behind, all would have been hunky-dory? It's a bit of a shame that the Germans never thought of doing that.

I could also trot out what happened to the Western Roman Empire with barbarian auxiliaries, but I'm sure that your Google-fu is capable of finding that out with no help from me. Quite a few native American tribes might have some thoughts about that as well; in fact, importing large numbers of people from incompatible cultures has been proven to be a disaster in history so often that only a "conservative" in Berkeley would think otherwise.

W Krebs

A related story.

http://dailycaller.com/2018/01/09/googles-new-fact-check-feature-almost-exclusively-targets-conservative-sites/

David

If I’m blocked, David, I’ll stay blocked and not bother you any more. If not, I’ll simply have to figure out what’s wrong with Firefox.

You’re definitely not blocked, Monty. You’d have to set fire to the drapes for something like that. Whatever the issue is, it’s not my doing. I recall others had some problems with Firefox and commenting. Have you cleared the cache?

David

Mr Damore is interviewed by Tucker Carlson.

David

Another point worth touching on is the glib dismissal of claims of discrimination when the complainant is white or male, or conservative or whatever, even when the evidence is quite compelling, as in Damore’s case. Browsing leftist websites, I’ve seen countless comments sneering at the very idea that anyone white or male could ever be treated unfairly in the name of “diversity” or “social justice.” Apparently, it’s unthinkable.

But I suppose this is what happens when tens of thousands of students have been encouraged to default to a non-reciprocal worldview, in which Designated Victim Groups are always and forever victimised and put-upon, by dint of mere existence, supposedly by Designated Oppressor Groups, i.e., white males, and are always and forever entitled to unilateral exemptions, double standards and special indulgences, regardless of the insult and disfavour experienced by others. For those doing the sneering, the idea of reciprocal standards – principles and mutual courtesies – seems anathema, or at least entirely alien.

[ Edited. ]

David

Re my previous comment, today’s word is journalism.

I wonder if the reporter, Katie Shepherd, has actually read Mr Damore’s memo. If so, she hides it well.

David
James Damore’s lawsuit against Google paints a picture of a company that appears more Scientology than IBM.

Darleen Click has some thoughts.

R. Sherman

Another point worth touching on is the glib dismissal of claims of discrimination when the complainant is white or male...

Thanks to all those years of battlefield prep, wherein words like "racism" and "discrimination" were redefined to require a "power" component. Thus, because Damore is white & male, he is part of some nebulous power structure which makes it impossible for him to be discriminated against, by definition. His only role is to do sacrificial penance for the sins of the rest of us.

David

Too good not to swipe, really.

pst314

Monty Well, either Firefox is wobbly or else I might be blocked.
David Have you cleared the cache?

Monty, In case you have not seen my comment in an earlier thread: Firefox add-ones such as NoScript can be a problem, largely because Firefox and NoScript have been undergone a major rewrite.

pst314

So if all those German troops had merely left their weapons behind, all would have been hunky-dory? It's a bit of a shame that the Germans never thought of doing that.

Your sarcasm is on target. For just a few examples, it is easy to find Muslims and Mexicans who openly say that they are using immigration to conquer hated others.

pst314

"the correct statement is that there are zero instances of mass immigration is being used as a tool . . ."

MEChA is quite open about wanting to use immigration as a tool of conquest.

Turk Turkleton

Browsing leftist websites, I’ve seen countless comments sneering at the very idea that anyone white or male could ever be treated unfairly in the name of “diversity” or “social justice.”

Matthew Walther, one of the lowest-watt models on display at The Week's Dim Bulb Emporium, manages to accuse Damore of "#GamerGate online racist misogyny-bro English". It's like they reach into a lottery ball spinner filled with left-wing epithets when they need to meet a word count.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

For just a few examples, it is easy to find Muslims and Mexicans who openly say that they are using immigration to conquer hated others.

La Raza (which recently changed its name to the more "friendly" UnidosUS), and the Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA) and the whole "Reconquista" of "Aztlan" business, for instance.

“In the spirit of a new people that is conscious not only of its proud historical heritage but also of the brutal gringo invasion of our territories, we, the Chicano inhabitants and civilizers of the northern land of Aztlan from whence came our forefathers, reclaiming the land of their birth and consecrating the determination of our people of the sun, declare that the call of our blood is our power, our responsibility, and our inevitable destiny. … Aztlan belongs to those who plant the seeds, water the fields, and gather the crops and not to the foreign Europeans. … We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.

This bit always cracks me up, "...and not to the foreign Europeans...". This is said by a "Chicano", which identity group wouldn't exist with out those damn Spanish who, last time I looked, were European, and the "civilizers" of the human sacrificing stone agers.

Also note that they stole Mussolini's quote and changed "state" to "race", so you have a pretty good idea where these clowns are coming from.

R. Sherman

This is said by a "Chicano", which identity group wouldn't exist with out those damn Spanish who, last time I looked, were European, and the "civilizers" of the human sacrificing stone agers.

What's interesting is that the thing which in many ways constitutes the "unifier" of Mexican-ness is the Virgin of Guadalupe. She appears as a mestiza to Juan Diego, an indigenous person, in 1531, thereby demonstrating the unity of Spanish and native peoples in a unique Mexican identity. As you put it, Chicano identity necessitates acknowledging the Spanish colonizers. It cannot exist without the Spanish predicate.

Monty James

Thank you, David. I couldn't stand it if I'd made myself unwelcome, somehow. The disgrace--what would I tell Mother?

pst314, I hadn't seen the comment, but thank you for the tip. A brief skimming of Mozilla's Help page indicates that Firefox Quantum, which I innocently installed, seems to disable several add-ons without the courtesy of informing users, NoScript being very prominent amongst these. I'll have to keep digging.

For now I can post using Chrome, which I don't very much like because I don't have much use for Google, which is funny given the subject of this post. Brave might do the trick, I'll try that next.

Pst314

Too good not to swipe, really.

What was the source? Was it one we are likely to find fun or useful?

R. Sherman

@Monty

I've been using Brave for awhile now, along with DuckDuckGo as a search engine, and have experienced few problems. The only glitch is with certain news/sports sites with embedded videos which won't initiate. It's not all sites by any means and it's not too bothersome. If I really want to see something, I can switch briefly to Chrome, but it's a rare occurrence.

Pst314

“Of course, that too is not what's being discussed”

I wouldn’t recommend being too restrictive on this topic, since there are various sorts of groups with such intentions—racial, ethnic, religious, political, etc.

R. Sherman

You’d have to set fire to the drapes for something like that.

For the record, I was on vacation when that happened.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

OT, but every day needs some Clown Quarter, there is woke, and Heavy Duty Super Extra WOKE!™.

Pst314

Monty: the latest NoScript does work with Firefox Quantum, although:
1. The user interface is different and there is not yet full documentation online.
2. Sometimes it seems to lock up the loading of web pages, and you have to (maybe) disable and reenable NoScript and then stop and restart Firefox. I should check for updates to both products, and check the user forum.

Monty James

Test using Brave. Good. I'd prefer not to use Google Chrome, reading some of those internal emails from the Damore case gives one the feeling of talking to someone who doesn't look you in the eye, but instead stares at your left ear.

No joy, clearing the Firefox cache.

Ian

The problem with Google as a blatantly obnoxious company, really, is that technically their products are still pretty damn good. They've always valued interoperability and embraced "open" standards like VP8, iCalendar, HTML5, etc., rather than taking the Apple or Microsoft byways. I liked their attempt to subvert Facebook and create an open platform. This makes it really difficult for me to want to stop using their products, because even though stuff like ProtonMail is fine, I haven't found a solution to the problem of managing email accounts on multiple domains and syncing contact books, diaries and file storage in a simple and straightforward way on a bunch of different kit without using Google. I know this came up on the earlier James Damore mega-thread, but maybe some others here can offer suggestions. Google is just so damn convenient... the bastards!

R. Sherman

@Farnsworth

Missing from the excerpt in your second link is the word, "psychotic."

Just sayin'.

David

What was the source?

I found it here.

Monty James

Thanks for the help, Pst314, now I know which direction to go. That webpage thing might be the problem; The "Post" and "Preview" buttons are dead in Firefox, and also the Windows Edge browser. Vielen Danke.

dw
it does, I think, reveal how “diversity” ideology translates in practice to double standards and nakedly racist sentiment, and a gleeful, almost competitive disdaining of the designated out-group, i.e., straight white males who aren’t overly beholden to the lies and psychodramas of identity politics.

All of that.

pst314

Thanks for the help, Pst314, now I know which direction to go.

Assuming that I know where I'm going. :-)

pst314

Thank you David.

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