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March 19, 2018

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Clam

people whose package holidays have gone catastrophically wrong

Missed that one. :-)

David

Missed that one. :-)

And, I’ve just discovered, that was the thread where we first encountered Trigglypuff and watched in real time as a meme was born.

Happy days.

Hector Drummond, Vile Novelist

Do you think she'll have put it all back on again?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...denounces masculinity as “useless” and “counter-productive.”

OTOH, maybe not.

Leonor Flores, FIU alumna, and MCM project exec says her number one priority when building bridges is to make sure they look pretty. Nothing else matters:

“It’s very important for me as a woman and an engineer to be able to promote that to my daughter because I think women have a different perspective. We’re able to put in an artistic touch and we’re able to build too.”

Hideous counter-productive masculine bridge for comparison.

R. Sherman

Every time I read something by a "super-woke" male feminist denouncing some caricature of masculinity, I wind up going to Rudyard Kipling for a palate cleanser.*

*Fun fact: The penultimate line in Kipling's If-- is a translation of the last line of the sonnet "An Sich" by a 17th century German poet Paul Fleming:

"Wer sein selbst Meister ist und sich beherrschen kann,
Dem ist die weite Welt und alles untertan."

See, that graduate thesis wasn't a waste after all.

Pogonip

I wonder what ever happened to Triggly Puff?

ComputerLabRat

Gahhh! The mugshot of Grayson Perry before coffee in the morning - not a good way to get the day started. I had forgotten about that one and clicked without thinking. That'll learn me!

I've some shopping to do after work, so I hope tickling the Amazon US button on this page is an acceptable form of thanks to the gracious host of this fine establishment.

Now where do y'all keep the eye bleach??

WTP

Farnsworth, that's the Bristol bridge, yes? Shortly after the FIU bridge fail, I saw this quote from the FIU president:

This bridge was about collaboration. It was about hope. It was about opportunity. It was about determination. The bridge was about strength and unity.

As I ranted to my wife, no, a bridge is about getting people safely from one side to another. First. Primary. My father worked as a civil engineer for 20-25 years. Mostly bridges. Such idiocy really pisses me off. The media will bury this story as much as they possibly can.

bilbaoboy

Clifton Suspension Bridge

Isambard Kingdom Brunel

It's a toll bridge (to pay for maintenance, I believe). A quid a time for cars.

Neither male nor female, just a bl**dy good design :-)

R. Sherman

My father worked as a civil engineer for 20-25 years.

Mine was an E.E. in the military industrial complex. He designed and built avionics for aircraft, many of which are still flying today in various navies and air forces, including our own. It wasn't about "pretty," though many of those aircraft are beautiful. It was about getting the job done and bringing the pilots home safely--something near and dear to him inasmuch as he was a WWII Navy aviator and spent some time floating about the ocean on a bad day 73 years ago.

And we wonder why civilizations fail.

champ

I wonder what ever happened to Triggly Puff?

Feast your eyes on this...

http://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1125107-trigglypuff

David

Gahhh!

An authority on masculinity.

WTP

Heh...so now the latest spin is that Flores didn't design the bridge, she and her daughters were there for some construction initiation thing and the reporter worked the diversity angle in (i.e. lied). Of course that could be a lie itself. Who knows these things? John Galt perhaps?

http://sandrarose.com/2018/03/leonor-flores-wants-know-didnt-build-miami-bridge-get/

Mine was an E.E. in the military industrial complex. He designed and built avionics for aircraft, many of which are still flying today in various navies and air forces, including our own. It wasn't about "pretty," though many of those aircraft are beautiful.

Yeah....done some work in that regard myself. This ain't your daddy's engineering no more. The amount of waste and lack of accountability is, in my mind, criminal. Not that anyone responsible will actually pay for it, though.

Captain Nemo

Gahhh!

It's like someone took the waxworks of Edwina Currie, Esther Rantzen and Baroness Thatcher, and melted them into one terrifying combination. Frightening.

David

Frightening.

I have more.

It strikes me there’s something odd about the assumption that a man who struggles with even the concept of masculinity, as if it were something alien - such that he disdains it out of hand and often dresses as a woman - must somehow be an expert on masculinity as experienced by countless men who don’t feel a need to don a frock and heels.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Heh...so now the latest spin is that Flores didn't design the bridge...

Leonor Flores Wants You to Know She Didn’t Build Miami Bridge (So Get Over It)

I would get over it, if it wasn't lying on the street... Ba dum tishhh...

OK, she didn't design it, so the take is she was just the project exec ? Of course, that means that it was her responsibility to ensure that the design and construction were sound and that it wouldn't wind up on the road, instead of over it, so I am not sure they want to go with that line of reasoning at the trial.

WTP

OK, she didn't design it, so the take is she was just the project exec ?

Hell, I have no idea. Maybe we find out that she was not even the project exec. And then we find out she really didn't do anything, it was a cover for getting minority-owned favoritism in contracts. Maybe she's not even a real person. Maybe this is all the Truman Show. I personally have had it to the gills with even the general concept of information. I have begun to suspect that anything published that isn't a lie just hasn't been discovered as one as yet. Lies, half-truths, lies by omission, fraudulent credentials, credentials from fraudulent organizations. quotes taken out of context, quotes inserted into fake context. It's all crap.

Wife and I are finally getting around to preparing a will. As we have no children, I have ZERO faith that anything decided in it will be executed to what would be our theoretical satisfaction. I'm considering just having all assets converted into cash and set on fire. Which of course would never happen. Because lawyers. And we're back to lies..

jabrwok

I'm considering just having all assets converted into cash and set on fire.

Easy solution: just marry whomever you want to inherit your estate. The inheritor will get the estate tax-free and you won't have to worry about having a will.

Adam

Childen play dress-up and make-believe they are what their costumes depict - Batman, Cowboy... Mommy

A transvestite is an adult who still make-believes. A transexual has forgotten that the role is made up.

ComputerLabRat

I have more.

Oh ye flipping gods! My eyes! And yet, I keep coming back for more.

I look at these blokes in frocks (so much better than saying "guys in dresses") and I think "What woman dresses like that?" They seem to pull out the most stereotypical, old-fashioned, hoity-toity examples of female frippery to adopt. I give thanks every day that I wasn't born in an era where I would have been expected to dress like that!

To each their own, I guess, but I think pontificating about the definition or usefulness of traditional masculinity is going a bit far. In an ideal world, the Grayson Perrys and that teacher discussed here a bit back would flounce around in their frocks and be happy and let Bear Grylls do his thing and be happy. But no - we can't have that, can we. If Bear Grylls wrote an article about the ridiculousness that is Grayson Perry and his ilk, the screeching accusations of bigotry, homophobia, transphobia and a few more phobias and mismias invented on the spot would be downright deafening. Yet this Perry creature gets to say whatever he wants about the Bear Grylls of the world and heads nod and everyone says how smart he is. ARGH!

David

ARGH!

Oh, and let’s not forget that Mr Perry was also responsible for guest-editing this issue of the New Statesman.

pst314

He’s Being Rugged, And We Can’t Have That.

As we used to say at the auto repair shop, that tranny needs fixing.

pst314

They seem to pull out the most stereotypical, old-fashioned, hoity-toity examples of female frippery to adopt.

A feminist commented a couple years ago that when you look at actual transsexuals you notice that, based on how they choose to look, it is clear that they are not "becoming female" but are indulging in a caricature of femaleness.

Spiny Norman

...guest-editing this issue of the New Statesman.

Lo, what should I behold at that link? None other than the ostentatious, condescending bait fish.

(>_<)

More coffee, that'll set me right.

Ten

...a bridge is about getting people safely from one side to another. First. Primary. My father worked as a civil engineer for 20-25 years. Mostly bridges.

...It's a toll bridge (to pay for maintenance, I believe). A quid a time for cars. Neither male nor female, just a bl**dy good design :-)

...My father worked as a civil engineer for 20-25 years.

...Mine was an E.E. in the military industrial complex. He designed and built avionics for aircraft ... It wasn't about "pretty" ... It was about getting the job done and bringing the pilots home safely.

I can probably speak for working types when I say that as terminally testosterone-fueled as the stereotype paints men in the trades and engineering, there exists there precious little sexism, per se. Men simply realized and accepted that the world saddled them with certain burdens whose reward was that they might idealize women.

The opposite is presently untrue, to wit. Now, suddenly, it's a competition for the very soul of the world.

Governor Squid

None other than the ostentatious, condescending bait fish.

I discovered what happened to him when I was playing on the ice earlier this winter.

Daniel Ream

Lies, half-truths, lies by omission, fraudulent credentials, credentials from fraudulent organizations. quotes taken out of context, quotes inserted into fake context. It's all crap.

Well, rather like this bit:

says her number one priority when building bridges is to make sure they look pretty. Nothing else matters

That's straight up fake news. Nowhere in any of the articles cited did it say anything even remotely close to that, and the only source for the quote that squawker is outright mutating is an embedded gif in the squawker article that I can't source.

Given what little we know, it looks a lot like the problem here was the design being done in comfy air-conditioned offices and the actual building being done at arm's length by inadequately supervised subcontractors prone to half-assing the job. Certainly wasting a lot of time on empty sex-based virtue signalling instead of vetting the construction contributed, but so far we know very little about ultimate culpability.

Sam Duncan

“A transvestite is an adult who still make-believes. A transexual has forgotten that the role is made up.”

Somewhat related, and easily the most grown-up, thoughtful article I've read on the subject yet (not that it has much competition*):

Accepting the trans movement’s argument requires us to lend credence to an extreme form of mind-matter dualism, and involves severing the links between bodily sex, gender identity, and erotic desire.

Long, but well worth a read.

*Savin' your presence, Mr. Thompson, sir.

David

Long, but well worth a read.

I was looking at that earlier today. This bit caught my eye:

Spend a little time surfing Tumblr, and you might learn that you are “pyroshift gender,” defined as a “gender that acts as a flame. It can flicker to feeling varying degrees of masculine or feminine for short periods of time, yet it generally settles right back down into a neutral, burning, and calm state.” Or you might decide that you are “visigender,” which means that your gender “is best described using images, visual aids, etc., as you are unable to put it into words due to neurodivergence.” Or you might be “mascuflux” — “your masculinity shifts during days/weeks/hours. On one day you could feel like a boy. Another day you could feel agender, and another somewhere in between.” There are hundreds more of the kind, each more hair-splittingly particular than the next.

Even many trans people roll their eyes at these new-fangled categories. They have a nickname for those who adopt them — “gender trenders.” These are mostly upscale, college-age women who have latched on to transgender identity as it has gathered social prestige. As Donald, a 25-year-old who has fully transitioned from female to male, told me, “There is an issue with people glamorising being trans. As being gay or bi has become more accepted, you have these people who aren’t really dysphoric, but they really just want to dress the part and have this aesthetic.”

See also this.

Captain Nemo

I have more.

You shouldn't have. No, really, you shouldn't have. *reaches for the brain bleach*

WTP

Granted, the quote and/or the screen shots of corporate materials mays have been faked, but this is what the FIU student news site quoted her as saying:

Said Leonor: “It’s very important for me as a woman and an engineer to be able to promote that to my daughter, because I think women have a different perspective. We’re able to put in an artistic touch and we’re able to build, too.”

Put that together with what similar the FIU President said, “This bridge was about collaboration, it was about hope...” yadda-yadda-yadda.

I’d say those two quotes are somewhat remotely close to the “make sure they look pretty” one. They certainly put emphasis on form over function. It was reported by several sources that the company’s website was scrubbed.

Franklin

Grayson Perry will always have a place in my heart as the artist who beat out the odious Chapman Brothers for the Turner Prize back in the mid-Aughts. David, set the WABAC Machine for 2007.

Sporkatus

There's a rather dire self-emasculationist's piece linked over at Ace that seems of a piece with all this.

Which is why, in a macro sense, the lessening power of men (straight and white particularly) is an unquestioned societal good. When others rise, we must fall. It will be good not just in a moral sense, but a practical one.

The whole "cuck"(naughty word!) societal mode is deeply irritating, I must say - first for insisting that everyone else must hate themselves as much as the flagellant, and second for not having the fortitude (irony) to hate self honestly and openly.

Sporkatus

Or, as someone in the comments said,

Am I the only one who breaks out in hives on hearing one of these "men" bleating out his pathetic cri de coeur?

Stop ovulating. You're nauseating people.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

There's a rather dire self-emasculationist's piece linked over at Ace...

Indeed, and considering that the twit who wrote it calls a 20 gauge shotgun a rifle that fired a "bullet", with "kickback" that sent the thing flying, I guessing the whole episode falls under the heading of "Things That Never Happened™".

Darleen

Sporkatus

Here's an epic fisking

and a spot-on response

I haven't read the whole sorry mess by Leitch... I cringe watching a male willingly castrate himself in public ..

I hope his son gets out of there as soon as he turns 18.

Scott

@Sam Duncan-

"Accepting the trans movement’s argument requires us to lend credence to an extreme form of mind-matter dualism, and involves severing the links between bodily sex, gender identity, and erotic desire."

My issue is with society's accepted rules governing interaction. We are expected to accept a trasgender's self-chosen identity to the point that we must use the pronouns they choose and calling them by their "dead name" is inexcusable.

My grand-niece is 5'3" and doesn't weigh even 90lbs (1.6 meters and 40 kilos for the Brits) due to anorexia. Is it appropriate for me to call her "fat pig" because that's how she self-identifies?

George

@Scott

Excellent point.

Tim Newman

OK, she didn't design it, so the take is she was just the project exec ?

I covered that here:

When you read the original text carefully, you can see it doesn’t actually say that Flores worked on the bridge. But by including her heart-warming tale of women in engineering in a story about a bridge installation, that’s what they implied. It was a deliberate attempt to link Flores and female engineers in general with this particular project, which at the time was looking like a success and attracting publicity. However, now people across the internet are questioning the wisdom of having a woman put “an artistic touch” to something that goes on to fail in deadly fashion, they’re having to come clean.
Sam Duncan

“This bit caught my eye:”

Yes. I don't doubt for a moment that transsexualism is a genuine medical problem, and transgenderism, in some cases, a genuine psychological one (and yes, whether you think they're to be celebrated or not, they are problems). But they're extremely rare. What we're seeing at the moment is a fad. And, with trendy parents encouraging pre-pubescent kids to the point of medication, one that's causing serious harm.

“When others rise, we must fall.”

Aaaand... there it is. The zero-sum fallacy. It's always hovering around in the background with Leftists.

“@Scott

Excellent point.”

Indeed it is. I mean, take the case of Caitlyn Jenner. Are we seriously expected to say that the man who won those Olympic Medals, the guy who used to interview drivers on the grid at the Indy 500, wasn't a bloke called Bruce? Whatever we think of that person now, that's just madness.

Daniel Ream

They certainly put emphasis on form over function.

No. No, they don't. They reference form in addition to function, but you're primed for the other interpretation by the deliberately mendacious squawker article.

Alex deWinter
Indeed it is. I mean, take the case of Caitlyn Jenner. Are we seriously expected to say that the man who won those Olympic Medals, the guy who used to interview drivers on the grid at the Indy 500, wasn't a bloke called Bruce?

IIRC, he also fathered something like half a dozen children.

WTP

No, if I was primed it was by the FIU president (see in full in my first comment about this above) which I saw before ever seeing Farnsworth’s link.

There’s a somewhat parallel familily story about this that goes back to the 1960’s, a famous (in Pittsburgh context) bridge that my father worked on, the engineer that built it, politicians taking credit for it, and my mother and grandmother getting my father in trouble at work for a letter they wrote to the newspaper that was published about how the politicians took credit while the real brains, the engineer who designed it, got shoved way in the back behind all the political idiots in the photo when the newspapers did a story on its opening. Keep watching for Atlas to shrug.

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