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March 22, 2018

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Rafi
Though some scholars claim that eating meat causes “toxic masculinity,” Mycek came to a different conclusion based on interviews with 20 vegan men, asserting that they actually tend to “uphold gendered binaries of emotion/rationality and current ideas of middle-class, white masculinity.”

Damned if you do…

David

Damned if you do…

Over the years, I think we’ve established that no lifestyle change or level of self-abasement will avert the inevitable scolding. Whatever you do, or don’t do, the “social justice” howler monkeys will do their thing regardless.

As illustrated, quite vividly, here.

Jen

based on interviews with 20 vegan men

Science!

Alice

vegan and vegetarian men… wield power over women by framing their lifestyle as a rational, rather than emotional, choice.

Er so vegetarian women don't use rational arguments? Sounds a bit sexist to me.

David

Sounds a bit sexist to me.

Heh, yes. And, dare I say it, binary.

But anyhoo, the important thing is that if a man - a white man - explains why he’s chosen not to eat meat, then this is obviously driven by the dastardly urge to maintain “a gender hierarchy and structures of power and inequality.”

Because a chickpea-heavy diet is the obvious way to oppress women.

Chester Draws

For most men going even vegetarian is a sign your masculinity is in grave peril. Veganism is excused only on religious grounds. You would never do it to increase your perceived manliness.

To be fair to the research, a large number of people are only playing at vegetarianism. A few drinks will often tell you what the real person behind the facade is like. I haven't seen the actual research, but this seems quite likely: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=12016409

I've known guys go vegetarian to pull a girl. It's not a wise move.

David

a large number of people are only playing at vegetarianism.

There is, I think, quite often an element of role-play, of social positioning. As my teenage niece, herself a vegetarian, recently admitted, in the sixth form there’s a lot of competition on that front, with people vying for woke supremacy by reducing their diet to ever-more dreary and improbable foodstuffs. Or claiming to, at least.

It reminded me of an incident in a supermarket checkout queue a few weeks ago. As the woman in front of me was being served, she surveyed her own ostentatiously puritan purchases – soy milk, tofu, and various unappetising but allegedly edible seeds – and then turned, rather disdainfully, to glance at the handful of items I’d hurriedly grabbed off the shelves. Namely, a packet of chocolate biscuits, a sliced white loaf, wine, several bottles of tonic water and a large bottle of gin. I don’t think she was fully aware of what her face was doing.

Adam

Sociology. There you go.

There are hard sciences, soft sciences, pseudosciences.

And then there is sociology.

L

Men do men things in a men sort of way for men sort of reasons. And they don’t hate each other or themselves for it. She seems rather jealous, frankly.

David

Men do men things in a men sort of way for men sort of reasons.

Setting aside the comedy of extrapolating so wildly from a tiny and loaded sample – 20 vegan students – one might infer that, maybe, male and female vegans and vegetarians tend, on average, to justify their dietary choices in different ways, with differing shades of emphasis, because - and here’s a thought - men and women tend to be slightly different psychologically.

But instead Ms Mycek jumps to the predestined conclusion that this apparent variation is not only all-pervasive, but heinous and abnormal, an artificial imposition, and is being deliberately instigated and maintained by men – specifically, white men - because they wish to oppress women.

As if women had no choice in how they express themselves.

jones

"You Just Can’t Please Some People"

What about starving to death?

Burnsie

Give that woman a Ph.D.

Hey, it's difficult to find a topic that hasn't already been run through the feminist meat-grinder, so to speak. She deserves a prize for finding one.

It's not as if the Social Sciences have high standards. Novelty's as good as any other.

And now male vegetarians can point to her study as proof they're still manly men after all.

Win/win!

David

Hey, it’s difficult to find a topic that hasn’t already been run through the feminist meat-grinder, so to speak.

It’s interesting how the most condescending depictions of women often come from feminists.

Ten

Do be fair if this catches on rightists will have one less thing to reflexively counter-lifestyle signal about.

Next: The electric automobile. In ten years the right will be all bicycles for the hunkiest calves, runway modeling guys in dresses, modern art is from God, and battery powered tanks.

Left Coast Objectivist

Even in this case, one is reminded that the Progressive Left always eats its own.

Mine’s the one with the butter stains.

Ten

Unrelated: President is a sexist pig; women hardest hit.

https://twitter.com/SHEPMJS/status/976620330365026304

Shouldn't there be an opinion clearing house?

Hopp Singg

You can tell they're in a well-protected bubble, can't you?

See, soy boys, this is why you need the rest of us.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"It's not as if the Social Sciences have high standards."

FIFY, as the kids say.

Lancastrian Oik

Because a chickpea-heavy diet is the obvious way to oppress women.

"Dutch oven" sprang immediately to mind.

I denounce myself.

David

“Dutch oven” sprang immediately to mind.

[ Searches Urban Dictionary for “Dutch oven.” Sniggers. ]

I learn so much from our little chats.

Joan

I learn so much from our little chats.

Stop leading David astray.

David

Stop leading David astray.

Heh. I was aware of the phenomenon. I just didn’t know it had a name.

PiperPaul

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ComputerLabRat

STOP TAXPAYER-FUNDED IDIOCY

I wish. Not only have they polluted their own side of campus with this nonsense, but the rot has spread to the "hard" sciences and engineering. I can't imagine that will be good, in the long run.

Jon Powers

http://www.ronsonwriter.com/content/view/69/9/

What does it say about me that I'm actually disappointed that the story about the man accidentally killing his wife with a Dutch Oven turned out to be a hoax?

Bob Armstrong

This makes me feel much better about the lambchops marinating in my kitchen.

WTP

What PiperPaul said. The stupidest things that I am ashamed to have ever believed were taught to me in schools. Aside from math, science (the real science, and even that was botched), and grammar..and typing...most of the rest was a Narrative belief system that I spent 20-30 years purging from my perceptions. People, young people, need to spend less time being indoctrinated by mountebanks and more time informed by reality.

Jonathan

Somewhat related.

An excellent essay on the rise of leftist intolerance in the Academy, written by a leftist academic.

via Geoffrey Miller.

Clubspecial

I am a soy boy and can attest, through experience, that yes... vegan and vegetarian men get so much more pussy.

Rick

http://www.beanogas.com/
Unfortunately I have no antidote for consuming sociology.

Killer Marmot

Intersectional politics is a presumption of guilt, a modern version of original sin. You are born with guilt the way you are born with a heart and lungs; your very existence oppresses others.

All that remains is quibbling over what form that oppression takes. Thus modern humanities departments.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...vegan and vegetarian men get so much more pussy...

I prefer women to cats, but knock yourself out.

Daniel Ream

To be fair to the research, a large number of people are only playing at vegetarianism.

As the saying goes, no one is ever just a vegetarian.

Clam

vegan and vegetarian men... wield power over women by framing their lifestyle as a rational, rather than emotional, choice.

So if veggie women are more emotional than veggie men this is men's fault?

Governor Squid

I want all the shiny people over there, and all the happy people over that-a-way, and all the angry gun-toting meat-eating people over here with me.

David

So if veggie women are more emotional than veggie men this is men’s fault?

I suspect that conclusion – that men, especially white men, are scheming, manipulative and generally awful - was chosen long before any research was done. I use the term ‘research’ in the loosest possible sense. And again, you have to raise an eyebrow at the implication that while vegetarian men can apparently choose to express their dietary views rationally, vegetarian women somehow can’t. Because, er, patriarchy.

MC

framing their lifestyle as a rational, rather than emotional, choice

I look forward to the day when we have eradicated rational choices, in favour of emotional decision-making.

Because my rage-driven decisions are going to fucking ROCK.

PiperPaul

"I suspect that conclusion..."

A conclusion that suspiciously and unsurprisingly sounds like projection (again) on the part of those doing the asserting of others' nastiness.

Darleen

a packet of chocolate biscuits, a sliced white loaf, wine, several bottles of tonic water and a large bottle of gin

Well, I know who I'd rather follow home for lunch.

What time do you usually serve, David? I'll bring the steaks.

David

Well, I know who I’d rather follow home for lunch.

Lest you think me totally heathen, the items above were things I’d forgotten to include on the (longer, but generally less exciting) weekly grocery order. I feel I should make it clear that we do eat and drink things other than sliced white bread and chocolate biscuits, washed down with Whale Caller and Bombay Sapphire.

Bert

they actually tend to “uphold gendered binaries of emotion/rationality and current ideas of middle-class, white masculinity.”

Seems she found that vegans are just like people in general.

MC

I feel I should make it clear that we do eat and drink things other than sliced white bread and chocolate biscuits, washed down with Whale Caller and Bombay Sapphire.

Like when you treat yourselves to a bottle of Sipsmith's?

David

Seems she found that vegans are just like people in general.

Well, Ms Mycek seems to be assuming that the “gender binary” that so offends her somehow requires continual, calculated “upholding” by men, especially white ones. Rather than it being a natural default.

Darleen

power over women by framing their lifestyle as a rational, rather than emotional, choice.

Prof sez pay women more for emotional labor

University of San Francisco, of course.

Wtp

we do eat and drink things other than sliced white bread and chocolate biscuits, washed down with Whale Caller and Bombay Sapphire.

Well of course. There's also all that Night Train I've been sending. Bottoms up!

D

Wait, so sandwiches of crumpled chocolate biscuits on white bread are only to be eaten on special occasions?

David

University of San Francisco, of course.

She sounds lovely. Not at all whiny, selfish and grasping.

Speaking of which. Because remembering a partner’s birthday or allergies is apparently a ghastly imposition and just so unfair.

Jeff
... she surveyed her own ostentatiously puritan purchases – soy milk, tofu, and various unappetising but allegedly edible seeds – and then turned, rather disdainfully, to glance at the handful of items I’d hurriedly grabbed off the shelves. Namely, a packet of chocolate biscuits, a sliced white loaf, wine, several bottles of tonic water and a large bottle of gin. I don’t think she was fully aware of what her face was doing.

Are you sure you didn't forget to mention the pickled eggs?

Turk Turkleton

That's funny; I just saw a heavily-annotated copy of the old feminist classic The Sexual Politics of Meat, by Carol Adams, at a used-book sale a few weeks ago. Her thesis was that eating meat was intimately connected to the oppression of women. It's almost like everything is oppressive by nature, leaving "justice" up to the whims of whichever commissar is handling your case. As Beria said, "Show me the man, and I'll show you the crime."

David

the old feminist classic The Sexual Politics of Meat, by Carol Adams,

Is your bacon sandwich oppressing women?

Governor Squid

It's almost like everything is oppressive by nature...

"You're right -- we men are horrible oppressors, and our only instinct when we cast our eyes upon a woman is whether to rape her or murder her.

And because we are so horrible, we work long hours to make women comfortable and safe, we share our earnings and our homes with them, we let them stay home or go to work or raise children or take classes as they wish, and we give them the power to vote for whichever shiny-haired politicians promise to give our few remaining pennies to their favorite charities so they need not make any personal sacrifice in order to feel good about themselves.

That's the sort of monsters we are."

Pogonip

Did you use the Incinerator on the chocolate biscuits?

Chocolate biscuits actually sounds like a pretty yummy idea, especially buttered.

jabrwok

sandwiches of crumpled chocolate biscuits on white bread

I just last night shared this at InstaPundit, but it seems this crowd might benefit as well.

Squires

Are you sure you didn't forget to mention the pickled eggs?

I've been inclined to believe they came with the premises.

Geezer

Robby Soave at Reason weighs in.

Geezer

So does Katherine Timpf.

Ten

So does Katherine Timpf.

The comments to which, ironically, cement the rightist lunacy that defines rightist culture-signalling, the instinctive, apparently unavoidable malaise that more or less sums up the purportedly conservative movement of late. Sure, the NRO clownshow spearheads that penetrating barb into the very heart of leftist darkness all day long anyway, and to simply fabulous effect, but who's counting anymore. Or do I have them confused with the jeenyuses at PJM.

Wonder how the west was lost? Directly counter-productive kneejerk like that.

Vince N

sandwich alignment

I prefer to be part of the non-aligned movement.

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