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April 02, 2018

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David

Two minor incidents, but don’t fucking tell me that burglary should be just laughed off or that our sympathies ought to be with the criminal.

Quite. But this is the Guardian way, and some variation of it crops up every few weeks. Whatever the antisocial behaviour is, from graffiti and tube train vandalism to mob thuggery and opportunist rioting, you’ll find a Guardian columnist eager to defend it, as if titillated, while dismissing the people on whom these things are inflicted.

As I said a while ago, following a typically fatuous article by Zoe Williams - on neighbours from hell and how unfairly “we” treat them:

If Mrs Wilson’s life is being made hell by her equally poor but much more troubled neighbour – the one whose fatherless children run riot, who blasts out loud music at 3am and whose pets are thrown from upstairs windows – who is Zoe going to pick as most in need of her solidarity and compassion? Remember, her peers may be watching. Mrs Wilson is just an old dear who scrapes by without much fuss or need of social workers. Her troubles aren’t self-inflicted and are therefore rather dull. She may even, God forgive her, vote Conservative.

For Zoe, there are more Bogus Compassion Points to be scored by picking the household with all the exciting and intractable problems, all those lovely pathologies, any number of which can, with squinting, be blamed on capitalism or Conservative governments. And so, being a devout Guardianista, Zoe rushes to their defence - rhetorically, of course – excusing their behaviour, insisting they stay put and be indulged in some way, with little if any thought for Mrs Wilson and the nightmare she puts up with.

This is who they are. This is what they do. And so if your neighbours like to throw shit at your windows, you mustn’t complain; and if your car gets burnt out by balaclava-wearing sociopaths, think of all the “social justice” that’s being conjured into being. And if you’ve ever been burgled and left sleepless and distressed, and poorer, and angry, remember that quite a few lefties have decided that your feelings of outrage and injustice are “idiotic” and contemptible.

MC

Kurt Eichenwald

I'd not previously heard of this gentleman but brief internet research suggests he ought to add 'creepy mentalist' to his bio line.

Connor

And so if your neighbours like to throw shit at your windows, you mustn’t complain; and if your car gets burnt out by balaclava-wearing sociopaths, think of all the “social justice” that’s being conjured into being. And if you’ve ever been burgled and left sleepless and distressed, and poorer, and angry, remember that quite a few lefties have decided that your feelings of outrage and injustice are “idiotic” and contemptible.

All. Of. That.

David

All. Of. That.

And once you’ve spotted the mental contortion, it will crop up again.

PiperPaul

Before I scrolled far enough, I guessed that Spiny's triple-Twitter-photo post was a new measurement for crazy (sort of like this):


Except in Kurts.

You know, like, "Wow, that's nuts. How many Eichenwalds has it been ranked at?"

David

Heh.

pst314

'creepy mentalist'

Oh no, you mean he can read our minds too???

Darleen

don't fucking tell me that burglary should be just laughed off or that our sympathies ought to be with the criminal.

Sympathy, nothing ... if a burglar is unsuccessful, let's arrest the homeowner for daring to defend himself.

pst314

let's arrest the homeowner for daring to defend himself

A land fit for criminals?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Land-Fit-Criminals-Insiders-Punishment/dp/1857769643

At some point citizens should ask who is pushing such insane laws and policies. and why.

Geoffrey

To be fair, that article only mentions the man was arrested, not that he was convicted. And while I see "dead burglar and unharmed victim" as pretty much the best reasonable outcome of any buglary attempt, the cops do need to determine whether or not that is what actually happened.

The home owner could have potentially tricked these men into coming into his house, in order to kill them while claiming self-defense. Or they could have simply been mistaken and entered the house thinking it was a friends house, and the homeowner over-reacted and went straight to lethal force.

These are not likely explanations, but just like we shouldn't automatically believe claims of rape, we shouldn't automatically believe claims of burglary.

Now, if the man is found guilty of murder when faced with a genuine burglary, then a great injustice would be done. And I wouldn't be surprised to find out it happens. I just wanted to defend the police for doing something that they should be doing, regardless of the outcome.

pst314

"arrested, not convicted"

But arrested immediately? Not after an investigation? In the United States, or at least in the sane states, the homeowner would not be arrested unless the officers had reason to suspect that he had not been merely defending himself and his home. I get the impression that in Britain using violence to defend oneself is presumptive evidence of a criminal act.

Governor Squid

I get the impression that in Britain using violence to defend oneself is presumptive evidence of a criminal act.

When you're scared to death of real criminals, making a big production of harassing innocent homeowners is a good way of showing the taxpayers how active and important you are.

Alas, it's not just Britain, either.

Darleen

the homeowner would not be arrested unless the officers had reason to suspect that he had not been merely defending himself and his home.

Even if the agency was suspicious, they'd interview the homeowner as an IP (interested party) do all the forensics and forward to the report to the DA for review.

If something DOES end up hinky, then the DA will file & issue a warrant.

I'm unsure about Britain, but in the US an actual arrest/jailed starts a time clock ... there has to be charges filed & an arraignment within two business days or let the person go. That's why one will rarely find the person claiming self-defense arrested at this point. Not enough time to conduct an investigation in order to sustain charges, so why bother arresting?

In addition, if the homeowner is found to have legally defended himself, the other burglar can be charged with murder in the death of his accomplice.

pst314

One of the most depressingly funny videos I have seen recently was of a half dozen British police confronting a knife-wielding Muslim. Every time he lunged at the officers they retreated. In America the police would have shot him dead and the world would have been better as a result.

Rafi

"We're not the thought police..."

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2018/04/audio-uk-thought-police-claim-were-not-the-thought-police-as-they-harass-man-for-his-opinions-about-islam

Governor Squid

I remember when the lefty trope said "every time you kill one, two more sprout up to take his place." I always replied that this was an experiment I thought should be pursued, to see if the observations was 1) true and 2) sustainable.

They said I was a monster, but I'm really just an empiricist. Which sounds enough like 'imperialist' that my lefty friends didn't have to change their opinion of me.

jabrwok

Every time he lunged at the officers they retreated.

Reminds me of this (which I may have already shared hereabouts...I forget).

jabrwok

And, on a cheerier note: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=7934

WTP

Rafi,
I don’t understand why the guy says much more afre about a minute in. What are the rights/expectations there in the UK? As an American, I could maaaaybe see the first couple questions but by about 1:30 mark I’d be asking them to leave or ask if I was under investigation or suspicion of what exactly, and then I’d lawyer up. Must you allow police into your home without a warrent? Thought y’all fixed that after we left.

Darleen

Ok...I am really confused on UK police procedures ...

Norman Brennan, a former police officer who represents victims’ interests, said police were required to arrest the pensioner in order to investigate whether he had acted in self defence.
Wha...? Police cannot investigate any death unless they haul someone to jail? Do they do this in fatal car crashes?

That's plain screwy.

Oh...another little factoid I ran across when researching 'gun crimes'... the UK may be cooking the books since they don't report on total number of incidents but only when there has been a conviction.

I guess when the stats aren't making you look good, manipulate the stats.

pst314

police were required to arrest the pensioner in order to investigate whether he had acted in self defence.

Can English law really be that screwy, or was Officer Brennan lying?
Or maybe one should ask: "Required? Required by what? English law? Or the increasingly tyrannical State?"

oralJexter

Name not released to "protect children."
http://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/inside-family-home-where-wife-was-mutilated-murdered-as-children-watched/news-story/2b8a66bb57b6199a7ee65ba9f46201e9

Greg Allan

"‘A person was killed by another person’ for instance"

Historically I've taken it to mean the culprit is female. It's been extended more recently to other identity groups who must never be chastised. The flip side is that only "worthy" victims will be identified.

As an example I read coverage of the deaths of nine Africans to organ harvesters just last year. Four were identified by name, age and sex - one women and three unrelated children. The other five may have been camels.

Adam Jones wrote about this filtering in 2001...

Effacing the Male

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