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November 13, 2018

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Alice

I think the other [word not to be used] is “settlement.”

Please tell me this is a parody.

D

Ah, National Geographic. A loyal subscriber for nearly 50 years, I had to abandon when they became Global Warming Monthly. Once a respite from politics, NG suddenly became the tip of the politically correct spear. It took a while, but eventually they too served up proof of Conquest's Second Law.

David

Please tell me this is a parody.

And it goes without saying that white people are singled out as especially problematic and in need of enlightenment.

David

We’ll be having none of that.

pst314

And it goes without saying that white people are singled out as especially problematic and in need of enlightenment.

Muslim conquests and genocides will never be mentioned.

R. Sherman

Mars needs women!

Niels R

"This interview has been edited for length and clarity."

Ahahahahahahaha!

I note the authors are so busy fretting over the potential offense taken by <0.0001% of the population they haven't actually come up with solutions. Guess they're expecting the 'predominantly rich, white, male venture capitalists' to do the heavy lifting on that as well.

Squires

You see, any attempt to colonise other worlds, or to explore and exploit astronomical objects, will themselves have to be pre-emptively “decolonised” by the neurotically pretentious.

The words “parasite culture” come to mind.

David

I’m still processing the assertion that context doesn’t matter – say, the rather obvious differences between Fifteenth Century colonialism and exploring a seemingly lifeless planet some 200 million kilometres away. As if the words frontier and settlement were magical words, incantations with terrible powers.

David

The words “parasite culture” come to mind.

The inclusion of the word journalists seems rather telling. Perhaps Ms Drake has ideas above her station.

Madconductor

I see that obozo’s magnanimous command that NASA “include” the Islamic world is paying off. Now we have nutcrackers looking for safe space wording and having a come apart when the asteroids and planets don’t care.

R. Sherman

It occurs to me that perhaps we should designate some off-world locale as a preserve for Nadia Drake and Lucianne Walkowicz and those of like mind. They can all go and form their perfect society/habitation in peace. All they need to do is design and fund the means of getting there and surviving. I'm sure they can do that without the input or assistance from those here whom they find to be "problematic."

Dom

This is actually from the article:

"Has there been an instance of exploration in our history that hasn’t led to the subjugation of native cultures?

Who is “our”?

Planet Earth."

R. Sherman

In other cosmological/patriarchal news, our solar system is about to be slapped, slapped, I say, without our consent.

Trump needs to form a team of "Space Feminists*" to deal with this ASAP.

*I got dibs on royalties for any comic books and movies.

Joan

Has there been an instance of exploration in our history that hasn’t led to the subjugation of native cultures?

Last time I checked there's no native culture on the moon.

The Sage

Only one thing to do about these sort of people
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Sieg Zeon!

Sam Duncan

Although not a trained psychiatrist, I think I can say, with reasonable confidence, that Nadia Drake and Lucianne Walkowicz need their goddamned heads examined.

What is it with geography that seems to send people nuts? Is it the ink they use on the maps, or what?

ComputerLabRat

As if the words frontier and settlement were magical words, incantations with terrible powers.

To that crowd, those words are exactly that.

To the sane, rational, logical thinkers, they are just words with defined meanings.

H

with scholars focusing on decolonising humanity’s next journeys into space, as well as science in general.

'Scholars' and 'decolonizing' don't belong in the same sentence. Eg,

https://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2016/10/dont-oppress-my-people-with-your-white-devil-science.html

Rafi

The implication that referring to, say, a populated outpost on the Moon as a colony or a settlement will somehow be “harmful,” resulting in distress, or the raping and pillaging of all that indigenous lunar dust, is somewhat comical and contrived; but evidently that doesn’t matter. What matters is letting your peers know just how woke, and therefore statusful, you are

That. :-)

Dr Evil

If I travel to Mars to live and work there to improve it for others following, I am a colonist. I live in a human colony on Mars. What the hell is woke? Awoke, fine. Awake, fine. Awakened, fine. I woke up is fine too. But woke as a word, on its own is basically illiterate. Is it something I am missing? I'm British BTW.

David

What the hell is woke?

Woke, as in, supposedly enlightened and in-step with whatever pretentious fretting is currently in fashion among middle-class lefties, especially those on elite campuses.

Graham

I rather like the idea of a Crown Colony of Mars - which has been done, in science fiction, by the way. Sooner or later Mars would of course achieve Dominion status and self-government. But it would be nice to have several alternatives, as in:

"I'm off to Mars next week."
"That's great - are you going to the Protectorate, the Trucial States, or the Colony? Or is it the British South Mars Territory this time?"

Karl

As if the words frontier and settlement were magical words, incantations with terrible powers.

I believe that, as JBP might say, is technically correct - according to the postmodernist underpinnings of such nutbaggery, it is language itself, and the power structures which render it, that generates meaning from texts.

Thus words are violence and smashing those who disagree with you in the face with a bike lock is a perfectly reasonable response.

Jim B

Sigh. I give up. Just call them “habitations” and be done with it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Last time I checked there's no native culture on the moon.

You forgot about the Selenites, Bedford.

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Lucianne Walkowicz

Guess what colour her hair is.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1037763227587936259/8BD8zTWu_400x400.jpg

Chester Draws

We will never colonise Mars anyway. There's nothing there we want. (Quite apart from nearly insurmountable practical barriers to doing so.)

We haven't colonised Antarctica, for the same reason. (A few scientific bases with no permanent residents is not colonisation.)

What I'm not looking forward to is the same "virgin landscape" baloney when and if we do set up bases on other planetoids. If we strip mined Antarctica, no-one would be hurt -- it literally is without anyone to notice. If it's more than a couple of kilometres from the coast, there's no life.

Why are we protecting so zealously a literal wasteland?

It's love of Nature gone seriously twisted. We're meant to love a barren wilderness we'll never see and without life. Drill, baby, drill!

Pogonip

Well, this explains that caravan of flying saucers heading from Mars to Earth.

I have this sneaking suspicion that the whole SJW business was intended to be a giant in-joke, but of course some fools took it seriously...

Runcie Balspune

about conflict in the Middle East.

I've not read the article in full but I'll assume this is not referring to the 7th/8th century Arab Caliphate that end up with a sizeable amount of the world's population through conquest, colonisation and settlement, the one "born from racist, sexist ideologies that historically led to the subjugation and erasure of women and indigenous cultures" ?

Squires

It occurs to me that perhaps we should designate some off-world locale as a preserve for Nadia Drake and Lucianne Walkowicz and those of like mind.

Let them have Venus.

...say, the rather obvious differences between Fifteenth Century colonialism and exploring a seemingly lifeless planet some 200 million kilometres away.

Bad Man wants to send Filthy Humans to Innocent Planet just to rape its resources. Heard the same crap from NPCs back during the Bush administration. That narrative unsurprisingly went dormant during Obama’s shining, golden era.

David

Ms Walkowicz seems rather pleased with herself for, as she puts it, not mincing her words. As if the generic regurgitations above were some daring and heroic act.

Jonathan

Start building the 'B' Ark now.

David

Along similar lines, I’d forgotten about this one.

Steve E

Guess what colour her hair is.

That was too easy. Living in the clown quarter requires a certain predictable individualistic uniformity.

Forbes

Lucianne Walkowicz

Guess what colour her hair is.

Blue was my guess--I think that's the "normative" answer to the hair color question when posed these days...

And, voila.

Forbes

“born from racist, sexist ideologies that historically led to the subjugation and erasure of women and indigenous cultures,”

I don't see much evidence of the "erasure of women" about...we're here aren't we? Including women (and men) and indigenous cultures...

It's not as if modern-day Western civilization is the origin of conflict, violence, and domination/subjugation. Perhaps (women) geographers are weak on history (because it was predominately recorded by white males?).

Liz

Needless to say, the word frontier is also deemed problematic.

The Wrong Stuff.

David

I don’t see much evidence of the “erasure of women” about

Last time I checked, the Racist, Sexist, All-Powerful Patriarchy™ was doing a piss-poor job.

Pogonip

Yeah! Get the lead out, you guys, and start patriarching already! Otherwise, when the pendulum swings back, we’ll get a real patriarchy, and it gets too darn hot here in our 5-month summer for me to enjoy wearing black head-to-toe tents.

Pogonip

Everyday Feminism:

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/12/tone-policing-and-privilege/

Note hair color of heroine in this comic strip.

David

Get the lead out, you guys, and start patriarching already!

The Great White Hegemon, Crusher Of Hopes™ seems a little redundant. If you want someone to condescend to women and minorities, to depict them as too weepy and delicate for everyday life, just head for the nearest “social justice” enthusiast. For instance, the ones who imply that astronomers, engineers and astronauts, skilled and professional adults, will somehow feel excluded and be rendered tearful by the use of the words colony and settlement.

Sporkatus

The Great White Hegemon, Crusher Of Hopes™

Am now brainstorming feghoot about a Jamaican jockey ending in "the trouble with race is the wide hedge, mon". Wait...

Never mind, the moment/fit has passed.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The Great White Hegemon, Crusher Of Hopes™

I thought that was part of Queen Victoria's full title along with Defender of the Faith, Empress of India, Lord of Mann, and so on.

ACTOldFart

For Ishtar's sake no one tell them about Black Holes, Brown Dwarves, Dark Matter or Colliding Binaries. Their conniptions would be endless.

Darleen

I don't see much evidence of the "erasure of women" about.

You haven't seen what the Trans activists are doing?

Daniel Ream

otherwise clever people

Citation needed.

Pogonip

Does anybody have trash recycling? I’m quite disgruntled with it.

Some of you geezers & geezerettes may remember the good old days when city employees hauled trash to the city dump. That was it. Those were happy times. Then along came forced recycling and “public-private partnerships,” e. g. contracting-out. The cost of trash removal went up and service quality went down—if the truck overlooked you, you no longer called the city trash-collection office and talked to Doris, who’d worked for the city for 30 years and knew your trash guys and would have them scoot over and pick up your trash today. No, now you talk to some poor soul several states away (“What city were you, again?”) who must submit to a computer, as must we all. (“Well, I can put in a ticket but the system won’t process it till next pickup cycle.”). So your trash sits fermenting in the giant plastic bin for a week. And that’s not the worst of it. My local fishwrap informs me that, partly because of lower American demand for recyclables and mostly because of lower Chinese demand for same, our trash contractor, whom we citizens had no voice in selecting, spends twice as much dealing with recyclables as it gains by selling them. Guess who gets to make up the loss?

All of which is to say, when a politician starts babbling about “public-private partnerships” and “government inefficiency,” tar him, her, it, or xe, feather him, her, it, or xe, and run him, her, it, or xe out of town on the nearest rail. Don’t fall for contracting-out scams if they haven’t already been imposed on you.

Pogonip

Why, yes, David HAS contracted out the ranting to Pogonip, Inc. We are very excited about this wonderful opportunity to serve the excited patrons of this here exciting joint and blah blah blah excited blah blah.

Spiny Norman

DrEvil,

But woke as a word, on its own is basically illiterate. Is it something I am missing? I'm British BTW

It's originally American black urban slang, because the word "enlightened" is far too complex (and too square suburban middle class) for them to use. Better to be in the "in group" with the cant. Of course, now that the word has been adopted by, first white liberal academia, then the dominate white news media, they surely created some other term that's equally "clever".

[+]

Guess what colour her hair is.

If it's not blue, I'll be stunned senseless.

Pogonip,

Note hair color of heroine in this comic strip.

Blue again?

Why is malevolent narcissism so boring?

Spiny Norman

Jonathan,

Start building the 'B' Ark now.

WHAT??? Do you mean it's not done yet?

Spiny Norman

Why, yes, David HAS contracted out the ranting to Pogonip, Inc.

And a fine rant it was. I expect the Guild of Evil's trolls accountants in the dungeon basement will be pleased.

Forbes

>I don't see much evidence of the "erasure of women" about.

>You haven't seen what the Trans activists are doing?

Mostly appears to be a Bruce becoming a Caitlyn--the erasure of men, not that they were particularly manly in the first place...

Angus

Can’t wait for the future woke space pioneer to try apologising for their whiteness as an alien is bursting out of their chest...

Pogonip

You think that was a good rant, stick around. I promise you’ll need a cigarette after the next one. 😉

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Does anybody have trash recycling? I’m quite disgruntled with it.

It could always be worse. When living in another country that shall remain nameless to avoid it embarrassment I had three wheelie bins that I had to separate things into, a friend who lived in the village 3km away had five, so I had it good. None the less, one day I came home to find the garbage had not been taken away, but an orange sticker had been stuck on one of the bins.

With the help of a neighbor to translate it, it was revealed I had committed the unspeakable sins of not rinsing out a milk container sufficiently and chucking it in the wrong bin as waxed paper went into a different one than paper.

Pogonip

Probably the only reason you weren’t hauled out in the street & shot was it would have been too expensive to recycle your carcass. Barbarian.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Barbarian

Proud of it. A friend from the aforementioned country was over visiting over in my corner of South Flyoverlandia and both amazed and appalled that everything goes into black plastic bags and gets dumped at the curb, and stuff too big for the bag just gets stacked next to the bags. If you checked our landfill, you'd probably find Hoffa's body.

Ed Bo

This seems to be spreading. From February, in response to Elon Musk's SpaceX sending a Tesla into space:

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/patriarchal-race-colonize-mars-just-another-example-male-entitlement-ncna849681

Just think of the terror the little green women on Mars must be feeling now...

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Just think of the terror the little green women on Mars must be feeling now...

Was there consent ?

Bill de Haan

And it goes without saying that white people are singled out as especially problematic and in need of enlightenment..

As a friend likes to point out, it's a physical law that only Americans are able to land on the moon. After all, it hasn't been disproven, despite decades of the technology existing.

A corollary could be made that white people are the most problematic explorers, since as a rule they tend to, you know, leave the indigenous populations mostly still breathing...

SharonGJ

Nadia Drake is Frank Drake’s daughter. He founded SETI.

Jen

Guess what colour her hair is.

Plus nose ring and bad tattoos. https://twitter.com/shaka_lulu/status/1058370249941282817

David

Last time I checked there’s no native culture on the moon.

Ah, but you mustn’t state the obvious. It’s terribly unsophisticated. Instead you must gargle on the intersectional Kool-Aid, and then bang on about how the words unmanned probe can crush the aspirations of scientists and engineers who happen to be female.

And then congratulate yourself for being so brave and speaking truth to power.

Rich Rostrom

A frontier is simply an edge.

During British rule of India, the area along the Afghanistan border was the "Northwest Frontier". No one was marching across it to homestead in Afghanistan.

The fighting along the French-German border in the first month of WW I is called "the Battle of the Frontiers".

David

And speaking of “decolonising” terribly oppressive things:

Gary Besaw, director of agriculture and food systems for the Menominee tribe, said that the concept of time itself is one of the barriers facing indigenous students… There are schedules to follow and deadlines to meet, Besaw noted, and these are “difficult” and “unfamiliar” to Natives… Besaw went to say that Natives’ perception of time is “non-linear,” and is a “medicine.” “Time is a medicine, it’s not this clock stuff,” he said. “You’re gonna need this medicine called time. And that’s not to forget, it’s to heal.”

Expectations of punctuality are so unfair.

See also this demented farce, in which “social justice theorist” Riyad A Shahjahan insists that we abandon expectations of punctuality and general competence, which oppress “indigenous and subaltern individuals,” and instead embrace “tactics of resistance,” like burning herbs in class and pondering our knees.

Jonathan

And it goes without saying that white people are singled out as especially problematic...

This is why non-white people are fleeing white countries by the million......

I sneeze in threes

All this space talk can be problematic. Lord only knows their view on Uranus and re-entry And while we are at it let’s not forget that spacecraft will likely need to maintain the rigidity with flanges.

Liz

See also this demented farce,

I despair.

David

I despair.

You have to wonder just how flatulent and ruinous such posturing has to become before the clowns mouthing it are finally, belatedly, shown the door. In terms of “social justice” idiocy, there doesn’t seem to be any mechanism for self-correction.

Lancastrian Oik

I’d send them both a copy of “The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress” but the title alone would give them conniptions.

Burnsie

"Speech police."

I just don't see that anywhere on the jobs list for our first settlement in our moon colony.

Nor do I see any listing for "gibbering jackass."

So sorry! Please apply again.

Adam

My hypotheses about why Antarctica has not been colonized are: 1 It has no indigenous culture to subjugate; 2 It is already white.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

This is why non-white people are fleeing white countries by the million...

I suppose I will have to report for regrooving for noticing that there was no mass non-white pipo fleeing from former colonies when those places were colonies. Why, it almost implies a cause and effect, and we can't have that.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Semi-related, it looks like the lot of us are going to be unwelcome at Aussie universities, being the violent bunch we can be be.

Mike

'When the "Chair of Astrobiology at the U.S. Library of Congress" sees her job as indistinguishable from that of an Assistant Facilitator for Student Diversity & Inclusion at a community college'

https://twitter.com/St_Rev/status/1062358153399070720

David

To that crowd, those words are exactly that [i.e., incantations].

“We need to not be carelessly using narratives that are still the source of harm to a lot of people,” insists Ms Walkowicz. These “narratives” – a term used no fewer than 14 times – are actually the words colonise, settlement, (un)manned and frontier. These, then, are the spells with which Old Whitey can inflict devastating harm on the apparently tissue-like minds of women and minorities.

It’s Planet Woo.

Hopp Singg

Those Aussie universities need a fresh mascot, preferably something indigenous, that better symbolizes their newer, woker attitude.

But what?

Hopp Singg

The above pic was an ostrich with its head in the sand. I guess it broke a copyright algo or something.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It’s Planet Woo.

Planet Woo ? I suppose you are going to pretend that you don't know that Woo is an alternate colonial spelling of Wu which is the wypipo colonial spelling of 吳 and you are displaying typical appropriation of Asian culture by the Great White Hegemon.

David

Planet Woo?

I denounce myself.

[ Stands on stool of shame with hot rocks in either hand. ]

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I denounce myself.

Move over, I denounce myself for triggering you with my violent sarcasm.

Squires

In terms of “social justice” idiocy, there doesn’t seem to be any mechanism for self-correction.

Reality corrects, and harshly, when it’s time approaches. It’s time has a name: Too late. This name makes up the most wretched and destroying pairing of words in the English language.

Squires

Its not it’s, damned auto-“correct”.

pst314

the raping and pillaging of all that indigenous lunar dust

The rocks never gave their consent to be mined, you see.

sk60

shouting about the merits of Arcturian poontang.

Extra points for that one. :-)

David

Extra points for that one. :-)

It seemed suitably absurd.

aelfheld
Please tell me this is a parody. -- Alice

Okay.

This is a parody.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It seemed suitably absurd.

I don't see why, once you have seen that Arcturian poontang shake their Boötes you'll know why they say once you go Fornax, you'll never go back.

David

I don’t see why,

As someone who watches quite a few astronomy programmes, I’m now trying to picture the array of featured astronomers and physicists – most of whom use the terms colonise, settlement, manned and frontier on a weekly basis - being scolded by the ladies above for being “lazy,” unenlightened, and using “old-fashioned verbiage.”

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...I’m now trying to picture the array of featured astronomers and physicists...

Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about the Arcturian poontang and their Boötes.

David

Wait a minute,

I’m elevating the tone in the subtlest of ways.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I’m elevating the tone in the subtlest of ways.

Right, next I suppose the red Solo cups are gone and the Night Nurse will be served in tea cups.

David

I’m a smooth operator.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I’m a smooth operator.

That, and/or EU regulations.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Oops.

Clam

Oh-oh.

WTP

It stops. And it stops right NOW.

WTP

Gee, this is fun.

David

.

[ Muttering can be heard, but not quite made out. ]

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