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April 19, 2019

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Hal

Who's using Mueller Report Day to bury bad news? If you guessed Facebook, you're right: Millions more passwords stored in plaintext

Hal

A former student at a $32,000-a-year private New York college . . . .

Steve E

Never mind

Hal

Badger badger badger badger.

Lancastrian Oik

On the subject of posh eco-loons:

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'The actress Emma Thompson joined Extinction Rebellion protesters yesterday, shortly after flying in from the US.

Joining the barricade at Marble Arch in central London, the Oscar-winner raised a fist as she made a rallying call for more people to join the protests and occupy central London.

Thompson was photographed on Wednesday afternoon arriving at Heathrow after flying from Los Angeles. She appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, which is filmed in California, last Friday and celebrated her 60th birthday on Monday.

The Extinction Rebellion group, which is calling for flights to be used only in emergencies, said that her flight was an “unfortunate cost in our bigger battle to save the planet”.

It is estimated that a single flight between Los Angeles and London can run up a three-tonne carbon footprint.

Yesterday the actress, who has a 19-year-old daughter, Gaia Wise, and an adopted son, Tindyebwa Agaba, 32, spoke passionately about protecting the planet for younger generations.

She said: “We will occupy until [politicians] take action because that is the only way we are going to save our planet . . . We have to do this.

“It’s hard, it’s inconvenient for people sometimes, but it’s much more inconvenient to leave a planet that’s so completely destroyed that our grandchildren will be up against things that we cannot even imagine".'

JuliaM

"Woman preserves her late husband’s tattoos."

By taking photographs?

"WARNING: This story contains images that some people may find disturbing"

Oh.

Ten

The Tim Newman piece:

One of the errors conservatives make is thinking pointing out the left’s hypocrisy will make them change their ways. They think if only we can really highlight how unprincipled they are, they’ll not be able to use the same arguments any more. Well, how’s that working out after thirty-plus years of trying?

You can't be you when you're codependent, rightists.

Alice

Two whole minutes of soul-wrenching art.

The best part was when it ended.

Hal

. . . Gaia Wise . . .

Band name.

---Where she can even be her own lead singer, so extra points for efficacy.

David

Morning, all.

the actress, who has a 19-year-old daughter, Gaia Wise,

Oh dear.

Lancastrian Oik

Woman preserves her late husband's tattoos.

"It rubs the lotion on its skin..."

David

On the subject of posh eco-loons

Thompson was photographed on Wednesday afternoon arriving at Heathrow after flying from Los Angeles. She appeared on the Ellen DeGeneres Show, which is filmed in California, last Friday and celebrated her 60th birthday on Monday. The Extinction Rebellion group, which is calling for flights to be used only in emergencies, said that her flight was an “unfortunate cost in our bigger battle to save the planet.”

See also that other well-heeled Extinction Rebellion booster, Mr George Monbiot, who famously equated air travel with child molestation, while flying around the world to promote his own books. Books on how people – other people, that is – shouldn’t fly, ever, even once a year for overseas holidays.

Like Dame Emma T, I’m guessing he slipped the Eco Pope a tenner.

[ Added: ]

As I said at the time,

If you talk about flying using terms like “killing fields” and if you’re adamant that “flying across the Atlantic is now as unacceptable as child abuse” – if that’s what you really believe – then you shouldn’t be doing it at all, surely? Ever. Unless, that is, you have a remarkably casual view of child abuse: “Well, I did a bit of child abusing after my exams, just to let my hair down, and you can’t help but do some child abusing over Christmas because, well, everyone else is doing it. But you shouldn’t be doing it every week because it’s really, really bad.”

But this is who George is – it’s who they all are. These are the contortions they will perform in the name of piety.

Joan

Woman preserves her late husband’s tattoos.

So it was that or taxidermy?

David

Speaking of Extinction Rebellion.

Why won’t you heathens take them seriously?

David

Why cats don’t rule the… oh.

Burnsie

But the posh eco-loons get to call themselves "change-makers." And change-makers are allowed private jets and heated pools and the like because, well, shut up.

Burnsie

Kyle Sherwood, right, from Save My Ink Forever, was responsible for the preservation process.

I must say, the man who peeled the skin off the body looks like a man who enjoys his work.

David

Today’s words are hose them into the sea.

And in case there was any doubt.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Why won’t you heathens take them seriously?

It is a mystery.

Meanwhile, speaking of loons, a fashion accessory of note.

The star - who adopted Jackson as a baby and introduced the child as her son - explained that Jackson is every bit as much a girl as her three-year-old sister, August.

Everyone who is anyone has one.

Charlize recently described her dating status as 'shockingly available'.

Nothing to do with being an ultra high maintenance loon, I'm sure.

Penseivat

When dealing with public order problems from demonstrations, the details of anyone arrested, who claimed to be unemployed, were passed to the local DSS office as voluntarily not making themselves available for employment. Their joy at martyrdom 'for the greater good' was tempered by having their benefits cut or cancelled. Then they moaned, and complained, and whinged and, in some cases, cried.

I wonder if the Met are doing something similar with the current lot of eco twits?

Boatswain's Mate

ultra high maintenance loon

Too long for a band name, but would make a good album title, especially for the latest fashionable female pop "singer" (aided by autotune), whomever she is today.

Adam

Be wary of rogue super-rhesus monkeys. They are making their way to Honduras to join a caravan to the US. Once settled-in, they have a plan to elect members to Congress.

Darleen
'My job as a parent is to celebrate them and to love them and to make sure that they have everything they need in order to be what they want to be.

No, yes, no.

David

Right, it’s a bank holiday and the sun is shining. I’m heading out into the countryside for an hour or two.

Be good. Or at least hide anything incriminating behind the sofa.

Boatswain's Mate

Or at least hide anything incriminating behind the sofa.

[Looks behind sofa] A bunch of old candy wrappers and ... soiled prophylactics?? Ewww.

bgates

Somebody just needs to grow a pair

Look who's equating possession of testicles with masculinity.

Connor

Today’s words are hose them into the sea.

Let me get this straight. This morning Emma Thompson used Heathrow to get to London from the U.S. so she could support a demo stopping people from using Heathrow.

David

She writes for the Huffington Post.

David

Let me get this straight. This morning Emma Thompson used Heathrow to get to London from the U.S. so she could support a demo stopping people from using Heathrow.

Yes. I gather we’re expected to applaud her for this. She’s raising awareness, you see.

David

[ Dons surgical mask and gloves. Rummages behind sofa. ]

Let’s see. Nunchucks… some discarded underwear… and a large bag of what appear to be… teeth.

[ Rattles bag of teeth. ]

Hal

Monty Python reference for the week.

Bill Peschel

Let me get this straight. This morning Emma Thompson used Heathrow to get to London from the U.S. so she could support a demo stopping people from using Heathrow.

And destroy capitalism, as seen by the group's tweet posted above.

And Leo Tolstoy, I see you have your hand up?

It is amazing how complete is the delusion that beauty is goodness.

SumDumGuy

And finally, in Kairuppala, India

I think I'll stick with the turnips, thank you.

Steve E

She writes for the Huffington Post.

It's odd how women who claim to choose not to have a family cling stubbornly to the word family.

Darleen

University President David Yager tells students demanding Camille Paglia's firing to pound sand.

Can we clone him?

Ten

Be wary of rogue super-rhesus monkeys. They are making their way to Honduras to join a caravan to the US. Once settled-in, they have a plan to elect members to Congress.

Again.

Alp

This morning Emma Thompson used Heathrow to get to London from the U.S. so she could support a demo stopping people from using Heathrow.

Think global, act local. Emma and George are thinkers, so their reach needs to be global.

I was wondering about Brexit in that context. What the Remainers were warning about as a bad thing - Britain cut off from the global economy, no more cheap consumer goods from China or avocados fresh off the morning plane from Andalusia, a bracing adjustment to a simpler life of tending allotments and riding push-bikes made in Nottingham - would seem to be a good thing in Monbiot terms. But it turns out that Monbiot doesn't trust the British political system to enforce adequate environmental regulations.

If people are serious about making the great adjustment to a more sustainable, locally-sourced lifestyle, then surely they're going to have to rely more on their local institutions, to get accustomed again to hammering some sense into their idiot local MP instead of going over his head to Geneva or Brussels. It's all fun and games when you're telling the proles to take their holidays in Margate instead of Marbella. But there's an assumption among the globalist NGO class that their horizons and ambitions and access can remain unconstrained by the localism they want to impose on the little people.

Bill Peschel

"instead of going over his head to Geneva or Brussels"

But, you see, they can't do that. It's the unelected bureaucrats in Geneva or Brussels that are deciding all this.

If you have the locals trying to tell the elite what to do instead of the credentialed class, you'll have anarchy! Do you want anarchy, huh?

Y. Knott

That chair art was so... so... GRIPPING.

I was literally on the edge of my... errr...

I'll see myself out.

Sam Duncan

“The actress Emma Thompson joined Extinction Rebellion...”

Or, as I've taken to calling it, the Ruperts' Rebellion.

As I said the other day in Guido Fawkes's comments, I'm convinced this is a false-flag operation (with, of course, useful idiots... so many useful idiots). They've done more harm to the cause of ecomania in the last week than climate sceptics have in three decades.

“It’s an awful lot of brown.”

Harvest gold, burnt orange, and Cooper Black: instant '70s. It was a grim time to be alive.

Darleen

You know, there are some people I just want to slap upside their head.

Steve E

Harvest gold, burnt orange, and Cooper Black: instant '70s.

Let's not forget avocado green.

I knew people who had harvest gold, burnt orange, and avocado green bathrooms. Trippin'...

Cooper was my favourite display typeface for our underground newspaper in high school.

ftumch

Rattles bag of teeth.

Oh that's where they went. I will claim them.

For a friend.

Meanwhile, Art will save us all.

https://twitter.com/lucyfrown/status/1119367406659538945

Myrddin
But there's an assumption among the globalist NGO class that their horizons and ambitions and access can remain unconstrained by the localism they want to impose on the little people.

As, for instance, the jet setting Norwegian billionaires who underwrote the EAT-Lancet 'grasshoppers-and-soylent green' diet advice for The Proles and To Save the Planet - hubby seen here tucking in to a foot-high burger in Las Vegas, where he probably didn't bicycle to ?

What is the point of being the New Aristocrats if the Deplorable Proles have largely the same stuff you do - abundant calories, adequate clothing and shelter, cars, cheap travel, smartphones and big TVs ? The only real difference being the price point ?

There will be no joy in The Capital of Panem amongst the cosmopolitan elites until there is a clear and obvious underclass of New Serfs - just so everyone knows where they stand in the pecking order.

And globetrotting millionaire actors and Moonbat scribblers are the prophets of the New Ecofeudalism.

David

Harvest gold, burnt orange, and Cooper Black: instant ‘70s.

As a wee seedling, I remember my parents having a sofa whose colour I can only describe as angry tangerine.

Even then, I think I was aghast.

David

Emma Thompson used Heathrow to get to London from the U.S. so she could support a demo stopping people from using Heathrow.

‘We must stop others doing even occasionally what I do all the time, and have actually just done, and will happily do again.’ Says the super-woke actress who described one of her own flights to Cannes, by private jet, as “very, very romantic.”

They’ve done more harm to the cause of ecomania in the last week than climate sceptics have in three decades.

As I’m sure I’ve said before, if your idea of piety and activism gravitates by default towards fucking people over - say, obstructing traffic for hours and frustrating thousands of random people, ruining their day, and then exulting in their frustration while feeling enormously self-satisfied - then there’s a very good chance that you’re actually just a cunt.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

(Probably NSFW from the Mirror)

This is what happens when they stop teaching basic human biology, but they are "ultra realistic", though an anonymous customer has doubts.

WTP

The realistic silicone feet with vaginas are perfect for the feet lovers out there that still want a traditional sex toy experience

Yes. The traditional sex toy experience. And how do we keep our balance? Tradition!

https://youtu.be/gRdfX7ut8gw

Amy
if your idea of piety and activism gravitates by default towards fucking people over - say, obstructing traffic for hours and frustrating thousands of random people, ruining their day, and then exulting in their frustration while feeling enormously self-satisfied - then there’s a very good chance that you’re actually just a cunt.

So. Much. That.

Jonathan

Big Boi:

https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1119344924519010304

svh

"Our betters"...

'The group had plotted to close Heathrow with up to 800,000 passengers due to travel over the Bank Holiday weekend. But the demonstration fizzled out without any flights cancelled. An Extinction Rebellion organiser insisted the group had still caused "emotional disruption"...'

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8896401/extinction-rebellion-protesters-fail-delay-heathrow-flights/

PiperPaul

That Big Boi is Dynamite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XVMfNIJ53I

Darleen

Ruh-roh ... James Damore is going to have company in the unemployment line.

The posts were written by a female Microsoft program manager. Quartz reached out to her directly for comment, and isn’t making her name public at this point, pending her response.

“Does Microsoft have any plans to end the current policy that financially incentivizes discriminatory hiring practices? To be clear, I am referring to the fact that senior leadership is awarded more money if they discriminate against Asians and white men,” read the original post by the Microsoft program manager on Yammer, a corporate messaging platform owned by Microsoft. The employee commented consistently throughout the thread, making similar arguments. [...]

“We still lack any empirical evidence that the demographic distribution in tech is rationally and logically detrimental to the success of the business in this industry….We have a plethora of data available that demonstrate women are less likely to be interested in engineering AT ALL than men, and it’s not because of any *ism or *phobia or ‘unconscious bias’- it’s because men and women think very differently from each other, and the specific types of thought process and problem solving required for engineering of all kinds (software or otherwise) are simply less prevalent among women. This is an established fact. However, this established fact makes people very uncomfortable, because it suggests that the gender distribution in engineering might not actually be a problem (and thus women can no longer bleat about being victims of sexism in the workplace), these facts are ignored in favor of meaningless platitudes our SLT [senior leadership team] continues to shove down our throats – e.g. ‘We’re not doing enough’ and ‘we clearly have a long way to go.’”

“We MUST immediately cease the practice of attaching financial incentives and performance metrics to ‘diversity hiring’ – as long as we give more money and higher annual reviews explicitly for NOT hiring/promoting white men and Asians, this will continue to be a serious problem at the company.”

David

An Extinction Rebellion organiser insisted the group had still caused “emotional disruption”...

It occurs to me that it would be quite funny if every single one of them were put on a permanent no-fly list. Just to help them live their ideals, you understand.

Richard Cranium
The Microsoft author echoes former Google employee James Damore, who in 2017 wrote a memo that went internally viral at Google, leaning on pseudoscience to argue that women aren’t cut out for the tech industry.

What a surprise.

Hal

An Extinction Rebellion organiser insisted the group had still caused "emotional disruption"...'

True, that, or at least the protesters do keep "bursting into tears" according to the sorts of headlines and such I keep seeing . . .

This morning, some 15 children all aged under 17 held a large banner with the words 'Are we the last generation?'

Well, of that sort, no, they definitely will not be a last generation, when as the axiom notes, For you will always have the hipster among you.

Of course when it comes to noting the issues of climate change, they could do as the actual heavyweights are actually doing . . . . but there prolly wouldn't be as many TV cameras showing up to stand in front of . . . .

David

Ain’t she adorable?

WTP

Ain't she adorable

See, this is why violence is a necessary element of any civil society. Even, in a limited capacity, against women. I'm tempted to say especially in a limited capacity against certain women. No man behaving in such a manner could reasonably expect to be treated with such restrained tactics.

WTP

leaning on pseudoscience to argue that women aren’t cut out for the tech industry.

Which is totally unlike misrepresenting facts while presenting oneself as some sort of journalist.

Darleen

The Records Department of the Ministry of Truth is hard at work in Philadelphia.

PiperPaul

Peterson Zizek debate from last night in Toronto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78BFFq_8XvM

What? It's only 2 1/2 hours....

Pogonip

Burn the witch! Burn her!

https://qz.com/1598345/microsoft-staff-are-openly-questioning-the-value-of-diversity/

And a hapoy cisheteropatriarchal Easter to all!

Baceseras

Happy Easter everyone. Had some of the last of the Christmas Stollen for breakfast - there's still a few slices left, but I can't promise they won't be gone by Memorial Day.

David

Christmas Stollen for breakfast

It’s unorthodox… yet intriguing.

Trevor

Stodgen is the work of the devil.

Carol

Microsoft staff are openly questioning the value of diversity ... The posts were written by a female Microsoft program manager. Quartz reached out to her directly for comment, and isn’t making her name public at this point, pending her response.

Do these people have any idea what they sound like?

And why aren't they releasing her name? Are they toying with her so they can get exclusive access for the upcoming struggle session/self-denunciation?

Or does Jane Damore maybe have enough diversity points that she can't be cast as the baddy? So her remarks, attributed to a "person" or an "employee", can be used as a Teachable Example in a Conversation We Need to Have, but her race and sex have to be soft-pedaled?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Nothing personal to y'all over on the far side of the pond, but given some of the abominations ruining the London skyline, not to mention the proposed Dildo Tower, I think a hard pass on "sharp British ideas" is in order.

pst314

"sharp British ideas"

...from pinheads.

pst314

Stollen is the work of the devil.

Do not listen to Trevor Screwtape. Stollen is ambrosia.

Richard Cranium

A sharp "British" idea is a minaret? On a Christian church?

I hope our host escapes before someone throws him and his SO off a tall building to see if they can fly.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

A sharp "British" idea is a minaret?

That ranks up there for brilliance with the glass roof "to illuminate the space below" which would be the top of the stone ceiling that kept the burning timbers from falling further into the cathedral below and I am guessing, not that I am a professional architect, would also keep photons from falling further into the cathedral below.

One would think an architect would have an idea how buildings they are proposing to rebuild are actually built, but maybe that is not a requirement these days.

PiperPaul

"...an architect would have an idea how buildings they are proposing to rebuild are actually built

There's been much mention of how the structure was 3D laser scanned recently, so that's good. Original construction (not to mention as-built) drawings are probably not available.

These laser scans (3D photos overlaid on top of laser point clouds) are actually quite good, I've worked with them a few times. You can discern details down to about, say, 1" resolution, depending on scanner settings.

David

They’ve done more harm to the cause of ecomania in the last week than climate sceptics have in three decades.

I’ve yet to see evidence of any swell of public sympathy, at least among those whose travel plans were “emotionally disrupted.” It seems that the would-be eco-warriors are so morally incompetent that their efforts to raise awareness, as they put it - to “throw all of our energy and intelligence at something that could change the planet” - have chiefly raised awareness of the protestors’ own vanity and hypocrisy. They remain centre-stage in their own drama.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Original construction (not to mention as-built) drawings are probably not available.

From the 12th century, no, but they do have the drawings Eugène Viollet leDuc made from his mid 1800s renovation (including the spire), so there is no reason not to reconstruct it as it was.

a different James

That ranks up there for brilliance with the glass roof "to illuminate the space below" which would be the top of the stone ceiling that kept the burning timbers from falling further into the cathedral below and I am guessing, not that I am a professional architect, would also keep photons from falling further into the cathedral below.

You have eyes, but no vision!

Obviously the stone ceiling has to go!

I think that we are going to hear a lot about "re-imagining" what a medieval Catherdral might be, in a modern, vibrant multi-cultural secular age.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You have eyes, but no vision!

True enough. These people, however, are inspired with vision in the ultraviolet even bees can't see...

They're going to top Notre Dame with the Monument for Climate Justice and RaceGenderqueer Equality featuring a man having an abortion.

They should make the roof with solar panels and add affordable housing and mixed use public spaces

Needs a rooftop cafe serving avocado toast.

Don't forget the safe injection site and open lavatory

Don’t forget the wind turbine spire.

Ten

I think a hard pass on "sharp British ideas" is in order..

A shame since many were so looking forward to just how natural light from the proposed new glass roof would illuminate the space below.

Through the solid stone canopy.

Hal

A shame since many were so looking forward to just how natural light from the proposed new glass roof would illuminate the space below.

Through the solid stone canopy.

. . . . . . Um . . . as far as I can tell, what "solid stone canopy"??

Mebbe some bits of interior cross bracing, mebbe, but there seems to have been no "canopy", just the roof that burned, and now one sees straight down to the cathedral floor . . .

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Mebbe some bits of interior cross bracing, mebbe, but there seems to have been no "canopy"

Once again, weighing in on something you have no clue about, here is are before and after for you.


More here with details of the ceiling construction. The main hole in the ceiling from the fire was caused by the collapse of the 1844 spire leDuc added.

pst314

More here with details of the ceiling construction

The ceiling certainly looks like vaulted stone construction.
I think what burned was a forest's worth of roof timbers above the stone ceiling.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The ceiling certainly looks like vaulted stone construction.

As indeed it is (he said having been there), but it is a testament to the builders that it withstood the weight of the burning timbers and lead roof tiles falling on it.

pst314

it is a testament to the builders that it withstood the weight of the burning timbers

They built for the ages and for God, not for a fast buck and a trendy architect.

Hal

Once again, weighing in on something you have no clue about, here is are before and after for you.

. . . . . . ?????????

My guess for that there is that you mumbled instructions to and for yourself and then also typed them out . . . . but that's the guess.

In the meantime, regarding Notre Dame, from the source you cited, you might be trying to refer to;

. . . But principal parts of the vaulted ceiling have collapsed onto the church floor, . . .

Yes, as you've noticed, unlike you, I actually read stuff.

A more detailed description might be;

Within an hour of flames being seen, the roof and spire were fully engulfed and collapsed onto the stone vaulting that formed the ceiling of the cathedral's interior. Some sections of this vaulting collapsed in turn, allowing debris from the burning roof to fall to the marble floor below, but most sections remained intact, greatly reducing damage to the cathedral's interior.

Around 23:15, officials reported that the fire had weakened and that both towers were safe. Both towers and one-third of the roof, remained standing.

So. I read that an entire two thirds of the former roof has indeed hit the floor after falling all the way down, apparently there is indeed a good deal of open sky visible from the ground, and next will be the decisions of what to repair entirely or what to replace entirely.

And so, one version can indeed be to fill back in that two thirds that has fallen down, and then prolly build in steel over that. And yes, another version would indeed be to yank the remaining one third, the assorted parts that haven't fallen, and again while prolly building with steel, etc, indeed put in a front door throught altar length clear roof.

pst314

Hal, your first comment was "...as far as I can tell, what 'solid stone canopy'??"
Farnsworth replied with evidence that the ceiling is indeed vaulted stone.
How is your latest comment any sort of reply to what Farnsworth wrote?

Hal

Hal, your first comment was "...as far as I can tell, what 'solid stone canopy'??"

Quite.

Farnsworth replied with evidence that the ceiling is indeed vaulted stone.

No, Farnsworth replied with evidence that the ceiling was indeed vaulted stone. Apparently some approximate two thirds of which are now lying on the floor.

How is your latest comment any sort of reply to what Farnsworth wrote?

Hmmm. Well, there is this practice that I and others do called reading. We find it quite useful and informative. Have you ever encountered this practice before?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You really are special.

...but that's the guess.

As indeed is virtually everything you post, but wowsers, you really did catch me out in a typo, strong work sleuthing that one out Sherlock.

You at 1816:

Mebbe some bits of interior cross bracing, mebbe, but there seems to have been no "canopy"

You at 0256

...parts of the vaulted ceiling have collapsed...Within an hour of flames being seen, the roof and spire were fully engulfed and collapsed onto the stone vaulting that formed the ceiling of the cathedral's interior.

There is either a ceiling, or isn't. Pick one.

...I actually read stuff...So. I read that an entire two thirds of the former roof has indeed hit the floor...

So you read wrong and/or have no comprehension. From your link, "...but most sections remained intact, greatly reducing damage to the cathedral's interior.[43]*" Yes, Wikipedia also has a reference that says, "...he said, but two-thirds of the roof was destroyed." (reference 23) Roof, not ceiling, says nothing about roof bits hitting the floor as indeed they didn't except through the two main holes.

There are 17 vault sections from the entrance to the apse. The spire was over the one at the transept and formed the major hole (that being a larger vault section than the others), there was a further collapse from debris two vault sections closer to the entrance (the two holes visible in the photo above), and a partial collapse of the ceiling of the north wing of the transept. That would be a collapse of about 1/8 of the vaulted ceiling, and if you looked at your own links you can clearly see burned rubble lying on the top of the vaulted ceiling.

For reasons that are unimportant, I have actually studied some of the works of Violett-le-Duc including his Notre Dame renovations, you are just wrong, take the L and learn something instead of strutting and preening.

*Reference 43 (A crucial fact missing in most of the coverage of the Notre Dame fire was that the cathedral in effect had two roofs: one made of 800-year-old wood, and beneath it another one made of 800-year-old stone. It appears that the stone roof held, apart from the collapse of two sections of vaulting.)

Farnsworth M Muldoon

PST314 - Code 9000, it is Hal, the only guy who can look at a photo he himself posted of rubble lying on the top of the vaulted ceiling at the level of the tops of the flying buttresses, and imagine it to be the ceiling itself lying on the floor of the cathedral.

Hal

You . . .

'k . .

You at 1816:

Mebbe some bits of interior cross bracing, mebbe, but there seems to have been no "canopy"

Ayup.

You at 0256

...parts of the vaulted ceiling have collapsed...Within a

Nope.

Me at 02:56

Within an hour of flames being seen, the roof and spire were fully engulfed and collapsed onto the stone vaulting that formed the ceiling of the cathedral's interior. Some sections of this vaulting collapsed in turn, allowing debris from the burning roof to fall to the marble floor below, but most sections remained intact, greatly reducing damage to the cathedral's interior.

Around 23:15, officials reported that the fire had weakened and that both towers were safe. Both towers and one-third of the roof, remained standing.

So, precise to the millimeter reports of all of the damage are now the work in progress, and, rather evident early evidence did note the occurrence of that which was on top indeed crashing all the way to the ground.

And as usual, all I have to do is to cite that which is right there on any accessible monitor screen, to be confirmed by anyone.

So when you openly fantasize that There is either a ceiling, or isn't. Pick one.

...I actually read stuff...So. I read that an entire two thirds of the former roof has indeed hit the floor...

So you read wrong and/or have no comprehension.

. . . well, no, contrary to your fantasies of being a one person Ministry Of Truth and rewriting reality at will, what is actually stated really is still right there on the screen.

The only possible way for you to get what you're demanding is if indeed '1984' is filed in the 'practical advice & self help' section of [your] bookcase.

Myself, I have read 1984, but I don't consider it a personal guidebook.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You at 0256:

Within an hour of flames being seen, the roof and spire were fully engulfed and collapsed onto the stone vaulting that formed the ceiling of the cathedral's interior. Some sections of this vaulting collapsed in turn, allowing debris from the burning roof to fall to the marble floor below, but most sections remained intact, greatly reducing damage to the cathedral's interior.

You also at 0256:

So. I read that an entire two thirds of the former roof has indeed hit the floor after falling all the way down...

You misspelled "imagined" as "read". It doesn't say either your Wiki link or the original NYT reference that two thirds of of the former roof had hit the floor, nor could it as debris from the apse and nave at the west end wasn't all going to fall through two holes 80-100 feet away absent someone picking it up and shoving it through.

The mainly uncollapsed ceiling.

One pile of debris from the hole at the transept, one pile of debris from the second hole, in the otherwise largely intact interior.

Neither of those piles of debris, individually or collectively, are "two thirds of the roof", that would be the debris in the first link, the black stuff on top of the vaulted ceiling.

What we have, then, aside from your non sequiturs, is your false contention a) "but there seems to have been no "canopy", just the roof that burned", b) your bogus contention, upon learning that there was indeed a vaulted ceiling, that it too collapsed, c) your denial of plain photographic evidence that "two thirds" of the roof did not collapse through two holes onto the floor of the cathedral.

I realize that your posting of gibberish and the replies to it are probably the only attention you get, but nobody is laughing with you, unless your goal is to play the fool, that you do well.

pst314

Hal, you could have replied to Farnsworth with something more honest and civil, such as "Those photos certainly do show a vaulted stone ceiling. I never knew, thank you, that's very interesting."
Instead you replied with a torrent of gibberish.
You really should pull your head out of your ass.

Hal

You at 0256:. . . . You misspelled "imagined" as "read".

Uh huh.

What you apparently still don't comprehend is that text doesn't just miraculously shift and change for everyone just because you wave your hands. And I'm sure David has much better things to do than doctor text for you.

The reality remains.

The only possible way for you to get what you're demanding is if indeed '1984' is filed in the 'practical advice & self help' section of [your] bookcase.

Myself, I have read 1984, but I don't consider it a personal guidebook.

Hal

Hal, you could have replied to Farnsworth with something more honest and civil,

As you've quite noticed and frantically deny, that was entirely honest and quite civil.

Utterly by contrast is your demonstration of the contrary,

Instead you replied with a torrent of gibberish.
You really should pull your head out of your ass.

In short, you are demanding that I lie, lie, lie, lie, and lie some more.

The sort of reply you're trying to imaging being able to state yourself, little boy, is the following.

I believe in free speech, so long as the state is allowed to arrest those who say the wrong things. --Titania McGrath

Unfortunately for you, Andrew Doyle is a far better writer than you are.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

What you apparently still don't comprehend is that text doesn't just miraculously shift and change for everyone just because you wave your hands.

Projection, it is not just for breakfast anymore.

Pst314

Hypothesis: The reason Hal comments here is that he like to throw feces.

Hal

Projection, it is not just for breakfast anymore. . . .

. . .Hypothesis:

Heh!!

You do remind one of a pair of flat earthers sitting at the children's card table and frantically screaming The Wall Of Ice Is Real!! The Wall Of Ice Is Real I Tell you!!!!

Yes dear, how does your kind say it, Yes, Winter is Coming!

---Oh wait, that's the wrong trope, whatever, have some more cranberry sauce with your stuffing . . . .

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