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May 14, 2019

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'Literally crying right now'.

https://twitter.com/shoe0nhead/status/1128146621026402304

David

‘Literally crying right now’.

Theatrical trauma is the new strappy black dress.

Quite a few feminists are currently banging on about the latest episode being “obviously sexist” and hinging on a “lazy, sexist trope.” Though I’m not clear why this is suddenly an issue. The recent plotting was rushed and bumpy, functional at best, but Daenerys’ turn to the dark side was foreshadowed several times, from season two onwards, and burning shit hardcore has pretty much been her go-to solution. Perhaps it’s no longer permissible for a fantasy drama to show that claims of righteousness can mask unsavoury impulses - at least, not if the character is female and popular among feminists.

Boatswain's Mate

It's become, within the past decade or so, that at least popular (with feminists) female characters must either be laughable Mary Sues (where MY willing suspension of disbelief completely burns to the ground, Hindenburg-like) or totally virtuous, whose only flaw is that she's just not perfect enough. And any human flaws she may have (anger, vengeance, resentment, etc.) has to be in service of the grander narrative of "Grrl Pwr!"

Oh, and never again think about killing off a lesbian character anymore. You will be dealt with thusly.

Ten

Feminism: Insufficient experience with the typical imperial wife syndrome of the average straight married normie household. Worldwide. For emphasis, insert 'fucking' into that as many times as you wish, just to make the point and lend it a certain 2019 comprehensibility. Intellectuals operate at a higher level.

David

If anyone has trouble with comments not appearing, email me and I’ll jiggle the spam filter, which is once again being capricious.

Boatswain's Mate

David (if I may be so informal), thank you for the link to the Scruton/Murray discussion. Most enjoyable. I listened to the whole thing (whilst getting ready for work and children for school).

Thanks again.

David

My pleasure.

Sam

Actually I quite agree with the shrieking harpie that Dany's character turned on a dime - I just find it hilarious!

I mean, people were naming their kids "Khaleesi", Elizabeth Warren identified with "the breaker of chains", the character was a stand-in for the [current year] basic bitch feminist and became an icon because of it...just for the incompetent writers to rush her arc and pull the rug out from these loons. Their rape survivor benevolent dictator girl power icon just Hiroshima'd untold thousands of innocents in what amounts to a post-breakup hissy fit. Delicious.

David

I mean, people were naming their kids “Khaleesi”,

And Daenerys, apparently. I have to confess, in light of this week’s episode, that made me laugh quite indecently. I suppose the moral of the story is that it’s probably best to get to the end of the saga before chav-naming your child.

Sam

it’s probably best to get to the end of the saga before chav-naming your child

Well, Mrs. Gump made it work:

His mother named Forrest after their ancestor Nathan Bedford Forrest, a Scotch-Irish American and a noted Confederate general in the American Civil War and the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. She intended his name to be a reminder that "sometimes we all do things that, well, just don't make no sense".
David

Their rape survivor benevolent dictator girl power icon just Hiroshima’d untold thousands of innocents in what amounts to a post-breakup hissy fit. Delicious.

Or, “Needy woman with enormous sense of entitlement turns out to be colossal bitch.”

billdehaan

I mean, people were naming their kids "Khaleesi"

Generally, those are the same people who were name "Kunta" after Roots aired in 1976 and their parents decided to take inspiration from a television show for moral guidance.

sH2

Honk! Honk!

https://twitter.com/JarvisBoatOwner/status/1127919685121585153

Boatswain's Mate

The previous poet's comment section's too long, and this one is a wee bit moribund, so twinkle-plink-23-skidoo, or whatever the hell. Have one on me.

Boatswain's Mate

Post's, not poet's, dammit.

Stupid Germans.

David

Have one on me.

Bless you, sir. May your shoes be waterproofed in time for the first snow.

Sam

To help Mate's boredom I'll force some conversation.

For as long as I can remember people have been insisting I watch Top Gear on BBC, but it didn't seem my cup of tea. After hearing about the controversy around Jeremy Clarkson's firing I decided to check out the new iteration on Amazon - Grand Tour. Holy hell it's a fun show and I'm kicking myself for not watching years ago.

But a question for anyone who has watched for a while: what are their politics? They take the piss on environmentalists and global warming, but that might be their "petrol head" agenda. Clarkson makes fun of Labor and Corbyn, is generally un-PC and very opinionated, so I doubt he's simply a centrist. James May is made out to be the lefty of the group but keeps quiet about politics for the most part. Hammond strikes me as the basic, safe lefty type.

(I know I shouldn't obsess about politics and that all this is super banal but hopefully reading this saved Boatswain 20 seconds of boredom.)

Boatswain's Mate

Ah, snow in May. Would that it could be. Not so down here, alas.

David

It’s a fun show and I’m kicking myself for not watching years ago.

The season 3 episode Survival of the Fattest, filmed in Mongolia, is good fun.

Forbes

FWIW--the Scruton-Murray conversation was excellent. How anyone can consider themselves conservative (and/or educated) and kick Roger Scruton off anything is bewildering.

Pogonip

I wish feminists would stop forcing their religion on everyone. You don’t see articles whining that some movie or TV show is not Christian and therefore badthink. I am also tired of the fannish burblings of SAPs being treated as news. The same thing happened w/the Mad Men TV show, which I never watched. Grumble. Smithers! Release the “eggs”!

I never watched the Game of Thrones TV show. In the last book (“last” in both senses of the word) Dany was parked firmly in Meereen, in love with a boring merc, who would probably have turned out to be the last betrayal if Martin hadn’t lost interest.

Damian

Thanks, David, I hadn't seen this one yet.

Boatswain's Mate

I never watched the Game of Thrones TV show.

Nor I (I won't shell out what funds I have left each month for premium propaganda channels). And I could only manage mid-way through the first half of Season (that's "Series" to y'all o'vair) 7 of "The Walking Dead" before I completely lost interest. And I tried to give "Breaking Bad" a good-faith shake, and I thought the first few episodes were OK, but against, it couldn't hold my interest (maybe I just have ADD, I don't know).

The last of these long-form, multi-season dramas I watched all the way through was "The Sopranos," which, ironically, was the springboard for all that has come since.

OK, I just lost the point. Bugger. OK, carry on.

Pogonip

“Literally crying right now...”

I’ll give credit where it’s due. She didn’t tell us she was lying on the floor sobbing.

Pogonip

If it weren’t that we need it for bad weather alerts, which are frequent in the central U. S., blizzards, derechos, tornadoes, “severe thunderstorms,” etc. I wouldn’t even have a TV. I just don’t have the patience for it any more. Also the shows do not seem to be written for my demographic (old grouches). The comedies all seem to be written for 12-14-year-olds; I’d have found them hilarious at that age. And the dramas all seem to be written by and for SAPs. I would not even have liked them in my youth.

This is something quite new. Up till about 25 years ago, TV shows were written to draw the broadest possible audience. You may not have particularly liked space shows, for example, but an episode of, say, Deep Space Nine would still have a plot involving themes and emotions that everyone would understand, so that if it happened to come on while you were watching, you might find it sufficiently engaging that you wouldn’t bother switching channels. Then—and it seemed to happen almost overnight—sponsors suddenly wanted no one’s money except that of SAPs. It was like what you’d encounter if all stores other than Target suddenly vanished. If you needed hardware of some sort, you’d be just shit out of luck, because Target doesn’t sell hardware and now you live in a world where it would never occur to anyone that people might want to buy hardware. I notice the surreality of the situation every time I’m trapped in a waiting room with a TV.

A “severe thunderstorm” is one that’s ambitiously trying to prove it can do just as much damage as a tornado. I can’t figure out how to put it up here using a touch screen, but I have a picture of a tree knocked down by a severe thunderstorm right where I used to park when we lived in the apt. in Ohio. If anyone wants to see the picture, I’ll send it to David so he can post it. The crushed car in the picture is in my old parking space.

pst314

the fannish burblings of SAPs

SAP?

Daniel Ream

Their rape survivor benevolent dictator girl power icon just Hiroshima'd untold thousands of innocents in what amounts to a post-breakup hissy fit.

It has been a while since I've found an opportunity to bang on about BPD, hasn't it.

Up till about 25 years ago, TV shows were written to draw the broadest possible audience.

TV shows have always been written to appeal primarily to women, because that's who watches them. Men watch sports or movies. Broadcast television only exists to sell ad time, and advertisers want to target women because that's who controls the household finances.

Pogonip

SAP = Spoiled American Princess. A while back the subject was coming up a lot and I got tired of typing it out, so I abbreviated it.

pst314

SAP = Spoiled American Princess

Ah, got it.

ComputerLabRat

Aye, I have the same question. What's a SAP?

Feminism: Insufficient experience with the typical imperial wife syndrome of the average straight married normie household.

Imperial wife syndrome - that perfectly describes so many friends' marriages. I feel bad for the men, but it's their choice I guess.

Pogonip

Daniel, you must be too young to remember the Western and private-eye genres. There was plenty of TV slightly slanted towards men, though most of it, as I said, tried to draw in everybody. The early private-eye shows, such as Mike Hammer and Peter Gunn, were strongly slanted towards men. By the 80’s, the formula had been fine tuned towards handsome and tough-but-sensitive PI’s like Thomas Magnum that drew lots of eyeballs of both sexes.

The original Star Trek, created by the Bill Clinton of entertainment, Gene Roddenberry, had a masculine slant, what with the mini-skirts and Captain Kirk tomcatting his way across the universe, but ended up with an overwhelmingly female and feminist fanbase. I guess that goes to prove that a sponsor could never be sure of what he was buying! But Star Trek sponsors have done all right for themselves.

Pogonip

Speaking of TV, Tim Conway has died at 85. If you Brits, and young Americans, never saw The Carol Burnett Show, seek out specimens on Youtube, Mr. Conway was a funny, funny man. There are numerous examples of Youtube of him causing his co-stars to laugh in the middle of a sketch. He was also in a couple of Disney movies.

Pogonip

I have just been reminded that there was an ‘80’s rehash of Mike Hammer who wasn’t nearly as violent as the original. Eyeballs for, and from, everybody!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Not a joke.

Well, OK, it is in the sense that most modern architecture is, but with the level of stupidity they are coming up with these days, I am starting to think that architecture schools are now taking only those students who couldn't cut it in education programs.

pst314

Not a joke.

They got people to notice them, which I think was the purpose: "Look how clever and transgressive we are! We can think way outside the box!"

Hal

Speaking of TV, Tim Conway has died at 85.

You sure that little asshole's through?

WTP

Y'all know you can look these things up? That's how I knew it meant Socially Awkward Penguin. Of course, as you've demonstrated, it is always better to ask...

https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/SAP.html

Pogonip

From today’s Nakedcapitalism.com:

http://www.openculture.com/2019/03/killer-rabbits-in-medieval-manuscripts-why-so-many-drawings-in-the-margins-depict-bunnies-going-bad.html

Farnsworth M Muldoon

If nothing else, this is a testament to the strength of their elastic.

Darleen

If nothing else, this is a testament to the strength of their elastic.

That's eons away from Brooke Shields.

yawhook

Sam | May 14, 2019 at 20:46

On Clarkson, May and Hammond a good read on the trio is:

And On That Bombshell: Inside the Madness and Genius of TOP GEAR by Richard Porter.

Which is a book written just after (and as a consequence of) the Rosé incident.
Young Richard was the script editor on Top Gear and now works on Grand Tour.
If you do read it you will probably come away impressed with just how hard the relatively small team worked on this programme.

(If you search for it using David's Amazon search link he might get some coin if you actually do buy something)

David

I mean, people were naming their kids “Khaleesi”,

It has been a while since I’ve found an opportunity to bang on about BPD, hasn’t it.

To regard Daenerys as the obvious heroine of the saga – someone to name your children after – always struck me as a little odd. Her oft-professed concern for the downtrodden is repeatedly shown as superficial or self-flattering, something to be abandoned when things prove difficult, and of much less importance than her own thirst for power and delusions of destiny. That feminists in particular seem to have identified with this character possibly tells us something.

David

Apparently, the word blackbirds is racist and offensive.

Please update your files and lifestyles accordingly.

David

Actually I quite agree with the shrieking harpie that Dany’s character turned on a dime - I just find it hilarious!

You could certainly grumble about the execution of the arc and its lack of finesse – the plotting and characterisation have gone downhill quite noticeably in recent seasons – but the arc itself, the descent into disaster, has been hinted at quite strongly, at least as a possibility, several times. Way back in season two, in Qarth, Daenerys has a vision of herself in the throne room, now wrecked, roofless and covered with either snow or ash. She touches the throne, briefly, but doesn’t sit on it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Reverse skydiving.

Pogonip

While our betters are fending off micro-aggressions and literally crying about Dany, here’s some privileged white guy mansplaining his petty problem:

https://abcnews.go.com/US/nebraska-farmer-kurt-kaser-recounts-sawing-off-leg/story?id=63026761&cid=clicksource_4380645_null_card_related

All kidding aside, the old habit of never working alone with dangerous machinery is falling into disuse as people rely on being able to call for help with their cell phones. Buddying up should be revived. May God bless Mr. Kaser and grant him a speedy recovery (and an available buddy next time he has to work with that machine).

And David, the next time we see you alone with that flamethrower, we’re telling your mom.

David

Reverse skydiving.

Not unlike blogging.

What?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Apparently, the word blackbirds is racist and offensive.

Stone the crows !

And David, the next time we see you alone with that flamethrower...

Speaking of which, along with rusty spoons and sharpening steels, the Regents Park Rozzers will be after those next. When chef's knives are outlawed, only outlaw chefs will have knives, or summat.

Jen

'Was I Right to Call the Cops on a Black Man Breaking into a Car?'

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/magazine/was-i-right-to-call-the-cops-on-a-black-man-breaking-into-a-car.html

Pst314

To regard Daenerys as the obvious heroine of the saga – someone to name your children after – always struck me as a little odd...

As I recall, George RR Martin said that his intent was to tell. Medieval romance in which, one by one, *all* the heroes are shown to be evil—because he wanted to destroy the idea that there could be or ever was a nobility that was noble.
Did these fans not hear that? Or did they forget?
Caveat: my knowledge is very limited because I don’t watch the show (loathe it) and haven’t read Martin since the early 80’s.

David

Did these fans not hear that? Or did they forget?

I couldn’t say. I don’t follow his interviews and haven’t read the novels. But Mr Martin has certainly enjoyed subverting genre tropes – the demise of Ned Stark being an obvious example. Seeing the ostensible main protagonist, the nearest thing to a good guy, being killed off at the end of season one was quite surprising. Ditto, the Red Wedding, etc. Benioff and Weiss take similar pleasure in subverting - or at least thwarting - expectations. It’s a question of who does it with more flair.

And of course, a question of whether such thwarting is ultimately satisfying and sufficient compensation for shunning the kinds of conclusions that readers and viewers otherwise tend to expect.

Pogonip

Can I keep my pink-handled For The Cure chef’s knife? How many virtue points is the pink handle good for?

I got the pink-handled knife some years ago at Target, no surprise, but what WAS a surprise was it was marked down from $20 to $5 after the For The Cure promotion ended. You’d think if anyplace would sell virtue points at full price 24/7/365, it’d be Target.

I don’t want to give the impression I’m picking on Target. They’re the best place to stock up on laundry supplies, and the knife’s a fine knife. It’s just that, well, Target’s funny!

WTP

Haven't watch any of GoT but this Daenerys thing amuses me. Especially people who have named their children after her. Imagine some of those little girls are now about 7 year old. Old enough to be aware of the show and now this plot twist. And I'm sure Mommy told them all about where their unusual name came from.

This somewhat reminds me of something I've brought up here before regarding Tolstoy's Anna Karenina. If in that story, with sufficient politicization (my copy has a blurb from Vladimir Lenin) along with repeated "educational instruction" at our fine colleges and universities over the last 100 years or so, the general "truth" about Anna can be turned from a pitiful, fallen woman (as Tolstoy insisted) into a feminist heroine, why can't the same be done for Daenerys? For the sake of the children, of course. There could be other useful applications as well.

Pogonip

And in another 20 years Game of Thrones will be forgotten, condeming little Daenerys to a lifetime of hearing “How do you spell that?”

Khaleesi, on the other hand, will probably stick around as it looks and sounds like a typical American-black name.

WTP

Ah, so kinda like in the 1970's naming your son Rudolph Jordache.

Pogonip

*chortle*

svh

"The fact that the criminal actors are students, and that the criminal acts occurred on a college campus, should not alter the basic principles creating legal liability for engaging in a criminal act,"

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/330500/

pst314

...should not alter the basic principles creating legal liability for engaging in a criminal act

"It's not criminal when we do it!"

MC

I have very much enjoyed GoT and enjoyed the books too. However, it is utterly bizarre that someone could be so emotionally and politically invested in it; it's a fantasy series FFS!

I thought the TV team did a good job of crafting a storyline out of the written material and tidying it up sufficiently (and it needed a lot of tidying). Whoever was in charge of casting did brilliantly.

However, it was bound to falter when the rich vein of material from GRRM dried up. It is worth pointing out that said vein started drying up in A Feast for Crows... and he ain't going to finish it. He tossed off 300,000 words of early Westeros history for a new book - I forget the name - while Winds of Winter doesn't even have a vague publication date. Classic displacement activity, familiar to anyone who's reorganised their sock drawer when they ought to be writing a report.

David

However, it is utterly bizarre that someone could be so emotionally and politically invested in it; it’s a fantasy series FFS!

I was, I confess, faintly miffed that Cersei didn’t get a more memorable final scene. I’m assuming, of course, that she won’t emerge from the rubble next week, looking sneerily immaculate and clutching a glass of wine.

Classic displacement activity, familiar to anyone who’s reorganised their sock drawer when they ought to be writing a report.

Yes. Mr Martin’s tardiness is very much part of the problem. For those who care about such things.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Nigel Farage or Dr. Mesmer reincarnated, you decide.

WTP

Nigel Farage or Dr. Mesmer reincarnated, you decide.

Admittedly a different country and culture but imagine how media on both sides of the Atlantic would have howled had Trump and/or the GOP said the same about Hillary's quite similar logo. FFS grow up people. Or perhaps that's the problem. The grownups in the room, the professor of clinical psychology and such, haven't intellectually nor emotionally moved beyond the sixth grade.

David

Nigel Farage or Dr. Mesmer reincarnated, you decide.

Does rather suggest desperation. Perhaps a storm is coming.

Pogonip

The Red Wedding was based on the Massacre of Glencoe in 17-something. I once read an interview with Martin in which he said no matter how hard he tried to come up with something uniquely rotten for his characters to do, once he started researching he’d find that somebody, sometime, somewhere, had already done it for real.

Daniel Ream

The early private-eye shows, such as Mike Hammer and Peter Gunn, were strongly slanted towards men. By the 80’s, the formula had been fine tuned towards handsome and tough-but-sensitive PI’s like Thomas Magnum

So in a generation when a woman's masculine ideal was a physically capable alpha male, TV shows displayed such, and when in the 1980's the ideal shifted to the Sensitive New Age Man Who Isn't Afraid to Wear Pastels, TV shows followed suit. Hmmmmmm.

what with the mini-skirts and Captain Kirk tomcatting his way across the universe, but ended up with an overwhelmingly female and feminist fanbase.

It's almost like those two things are related.

That feminists in particular seem to have identified with this character possibly tells us something.

As I mentioned on the previous thread, "feminist" entertainment always, always reveals more about the writers - and the fanbase - than either seem to be conscious of. CW's Supergirl in particular, seemed to have some kind of writers' revolt going on in season 1. Either that or they accidentally wrote every single female character as insecure, neurotic, self-centered to the point of being amoral, and deeply desperate for validation from men.

I've never understood people's shock and dismay at GRRM's writing habits. He's never written a novel series before; his prior career has consisted entirely of editing compilations and writing occasional short stories, and the descent of the Wild Cards anthologies he edited into deconstructionist S&M superhero porn is well-known.

However, it was bound to falter when the rich vein of material from GRRM dried up.

That's a funny acronym for Wm. Shakespeare.

Pogonip

George definitely has some weird fetishes!

pst314

...his prior career has consisted entirely of editing compilations and writing occasional short stories...

Not entirely: He has written non-series novels (Dying of the Light 1977, Windhaven 1981, Fevre Dream 1982, Armageddon Rag 1983) and novellas and novelettes (A Song for Lya 1974, Sandkings, 1979.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_R._R._Martin#Bibliography

Pogonip

I liked Sandkings. When I saw Game of Thrones vol 1 I thought “Hey, the Sandkings guy wrote a book!” which is how I got started on those. I doubt he’ll ever finish the series. I hope that he has left instructions that after his death the plotlines for any upcoming books be released so readers can at least find out how it was supposed to end, if he knows yet. He may not. Stephen King, whose Dark Tower series also suffered lengthy delays, told of getting a letter from a guy facing execution and another from a lady with terminal cancer, both of whom promised to keep mum if he’d tell them how it ended, and he had to write back to both and apologize because he didn’t yet know the ending.

Ed Snack

Another writer with a long series to write is Brandon Sanderson. He is writing what is supposed to be a 10 book series - The Stormlight Archive. He's published 3 books so far over about 10 years though he is starting Book 4. There's supposed to be a bit of a gap between the first 5 and the second five. So possibly another 20+ years to finish. In contrast to GRRM Sanderson does write to schedules and has produced more or less on time.

But that's a hell of a wait, and a significant number of his fans (self included) may well not see it out to the end.

As a series I find the first book to have been outstanding, the second less so and the third OK. The story still develops as do the characters, and there's plenty of in-story mysteries to ponder over. There's a fairly active fanbase as well but nothing like the GoT TV fanbase.

Darleen

Everything is racist.

jabrwok

Regarding the wing-suited plane-hoppers, every time I see one of those videos I'm reminded of the original wing-suite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMrt7t3oAtw.

Darleen

Another writer with a long series to write is Brandon Sanderson

In between of writing the Stormlight Archive he does stuff like Mistborn (which I loved) so I'm not too upset he's taking his time.

GRRM though seems to like to dither on his laurels and snipe at more diligent writers.

WTP

Stephen King, whose Dark Tower series also suffered lengthy delays, told of getting a letter from a guy facing execution and another from a lady with terminal cancer, both of whom promised to keep mum if he’d tell them how it ended, and he had to write back to both and apologize because he didn’t yet know the ending.

That Stephen King guy can be creative when he wants to be.

Pogonip

He has TDS now, unfortunately.

juliaeryn

Speaking of misguided feminist heroes from GoT, am I the only one who Couldn't stand Lady Stark (and watchd the red wedding gleefully)?

I got the impression that I was supposed to indentify with her because she was supposed to be a smart, "gettin' it done" woman who could hold her own in affairs of state and guiding armies in war, PLUS she was a loving mother, PLUS she was a 'victim' (e.g. by Ned Starks affair), PLUS she was loved by other dudes, PLUS she looked extra awesome compared to her gross sister ... But I found her super irritating. Sure she could direct the army and make tough decisions when ordering about the sons of plebs. She could tell Mr DirtFace that she had to make the difficult call for the greater good that led to his son being killed in battle (probably horribly). But as soon as her own childen were in danger suddenly she compromised everything to protect them (coz guys she is such a wonderful mother). Were we supposed to swoon over her mercy and monthly instinct? Cause all I could hear was David Brent snorting 'Hypocrite warning!

is repeatedly shown as superficial or self-flattering

Goodness. I am not hypoersensitive to these things, but I remember watching that scene with Dany's blondeness being revered and carried above the hordes of dirty brown people and thinking "jesus, are you guys serious with this?"

I wish there were more likable female characters on GoT and in general. I think the best female characters are those that would have been the same character regardless of sex (e.g. Ripley, or for want of a GoT example, maybe Arya?). These characters would have been largely the same had they been written as man or as a woman. I don't think I'm being pandered, or Mary Sued too...

I do like Circe admittely, but I don't see her or her brother as actual characters, more like caricatures that are fun to watch, but are not actually real in any sense. Plus, Circe doesn't deliver her lines like a Yr 10 drama student so that's a bonus (to be fair to the Danys actress, as all she is given to work with is self-righteousness and 'My DRAGGONS!'

Richard Cranium

@Pogonip, Stephen King has *always* hated Republicans with the heat of a thousand suns.

Pogonip

True, but before it was just the normal eddicated-American voiced hostility to Republicans (while taking full advantage of the tax policies of same). He didn’t totally crack up till Trump came along. In his case Trump may hit some uncomfortable memories—King grew up poor and Deplorable.

David

“feminist” entertainment always, always reveals more about the writers - and the fanbase - than either seem to be conscious of.

Given the kinds of psychology common among feminists, that doesn’t surprise me.

Either that or they accidentally wrote every single female character as insecure, neurotic, self-centered to the point of being amoral, and deeply desperate for validation from men.

I forgot that you’re an aficionado of cheesy teen super-dramas. It’s like when we discovered that Franklin is bewilderingly knowledgeable about the life and works of Jason Statham.

David

Heh.

David

However, it is utterly bizarre that someone could be so emotionally and politically invested in it; it’s a fantasy series FFS!

So anyway, this exists.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

For the first time in my life I feel complete and like a real woman. (Work caution, depending on how Puritan your employer is)

Obvious tasteless (NPI) joke aside, how the hell would this guy know what a woman feels like, never having been one, and why does he think he will now, seeing as how this construction has little anatomical resemblance and zero physiological resemblance to the genuine article ?

MC

That's a funny acronym for Wm. Shakespeare.

Our Will was more than happy to plunder other's plots.

Karandash

Scruton/Murray - the music professor's remark at around 1h1m about his very nice but painfully woke students, and Scruton's answer at 1h4m about how his childhood immersion in classical music fortified him against wokeness...

Whatever worked for Scruton evidently isn't working any more. "Very nice but painfully woke" describes the handful of people I know who play classical music professionally or at a serious amateur level. One of the reasons is that in the bubble they live in, the promise of diversity truly works - native-born and immigrants (who all just happen to be high IQ, gratification-delaying, and high-parental-investment) brought together by the universal appeal of Bach.

I enjoy watching Benjamin Zander's masterclasses on Youtube. He's a cellist and a mentor to young musicians. Everyone is very nice, the teacher is enlightened and tactful, the young students are awesomely talented and eager to learn, and the audience learns a lot about what sorts of interpretative choices can be made by skilled conductors and performers. And from time to time, Zander inserts a political speech, on the assumption that everyone in the room is against Trump or for Hilary or whatever. And on the assumption that they've driven all the way there to listen to him talking about politics. It seems presumptuous and out of place to me, but given that admission to these masterclasses is a fringe benefit for donors to the Boston Symphony Orchestra, we're in a world of upper middle class SWPL's to whom maybe this is welcome.

Hal

So anyway, this exists.

Hmmm. So if they "fix" GOT, it'll never breed again?

As for Martin in general and other than Songs Of, Tuf Voyaging is rather nice.

David

in the bubble they live in, the promise of diversity truly works - native-born and immigrants (who all just happen to be high IQ, gratification-delaying, and high-parental-investment) brought together by the universal appeal of Bach.

Heh. As opposed to rather more commonplace but less elevating experiences.

David

It seems presumptuous and out of place to me.

The tendency to indulge in incongruous and self-satisfied political signalling has been noted here before, more than once.

Sam

the promise of diversity truly works - native-born and immigrants...brought together by the universal appeal of Bach

You and I know this, but that's exactly the kind of unifying diversity that sane westerners of all political stripes wish for, and self-loathing leftists despise. A shared cultural experience that celebrates beauty and quality with the freedom to explore variations and innovations is the Western ideal, and one that can and has led to incredible achievements. Alas, instead it is your skin color, accent, or stinky bits that should be celebrated and the environment (ie culture) we all share is to be denigrated.

WTP

brought together by the universal appeal of Bach
...
self-loathing leftists despise. A shared cultural experience

But of course. Why must all those other culturally diverse people have to listen to Bach instead of Kunqu opera or say something based on the Maqamat system? In what sense is Bach universal or diverse? For shame.

pst314

the promise of diversity truly works - native-born and immigrants...brought together by the universal appeal of Bach...Kunqu opera...

When the left wants to propagandize for "diversity" and unlimited immigration, it touts these sorts of examples. But when the left is actually doing "education" it does not teach the highest achievements of various cultures. Instead, it teaches the Marxist and racists from those cultures. Hence, for example, Rigoberto Menchu.

Pogonip

Get woke, go broke:

https://www.thewrap.com/members/2019/05/15/salon-media-announces-5-million-sale-bankruptcy-and-liquidation-threatened-if-deal-fails/

Salon was where Brittney Cooper started—David’s written about her now and again.

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