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June 03, 2019

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Joan

In the photos in both articles the husband looks like he's crying inside.

David

In the photos in both articles the husband looks like he’s crying inside.

I wondered how long it would take one of you to pick up on that.

[ Slides drinks voucher along bar. ]

Joan

[ Slides drinks voucher along bar. ]

After lunch. ;-)

Sue Sims

Actually, the entire article is a mixture of complaint - that’s obvious - and humblebrag: ‘Look what an amazingly mature, responsible and wonderful daughter I’ve managed to bring up.’ Either way, it’s all about her.

David

Either way, it’s all about her.

It does invite a suspicion that Mommy thinks she deserves raw material, and attention, more than she thinks her family should be functional - and not, say, humiliated or neurotic.

Still, could be worse.

sk60

When do we get to hear what dad thinks?

*crickets*

David

In other news, I believe the expression is shots fired.

Nikw211
    So I decided to try and salvage our faltering marriage by using every resource I could think of: for over a year, I plunged into research, consulted countless experts, divvied up chores with the help of time management experts and brought (well, dragged) my husband to couples therapy. The result was an upward spiral: when Tom began to help me out, I was happier, which in turn made him happier.

Boy, that Patriarchy sure does work in mysterious ways.

MC

I rarely sympathise with these types, but at least she's stayed with hubby for nine years and counting of their child's life. It could be worse.

It is surprising that she has not realised the solution to her only child problems is really very straightforward....

Also, no wonder she rescued her faltering marriage - she is punching well above her weight with that chap.

David

Either way, it’s all about her.

Regarding the second article, you do have to wonder whether publicly shaming your own husband, by name, at length and in print, with a photo, in a national newspaper, is the ideal way to “salvage” a “faltering marriage.” And doing all this while saying, apparently unironically, “I couldn’t bring myself to confide in friends or family.” And then boasting, “We now work out issues like grown-ups.” Grown-ups who write national newspaper articles to complain about each other, presumably.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...we consider a movie. Sylvie proposes “Escape From New York,”...

TBF, if the kid is thinking that might provide an exit strategy for her from her idiot parents, she is a bright kid.

As family psychologists such as Dr. Carl E. Pickhardt, Ph.D., point out, only children often feel like one of the adults.

Well, if a Dr. PhD says it, it must be true, on the other hand, "I never met a sprog who didn't understand a slap in the face or a slug from a .45", to paraphrase*. In all seriousness, if you don't lay down the law early, establish rules and discipline, what the hell do you think is going to happen ?

Tom and I have fully enabled Sylvie to feel like one of the gang, because we go almost everywhere as a trio. We’re usually too cheap to hire babysitters,...As a result, Sylvie has gotten used to being included...

There you have it, you are rubbish parents; the offense rests.

*("Play it again Sam" Bogart character...)

David

In other other news, I’ll just leave this here, I think.

Daniel Ream

Regarding the second article, you do have to wonder whether publicly shaming your own husband, by name, at length and in print, with a photo, in a national newspaper

One of the frustrating things about enjoying cooking is that Facebook recipe groups are about 1% recipes and 99% overprivileged middle-aged housewives publicly shaming their husbands. This isn't a terribly rare phenomenon nor one restricted to the kinds of women who become journalists.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Meanwhile, in The Great White North, racism rears its ugly head.

As she has done before, last month, Lido Pimienta, a Colombian-Canadian singer, asked audience members of color to move to the front and white members to move to the back. Unlike other times she has made that request, some white members refused to act in accordance with her request, including a white female volunteer who was reportedly there to photograph the show.

It's OK when we do it...the racism, however, is not, of course, that the lovely singer nobody has ever heard of told the wypipo to move to the back of the bus (regardless of whether they paid to sit up front), but that a yte photographer refused.

In your daily two-for-one bargain, you also get free patriarchy as a cause of this blatant racism as the fetching Miss Pimento adds.

We are all in a complicated and painful time, but we’re on a necessary path, unlearning patriarchal western "civilization" ways. If we don't speak up, we will never evolve.

That damn "civilization", "Boy, that Patriarchy sure does work in mysterious ways."

Computer LabRat

In other other news, I’ll just leave this here, I think.

Well, of course...

Self awareness is not something progressives possess in spades, is it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Why anyone in the UK, with all the fine beers to be had, would drink Budweiser (not to be confused with the Czech Budweiser Budvar) remains a mystery, but this ad campaign is a total mystery.

David

but this ad campaign is a total mystery.

Previously, and less dramatically, known as people with very low libidos. Or possibly, chronic masturbators.

Kevin

#AWALT #YesAllWomen It is amusing how people still write songs, movie scripts, etc., with women still being held up as some kind of prize. Women are more like pitbulls these days; if they are not chained up and muzzled, don't approach.
Sarah-Jane Parkinson
Emma Sulkowicz
Patricia Crosby-White
Karla Holmolka

Seems like all women want these days, is to destroy lives. Husbands, children, infanticide, by any means necessary.

David

By the way, has anyone here been watching the HBO/Sky mini-series Chernobyl...? I’ve been told it’s rather good, albeit, understandably, somewhat grim.

Boatswain's Mate

Self awareness is not something progressives possess in spades, is it.

Spades? Hell, a deuce of clubs would trump the CTRL-Left's self-awareness card.

WTP

Seems like all women want these days, is to destroy lives. Husbands, children, infanticide, by any means necessary.

I occasionally do volunteer work mentoring youth and a kid I briefly was working with, via DCF, had been put in a foster home, fortunately a foster home of family friends, because his mother and father were going through a bitter separation. This kid was 15 years old. Speaking with the foster mother, who knew both parents, she implied that the mother was making trouble for the husband through the kid. Fortunately things got resolved after only a couple of weeks of my working with him and he was able to see his father again. It was heart breaking to see this kid put up a brave face but seriously missing contact with his father. Once the court case was worked out and he was able to see his dad again, he was so happy. Granted #NotAllWomen but the more I see stuff like this, the more it scares the hell out of me how close that nutcase Hillary, with all her issues, got to being given leadership of the most powerful economic and military power in history.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

ell, a deuce of clubs would trump the CTRL-Left's self-awareness card.

Yes but not a deuce of spades, that would be racist.

Speaking of which, the young miss you would least want to have dinner with and was beaten like a red headed rented mule in her bid for congress, seems not to have heard of Memorial Day.

Her whole twit feed is a study in psychopathology (check it out) but the replies to this one are a hoot

David

Her whole twit feed is a study in psychopathology

As we’ve seen, Ms Rao is not well, and most likely never will be. Some kinds of damage you just can’t undo. Assuming anyone were inclined to get close enough to attempt it.

Burnsie

...but the replies to this one are a hoot

Ha ha ha. How can anyone not love Hurricane Man?

Liz

And yes, the family does live in Brooklyn. And no, they don’t share a surname. And yes, the adults have availed themselves of professional counselling services.

Lol. Three for three.

David

Three for three.

I don’t have strong feelings about the surnames thing, but it occurs to me that not taking your husband’s surname, ostensibly as some Great Feminist Statement - while retaining what is presumably your father’s surname and therefore scarcely less patriarchal or whatever - creates complications. For instance, having different surnames can confuse people as to whether you’re married or not, and if so, to whom; and any children with hyphenated surnames will then face the issue of what to do when they get married, especially if it’s to someone whose own name is also modishly hyphenated. Do they ditch some of the accumulated names - and if so, which ones - or do they go for multiply hyphenated surnames, which would seem a bit much?

[ Added: ]

So, if Derek Williams and Sarah Anderson get married but retain their own surnames, and their children’s surnames are hyphenated as Anderson-Williams, what happens when little Annie Anderson-Williams grows up and wants to marry James Houghton-Clompington? Do we get a brood of Anderson-Williams-Houghton-Clompingtons?

I’m exaggerating for comic effect, of course. But only slightly.

Burnsie

And yes, the adults have availed themselves of professional counselling services.

And it went something like this:

"Do you feel dominated by your wife?"

"No he doesn't!"

Squires

...shots fired.

Just tell Sadie these things are a part of urban life one has to expect, and that it is a racist act to complain about it, or even mention it at all.

Some kinds of damage you just can’t undo.

Some people are poisoned right down to the bone. The greater danger is that they always desire others to be poisoned, too.

Pogonip

I like the orange dress.

jabrwok

the surnames thing

I've read that it's supposed to be a sign of loyalty. Paternity being the least obvious biological relationship (men don't get pregnant after all), the wife taking her husband's surname is signalling her transfer of loyalty from her father's household to her husband's. One of many indicators of fealty which serve to ensure that the husband is the biological father of the wife's children, or at least has good reason to believe his is.

Cliff

When I was growing up, I would never have dreamed of sharing anything remotely personal with my parents ... I wanted a different kind of relationship with our daughter.

This feels very 1970's in its thought process and in what it's presenting as innovative or quirky. Not entirely the 1970's I grew up in, or that she grew up in, but the 1970's of progressive New Yorkers as depicted in films and TV shows of that time. I can imagine Diane Keaton and Alan Alda cast as the parents who share the confidences of their marriage therapy at dinner parties, because there shouldn't be any boundaries between a married couple and their friends; and Tatum O'Neal or Jodie Foster as the precocious child who "notices" things, and whose knowledge of anatomical terms shocks the stork-and-baby prudes.

David

the 1970s of progressive New Yorkers as depicted in films and TV shows of that time. I can imagine Diane Keaton and Alan Alda cast as the parents who share the confidences of their marriage therapy at dinner parties,

Heh. That.

jabrwok

Ah, the City of Angels.

Pogonip

Re the kid reminding her parents of their anniversary:

I’ll take “Things That Didn’t Happen” for $2K, Alex.

Steve E

but it occurs to me that not taking your husband’s surname, ostensibly as some Great Feminist Statement - ... - creates complications.

It creates complications for the most mundane of things to. Pick up a pizza, whose name is it in? Loyalty account at retail store, whose name is it in? My wife kept her own surname because--feminism, the patriarchy, etc.--she now says if she'd known what a pain-in-the-ass it would be she wouldn't have done it. When she signs up for things now she gives my surname.

Steve E

Black Mirror Season 5 hits Netflix this Wednesday. The trailer is up. There are only three episodes.

Ten

it’s all about her.

When do we get to hear what dad thinks?

It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

Prov 21:9

But, you know.

Watcher In The Dark

Is this article a skirmish in the ongoing Battle Of The Sexes, or merely a warning shot across a dad's bows?

Sam

anyone here been watching the HBO/Sky mini-series Chernobyl...?

Perhaps I've grown too cynical, but I see this as battlespace prep by lefties for the "if you want clean energy then why not nuclear?" question they will face by the few greens left in their movement that actually care about protecting the environment.

Anyone who's looked into the subject realizes that the risks of nuclear power in reality do not at all match the narrative. For most of my life I thought of nuke plants as a bunch of Homer Simpsons one nap away from ending the world...until I read about the actual deaths associated with the worst disasters. Perhaps focusing on the nuclear aspect of the Chernobyl disaster was the Watermelons' tactic to distract from the horrifyingly inept fruits of Soviet communism.

David

Perhaps focusing on the nuclear aspect of the Chernobyl disaster was the Watermelons’ tactic to distract from the horrifyingly inept fruits of Soviet communism.

I haven’t seen the series yet – given its subject matter, I suspect I’ll have to be in the right mood. But I gather that the ineptitude of the Soviet bureaucracy and its culture of dishonesty are presented as just as horrifying as the disaster itself.

Sam

To be fair, according to this writeup:

"Chernobyl" producer Craig Mazin responded to my review to say "Our show is NOT going to show birth defects."

So yes, the show could very well be an accurate portrayal.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

But I gather that the ineptitude of the Soviet bureaucracy and its culture of dishonesty are presented as just as horrifying as the disaster itself.

Not so much, it was Trump's fault

It started Thursday, when the novelist Stephen King tweeted out, “It’s impossible to watch HBO’s CHERNOBYL without thinking of Donald Trump; like those in charge of the doomed Russian reactor, he’s a man of mediocre intelligence in charge of great power—economic, global—that he does not understand.”

In response, conservative commentator Dan Bongino fired back with his own tweet, suggesting that King was comparing apples and oranges: “Chernobyl was a failure of socialism (where the govt controls the means of production), the exact opposite of the Trump deregulation and tax cut agenda.”

That, in turn, brought in Chernobyl’s screenwriter Craig Mazin to respond to Bongino with a pretty serious insult: “Chernobyl was a failure of humans whose loyalty to (or fear of) a broken governing party overruled their sense of decency and rationality. You’re the old man with the cane. You just worship a different man’s portrait.”

Sam

LEFTIST 1: "Chernobyl is just like Trump!"

CONSERVATIVE: "No, it's not, because the ideologies in question are polar opposites."

LEFTIST 2: "Damned conservatives and their obsession with Trump!"

SAM: [ Continues desperate search for dimensional exit from Clown World ]

David

[ Continues desperate search for dimensional exit from Clown World ]

It’s here somewhere. It’s just folded up really, really small.

In other TV-related news, while I wait for season six of Bosch, due next year, I’ve been happily re-watching HBO’s Rome. Polly Walker’s Atia is particularly entertaining.

And I’ll thank you not to judge me.

jabrwok

And I’ll thank you not to judge me.

Too late. Fortunately the judgement is "mostly harmless":-D.

Pogonip

*chortle*

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball", but you can't dodge Clown Quarter "researchers".

Thousands of academics are gathering in Vancouver for the annual Congress of the Humanities and Social Sciences from June 1-7. They will present papers on everything from child marriage in Canada to why dodgeball is problematic...a trio of education theorists will argue that dodgeball is not only problematic, in the modern sense of displaying hierarchies of privilege based on athletic skill, but that it is outright “miseducative.”...Dodgeball is a tool of “oppression.”

RTWT...

Hal

...we consider a movie. Sylvie proposes “Escape From New York,”...

That one's always seemed to me to be a quite charming documentary . . .

Pogonip

I’m not a fan of dodgeball, for the reasons mentioned, that the bigger kids use the game to pick on the weaker kids, but I’m inclined to put the blame on gym teachers who sit there with their noses in a book—or, these days, a phone—instead of supervising their uncivilized little charges. Dodgeball COULD be used as a way to teach sportsmanship. “Ethan, the reason I’m taking you out of the game for the rest of this month is you deliberately broke Poindexter’s glasses. You think about whether you want to play like a gentleman next month, or keep sitting it out.”

Pogonip

I’ll bet no school bully ever broke THIS fellow’s glasses (and lived to tell about it):

http://www.todayifoundout.com/index.php/2017/10/near-assassination-teddy-roosevelt/

Hal

Why anyone in the UK, with all the fine beers to be had, would drink Budweiser (not to be confused with the Czech Budweiser Budvar) remains a mystery . . .

Apparently there's a market for sake that's really badly made, made really badly, something of the sort.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I’m not a fan of dodgeball, for the reasons mentioned, that the bigger kids use the game to pick on the weaker kids...

On the contrary, it is a great equalizer because the weaker and/or smaller can gang up on the bigger, it teaches small (number, not size) unit tactics. If the Poindexters can't figure that out, they deserve what they get, Darwinism, and so on.

Americans love to fight. All real Americans love the sting and clash of battle. When you were kids, you all admired the champion marble shooter, the fastest runner, the big-league ball players, [the best dodgeball players]*, and the toughest boxers . Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. Patton

Meanwhile, Chipotle plans on gouging its customers because of the Mexican tariffs, even though outside of the highly unnecessary avocados which no normal person puts in a burrito there is not a damn thing they make that can't be made with American ingredients. It is rumored the E. coli will still be free.

Personally, with all the millennials andother riff raff wringing their hands over fargin' avocados, I am going big into US avocado futures.

*(In original draft)

Forbes

Dodgeball?? I thought it was banned outright sometime in the 20th century.

You mean to tell me it's still played in some public school phys ed class... Will wonders never cease?

Pogonip

That’s a good point that I overlooked, Farnsworth. Thanks!

David, another hump fat for Farnsworth, please. On his tab. 😉😈

WTP

Heh...

There’s a lot of mystery surrounding hump fat. After locating camel milk and hump-fat purveyor Desert Farms’s website and ordering a 14-ounce jar of their “Hump Fat,” I tried to get in touch with someone who could tell me more about the ingredient. I sent an email to the company’s press email address and got no reply. I called the company’s phone number, which was an answering service that eventually directed me to the press office’s line, where I was met with a voicemail instructing me to write to the press email address. No reply. So I engaged Facebook Messenger and asked Dester Farms if I could get someone on the phone to answer a few questions about the fat. The representative I got in touch with eventually gave me a different company email address. The reply I received from a representative at that email address said nothing other than to reach out again the following day. I did, and have not yet gotten a reply.
https://www.myrecipes.com/extracrispy/adventures-in-cooking-with-camel-hump-fat

Daniel Ream

On the contrary, it is a great equalizer because the weaker and/or smaller can gang up on the bigger, it teaches small (number, not size) unit tactics.

This is a pernicious myth that generations of ABC afterschool specials and books aimed at nerdy kids have been promulgating: that if you just gang up on the bully, you can defeat him and he'll stop. It doesn't happen because bullies pick on kids that the rest of the group have already ostracized for whatever reason. They go after easy prey.

Pogonip

Clearly the only way to settle this is with a Muldoon/Ream dodgeball grudge match. Clear the floor!

The bikers want to know if they can play...

Pogonip

Wouldn’t it have been fun to watch Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone have a dodgeball grudge match?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

This is a pernicious myth that generations of ABC afterschool specials and books aimed at nerdy kids have been promulgating:...

Except that I predate by more than a few years ABC after school specials and books aimed at nerdy kids and was one (being a new boy and hence an outsider and target) of the organizers of the indoor PE period dodgeball resistance.

The Pawn Sacrifice was:

a) Grab as many of the grapefruit sized balls as possible before the two or three assholes who infected the other team got them thus leaving them with the regulation sized ones which were easier to dodge and/or didn't hurt.

b) Pick a volunteer to be bait (we had no shortage of bait volunteers because being hit early meant you were out of the game and could cool your heels the rest of the period), while the assholes were concentrating on creaming him, everyone on our side of truth, justice, and the American way, previously dispersed with the rest of the team, converged and nailed them with the little balls that stung like hell.

The Gandhi Variation was to rush the line (we tried walking but that involved having the ex-Navy CPO PE teacher in our faces and pushups) making no move to throw a ball and get picked off in the first wave so we could screw off the rest of the period.

In the first case, the assholes, being easy to taunt, fell for it every time till they got eventually tired of it, in the second, the assholes, and everyone else on the other side eventually stopped picking us off first and it devolved into an ordinary game.

There were other ploys, regardless, it is actually a good indoor PE activity as it involves running, throwing, jumping, and all the dodging (when we weren't screwing off) good for agility.

Darleen

in a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Darleen

dodgeball is not only problematic, in the modern sense of displaying hierarchies of privilege based on athletic skill,

Um, I thought that was the point of sports?

Last I looked, the Olympics isn't giving all participants a trophy just for showing up and waving to the crowd at the opening ceremonies.

Pogonip

The Triathlon Wave will be introduced next year.

Daniel Ream

was one (being a new boy and hence an outsider and target)

"Being the new kid" and "being the gamma" aren't synonymous.

Wouldn’t it have been fun to watch Errol Flynn and Basil Rathbone have a dodgeball grudge match?

Flynn was a terrible - by which I mean dangerous - stage fencer. He was sufficiently wild that they paired him with Rathbone repeatedly because Rathbone, being an excellent fencer, was one of the only actors who could fence with Flynn and not get hurt.

Ed Bo

I was small for my age, and not well coordinated. I got pummeled in dodgeball games. I remember once looking at the red spot on my chest after a game and realizing that the ball must have flattened like a pancake when it hit me.

Did I mention that it was the highlight of my day every day that we played it?

Darleen

Sometimes we didn't have a ball to play dodgeball outside of school... so Red Rover was the game (which I'm sure would put some of these researchers into apoplexy)

David
This weekend, a biological male who identifies as a transgender woman and who won a global cycling championship last year complained about how “toxic masculinity” makes women feel uncomfortable.

Today’s word is irony.

Ray

Going back to the surname thing, if father tries to board an airplane with a nine year old girl who doesn't share his surname, the airline will hit the big red panic button.

David

if father tries to board an airplane with a nine year old girl who doesn’t share his surname...

Presumably, the child would likely have a hyphenated surname, part of which would be the father’s. I believe that’s the fashion. (That this fashion has connotations of aristocracy and status is, I’m sure, entirely coincidental.) Though there’s still the problem of how those hyphenated offspring will name their own children. If they follow the same rules as their parents, the whole thing rapidly becomes unworkable and absurd.

ACTOldFart

"Hump Fat" sounds like an excellent name for a Hong Kong porn film star.

Daniel Ream

If they follow the same rules as their parents, the whole thing rapidly becomes unworkable and absurd.

Society has handily avoided that problem by simply doing away with marriage entirely in favour of widespread single motherhood. Problem solved!

Ray

I think Spanish surnames do this already? I'm sure I've come across father-mother named individuals. When they marry the mothers' names are dropped and they become mr & mrs mansfather-womansfather. It's a long time since I had Spanish friends, may be this is an old custom since abandoned. In any case the abandonment of the mothers' names would be unacceptable to feminists.

David

Problem solved!

It sort-of works as unintended symbolism, a measure of modern feminism. In that, the problem it allegedly addresses isn’t actually much of a problem, and the solution offered is remarkably short-sighted and results very quickly in farcical complication and general absurdity.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"Being the new kid" and "being the gamma" aren't synonymous.

No, but having been skipped a grade I was a year younger and smaller than my classmates at the time, the size issue having been corrected by the passage of time and natural hormonal factors which solved that problem. In the interim, however, the techniques (and others) above achieved the goal of thwarting the assholery even if it was only by being put out early - they can't pick on you if you aren't there (tactical withdrawal, as it were) - and not the sweet sound of one of the small dodgeballs smacking someone in the face. Accidentally, of course, that was out of bounds.

I'm sure I've come across father-mother named individuals.

I was going to suggest a similar Icelandic tradition of using both a matronymic and patronymic (e.g., Gunnar Helgasson Bjornsson or his sister, Helka Helgasdottir Bjornsdottir) but these days, when there is often no clue who the father is, I guess that wouldn't fly.

pst314

"...it occurs to me that not taking your husband’s surname...creates complications."

I have heard of some writers, and others in careers where name recognition matters, keeping their names when they marry. But that's a special case.

David

I have heard of some writers, and others in careers where name recognition matters, keeping their names when they marry.

Also, gay couples.

TimT

I never expected my wife to take my name when we married and nor did she. I don't think it's that big a deal. I admit children's names can be a complication.

Watcher In The Dark

TimT: My number 1 daughter-in-law when she married number 1 son kept her own (Chinese) name -- and no worries, she speaks perfect English. However their son has his dad's (and therefore my) surname and it doesn't seem to cause complications. But then we live 'Oop North' and we don't have much time for complications: we leave that to our southern softy friends who can dwell on these things with a passion :)

prm

Regarding names, there can be legal complications depending on the country. The UK with it's history of general (sadly diminishing) laissez-faire means you can do pretty much what you like - changing your name is a matter of telling everyone your new name. But my wife is Italian, and is not allowed to take my name (or double barrel it with hers). She has to take my name as a middle name as an almost hyphen, so going from e.g. Lucia Borgia to Lucia Smith Borgia. I can double-barrel mine if I can be arsed. We're doing that with our soon to be newborn, so she will be (excluding a bunch of middle names) Melania Smith-Borgia. I'm hoping in a few generations we shall have great grandchildren with colossal pseudo-royal mitteleuropa surnames.
I can however see her name becoming a right pain for various reasons mentioned above...

David

I’m hoping in a few generations we shall have great grandchildren with colossal pseudo-royal mitteleuropa surnames.

The name and signature boxes on forms will have to be enlarged. It’s a looming stationary crisis, I tell you.

WTP

The name and signature boxes on forms will have to be enlarged. It’s a looming stationary crisis, I tell you.

Nah, eventually we'll all be identified by some hash of a GUID that will contain your family history tree back to year zero. Year zero being the advent of social media. Or 1/1/1970. Which will also be stored in a chip in the scruff of your neck. Or DNA. Which will be problematic with adoptions. Which will be outlawed because cultural appropriation or some such. Though I suppose we could all, adopted or not, have T-cells implanted to generate unique identifying markers embedding this information in the DNA. Of course in the ultimate Brave New World we will all be given serial numbers upon matriculation from the government hatchery.

Daniel Ream

She has to take my name as a middle name as an almost hyphen, so going from e.g. Lucia Borgia to Lucia Smith Borgia.

This mostly derives from the ancient Roman convention of praenomen nomen filiation cognomenae tribus. There's a reason many Romans eventually ended up being known largely through nickname slike Quintus ("fifth").

Hal

Which will be problematic with adoptions. Which will be outlawed because cultural appropriation or some such. . . . Of course in the ultimate Brave New World we will all be given serial numbers upon matriculation from the government hatchery.

Logan 6. It's not every day they authorize a new Sandman.

TimT

There's a reason many Romans eventually ended up being known largely through nickname slike Quintus ("fifth").

I believe the official custom was to name them in number of birth, in fact. Hence all those Quintuses and Tertiuses (fourth) and so on you see mentioned in Latin literature.

From my reading of the Icelandic sagas, what you seem to inherit as an old Icelandic person is 1) a conventional name, 'Njal' or something like that, there seem to be only a limited store of them 2) a last name (your father's name plus 'son', or your mother's name plus 'dotter') and 3) a whopping great genealogy. Every Icelandic saga begins: "There was a man named X, he was the son of .... the son of.... the son of... the son of..." Presumably you'd get an ale horn whacked over your head if you started a saga off and omitted the all-important genealogy. That way madness lies. But nicknames came into it as well. So you get blokes like "Erik the Red" (let me guess - he had red hair?) or "Egil One-Hand".

Then again, there may be new patronymic practices developing.... according to a joke I heard, a westy Sydney mum goes into Centrelink (social welfare) to collect her dole:
"How many children do you have?" says the social welfare worker.
"Four", she says. "They're Shane, Shane, Shane, and Shane."
"But don't you have any problems with that?" says the worker.
"Nah," says the westy mum. "Frinstance, if I want to call them for dinner, I just have to stick me head out the window and say, 'Shaaaaaaaane! Get ya arse in here!'"
"But what if you want to tell them apart?" says the worker, baffled now.
"That's even easier! I just call them by their dad's last name!"

LW

"go out to dinner, just the two of you, and speculate on which members of the waitstaff are sleeping with each other."

People do that?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It’s a looming stationary crisis, I tell you.

Stationary, what of the embroidered monogram industry ? Might take up a whole tea towel, and on a shirt extend onto the sleeve. Whole new machines will need to be built, larger hoops for the hand embroiderers, the logistical problems are endless.

Hal

. . . what of the embroidered monogram industry ? Might take up a whole tea towel, and on a shirt extend onto the sleeve.

Nah, that's still only going to be a concern for those being sent off to summer camp or so, where the collected laundry will keep having to get sorted out.

For the rest of us, the situation will remain that It's my closet and assorted drawers and such, therefore that's my clothing, and doesn't have to get such twee ID labeling . . .

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...twee ID labeling...

More "twee" embroidery from camp...


---you really can't help yourself, can you ?

Baceseras

Testing

Where’s Bagel Street?

Hal

...twee ID labeling...

More "twee" embroidery from camp...

Oh, My, if you really are unable to tell the difference between working adults and that lowest class lot that Must Be Seen Showing Monograms, then you really do need to go upstairs and see what there is outside of your grandmother's basement . . . .

a different James

That this fashion has connotations of aristocracy and status is, I’m sure, entirely coincidental.

My parish newsletter contains a list of all those Christened in the last month.

The double-barrelled names are 100% chavistocratic rather than aristocratic.

Think along the lines of Daenarys Chrystelle Murphy-Bolger or LaShawn Jayden O'Donnell-Byrne rather than Quentin Maximillian Fortescue- Psshaw.

Hal

Think along the lines of Daenarys Chrystelle Murphy-Bolger or LaShawn Jayden O'Donnell-Byrne rather than Quentin Maximillian Fortescue- Psshaw.

She Don’t Use Jelly

We aren’t having kids for another year or two, but we like Kellyna Nychole, Taryn Mykah and Mykenzie Kathryn for girls.

This woman was indicted under the Flagrant Over-Use of the Letters K and Y Act of 1983.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Oh, My, if you really are unable to tell the difference between working adults and that lowest class lot that Must Be Seen Showing Monograms...

Yet, curiously, you are the one could only think of summer camp. Something subliminal perhaps ? Repressed memories of too many swirlies you got there ?

Regardless, Hal, the only reason you will never have anything embroidered, whether it be a name tape or a tea towel, is you think all your underwear came that why and your name is "Fruit of the Loom".

Now toddle off and compose another 1800 words quoting yourself and that "Curia" lunacy about some irrelevancy as usual - maybe to prove your changed your name to "Hanes"

Hal

Yet, curiously, you are the one could only think of summer camp. . . .

Glory, hallelujah, behold, we have a clairvoyant among us, who effortlessly reads all of our minds!!!

For lack of a table, will you be tapping on the bar next to thus divine your next drink order?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

You are coming in broken and stupid again Hal, unlike you, I just read what you wrote - no one can read your mind because your signal to noise ratio has almost zero signal.

pst314

Hal, he's right. Your comment was incoherent.

Hal

You are coming in bro . . . . . ent was incoherent.

Siiiigggghhhhhhh.

. . . . . . what of the embroidered monogram industry ?

. . . Following our discussion and review of the desperately and frantically lowest class pretentious and their related affectations, we get a floundering declaration that . . . you are the one could only think of . . . . .

If there are more than three of us reading here, then how, pray tell, could I be that the one without certainty about what anyone else is thinking?

Beyond that, if you're confused about the use of the word clairvoyant, well, apparently if you have such accuracy regarding the thought of another, you're apparently supposed to know that inherently as well . . .

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I'll review the bidding for you Hal, as you are of the logic impaired community:

a) semi-tongue in cheek discussion turns to double barreled names which could turn into triple, or quadruple barreled names;

b) David makes comment about how such will affect the stationary industry;

c) I add on with the embroidery industry.

At this point you had two options:

1) Add on, for example, "What of the poor sods at summer camp with their names completely around around the waistband of their underwear?";

2) That, of course, would have required you to have a sense of humor, instead, you opt for being your usual pompous self and make another absolutist statement, and I quote: "that's still only going to be a concern for those being sent off to summer camp..." (you might want to look up what "only" means). This is followed by a HalClassic™ mini rant about how you are too good ever to wear anything embroidered because anything embroidered is "twee".

At this juncture I post a picture of a multicam or OCP name tape to show decidedly non-twee embroidery.

Once again, you were presented with the options:

1) Say something along the lines "OK, yeah, a problem for them too" (it actually is a problem with long names);
2) Drop the subject;
3) Go into full HalMode™ and furiously look up on google what I posted a photo of, followed by an irrelevant link to AR 670-1 (there is a PAM that goes with that, BTW), followed by your typical definition shifting where your previous statement about "only" for one group suddenly also means a bunch of others to include "hipsters", about whom you have a peculiar pathology, and more of your links to your own rants that you think proves your point (Pro Tip: it never does) while beating your chest and strutting like the proverbial pigeon on the chessboard.

It is OK to admit you are wrong, Hal, but as you have skin so thin it can't be seen with an electron microscope, you instead go on trying to demonstrate that monograms are a "lowest class pretention" by once again quoting your 1700+ word delusional flight of ideas.

"Lowest classes" - right, this will come as a surprise to one Elizabeth Alexandra Mary Mountbatten-Windsor, whose monogram (not her cypher) is below.

As I have said, get a new shtick, you don't have to do the same thing every damn time.

WTP

Bagel Street? Where the Susquehanna Hat Company is located? Why I believe in Niagara Falls. Funny you should ask. Oddly prescient. Or not.

pst314

Where’s Bagel Street?

Thanks. Maybe I should seek out more of their comedies.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Where’s Bagel Street?

Memphis, famous for bars and blues joints, surely you have "Bagel Street Blues".

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