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June 23, 2019

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David

By not doing as you’re told, you’re “contributing to oppression” and are therefore wicked. An enemy of the just.

You’d think that people who are allegedly overflowing with sensitivity and insight might register that continually barking instructions at people, instructions that are faintly ludicrous, and threatening to smear them if they don’t comply, while rejecting anything but deference as the act of an enemy, is not an ideal way to win sympathy or indulgence.

TimT

Ever being a progressive sort striving to further the social justice agenda, I published my pronouns on my blog some time ago, and I'll thank you lot to use them.

Several of my feminist friends deliberately click the button that says 'male' on their Facebook profile just to screw with the system, I'm sure they'll be delighted to be informed by this beacon of progressiveness that they're all transphobic.

Jen

"This account's Tweets are protected."

So "they/them" only likes giving the orders.

Frank

I've decided on "Your Excellency", suitably galling for someone to have to use when referencing me–the curtsey is obligatory–and also non gender specific. So there is that to crow about.

But on a more general note, it is not cool to stone the homosexuals anymore, I get that. I'm down with it for the most part, really I am. But according to the modern day pieties we are seemingly required to idolise the fuckers? I don't recall being consulted on that one.

David

So “they/them” only likes giving the orders.

The dialogue, such as it was, did seem a one-way street. Such that any whiff of demurral on the subject was dismissed, in advance, as enemy action and a basis for denunciation. Which suggests the kind of personality, the kind of mental habit, that one should probably not defer to.

If someone is trying their damnedest to make me their enemy, on the slightest pretext and in a nakedly passive-aggressive way, that rarely bodes well.

Burnsie

"Do what you want, I don't care, just leave me alone."

"You will be made to care.

Therein lies the problem. It's not about fairness; it's about submission.

Adam

I’ll wager that the vast majority of “cis people” do not know what that means. And the vast majority of those who do know don’t care.

BTW: I reject the application of pronouns. I will not be oppressed by categories of speech created and maintained by white men to secure their unearned prominence in society.

WTP

You’d think that people who are allegedly overflowing with sensitivity and insight might register that continually barking instructions at people, instructions that are faintly ludicrous, and threatening to smear them if they don’t comply, while rejecting anything but deference as the act of an enemy, is not an ideal way to win sympathy or indulgence.

In a society that is so mentally weak that even American "conservatives" will fall for a 4chan troll that the OK hand signal is a secret white power gang sign, I think you may be a bit optimistic here. In a world so weak, the sheep is king.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

“Your/her omnipotence,” please.

(The Archdruid calls me “Your/her kittenship,” but we all know what a h8er THAT guy is.)

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

You know, I typed the above on an Apple phone, which recently updated, such that it draws a red squiggly line beneath words it doesn’t like, such as “Cutekitten” or “Archdruid.”

It has no problem at all with “h8er.”

Zionist Overlord #73

I always take care to identify as a 9th-century Arabian prince, Al-Haj Fadl Abd-al-Rahman Al-Baghdadi.

If pressed, I explain that the 'H' needs to sound like you're clearing your throat (and not the soft palate), the 'A' in 'abd' is pronounced as if you're trying to vomit up a marble (but not an egg), and the 'gh' is halfway between the 'A' of 'abd' and a Canadian 'R'.

Oh, and expecting me to answer you after you've mispronounced by name is such a western hegemonic/colonialist mindset, I don't even know where to begin.

David

It’s not about fairness; it’s about submission.

It’s certainly an odd attitude to cultivate if what you want is merely fairness and civility.

With predictable modesty, the author of the drama above, Ez, claims to be “trying to leave the world in a better state than I found it.” And yet, he – sorry, they - is seemingly determined to frame any reluctance to comply with his – sorry, their - demands, however neurotic or grandiose, as an act of callousness and cruelty. As if denouncing practically everyone as “transphobic” and therefore the enemy, because they don’t care to wave their pronouns about, will somehow make the world better.

Bill de Haan

I've always found the best way to deal with the competitive victimhood types is to find an area where their victimhood mentalities conflict, and put the two caring, sharing sensitive souls in a room together to tear each other to shreds.

The most effective case to date was the (sadly fictional) white South African who decided that his self-chosen pronoun was "Massah", and that all blacks would therefore speak to him by saying "Yes, massah", and "No, massah".

I managed to get a bunch of the "it's sexist/racist/somethingist if you don't call people by their chosen pronoun" SJW types fully on board with it, before putting them in an area where some BLM types were coming in.

This led to the hilarious spectacle of self-righteous SJW types lecturing blacks that they if they didn't address a white man by his title of master, they were being racist.

When dealing with unpleasant, dishonest people, the best thing to do is pair them with other unpleasant dishonest people, and let them deal with each other.

ComputerLabRat

It’s certainly an odd attitude to cultivate if what you want is merely fairness and civility.

Aye - there's the rub.

It never was and never will be about fairness, or civility. It's about domination, power. They say the equality word but they've twisted that to mean whatever they want it to mean at any given moment, same as the racist word.

aelfheld

These 'victims' are awfully triumphalist.

Charlie Suet

There are an awful lot of people in the human race, and always will be, who just enjoy bullying others and demonstrating their power over them. All the rubbish about “punching up”, and protecting people who have always been victims is just today’s can’t. In fifty years’ time the excuse will be something else, though the sadists and bullies of tomorrow will also be on the “right side of history”.

Darleen

I used to use "cis" in conversations mockingly because it was a made-up word to label men and women.

Now it's being used as a default designation of what is 99% of humanity? No, I won't use it anymore.

Darleen

BTW - looks like another "fiber community" has succumbed to O'Sullivan's Law.

jabrwok

No, I won't use it anymore.

Just do what I do, use "normal". Both accurate AND triggering!

David

looks like another “fiber community” has succumbed to O’Sullivan’s Law.

For those unfamiliar with the world of woke knitting.

Charlie Suet

It’s interesting how many little Maolings and their water-carriers have started citing Karl Popper’s ‘Paradox of Tolerance’ as justification for their control-freakery. I don’t think they can have read much Popper, if any at all.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

I never knew knitters and nerds led such exciting lives!

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

My computer just died. 😢

Steve

I had the (probably unoriginal) thought recently that the left is under the impression that their brand of authoritarianism is better than the other guy's alleged brand of authoritarianism (e.g., Trump and others on the right being Nazis/fascists). Then I had the thought that if they're going by body count, they're right.

Daniel Ream

BTW - looks like another "fiber community" has succumbed to O'Sullivan's Law.

Oh, Jesus tap-dancing Christ:

Much of this policy was first written by a roleplaying game site, not unlike Ravelry but for RPGs, named RPG.net.

Those fucking delusional nerds have gotten over the wall.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

On the other hand, it’s a good business opportunity for someone wanting to start a site for Trump-liking, Trump-neutral, and sane knitters.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

I noticed Dicentra said British police confiscate epees. What about bokken and shinai? (Although I think the worst you could do with a leather-covered shinai is bruise someone, I suppose a naked shinai, in addition to being scandalous, could splinter.)

And does a Brit get a ticket if he’s caught running with scissors?

Daniel Ream

Musashi Myamoto famously believed bokken were more dangerous than katana and could back it up. They're heavy hardwood clubs not too dissimilar from a baseball or cricket bat, so if the rozzers confiscate those I assume they'd take your bokken too.

Assuming they don't just seize it because it looks scary.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Can they do that?

Spiny Norman

Assuming they don't just seize it because it looks scary.

Can they do that?

That's an offensive weapon, that is! [grabs shield]

PiperPaul

"Assuming they don't just seize it because it looks scary."

That's the current criteria for determining what's dangerous. It shouldn't be surprising, given that the people wanting to ban things are usually superficial in depth of intelligence to begin with.

Squires

...instructions that are faintly ludicrous, and threatening to smear them if they don’t comply, while rejecting anything but deference as the act of an enemy...

“A rider came among them, dividing them in two, saying ’permitted!’ and ‘forbidden!’ of all manner of things.”

Daniel Ream

Can they do that?

According to a ex-policeman friend of mine it's a good idea to keep a heavy hardwood baseball bat and a baseball glove in your car at all times. Don't forget the glove. If you get pulled over you can always claim it's there because you play on the weekends. Forget the glove and you can be detained and have the bat seized because you're transporting a dangerous weapon.

TimT

It's not commented on much but the Great Pronoun Battle of the left is effectively over a bunch of words never used directly in the presence of a person, and which will always be effectively limited. First person pronouns ('you', 'thou') are never sexed, and if they are to communicate - to function, effectively, as pronouns and words - you can never have too many pronouns. So why does it matter so much if they don't hear it anyway, and if they're not used as a slur? It seems to be not so much about affirming of identity as policing of speech.

lotocoti

Assuming they don't just seize it because it looks scary.
Can they do that?

I don't know, but I've been told, collecting and trading nihonto in the UK has become near impossible.
Tsujigiri would be the last thing on my mind, had I the wherewithal to acquire something interesting, but not according to Plod.
Apparently.

PiperPaul

"It seems to be not so much about affirming of identity as policing of speech"

I wonder if the so-called mainstream media will ever catch on to this.

rxc

I used to use "cis" in conversations mockingly because it was a made-up word to label men and women.

Cis and trans were appropriated from STEM. I first learned the term 50 years ago, in organic (another word misappropriated by the progressives) chemistry. It refers to the location of atoms in certain chemical compounds.

Corruption of language is an important tool for the progressives.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Gracious. What about gun collectors? What about somebody who’s a descendant of King Edward I or whomever and inherited Great-great-great-great-etc Grandpa’s sword and wanted to keep it in the family?

PiperPaul

"Corruption of language is an important tool for the progressives."

Librarians and English majors to the rescue!

OK, I'm sure it'll just be a minute...

Hopp Singg

I think "Room for cream, sir?" will make a good pronoun for me. It will give these harridans important practice in a life skill.

Daniel Ream

I sometimes muse about declaring my preferred pronouns to be some lengthy word in Welsh without any vowels, so I can feign outrageous indignation when they're mispronounced.

Wait, the Welsh are white. Well, maybe one of those sub-Saharan languages with all the clicks, then.

pst314

"What about somebody who...inherited Great-great-great-great-etc Grandpa’s sword and wanted to keep it in the family?"

That does seem to be a bit of a problem in Airstrip One:

https://www.news.com.au/technology/terry-pratchett-creates-a-sword-with-meteorites/news-story/6e2beab31cfa115128dda892af56a500

"...Pratchett has stored the sword, which he completed last year, in a secret location, apparently concerned about the [power-mad] authorities taking an interest in it."

TimT

Pronouns are confusing at the best of times. And then there's the worst of times...

What language has the largest number of pronouns?

The link identifies the language of Daghestan, which - counting all the inflections for case, etc - renders over 1000 pronouns.

Fun for the whole family!

Forbes

"Everything before yesterday is wrong"
--mantra of the PC/SJW brigades

Like the French Revolution, they want everything to start over from day one, reset the calendar, the clock, and all the agreed upon conventions of civilization--especially language and usage. And that's just for starters...

Forbes

I'm still stumped by the self-identity as "queer, trans, and non-binary."

Seems contradictory. Clearly, I'm not sufficiently woke to untangle that pretzel.

Darleen

The unpersoning continues apace.

JuliaM

@Darleen: Good grief!

" However, the college had already made the point that while Gish was perhaps not a racist she still had to pay a price for her association with the film."

The lunatics have now taken over the asylum.

Darleen

she still had to pay a price for her association with the film

Just think whatthey'll do when they discover Mel Brooks' oeuvre.

Joan

Fight Teh Patriarchy by sweating and smelling!

https://twitter.com/Slate/status/1142520633613590530

David

Fight Teh Patriarchy by sweating and smelling!

Apparently, stinky pits are a “made-up problem.” Users of, say, peak-time public transport can no doubt testify to the reality of body odour and its limited charms.

Previously in Slate.

And if the whole my-body-odour-will-topple-the-patriarchy schtick sounds familiar, you may be thinking of this lady here, among others.

Black Ball

Google Israel Folau and GoFundMe. The results may shock you Mr Thompson.

Zionist Overlord #73

@TimT
So why does it matter so much if they don't hear it anyway

Because that means you're not thinking about me just because you're talking to someone else! That's violence, you Fascist!!

On a serious note, one of the less endearing traits of narcissistic individuals is that they interpret as a personal attack the merest hint that you did not describe them exactly as they want to be described in a conversation with a third party two years ago on the other side of the world, which was related to them third-hand in half a sentence.

@Daniel Ream
Wait, the Welsh are white.
Wasn't there an article somewhere recently proving they were black?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Things to know - if you a yte and have a nice seat for a ten hour flight, and refuse to sell it to a football player who wants it, you are a racist. A racist with insulted WHITENESS, no less.

Are your collard greens problematic ?

NB: No self respecting person buys collard greens in a bag; the odds of this guy ever having eaten (let alone buying and cooking) them asymptotically approaches zero; I have no doubts that the bag had a picture of a PoC, he would have been screaming that the bag was pushing racial stereotypes. Some people live, as has been repeatedly pointed out, to find things about which to be offended.

Finally, the guy who makes cars that spontaneously combust wants us, I think, to trust his rockets with this.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

In other science news, you will be shocked to learn that Earth's nearest neighbours have turned into uninhabitable hellholes.

It seems like only yesterday they were veritable Edens, clearly conservative policies are to blame.

WTP

I saw one of those Occupy Mars T-shirts this weekend. Is this nonsense gaining momentum? Buzz Aldrin has been banging on about this for a while. Trump has spoken about it recently. Short of a radical advancement in space travel technology such that a craft can get to Mars and back inside of a month or two, this idea is a giant waste of money. No one is going to Mars on one of Elon's rockets and I see nothing remotely on the horizon design-wise let alone a POC that is up to the job. Anything short of working toward rapid improvement in space transportation technology (and I would argue even that) is a giant money suck. If Elon wants to put his own money into it, fine. Sucking money our of my pocket? No, thank you. Go away.

Daniel Ream

So, on the one hand, John Zubrin (David, I don't know how to turn that into an affiliate link for you. Feel free to edit as necessary), who's almost certainly correct that going to Mars needn't be expensive (relatively) and is within our technological capabilities.

On the other hand, Bruce Sterling, who when he's not writing space fantasies seems to have more common sense than the average bear.

Personally, I'm with Sterling. Zubrin's right about the cost and technology, but Sterling more right in that there's absolutely no reason to bother.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

No one is going to Mars on one of Elon's rockets...

Especially when he doesn't know the difference between the moon and Mars...

WTP
In the grand tradition of successful explorers, Zubrin calls for a travel-light and live-off-the-land approach to Martian settlement. He explains how scientists can use present-day technology to send humans to Mars; produce fuel and oxygen on the planet's surface with its own natural resources; build bases and settlements; and one day terraform--or alter the atmosphere of the planet in order to pave the way for sustainable life. As the landmark mission of the Mars Science Laboratory begins, Zubrin lays out a comprehensive plan to build life on a new world.

Any spacecraft needing more than a month or so of space travel has no "land" to live off of. Using present technology, for a craft fitted to support human life, it will take several months, one-way. Humans confined in a small space, living in psychologically draining conditions. But hey, if someone wants to take that on, go ahead. Just do it with your own money.

On the BOLO side, what with the 50th anniversary coming up one wonders what ol' Buzz has in store for us. I missed the 40th anniversary shenanigans, to wit (via Wiki):

To further promote space exploration, and to commemorate the 40th anniversary of the first lunar landing, Aldrin teamed up with Snoop Dogg, Quincy Jones, Talib Kweli, and Soulja Boy to create the rap single and video "Rocket Experience", proceeds from which were donated to Aldrin's non-profit foundation, ShareSpace.

Baceseras

Cis and trans were appropriated from STEM

I don't know, is Geography a STEM discipline? Cis- and trans- Alpine, Atlantic, and others, have long been familiar. I learned Geography as an adjunct of History, back when we'd never heard the STEM acronym.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I don't know, is Geography a STEM discipline?

From Latin, same side/opposite side (across, beyond), most commonly used in chemistry to describe isomers, molecules which have the same formula, but different structures, not to be confused with ortho-, meta-, and para- which describe locations on a benzene ring.

Daniel Ream

Humans confined in a small space, living in psychologically draining conditions.

One wonders how Columbus &c. ever managed.

WTP

One wonders how Columbus &c. ever managed.

What with the sea, sky, wind in their hair, familiar smells, fresh salt air, sunrise, sunset, rain, daily challenges, gravity, room to move around, more than three other people to talk to. A stop in the Canary Islands. Longest stretch of trip away from land being 5 weeks, and even then the crew was on the verge of mutiny. Yeah, same thing.

jabrwok

Going straight to Mars is probably not the best approach. The Moon is much closer, so less travel time, and has all the elemental resources needed to establish arbitrarily large habitats on its surface. Better than the Gobi as it's not bordered by hostile countries and the weather is very predictable.

Once you've got a decent-sized population on Luna, then you'll have the infrastructure to build an Orbital Ring around Earth, thereby bringing launch costs down to pennies per pound, and the tools to launch large spacecraft to anywhere you want. Might make more sense to build a bunch of O'Neill cylinders though and equip them with ion drives or solar sails. Takes longer to get anywhere, but you'd have all the "sea, sky, wind in the hair, familiar smells...etc" that you could want.

Chester Draws

most commonly used in chemistry to describe isomers

Depends what you read, though doesn't it? For most people, "most commonly" would not apply to anything much in chemistry.

I'm picking most people are much more likely to see "trans" in the sense of transatlantic than they are in 1 2-transdichloroethylene.

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The colonising Mars thing is mental. There is literally nothing on Mars that cannot be found on earth.

It can't be terraformed -- some people have watched far too much sci-fi. It has no magnetic core, so will always be bombarded with lethal radiation. It is much further from the sun than earth, so plants will grow only very fitfully at best using natural light. It has little to no water. It leaks any atmosphere into space rapidly.

If you are going to have a colony that lives inside all the time, why not just colonise Antarctica? It's far easier to get to and far less hostile to human life.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Depends what you read, though doesn't it?

Not if you are talking about cis- and trans-, at least before the Clown Quarter and SJWs co-opted the prefixes. I can't recall off hand anyone talking about driving the golden spike on a ciscontinental railroad, the crowds gathering for some early aviator's Cisatlantic flight, the division of the Palestine Mandatory into Cisjordan and Transjordan, and so on.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Depends what you read, though doesn't it?

Not if you are talking about cis- and trans-, at least before the Clown Quarter and SJWs co-opted the prefixes. I can't recall off hand anyone talking about driving the golden spike on a ciscontinental railroad, the crowds gathering for some early aviator's Cisatlantic flight, the division of the Palestine Mandatory into Cisjordan and Transjordan, and so on.

Daniel Ream

Going straight to Mars is probably not the best approach. The Moon is much closer [...] Might make more sense to build a bunch of O'Neill cylinders though and equip them with ion drives or solar sails.

I have to assume you're taking the piss.

What with the sea, sky, wind in their hair, familiar smells, fresh salt air, sunrise, sunset, rain

You have a very odd notion of what a transatlantic ocean voyage to nowhere using early Tudor-era sailing technology is like.

WTP

I didn't say it was pleasant, my point is it was natural. You have a very odd notion of what it would be like to sit in a cramped metal compartment with no one but the three other people on your trip to talk to for months on end, traveling 40 million miles through absolute nothingness, nothing really to see after the first couple of days, eating bland food, breathing the same reprocessed air, with very little real work to do. They haven't successfully performed that in a simulation container right here on earth for more than a few weeks before the dynamics fall apart.....and doing it all in a machine built by the lowest bidder on a government contract...and that's beside the even greater risks of the return flight. Planning a mission to Mars on taxpayers' money. Yeah, great. Hell, even taking this piss on it is costing us.

pst314

"...the division of the Palestine Mandatory into Cisjordan and Transjordan, and so on."

Transjordan is long gone: They were all thrown off buildings.

Baceseras

if you are talking about cis- and trans-, at least before the Clown Quarter and SJWs co-opted the prefixes  

The leftist march through the institutions of academia began by colonizing the humanities, not the sciences; so it seems more likely leftist academics "co-opted the prefixes" from History and Geography, where cis- and trans- have been in continuous use since the Classical era, for as long as Latin was the international language of scholars, and carried over into English unchanged beginning with some of the earliest published English translations of (and commentaries on) classical authors.

Of course it's possible some deconstructionists or Grievance Studiers swiped the terms magpie-fashion from a science book, if they happened to be reading one; but the terms were already known to them from texts in their own academic bailiwick, and that should be enough to weight the probability there.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

... it seems more likely leftist academics "co-opted the prefixes" from History and Geography...

There is, however, no evidence that leftists, particularly in Angry and Useless Studies where this idiocy was so recently spawned, have studied either (forget about Latin), so I would put my money on the magpie theory since at least one on their lot would have seen it in a high school chemistry or earth science class.

pst314

The terms "transvestite" and "transsexual" were in use long before the Left decided to make mascots out of all the various non-heterosexual groups. In fact, the Left originally loathed and despised them. (Sometimes, I believe, labeling them symptoms of bourgeois decadence. Can anyone tell me if my memory is correct here?)

George

Cis and trans were appropriated from STEM.

I think you'll find that they're a great deal older than that and commonly used in geographical designations to indicate whether something is on 'this' side or the 'other' side of a mountain range or river. Cisalpine Gaul, anybody? The French term for the West Bank is la Cisjordanie. Then you've got Transvaal, Transkei, etc. in South Africa...

jabrwok

What with the sea, sky, wind in their hair, familiar smells, fresh salt air, sunrise, sunset, rain

You have a very odd notion of what a transatlantic ocean voyage to nowhere using early Tudor-era sailing technology is like.

Not sure what ocean-going exploration has to do with O'Neill Cylinders in Hohmann transfer orbits between Earth and Mars. The environmental conditions inside the cylinder could match any conditions the inhabitants would like from back on Earth, including the smells, breezes, fresh air, etc.

I have to assume you're taking the piss.

Nope. Not that I'd want the government to be involved in colonizing any extraterrestrial bodies of course. Uncle Sam would just screw it up.

I was specifically talking about the technological aspect. An O'Neill cylinder can be up to four miles in diameter, so not exactly a "cramped metal compartment", and it could support tens of thousands of residents. No one in his right mind would imagine a Mars colonization journey built along the same design architecture as the Apollo missions.

As for Chester's objections, well Mars orbit has something that Antarctica doesn't: distance from Earth. Terraforming Mars would be silly, but strip mining it for the raw materials to build a few billion space habitats on the O'Neill Cylinder scale or larger would make sense. The internal weather would be whatever you wanted it to be, and the shell itself would protect from Solar radiation (which isn't as intense at Mars as here on Earth anyway).

WTP

No one in his right mind would imagine a Mars colonization journey built along the same design architecture as the Apollo missions.

Which is precisely what we’re talking about when discussing going to Mars with today’s technology. The variations on Orion’s crew compartment barely exceeds that of Apollo. Riding on one of Elon’s rockets is not a viable option. The O’Neil cylinder or whatever has not had a viable POC on a realistic scale. This is my point.

Baceseras

no evidence that leftists, particularly in Angry and Useless Studies where this idiocy was so recently spawned, have studied either [History or Geography] (forget about Latin)

Not studied, no, agreed, I wouldn't go that far; but they held positions on the faculty which meant they held degrees: to earn which they must have cracked the books at one time, even if they didn't mark and inwardly digest what was in them, only picking up terms of art to be repurposed as bafflegab.

jabrwok

Which is precisely what we’re talking about when discussing going to Mars with today’s technology.

I didn't see anything that stipulated going to Mars using only existing rocketry. I'd expect *at least* Pilgrim Observer design, which is what, 1960's tech? Hardly an Apollo crew module.

Even without O'Neill cylinder-style transfer shuttles, a string of TransHab modules would provide lots of space for the crew.

The Falcon rockets that Musk is producing would only be useful for sending modules of the inter-planetary vehicle up to NEO.

The biggest stumbling blocks to colonizing whatever and wherever we want are launch costs and politics. A Lofstrom Loop or Orbital Ring (both well within current technical capabilities apparently) would eliminate the cost problem (though the initial expense would be a challenge). The political issues are something for which I have no handy solutions:-(.

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