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June 15, 2019

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Farnsworth M Muldoon

Right. "Turbo-gay dumpster raccoon", well, that certainly makes me want to take him seriously.

it is not controversial or ideological to point this out! it is a simple fact "the family" as we now understand it is a capitalist invention, and is specifically designed to exclude queerness, which manifests unpredictably and in minority numbers

"Not controversial", OK, PhD is not in history I am guessing, and I am sure that "simple fact" will come as a surprise to all the families that existed before "capitalism" was even a thought, or all the families in all the parts of the world where it still isn't a thing.

The pro tip (as the kids say) is that if you deliberately go out of your way out to be of step in the formation, it is not the fault of the guy counting cadence.

PiperPaul

"as we now understand it"

Who's this "we", anyway? Brain-damaged, attention-seeking leftists whose main interest seems to be undermining "capitalism" and western culture?

Ian

He may be a twat, but it's understandable he's so obsessed with his sexuality, given that modern culture seems to be telling gay people that being gay is literally the most important thing about them, and when gayness serves as social currency. It's merely a form of rational self-interest in the market of exciting biological/personal characteristics such as non-whiteness, non-straightness, non-maleness, etc. And given that he looks pretty male and pretty white, you'd expect him to have to big up his gayness. Sad but inevitable.

Actually, it occurs to me that being gay problably is the most interesting thing about him, so don't be too unkind ;)

Rafi

as if you lived in the livelier parts of Yemen or Somalia, while actually living in Toronto, as Mr Oliveira does

But Toronto is only the *third* most gay-friendly city in the world. There's so much to be done. :-)

pst314

What he's really saying is "queerness is incompatible with freedom". Should we take him at his word and deprive him of his freedom? Or strip him of his citizenship and deport him? I suspect that he would not appreciate that application of his thinking.

pst314

as if you lived in the livelier parts of Yemen or Somalia

That would be all the parts.

David

Right. “Turbo-gay dumpster raccoon”, well, that certainly makes me want to take him seriously.

Given the frequency of Mr Oliveira’s tweets and articles on the subject, “queerness” is something of a preoccupation, a cartoonish affirmation of off-the-peg identity. And so, being gay becomes The Defining Attribute, as if it were some kind of personal validation. As if being gay or bisexual or whatever were some kind of accomplishment, a feat, something to applaud.

WTP

As if being gay or bisexual or whatever were some kind of accomplishment, a feat, something to applaud.

It's interesting how in just one generation, being gay went from being a pariah to some sort of an aspiration. I'm still not convinced some of these guys aren't just doing it for the chicks.

pst314

"I'm still not convinced some of these guys aren't just doing it for the chicks."

And yet there can't really be that many fag hags, can there? I would think that would still be very much a niche fetish.

Steve E

Great comment from one of Anthony's threads:

"The vast majority of gay people (I refuse to say "queers") in this country are perfectly happy to mingle with, interact with, and be part of straight society. It's only a minority who cower, terrified, in their homes and pretend they see violence and bigotry everywhere."

In my experience (limited as it is), the pride parades (again I can only speak for the Toronto parade) seem to be for the flamboyant, demonstrative extreme sub-sets of gay "culture" like drag-queens, leather lovers, rubber lovers, bears, etc. My gay friends complain that pride parades are "too gay" for them.

David

My gay friends complain that pride parades are “too gay” for them.

I was thinking of the words cartoonish, alienating and degenerate. But yes.

Steve E

But yes.

Those weren't scare quotes around "too gay". They were what my friends actually said.

Cartoonish, alienating and degerate are far more descriptive and better capture the zeitgeist that surrounds the pride parade. I defer to your superior wordsmanship (wordspersonship?).

Daniel Ream

as if you lived in the livelier parts of Yemen or Somalia

That would be all the parts.

It's a significant number of parts of Toronto, and for the same reason.

David

They were what my friends actually said.

They’re certainly not alone. This item here, on San Francisco’s militant gay nudists, doesn’t seem entirely unrelated.

Pogonip

Yes, all the gay people I know think the pride parade brings out the lunatic fringe and want nothing to do with it.

Darleen

Well, in a way he's right that capitalism may be incompatible with a certain segment of the "queer" wokies.

Capitalism is a system built on voluntary trade. Consent, mind you, from all parties involved in any particular transaction.

Woke folk refuse to let you opt out of whatever new shiny wokeness comes to their attention. You either submit or put yourself at risk of doxxing, losing your job, losing your business, having your family harassed, etc.

Darleen

the flamboyant, demonstrative extreme sub-sets of gay "culture" like drag-queens,

A sub-set that some parents are eager to expose to their kids to signal their own woke virtue.

Steve E

This item here, on San Francisco’s militant gay nudists, doesn’t seem entirely unrelated.

Yes. The perpetrators of these acts, these parades claim they are done in protest, or celebration, or self-expression. It seems to me these are mostly fetishist acts of passive-aggressive, dominance behaviour. You will look at me and you will like it. If you don't like it, you are an unenlightened trogolodite.

Bill de Haan

My gay friends complain that pride parades are "too gay" for them.

Obligatory reference to class Onion article: Gay-Pride Parade Sets Mainstream Acceptance Of Gays Back 50 Years

Ken Mitchell

Apple CEO Tim Cook has remarked that he thanks God every day for his sexuality. One investor in Apple stock blogged that Cook " .... isn't keeping his eyes on the balls the company OUGHT to be keeping his eyes on.. "

David

fetishist acts of passive-aggressive, dominance behaviour

Just being fabulous, apparently. Because nothing says “I deserve respect” quite like humping a police car.

According to Mr Oliveira, they’re “confronting the icons of the violent police state.”

Observer

if it’s still your primary identity badge

It's like Ph.D.'s who throw a fit if you don't call them "Doctor", because getting a Ph.D. is the only significant thing that they've done with their lives.

Pogonip

Bizarre & NSFW:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/transgender-woman-13000-inflatable-boobs-16477278

What people won’t do to get their 15 minutes of fame. 😳

pst314

Bizarre & NSFW...inflatable boobs

She looks more like a parody of a woman than a real woman. Is that true of most transgenders, or only the whores and publicity freaks?

Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

My gay friends complain that pride parades are “too gay” for them.

The gay friend I have who talks openly about pride parades says he has nothing to do with it because the parades have been taken over by the standard-issue hard-left stuff.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Lemme just throw a little gas on the fire...

Sonny Wayz

Sad to think that Billy Joel had Oliveira nailed in the mid 70s. From 'Angry Young Man':

"His honor is pure, and his courage as well
he's fair and he's true, and he's boring as hell
And he'll go to his grave as an angry old man."

Forbes

Being gay has become like CrossFit practitioners, in that its a surprise when they don't blab about it. And apparently, being gay means other people are just as interested as you are with what you do with your genitals in your private moments.

I know, it's probably shocking, but gay or hetero, I'm not interested in your sexuality or your sexual exploits.

Then again, self-centered, self-absorbed "look at me" narcissism is the flavor of the month century.

Jay  Guevara

Wait - Anthony Oliveira talks about queerness? Shouldn't he be talking about mariconness?

Jay  Guevara

It's like Ph.D.'s who throw a fit if you don't call them "Doctor", because getting a Ph.D. is the only significant thing that they've done with their lives.

No one with a Ph.D. in a serious subject does that. Only the terminally (and justifiably) insecure throw a fit. Largely because getting a Ph.D. in some bogus intellectual sandbox subject is not a significant thing, and they know it.

Steve E

What people won’t do to get their 15 minutes of fame.

Okay so each boob can inflate to 5,000 cc's of saline solution, which equals roughly 11 pounds* per boob or 22 pounds in total of extra weight "she's" carrying on her chest. We don't know if the implants are under the muscle or over the muscle. If they're over the muscle then that weight is being held up by little more than skin. "She" has them pumped up to 4,000 cc's which is 17.6 pounds total boob weight.

I don't want to see her chiropractor and massage therapist bills.

*That's the weight of just water. Saline is heavier than water.

Darleen

Related ... and a template to hit back at the Maoist Universities.

Oh... and when you get to this one, keep in mind that tuition, alone, at Oberlin is $56,000 per year.

WTP

Largely because getting a Ph.D. in some bogus intellectual sandbox subject is not a significant thing, and they know it.

Well that and that being the reason they got that PhD in such a useless subject in the first place. They didn't waste time and money on bogus intellectual sandbox studies because they really, truly were intellectually curious about every fold and crevasse of the bogus intellectual sandbox subject. It was simply the path of least resistance to "look at me, I'm smart"

WTP

What people won’t do to get their 15 minutes of fame.

Well TBF, let's keep in mind that these are the characters that were portrayed as "cool" in the sci-fi flics of the 70's and 80's. Not that I think we should be fair.

Pogonip

You know, Darleen, as I read those tweets, I kept wondering why anybody would want to pay $70K a year, or anything at all, to live like that.

Pogonip

The monsoons proceed apace. We’re starting to feel like those guys in that Ray Bradbury story about the planet where it rains all the time. 🗼

David

Joe lives in Brooklyn.

David

“The vast majority of gay people (I refuse to say “queers”) in this country are perfectly happy to mingle with, interact with, and be part of straight society.”

And conversely, the prospect of attending a Pride event - and being surrounded by the kinds of people who attend Pride events and then bang on about them - is faintly revolting. I can think of little that would be more tiresome and alienating.

David

Pretentious hysteria:

Via Dicentra.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

We don't know if the implants are under the muscle or over the muscle.

Over, if they were under, they wouldn't look like balloons particularly at the humeral insertion, and stretching the pectorals like that would render his arms pretty useless.

Joe lives in Brooklyn.

Just say Patel, you won't be wrong = does Joe have a point he is trying make ?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It may be me, but something about this banner seems a tad off.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

For a change of pace, what the best in contemporary dance is all about. It is art, whether you click is up to you and how much you want to become enlightened.

Zionist Overlord #73

Re: Pronouns
Can't help but share this brilliant moment from a Star Wars (Rogue One) review video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsDtND60qB8&feature=youtu.be&t=2054

Geoff

Oh... and when you get to this one, keep in mind that tuition, alone, at Oberlin is $56,000 per year.

That whole thread is shocking.

Does Joe have a point he is trying to make?

Want to make white people squirm? Ask them to name a single famous Indian person. Wait for them to say "Gandhi." Smile, spread your fingers, and say, "Okay, okay, fine. You got me. Now, name *another* one." Then watch them squirm.

Is this how SWPL's in their enclaves establish dominance hierarchies among each other? Or is it the way they treat their dads when they go back to Ohio for Thanksgiving? Or has Joe invented the story, with its stage directions for the triumphant and submissive postures of the winner and loser, because he imagines it makes him look clever - it certainly reveals a lot about him.

We're supposed to be embarrassed about the fact that Americans can't recognize a Bollywood star, while Indians are familiar with white icons like Michael Jackson and Kim Kardashian (Wait a sec, aren't the Kardashians famous Indians? Only joking). And we're supposed to believe that this isn't just because Californian TV is the most popular in the world, but because whites are less intellectually curious and more ethnocentric than Indians.

Pogonip

V. S. Ramachandran. Rabindranath Tagore.

Go away, Joe. The grownups are trying to talk.

David

Is this how SWPLs in their enclaves establish dominance hierarchies among each other? Or is it the way they treat their dads when they go back to Ohio for Thanksgiving? Or has Joe invented the story, with its stage directions for the triumphant and submissive postures of the winner and loser, because he imagines it makes him look clever - it certainly reveals a lot about him.

Heh. That.

Pogonip

Can’t imagine why David doesn’t want to be seen with these people:

https://abcnews.go.com/

Pogonip

More psychos:

https://mobile.twitter.com/masondemaistre/status/1139996013232394240

The Lord must love crazy people, he sure made a lot of them.

David

Can’t imagine why David doesn’t want to be seen with these people

Um, which people?

Pogonip

I see the link doesn’t work, sorry. No problem, another crazy-people story will probably be along in a few minutes. 🙄

David

I see the link doesn’t work, sorry.

Ah, I’m guessing you mean these people. Well, yes, quite.

If someone thinks a good way to spend the day is to strip naked, smear themselves with paint and wander through Times Square, brandishing inane or delusional slogans, all in the name of woke piety, and amid a cloud of self-congratulation… then, like most people I know, I’d assume they’re a narcissistic wanker and best avoided.

The narcissistic wankery, the insufferable woke neediness, being the issue.

pst314

Well TBF, let's keep in mind that these are the characters that were portrayed as "cool" in the sci-fi flics of the 70's and 80's.

What flicks were those? I cannot remember any such.

pst314

...except, I suppose, Rocky Horror with a murderous transvestite as the hero.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Ah, I’m guessing you mean these people. Well, yes, quite.

Walsh, who uses a wheelchair, said body painting disrupts the way people think about "whose bodies are valuable".

OTOH, it could reinforce people's thinking about "not you lot", as this guy with the right idea does.

...narcissistic wanker...

Collective thought bubble for photo 6 from the link...

David

OTOH, it could reinforce people’s thinking about “not you lot”, as this guy with the right idea does.

I’d foolishly assumed it was against the law for grown men to expose themselves in front of other people’s children.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I’d foolishly assumed it was against the law for grown men to expose themselves in front of other people’s children.

Only if it is for self gratification, this is art, man, important, stunning, powerful, and brave Art with a capital A.

David

For some reason, the phrase pepper spray to the genitals came to mind.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

For some reason, the phrase pepper spray to the genitals came to mind.

Oh, right, you're the type of guy who would take a hammer to The Pieta or spray paint to the Mona Lisa. Philistine.

Darleen

Walsh, who uses a wheelchair, said body painting disrupts the way people think about "whose bodies are valuable".

I don't know exactly when the phrase "[X] bodies" crept into SJW language, but it is damned annoying.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I don't know exactly when the phrase "[X] bodies" crept into SJW language, but it is damned annoying.

Second the motion. For a group who is constantly crying and blowing snot about "marginalization", "dehumanization", and similar nonsense, calling people "bodies", as if they were some commodity like sacks of feed corn or bricks, rather than individual people seems rather regressive - or Soviet, which may be the intent, in which case, mission accomplished.

Steve E

I’m guessing you mean these people.

The green guy in the picture; I always wondered what happened to Igor from the Hilarious House of Frightenstein.

Pogonip

Hi David,

ABC took down the original story I linked to, but, as I suspected, it didn’t take long to find some more loons!

Pogonip

Also, I just saw a comment on Youtube that the musical Mongol horde had their song subtitles mistranslated; commenter says song is actually about leopards and makes no mention of wolves. With this invalidation of spotted bodies, the SJWs have gone too far!

Pogonip

I think the “[X] bodies” sin can be laid at the feet of one Tanehisi Coats (don’t quote me on the spelling) who got very rich off it and thus inspired a, er, horde of hopeful copycats. 🙄

bgates

Want to make white people squirm? Ask them to name a single famous Indian person.

Elizabeth Warren.

Pogonip

Hee hee hee hee hee 😄

David Longfellow

Queerness may not be compatible with capitalism, but evidently it is compatible with stupidity.

Pogonip

Hee hee etc

Richard Powell

Want to make white people squirm? Ask them to name a single famous Indian person. Wait for them to say "Gandhi." Smile, spread your fingers, and say, "Okay, okay, fine. You got me. Now, name *another* one." Then watch them squirm.

This isn't quite the gotcha Joe imagines. There are at least four other Gandhis who qualify as famous - Indira, Rajiv, Sanjay and Sonia - so one can just keep on saying "Gandhi" for the first few minutes of the smug interrogation. One might then move on to "Vaz" which should serve to close down the conversation.

Hippogryph

On pride parades, David was saying, "I was thinking of the words cartoonish, alienating and degenerate. But yes."

There's quite a gulf between "gay pride", on the one hand, and gay dignity on the other.

I think the latter has done far more for the appropriate social acceptance of homosexuality than the former. But radicals will not soon be celebrating mere bourgeois decency, from homosexuals or anyone else.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

This isn't quite the gotcha Joe imagines.

Better still, if Joe wants another after Gandhi, say Jinnah, who technically was an Indian having been born and raised in British India prior to the partition - not that I would expect Joe to know anything about that.

pst314

Incoming!
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/333468/

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I am literally shaking right now.

Pogonip

Well, NOW they tell me!

pst314

"lesbians don't have penises"

That's why they buy those rubber toys.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"lesbians don't have penises"

Never get caught in some gang's terf war...

Meanwhile, just in time for pride month, sheeeee's baaaaaaaaaaaack !

pst314

some gang's terf war

I'm stealing that.

bgates

More than ten hours later...

pepper spray to the genitals <== band name.

You people are slipping.

I saw Pepper Spray to the Genitals open for Lesbians Don't Have Penises on the Make White People Squirm tour in 2014.

Daniel Ream

We're supposed to be embarrassed about the fact that Americans can't recognize a Bollywood star

The current CEOs of Microsoft and Google are Indian. If he gets anyone in tech he'll be doubly embarassed.

Chester Draws

Wait for them to say "Gandhi." Smile, spread your fingers, and say, "Okay, okay, fine. You got me. Now, name *another* one."

Gandhi, Indira.

Gandhi, Rajiv.

Nehru -- Indira Gandhi's dad.

Gandhi, Sonia. Does that one count?

Hey, I can't help it that Indian politics is like that! How far back are we allowed to go? Does Buddha count?

Jahangir Khan -- cricketer

Jahangir Khan -- squash player

Jahangir -- khan.

There's a certain ease to this game! It's pretty much all two or three for one.

Angus

As Mr Newman pointed out, the famous Indian trick doesn’t work with anyone remotely familiar with cricket. I think I got to 10 without breaking a sweat or relying on Gandhi and his family.

Daniel Ream

I'm suddenly reminded of a mate in second-year engineering who, after a particularly devastating calculus midterm, was maintaining a list of mathematicans he would go back in time and kill if time travel were ever invented. Number Two on the list was "Mr. Cartesian".

David

but it’s understandable he’s so obsessed with his sexuality, given that modern culture seems to be telling gay people that being gay is literally the most important thing about them,

It is rather conformist, a predictable trajectory. Though to make being gay the basis of one’s identity and career, as if it were a credential, and the filter through which almost everything is viewed – “a queer scholar, analysing and remixing pop culture, politics, and literature” - seems a tad monomaniacal, and neotenous. Again, a fixation with identity politics - and with it, a pantomime of victimhood - doesn’t seem to be something that will age well.

And if, as a grown man, you’re writing with bewildering earnestness about how Buffy the Vampire Slayer saved your life, then the word neotenous doesn’t seem unfair.

Zionist Overlord #73

"Ask them to name a single famous Indian person...."

Rudyard Kipling.

Oh, being born in India doesn't automatically make you an Indian? How interesting!
The follow the ramifications of that claim, and watch them squirm. :)

Andrew Scriveley

Total demolition of the hatter's theme:

- Giorgio Armani

QED

David

Giorgio Armani

The list of gay millionaires and billionaires would be fairly extensive and, needless to say, there are plenty of gay people who are doing just fine despite the alleged evils of the “capitalist power structure.” (I use the word despite with just a hint of irony.)

Mr Oliveira admits that “some queers CAN achieve wealth, but they do so at a permanent and reinstantiated handicap,” by which he means, I think, that successful gay people tend not to have children, and specifically gay children, to whom they leave “accumulated resources.” Why this should be denounced as a uniquely capitalist conspiracy, some supposedly wilful oppression, as opposed to a function of not reproducing, I’m not entirely sure. One might just as well argue that, on account of rarely having children to finance and worry about, gay people are less oppressed and more free to spend their earnings on themselves and their own interests, rather than with an eye to posterity, inheritance and future generations.

Yet the above is presented as justifying “a complete system overhaul.” I.e., the toppling of capitalism. Freed from which, apparently, we’ll all have lots of wealth, somehow, in ways never specified. And puppies will smell of candy floss.

fnord

And if, as a grown man, you’re writing with bewildering earnestness about how Buffy the Vampire Slayer saved your life, then the word neotenous doesn’t seem unfair.

Indeed. Although in this case you're asking a single word to bear more responsibility than is reasonable.

pst314

The physicist Chandrasekhar

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Nikki Haley - that would freak Joe out.

Connor

Mr Oliveira admits that “some queers CAN achieve wealth, but they do so at a permanent and reinstantiated handicap,”

Sounds like someone's pissed off at getting in debt for a PhD in literature.

Lancastrian Oik

Spike Milligan, b. Ahmednagar 16/4/18

Here is his touching tribute to the sub-continent.*

*Some of our American friends may struggle with this. I'm afraid that there is no easy explanation.

Steve E

An interesting perspective...

"Wonderful as this is in many ways, today's openness isn't without consequences," he warned. "If nearly any progressively minded person can find some way to identify as queer, what, exactly, does the term even mean? When I hear about fluidity in that context, it sounds like something made to wash away gay history — my history — drowning it in inclusiveness to broaden its clout."

Slate contributor Jim Farber

Tyrone Slothrop

Correct me if I'm wrong, but is Mr. Oliveira making a case for banning queerness?

Daniel Ream

you’re writing with bewildering earnestness about how Buffy the Vampire Slayer saved your life

The whole thing's a roman a clef for Marti Noxon's extramarital affair with Joss Whedon[1], not exactly something one thinks of as particularly empowering given how it ended.


[1] Although, in all fairness, so is everything Noxon writes

Henry

I'm not sure what the word queer just means "gay" any more. Or does it? Alas, I haven't done my homework on these crucial sub-definitions - which I suspect have been deliberately screwed around with just to confuse me, and necessitate a very severe scolding.

Perhaps the Everyday Feminism site archives can help me out! Ah, here we go...

"Queerness exists for us as an ideality that can be distilled from the past and used to imagine a future. The future is queerness’s domain"

"What is sex anyway? ... Can we ever truly know?"

"There’s So Much Erasure* of People of Color, Gender Nonconforming, Non-Binary, and Other People In “Gay” and “Queer” Spaces" (are we still doing classic sentences?)

A naive observer might think they're being deliberately meaningless.

*Erasure - a fine band. I think they might have been queer or gay or something

Farnsworth M Muldoon

A naive observer might think they're being deliberately meaningless.

An easy way to avoid ever being proved wrong...

Rob

"queer people are permanently disadvantaged and marginalised by the capitalist power structure"

Despite being one of the richest demographics in that "power structure" (why? Hint - count the number of children).

Charles Calthrop

The Lord must love crazy people, he sure made a lot of them

I fell down a rabbit hole following that link and came across a spectacular essay https://parallaxoptics.wordpress.com/2018/11/12/on-woke-capital/

Money quote: “White men are the most competent people on the planet, but their independence and consumer spend profile makes them tricky to extract maximum value out of. So, what if we could have the competence of a white man, with the herd-mindset and profligate spending of a woman? Tada! I bring you the gay Pride movement.”

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