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September 19, 2019

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Mags

without telling parents,

Naturally.

David

Naturally.

Again, it’s the casual, habitual arrogance.

jones

If, incidentally, they want children to have the vote from any age then why not ask them?

David

Somewhat related:

They demand that we say and believe things which we cannot [honestly] say or believe.

Douglas Murray on the deranging effects of wokeness.

Rob

The school didn’t inform parents of this sudden end to an age-old custom, as if there were nothing to discuss

So they acted as Progressives, like the author of the piece, have done to everyone else for the past two decades.

Funny how "age-old customs" become important again when it suits you, eh?

Tom

Girls told their parents mortifying stories of having a boy kick open their stall door. Boys described being afraid to use the urinals.

This is head\desk stuff. I've written and deleted a paragraph that even I feel went too far, and I consider myself fairly reactionary about this kind of thing.

Stick a fork in folks, we're done I think.

It was a quiet plea to be left alone.

The proper response can be found in the words of that great philosopher Mike Tyson, "Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face." Indeed Mike, indeed. Fewer quiet pleas and more punched faces and this stuff will dry up and blow away.

Connor

Thanks for the Douglas Murray video, David. Very apt.

David
Prosperity did not depend on slavery. The United States and the United Kingdom and the rest would have become just as rich without the 250 years of unrequited toil. They have remained rich, observe, even after the peculiar institution was abolished, because their riches did not depend on its sinfulness… To cast enslavement of some as requisite for the wealth of others is bad economics and bad history. But it is also a toxic ideology.

Deirdre McCloskey on slavery and wealth.

Burnsie

New Yorkers have twice elected a Marxist mayor whose signature "applause" line is:

"There's plenty of money in the world; it's just in the wrong hands."

So with this situation and so many others, New Yorkers are merely getting what they voted for, good and hard.

David

without telling parents,

We’ve been here before, of course:

Parents only discovered the campaign – which asserts that white pupils are complicit in an “invisible system of privilege” - when their children began complaining about it.

In a saner world, these creatures would be chased out of town.

Jerry

I don't know where Packer leaves off with the humblebragging and imaginative flourishes. His daughter so immersed in the Broadway Hamilton that she's surprised to find out that the founding fathers were white; the son a member of a multiracial troupe of cheeky ragamuffins, so much more perky and relatable than those snobbish private school WASPs.

My wife and I are products of public schools

He's not the product of public schools. He's the son of a Stanford professor, so his intellectual talent was inherited and cultivated at home by access to books and discussion and role models. How representative are the kinds of public schools that college professors send their children to? And Packer was born in 1960, so there's a good chance that his family's egalitarian principles weren't put to the test by California's serious attempt to implement busing in the late 1970's.

There's nothing novel or appealing about a radical chic intellectual snob hypocrite admitting that he is what he is. It's like a conversation from Annie Hall. Will the kids turn out alright? I don't care, not that I hold it against them that they're the children of their father.

What I do find interesting is the power that teachers and school administrators have even over upper class Manhattanite parents. Packer is a member of an intellectual elite, a person of authority and status and life experience. He should be able to tell his daughter's grade school teachers that yes his wants her to be informed about how reading, writing and arithmetic are racist but by the way he also wants her to be taught the 3R's.

His dad the professor wouldn't have let himself be bullied by some mere vice principal. But now it seems that public school officials are taking full advantage of the power they have, or are perceived by parents to have, over the life outcomes of upper middle class children. A bad report, an assignment to a more vibrant high school, and a fall to the level of the proles - "far below they see a dim world of processed food, obesity, divorce, addiction, online-education scams, stagnant wages, outsourcing, rising morbidity rates".

Rob

But now it seems that public school officials are taking full advantage of the power they have, or are perceived by parents to have, over the life outcomes of upper middle class children. A bad report, an assignment to a more vibrant high school, and a fall to the level of the proles.

Packer would have been an enthusiastic supporter of this power.

Sam Duncan

“The school didn’t inform parents of this sudden end to an age-old custom, as if there were nothing to discuss”

Which would have been much less likely to happen if the parents had been customers instead of supplicants. Even if the school had, like certain other businesses we could mention, decided to appeal to the “woke” market, the management would have told people.

I know education is one field where even conservatives and some libertarians are prepared to concede state provision, but it's way, way too important to leave to the government. Tax-funded assistance to pay for it up to a certain level, maybe, but there has to be a free market.

“As children, they didn’t think to challenge the new adult rules, the new adult ideas of justice. Instead, they found a way around this difficulty that the grown-ups had introduced into their lives.”

Damn kids, thinking for themselves. They'll have to have that taught out of 'em.

Skylar

My wife and I are products of public schools. Whatever torments they inflicted on our younger selves, we believed in them.

Packer is a 1978 graduate of Gunn High School in Palo Alto, a veritable blackboard jungle where the children of Stanford professors torment the children of electronic engineers with calculus questions.

The school is currently 45% Asian, 38% white, and 1% black. It was probably blonder, more like Fast Times at Ridgemont High, more characterized by James Spader or Sean Penn types, when Packer was there. And the percentage of blacks was probably a number less than 1.

From the bubble of Palo Alto to the bubble of Manhattan, Packer is surely qualified to teach the rest of us about his principled belief in public schools in all their diversity and vibrancy.

Pst314

”without telling parents”

They are entitled to impose their wishes upon the parents and children because of “academic freedom”...at least that is what one leftist schoolteacher told me.

David

a veritable blackboard jungle where the children of Stanford professors torment the children of electronic engineers with calculus questions.

Heh.

John Square

From The Atlantic link

But there was something else—another claim on us. The current phrase for it is social justice. I’d rather use the word democracy, because it conveys the idea of equality and the need for a common life among citizens.

Well, I cannot think of something further away from democracy than social justice, especially as it is practiced in the article.
The whole sentence is so dumb, I wonder if he really read it back after typing it out. I feel it got nodded through as a stream of warm sounding, right thinking pablum. Kind of like a woke 'Um' or 'Errrr' whilst he gathers his actual thoughts.

David

I cannot think of something further away from democracy than social justice, especially as it is practiced in the article.

And distant from justice.

Daniel Ream

Douglas Murray on the deranging effects of wokeness.

Evergreen Dalrymple:

“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is...in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

New Yorkers have twice elected a Marxist mayor whose signature "applause" line is "There's plenty of money in the world; it's just in the wrong hands." So with this situation and so many others, New Yorkers are merely getting what they voted for, good and hard.

Evergreen Rorschach:

The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout "Save us!"... and I'll look down and whisper "No." They had a choice, all of them. They could have followed in the footsteps of good men like my father or President Truman. Decent men who believed in a day's work for a day's pay. Instead they followed the droppings of lechers and communists and didn't realize that the trail led over a precipice until it was too late. Don't tell me they didn't have a choice. Now the whole world stands on the brink, staring down into bloody Hell, all those liberals and intellectuals and smooth-talkers... and all of a sudden nobody can think of anything to say.
David

Meanwhile, in the Guardian.

David

Desirable ladies.

Sam Duncan

“Well, I cannot think of something further away from democracy than social justice, especially as it is practiced in the article.”

My own take bears repeating, I think: Justice, unqualified, holds you responsible for your actions. “Social justice” holds you responsible for the actions of others, whom you may never have met and could be long dead, regardless of your own. It's the opposite of justice.

Democracy? Maybe. Depends what you mean by it. I'm similarly suspicious of that, or at least of those who fetishize electoral (or any kind of) majoritarianism and call it “democracy”. If democracy is rule by the people, why are its worshippers never happy to leave the people alone to rule themselves? Even Keynes, hardly a free-market fundamentalist, said that the most powerful vote you can give anyone is a Pound in his pocket.

Monty James

“The parents in the other camp argued that gender labels — and not just on the bathroom doors — led to bullying and that the real problem was the patriarchy. One called for the elimination of urinals.”

"Patriarchy". Give me strength. If there were an actual patriarchy in place this silly crap wouldn't be going on. Female emancipation was a mistake.

pst314

Female emancipation was a mistake.

Leftist emancipation was a mistake.

 a different james

Desirable ladies.

Fashionable evil.

WTP

Female emancipation was a mistake.

Think about it. Even the most extreme opponents of female emancipation, barely 100 years ago, would not have had the nerve to predict what is going on today as one of the consequences. And I'm sure those opponents were mocked and ridiculed enough for the milder things they did say. Hmmm...let's see what I can find from the opposition back then...

I do not believe that women are better than men. We have not wrecked railroads, nor corrupted legislature, nor done many unholy things that men have done; but then we must remember that we have not had the chance. Jane Addams

Well, this is going to take more time than I thought but here's a current timeslice from Wiki on the subject. I bolded some parts I found interesting. Not that I agree 100% with all of the bolded parts, some even the opposite, but...well, like I said...interesting.

Anti-suffragists, such as Josephine Dodge, argued that giving women the right to vote would overburden them and undermine their privileged status.[52] They saw participation in the private sphere as essential to a woman's role and thought that giving them public duties would prevent them from fulfilling their primary responsibilities in the home. Anti-suffragists claimed that they represented the "silent majority" of America who did not want to enter the public sphere by gaining the right to vote.[71] Being against women's suffrage didn't mean, however, that all Antis were against civic pursuits.[72] Jeanette L. Gilder, a journalist, wrote "Give women everything she wants, but not the ballot. Open every field of learning, every avenue of industry to her, but keep her out of politics."[73] Dodge encouraged women to become involved in "charitable, philanthropic and educational activities."[72] It was also cited that women had made reforms such as raising the age of consent without the vote and that gaining this right was therefore unnecessary and could even be harmful to further reform movements.[74] The thought was that women were able to influence the government because they were seen as politically neutral and non-partisan and giving them the right to vote would strip them of this unique position.[75] In addition, because voting is "only a small part of government," they believed there was no need to vote in order to participate in politics.[70] This particular line of reasoning, that women should stay out of politics, kept the General Federation of Women's Clubs (GFWC) from officially endorsing suffrage until 1914.[76]

Anti-suffragism was not limited to conservative elements. The anarchist Emma Goldman opposed suffragism on the grounds that women were more inclined toward legal enforcement of morality (as in the Women's Christian Temperance Union), that it was a diversion from more important struggles, and that suffrage would ultimately not make a difference. She also said that activists ought to advocate revolution rather than seek greater privileges within an inherently unjust system.[77] Anti-suffragists saw women's efforts to gain the vote to be all surface dressing with a lack of serious intent to change the world for the better.[78] Other Antis believed that social reform was better accomplished through trade unions and non-partisan groups.[78] Progressives criticized suffrage in the Utah Territory as a cynical Mormon ploy, resulting in the passage of the Edmunds-Tucker Act.[citation needed]

The anti-suffrage movement began to change in its position against suffrage in 1917, expanding their scope to include anti-radical rhetoric.[2] The anti-suffrage movement focused less on the issue of suffrage and began to spread fear of radical ideas and to use "conspiratorial paranoia."[79] Suffragists were accused of subversion of the government and treason.[80] They were also accused of being socialists, "Bolsheviks" or "unpatriotic German sympathizers."[80] The Texas branch of the NAOWS accused women's suffrage groups of being linked to "socialism, anarchy and Mormonism."[81] Accusations of being associated with unpopular radical movements was named after the second president of NAOWS, Alice Wadsworth, and called "Wadsworthy" attacks.[82] In addition to associating suffrage with radicalism, the antis also felt that they were oppressed and had lost much perceived political power by 1917.


fnord

Democracy is 50.1% of the population getting up in the morning and then pissing in the cornflakes of the other 49.9%

Governor Squid

I'm not sure why George Packer is so worked up about his kids' schooling. Those kids have parents who are active and involved in their lives, and invested in their success, so they're all but guaranteed to be successful regardless of their school. Throw in Packer's reputation and status among his peers, and the kids are pretty much guaranteed to have an open door into whatever career they choose.

Honestly, if he was really worried about his kids, he'd simply move away from the Rotten Apple and raise his kids someplace with trees and Little League and decent schools. But then he'd miss out on the cocktail parties and gallery openings, so I suppose that's a non-starter.

Governor Squid

Also, as a rule, those who wring their hands over the "achievement gap" should show a willingness to come down hard on every little urchin who torments has classmates for the crime of "acting white." If you lack the spine to follow through on the latter, I'm not inclined to take you seriously about the former.

pst314

Female emancipation was a mistake.

I know and have known an awful lot of male idiot leftists.

Pst314

unpatriotic German sympathizers.

Sabotage by German immigrants and imperial German agents was frequent.

Monty James

pst314, I might have used a pinch too much hyperbole with my female emancipation remark.

WTP

I might have used a pinch too much hyperbole with my female emancipation remark.

Oh, sure. Leave me hanging. I'll remember this.

But seriously, this is really just a reflection as to how the Founders and similar men of their day felt about democracy in general. Universal suffrage was known to have these flaws. Yet men voted for it. At least it didn't originate in the courts. Yet at the same time, government must submit to the will of the governed in some manner. There must be some sort of checks on power without submitting to mob (clown) rule.

Pst314

Only a pinch, Monty. It does seem as if women are a bit more inclined towards totalitarian socialist systems.

Darleen

"What are witnessing is not the imminent extinction of the planet. It is the extinction of reason."

Darleen

^^^oops...wrong thread.

Monty James

"What are witnessing is not the imminent extinction of the planet. It is the extinction of reason."

Posted by: Darleen | September 20, 2019 at 16:37

^^^oops...wrong thread.

Posted by: Darleen | September 20, 2019 at 16:39

Is it? I thought it fit quite nicely.

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