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October 12, 2019

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Darleen
"It was wrong for that clerk to shot my brother in the chest. Yes, 'he was robbin' us', OH WELL."

Tribal values v Bourgeois values

pst314

I suspect the staff and customers being menaced at gunpoint weren’t too thrilled to find themselves being preyed upon, for the fourth time this year, by armed criminal vermin.

Let's say it out loud: the dead criminal's relatives are also vermin.

David

Tribal values v Bourgeois values

Presumably, Dear Sister believes that those being robbed, threatened at gunpoint and preyed upon repeatedly should simply acquiesce, thereby encouraging more and bolder predation and endangering more innocent people. Or, to quote our Philosopher Queen, “Yes, he’s robbin’ y’all. OH WELL.”

The Phantom

David, hadn't you heard? Criminals are a protected class now. We, the privileged, are not allowed to defend ourselves against them, the under-privileged. It is what they call "a done deal."

The ideal state of affairs for those concerned with modern governance is Hong Kong. A large, disarmed population dependent on government services for electricity, water, transportation and sanitary sewers. Millions of drones busily beavering away, making money for the Great and Good. Their masters, as it were.

This state of affairs is greatly desired by many, because it is very difficult for the drones to rise up and smite down their masters.

Tyrannical governments of course always seem to forget how clever and industrious the little drones are. A whole city full of motivated humans can accomplish much.

JuliaM

That video...! Does it come with subtitles? Because she can't be saying what it seems she's saying?

MikeM_inMD

I'm pissed at WHIO TV 7 for their statement early in the clip that they are trying to learn the identity of the clerk who shot the robber. They should leave him alone -- he did nothing illegal. Let him be so he can process this trauma without public intrusion.

pst314

I'm pissed at WHIO TV 7 for their statement early in the clip that they are trying to learn the identity of the clerk who shot the robber.

Maybe it would be fair to return the favor and publicize the identities of the leftists at WHIO TV 7.

David

If anyone has trouble with comments not appearing, email me and I’ll tickle the spam filter.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It was wrong for that clerk to shoot my brother in the chest...He got some responsibility but not all...

“The deceased ["...the second of 10 siblings killed by gunfire..."] did have a pending weapons charge that was waiting to move forward,” he said. “Right now we are looking into the possibility of this individual may have been involved in several other commercial robberies.”

Truly both a mystery as to how this could have happened, and a grave injustice.

Dennis

I’m a bit surprised she said “They shoulda called the cops!” Would the family prefer a white police officer shot their brother? They would’ve had more vermin supporters if it had been a cop.

David

David, hadn’t you heard? Criminals are a protected class now.

In some quarters, they do seem to attract an inordinate amount of sympathy and endless excuses. As noted yesterday, if you can’t confidently assert the morally obvious – that the lives and wellbeing of the law-abiding are much more important than the lives and wellbeing of the creatures who prey on them habitually, even recreationally – if you can’t count on some kind of consensus – then shit will happen, and tend to escalate. But concerns about law and order are often seen as proletarian and low status, as populist or rather common, and so our betters prefer to concern themselves with higher-status issues, not least the wellbeing of the predators.

See, for instance, the third item here.

Xc

Best line in a great series, Justified, from the Marshall: I shot him back before he was gonna shoot me first.

-XC

David

Not entirely unrelated.

Michael McCallion Sr.

I am reminded of the 'grab & run' thief a few years back on Spadina Street in downtown Toronto; the shopping area for many of Chinese ancestry Citizns. This 'grab & run' thief was caught by one specific Store Owner and with the assistance of neighbouring Store Owners placed the "grab & run" thief in the back of a Van to secure the individual until the Toronto Police to arrive.___ The Police charged the Store Owner for capturing the thief and confinement. ___ Please remember this occurred under the special watch-over of the Liberal Party of Canada's -- Branch Governance of the Liberal Party of Canada's satellite operating as the Ontario Government*.

* The satellite operation of Ontario's Liberal Elected Representatives controlled by Ottawa/Hull went from a Majority governance operation reduced to less than a number of Elected Liberal M.P.P.'s required to become a registered Political Party. Ontario Citizens do not need Ottawa/Hull oversight.

WTP

Ooh. My first time inspiring a post all its own. I really should have combed my hair this morning.

David

Ooh. My first time inspiring a post all its own.

It can’t be your first time, surely? You’ve been loitering here longer than these bar snacks.

I really should have combed my hair this morning.

An occasional shampoo wouldn’t go amiss.

Jay  Guevara

So many sonnets that will now go unwritten, so many cancer cures left undiscovered ...

Nah, who am I kidding?

Re the clerk, file this one under "DSAF." Did Society A Favor.

WTP

You’ve been loitering here longer than these bar snacks.

Heh. Not that I'm lacking attention over the years. Likely just that my herds of snark don't give much milk. Though some are kinda pretty if I look at them in the right light. Others...umm, not so much...

WTP

But as to:
They should leave him alone -- he did nothing illegal. Let him be so he can process this trauma without public intrusion.

Bingo. But of course that's the plan. See George Zimmerman. They've tried for decades to ban the guns, the bullets, whatever they can to criminalize legal, responsible gun ownership. Now that Cancel Culture is getting traction, something that I think got traction for non-celebrities in GZ's case, they have done very well intimidating the more well-to-do gun owners with the fear that even using your weapon in self defense, no matter how clear-cut, with the legal hassles and costs you'll come to the "wise" conclusion that you're probably better off unarmed. Just hand over whatever the thief can get from your home or person. What may be at risk due to the lawyers will far exceed that.

Darleen

David, hadn’t you heard? Criminals are a protected class now.

Yep.

David

Yep.

[Thief, Ryan] Watson filed a civil suit against Maurice seeking $100,000 because he has suffered “emotional upset, severe fatigue and insomnia.”

Again, if only these creatures were capable of shame.

Jay  Guevara

[Thief, Ryan] Watson filed a civil suit against Maurice seeking $100,000 because he has suffered “emotional upset, severe fatigue and insomnia.”

Which distress prevents him for plying his trade, such as it is?

Farnsworth Learned Hand Muldoon

In other criminal justice news, not even a short sentence.

2017...

A convicted paedophile dwarf who sought sex with girls aged 13 and 15 has been spared jail for a second time...At the time of sentencing in November 2017, Judge Rhys Rowland described Bowen as 'small in stature and emotionally inadequate' and said he would have a 'very hard time' in prison...

This time...

Today at Mold Crown Court, a three months suspended jail term was imposed...Judge Parry added to the defendant : 'I think you have learned your lesson and you also have the tools to understand the importance of these orders. Don't do it again.'

Harsh, right up there with drawing and quartering.

Lord of the Fleas

I am reminded of the 'grab & run' thief a few years back on Spadina Street in downtown Toronto ... [who] was caught by one specific Store Owner and with the assistance of neighbouring Store Owners ... [and] placed ... in the back of a Van. ... The Police charged the Store Owner for capturing the thief ...

The obvious lesson here is to not involve the cops. The bugger was already in a van, undetected by officialdom. Er ... umm ... perhaps enough said, except to note that "crimes" (such as dealing with criminals) generally require some, um, physical evidence. Just sayin'...

Squirrelfmradio

As a person NOT schooled in modern manners, I'm wondering if we can also shoot the perp's family? Pretty obvious no one useful will miss them.

David

Darleen has more thoughts on this. Though she’s much too shy and retiring to share links to her own posts.

David

Which distress prevents him for plying his trade, such as it is?

Presumably, he’s too emotionally fatigued to steal other people’s stuff with his usual sense of entitlement and expectation of impunity. As Theodore Dalrymple has illustrated many times, habitual criminals happily exploit the excuses and moral contortions churned out by lefties, the endless attempts to exempt them from even the most basic responsibility. A fact to which said lefties seem either oblivious or indifferent. Except, of course, for when they’re openly enthusiastic.

And the willingness to conjure elaborate, rather implausible excuses for thuggery, predation and recreational sociopathy is, as we’ve seen, quite remarkable.

Nikw211

You’ve been loitering here longer than these bar snacks.

And there was me thinking albino olives were some kind of exotic delicacy.

[ Takes Johnny Walker and returns to darkened corner ]

David

[ Dusts olives, resumes wiping bar. ]

Burnsie

“They shoulda called the cops!”

"...so my brother coulda got away!"

That, or they're already seeing dollar signs with a lawsuit against the store.

Reminds me of the case in Florida where a teenager was shot dead committing a home invasion robbery.

His sister said he was just trying to get some "spending money," as if robbing people was a perfectly fine part-time occupation.

Darleen

Though she’s much too shy and retiring

Just chalk it up to my parental units teaching me bourgeois values of not tooting my own horn. ;)

Lord of the Fleas

From Darleen's post: Police said that the Gettysburg store has been robbed four times this year.

What's the over/under on there being a fifth such effort?

David

[ Slides fancy lace doily under Darleen’s drink. ]

No swearing or intimate scratching, you heathen rabble. There’s a lady among us.

Sonny Wayz

"[Thief, Ryan] Watson filed a civil suit against Maurice seeking $100,000 because he has suffered “emotional upset, severe fatigue and insomnia.”

The linked article also points out that he's suing for 'loss of income'.

So, a thief is suing for loss of income for being shot during a robbery... No, that can't be correct. I need to reread the article.

Sonny Wayz

The obvious lesson here is to not involve the cops. The bugger was already in a van, undetected by officialdom. Er ... umm ... perhaps enough said, except to note that "crimes" (such as dealing with criminals) generally require some, um, physical evidence. Just sayin'...

Well, under those circumstances, assuming a baseball bat wasn't handy, a nice little van ride to a side road near Orangeville or Georgina would be instructive. Oh, sorry, I stepped on your phone - you'll have to make your own way back.

[+]

intimate scratching

Band name.

pst314

intimate scratching

So no primate mutual grooming behavior?

Darleen

Don't stand between a hungry man and his burger ...

PS and some help, can anyone translate?

Jay  Guevara

What's the over/under on there being a fifth such effort?

It's a dead cert. You're imputing to this demographic the ability to learn. Historians and high school teachers laugh and shake their heads at that notion.

Mags

What's the over/under on there being a fifth such effort?

'Another Dollar General store in Dayton was robbed tonight, two days after a man was shot and killed by a clerk when he attempted to rob a different Dollar General in the city.'

https://www.whio.com/news/crime--law/masked-gunman-robs-dollar-general-dayton/jUDsucfFrsTNc28GkRZAbJ/

Myrddin
I'm pissed at WHIO TV 7 for their statement early in the clip that they are trying to learn the identity of the clerk who shot the robber.

Media Party Vanguard Cadres ( aka 'journalists' ):

Get ID of shooter.

Pray ( to St Greta.... obviously ) that the clerk is male, white and favours a certain red baseball cap.

Trawl the clerk's social media for any incriminating evidence, such as liking Trumphitler 45; supporting the 2nd amendment; wearing a culturally-appropriative costume at a high school party. Woke Capital Crimes, in other words.

Dox the clerk.

Await onset of BLM protests and picketlines. Report more outrage.

Seek comment from Dollar General on clerk once dressing in high school like Justin Trudeau did ( or similar Woke Crime ) and report sacking of clerk.

Await murder of now-dismissed clerk by unknown persons ( 'who could possibly have a motive for this terrible act ??').

Write opeds lamenting lax US gun laws and advocating votes for DNC candidates proposing forcible gun seizures. And Orange Man Bad, of course.

Forget dead clerk. Move on to next target, per Comrade Alinsky's precepts.

Rafi

At least he died doing what he loved.

OH WELL.

David

At least he died doing what he loved.

OH WELL.

Not, I think, unfair.

Tom

Sgt. Schloss said that Dollar General stores have been hit hard these last few months, but he wasn’t aware of an uptick in crime.

Police said that the Gettysburg store has been robbed four times this year.

Nice community they've got there in Dayton, a police office admitting that a particular type of store has "been hit hard these last few months" but that not affecting the crime stats for the area. What's their normal level of armed robbery for goodness sake?

TDK

In the words of Ian La Frenais/Dick Clement it was an "Occupation Hazard"

TDK

Ha! > OccupationAL

jones

People wonder why former corporals end up in charge when they say they'll fix this shit....

Joan

the morally obvious – that the lives and wellbeing of the law-abiding are much more important than the lives and wellbeing of the creatures who prey on them habitually, even recreationally

That.

Adam, the Other One

"...but he wasn’t aware of an uptick in crime."

Mush-mouth parseltongue.

I used to work with a woman who would pretend not to understand a simple request like "Where is the Smith file?" unless you said exactly the right words such as "Where is the Sam W. Smith union pension file?"

There is also the classic Clintonian-esque evasion. Nobody asked about an "uptick" in crime so volunteering that information is meant to shut off inquiry. Today's news repeaters (AKA reporters)happily comply.

If you told a typical reporter today that 1 + 2 = 7 and that 2 + 1 = 5 they would report those statements as "facts".

David

That.

An example that comes to mind is the spate of moped crimes in London. Amid public complaints of police impotence, with ever-more brazen and organised attacks becoming a daily event - 19,000 incidents in 2017 alone - politicians and the police finally, belatedly, mustered the will to respond accordingly – i.e., by using police vehicles to ram the thieves off their mopeds. This policy seemed quite effective – apparently resulting in a 36% fall in such crimes - and was broadly popular with the public.

And then came the handwringing and equivocation, and tearful articles in the Guardian about how “austerity” was to blame, not the criminals themselves, and how we mustn’t “scapegoat” the predatory trash who choose to rob people on a daily, even hourly, basis. Apparently, it’s unacceptable for criminal predators to get injured as a consequence of their own criminal behaviour. As if we should care about habitual muggers ending up in hospital. And inevitably, moped gangs began removing their helmets in the belief that this would deter police pursuit.

Because we mustn’t risk hurting the poor dears.

pst314

David,

An update regarding the far-left Chicago Teachers Union.

You mentioned them in this post:

https://davidthompson.typepad.com/davidthompson/2014/03/elsewhere-116.html

"And Karen Lewis, president of the Chicago Teachers Union, wants “social justice” shoehorned into primary school maths teaching. Because who could possibly want their children to learn arithmetic without some nakedly Marxoid indoctrination?"

The CTU is currently in contract negotiations. Among its demands are "affordable housing" for teachers and students:

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/10/8/20905834/cps-teachers-strike-ctu-union-public-schools-affordable-housing

"...[Mayor] Lightfoot’s office released a statement after the 49th bargaining session between the two sides and again complained that the CTU hasn’t responded to her latest offer with a solid counter-offer. Instead, the mayor said the union used Tuesday’s bargaining session to discuss concerns about the lack of affordable housing in the city — an issue the union has been pushing for months.

Lightfoot said in her statement that the teachers contract wasn’t “the appropriate place” for the city to legislate affordable housing policies...."

A_Name

gibberish here

A_Nonny_Mouse

Regarding the gun-waving thug and his just desserts:

The anti-civilization Leftoids tend to lecture us normals that "it's only PROPERTY, and it can always be replaced".

They neglect to note the TIME and LABOR it takes to accumulate that "property"; they won't acknowledge that when these little thuglets steal something, they take not only the "thing", but also the hours of labor required to earn the money to buy it, and then again the hours of labor necessary to replace it.

So: to my mind, any threat to one's life -whether in its entirety, or just a few-hundred hours of it- is justification for the use of Utmost Force.

jones

"gibberish here"

Exqueeze me, baking powder?

WTP

I used to work with a woman who would pretend not to understand a simple request like "Where is the Smith file?" unless you said exactly the right words such as "Where is the Sam W. Smith union pension file?"

Presumably she works in a law firm? I've had lawyers play that game with me. Not that I can't play it back but where I come from it's a glaring sign of insecurity and weakness. I have begun calling people out on this crap that I used to let pass. Gotta be in the mood for it, have the time to take them to the mat if necessary, and be damn sure one's facts are completely in order. Really growing tired of these passive/aggressive attitudes. Someone around here also plays this game or somewhat similar. Though I'll admit in that case it's not worth the bother anymore.

pst314

Presumably she works in a law firm?

Or is in a union, and loves the "work to rule" tactic of obstruction?

Sonny Wayz

A_Nonny_Mous:

They neglect to note the TIME and LABOR it takes to accumulate that "property"; they won't acknowledge that when these little thuglets steal something, they take not only the "thing", but also the hours of labor required to earn the money to buy it, and then again the hours of labor necessary to replace it.

So: to my mind, any threat to one's life -whether in its entirety, or just a few-hundred hours of it- is justification for the use of Utmost Force.

Finally! Or +100, or whatever the cool kids are saying these days.

Some years back, someone I know lost her great grandmother's engagement ring to a freelance socialist (H/T Heinlein).

Q for the 'only property' crowd: would you rather be roughed up, even bruised ('personal' crime), or have an heirloom ('only property') stolen? No bafflegab allowed.

Daniel Ream

Presumably she works in a law firm?

Yes. Well.

I often find myself in the position of having people ask me the equivalent of "where's the Smith file". The thing is, at any given moment I'm dealing with a dozen Smiths, each of whom has half a dozen files to their name.

You know which "Smith file" you're thinking of, but you didn't bother to impart that information to me, so I'm going to tell you to $%^& off and stop wasting my time until you learn how to communicate effectively.

Governor Squid

...until you learn how to communicate effectively.

Two-way street, mon ami. There's a pretty wide gulf between the colleague who says, "Which Smith file? I'm working on several at the moment," and the one who pretends that she has so many Krasczmarczek files that she couldn't possibly understand which one you want.

Daniel Ream

There's a pretty wide gulf between the colleague who says [...]

And yet, if you simply specify which file you actually want without pointless ambiguity, you get the same result from both of them.

A_Name

"Gibberish here" ...

Well, see, I have hideous awful internet "service". I'd tried and tried to comment, but always failed. The "Post" button was grayed out, or my system would freeze, or whatever.

So I just-for-grins tried one more time. And I even left the email addr blank so it would be rejected, as a just-in-case.

WEELLLL, as you can see, THAT
was the One Magic Time all the planets aligned and my dangfrimmen comment zipped thru the ether and posted instantaneously.

Apologies.

A_Name

Omigosh, that makes two comments that worked! Might as well try to make my original point, even though the caravan has moved on:

Regarding the gun-waving thug and his just desserts: The anti-civilization Leftoids tend to lecture us normals that "it's only PROPERTY, and it can always be replaced".

They neglect to note the TIME and LABOR it takes to acquire that "property"; they won't acknowledge that when these little thuglets steal something, they take not only the "thing", but also the hours of labor
required to earn the money to buy it, and then again the hours of labor necessary to replace it.

So: to my mind, any threat to one's life -whether in its entirety, or just a few-hundred hours of it- is justification for the use of Utmost Force.

-- now, click "Post" and cross my fingers...

WTP

Exactly, A_Name. Just don't try telling such things to a psychiatrist. They will either roll their eyes or show the sort of mild bemusement one expresses when encountering a novel but wild, out of left field conspiracy theory. Don't ask me how I know.

pst314

...The "Post" button was grayed out...

Possible solution: Did you enter your name & email after typing your comment? Make and then un-make a single-letter change to your comment. The "Post" button should become enabled.

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