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November 02, 2019

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Buzzard

See who they are.......how? These cowards would mask their identity LOL

Sam Duncan

I've posted before about the problem with “social justice”: that, in holding people to account for things others have done, it is, in fact, the opposite of justice.

But there's another danger: it's “social”. There is no due process; no calm, deliberate, weighing-up of evidence; no impartial judge or jury. “Social justice” rips off Lady Justice's blindfold and sticks its thumb on her scales. Ngo is deserving of violence because the people who beat him up say he's deserving of violence.

It's not hard to imagine where that attitude will lead.

sH2

‘You see who we are, and show others who we are, and so we will punish you.’

That.

Craig Austin

Social justice means injustice.
Politically correct means incorrect.
Antifa are Fascists.
European settlers ended slavery in the Americas, they did not start it.
Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Mussolini were devoted Socialists.

David

That.

As we’ve seen quite vividly many times, Antifa gatherings seem to involve an extraordinary level of contrivance and projection. An inversion of reality. Which I suppose makes the participants rather brittle, psychologically. Anything that might undermine the pretence, the collective role-play, even quietly filming their behaviour, is a threat. And thus, in their minds, something to punish.

David

in holding people to account for things others have done, it is, in fact, the opposite of justice.

The terms “social justice” and “equity,” at least as currently used, should always ring alarm bells.

pst314

Antifa are Fascists.

In case I have not mentioned it before: Communists used to be called "red fascists".

Lorna

Antifa gatherings seem to involve an extraordinary level of contrivance and projection.

From David's links:

Note the unhappy lady, about five minutes in, the self-styled “anti-fascist,” who complains about the intimidation and provocation of her associates being filmed by a lone journalist who is effectively surrounded by her fellow goons and massively outnumbered, about 150 to one, and pinned against a barrier, before declaring her own bravery in the face of such trauma, and while shrieking sexually-themed abuse, via megaphone, directly into his face.

These people need some serious medication.

Bill de Haan

I've posted before about the problem with “social justice”: that, in holding people to account for things others have done, it is, in fact, the opposite of justice.

This is very much like what people who talk about how Nietzsche wrote about the Superman long before it became a comic book character.

Nietzsche's Superman was the complete opposite of the comic character. He was talking about the moral ideal of man. He wrote about how men didn't need extreme physical strength to change the world, they needed morality, and exceptional strength of character. They would use that character to impose their will on the world, for the betterment of all.

In contrast, the comic book character didn't have any exceptional moral character, he was just super strong and had physical abilities to beat his opponents up.

Nietzsche considered the need for physical combat to be a failing, because it showed your inability to show others the correctness of your cause.

Antifa doesn't debate ideas, they won't even show their faces. They just beat up people they disagree with.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"Antifa never hurt anyone", except for that whole 6 years upriver for a baton attack thing.

Defense attorney Edward Kroll said Halupowski made “a really terrible decision” and that Kelly didn’t deserve what happened to him, but the attorney believed the agreed-upon 70-month prison sentence was “one of the harshest sentences I’ve seen for someone with no criminal background and young age.”

Aspiring rapper, was turning his life around, just made a bad decision. The lawyer should be sent up with him. Oh well, at least one dirtbag off the streets.

David

These people need some serious medication.

As noted previously, if an extraordinarily high percentage of Antifa participants turned out to have Cluster B disorders, this wouldn’t be remotely surprising. Even for those without obvious personality disorders, the collective dynamic, the dress-up game, is a license for dysfunctional behaviour.

The contrivance and projection help explain the hair-trigger hostility. In that, if there’s a marked dissonance between your self-image and what you actually are - if, say, you imagine yourself as some righteous avenger, when in fact you’re just a narcissist with sociopathic tendencies – someone who gets off on wearing a mask and intimidating random strangers, even assaulting them – then you’re probably going to be a little touchy when your professed motives, and piety, are called into question. Or revealed on camera as grotesquely bogus.

In short, when you catch someone lying – especially about something that they loudly profess and on which they hang their identity – they’re unlikely to thank you for it. And the greater their contortion, the more hostile they’re likely to be.

And this isn’t some random, aberrant mindset. It’s actively encouraged.

randian
I've posted before about the problem with “social justice”: that, in holding people to account for things others have done, it is, in fact, the opposite of justice.
That's now official government policy in Germany. The right is being blamed by high officials for anti-Semitism and violence, when it's obvious to all honest observers that it's first the Muslims, then the left, that's doing those things.
Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

And then they wonder why people keep voting for the AfD.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

"The joke of still being a ball and not a pumpkin is harmful".

Woke.

Killer Marmot

I wonder which one of the Trick-or-Treaters was the Grand Wizard.

Bunch of masked white guys harassing "ethnics" at their home in the middle of the night. Not a good look.

Hector Drummond

I can remember the left lecturing for me years on how lynch mobs are terribly bad and inimical to civilised society. Now, like almost everything else teh left told us was bad, they're all the rage amongst... the left.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Antifa Lite - Storming the Bastille subway to protest police brutality (and oh, yeah, we don't want to pay) - scroll through the replies, and don't forget to watch the video of the people chanting about being in chains. Heartbreaking.

These people mass turnstile-jumping are making a point about socioeconomic conditions and how selective enforcement can be a tool of oppression. If someone can't afford to pay a fare, that's a problem that needs a better solution than arrest and fine.

Mainly wypipo in that video, obviously oppressed, especially the guy in the Waldo sweater at 0:53 being oppressed by his SLR. The obvious solution would be to cancel the train and let the idiots stew there, but obvious solution and NYC are antipodal.

pst314

If someone can't afford to pay a fare, that's a problem that needs a better solution than arrest and fine.

Cannot afford the fare? I doubt it.

Daniel Ream

The obvious solution would be to cancel the train and let the idiots stew there

Increasingly, the solution to cities like New York and San Francisco seems to be the Plissken Doctrine.

Fay

As I commented elsewhere:

"...people who can't afford to pay subway fare" yet somehow, miraculously, they can afford iPhones, iPads, Apple watches, earphones, and Nikes. It is a mystery. Or maybe a miracle. Praise the Lord.

Squires

Even for those without obvious personality disorders, the collective dynamic, the dress-up game, is a license for dysfunctional behaviour.

They've stuck their heads up their own asses and liked what they see there so well that they've also decided everyone else simply must follow.

The contrivance and projection help explain the hair-trigger hostility. In that, if there’s a marked dissonance between your self-image and what you actually are - if, say, you imagine yourself as some righteous avenger, when in fact you’re just a narcissist with sociopathic tendencies – someone who gets off on wearing a mask and intimidating random strangers, even assaulting them – then you’re probably going to be a little touchy when your professed motives, and piety, are called into question.

That. See also: Muhammad and Ibn Sar, Abu Afak, Asma bin Marwan, etc.

David

Heh.

Today’s words are grandiose paranoia.

WTP

If someone can't afford to pay a fare, that's a problem that needs a better solution than arrest and fine.

So true. There's a program called Get A F****ng Job You Lazy Bastard. I highly recommend it as a solution to many other problems as well. There's even this instructional video I found on Facebook.

https://www.facebook.com/100000669674285/posts/1641629065869400?sfns=mo

Col. Milquetoast

“the problem with “social justice”” is how it is begging the question. Instead of making an argument to defend their position they just declare the fashionable position of the day is social justice and then the default response to criticism tends to “oh no! But that means you’re opposed to a just society!”

Burnsie

These people need some serious medication.

If by "serious medication" you mean serious ass-kickings, I agree wholeheartedly.

pst314

If by "serious medication" you mean serious ass-kickings, I agree wholeheartedly.

Boot to the head?

Darleen

Today’s words are grandiose paranoia.

I think there's at least a lawsuit to be made here.

Horace Dunn

the problem with “social justice” is how it is begging the question.

Well, precisely. Sure, it seems unfair that there are idle multi-zillionaires swanning about while some people don’t have enough to live on. But grown-ups realise that the real picture is much more complex than that. But as soon as you start to wrestle with the complexity, by asking, for example, whether it is just that working people should be forced to support non-working people along with their other dependents – it does rather spoil the fun, and it makes the moral high-ground on which lefties love to plant their flags, seem a little less solid.

Trevor

The right is being blamed by high officials for anti-Semitism ...

We've been here before - or did we ever go away? I think it was in the early 2000s that some European, possibly EU, entity produced a report on anti-semitism. To the authors' credit, it was very detailed and thorough. However, its release was preceded by headlines about the danger from right-wing skinheads, which by then were already creatures of the past. Needless to say this scaremongering was flatly contradicted by the data in the report. (I apologise that I've not been able to track down the report, but I'm confident that my recollection is correct).

pst314

(I apologise that I've not been able to track down the report, but I'm confident that my recollection is correct).

I would be very grateful if you or anyone else locates it.

Quibble/clarification: wouldn't it be correct to say that right-wing anti-semitic violence has not vanished, but is simply much less frequent than leftist and islamist violence? My impression, from across the pond, is that such incidents still occur even if they are only a fraction of the other kinds.

Daniel Ream

Today’s words are grandiose paranoia.

I had to look up what "atomwaffen" was (to my disappointment, it's not nuclear-armed bombers) and even according to the laughably hysterical Wikipedia and SPLC articles on them, they have ... eighty members.

We had more people than that at the last board games night.

Darleen

Don't shoot at the pregnant lady.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Our betters opine:

A "populist left" better:

This is land by the Colorado, Kansas border from a plane. Pretty cool. I have no idea how/ why it looks like this

A reply of note, but RTWT.

juliaeryn

'This is land by the Colorado, Kansas border from a plane. Pretty cool. I have no idea how/ why it looks like this'

This dude's pinned tweet is an 'incomplete list of policies dems can can should pursue' that includes 'green new deal' among other gems such as 'free college' and 'no corporate pac $ & no big $ bundling pledge' (I admit I have no idea what that means). But srsly guys he is obviously qualified to determine what major economic policies should be pursued, depsite being unaware of what agriculture looks like.

juliaeryn

As a follow up, I once went to a talk by the good professor Paul Ehrlich, who claimed that 'people have no idea where their food comes from' and they believed milk just magically arrived at the supermarket. This made me (even more) skeptical about his arguments as to give them weight he needed to pretend such extremely ignorant people exist. I guess I owe him an apology. Although in my defence, I bet he didn't envisage that such stupidity would be on *his* side...

David

But srsly guys he is obviously qualified to determine what major economic policies should be pursued, despite being unaware of what agriculture looks like.

Not knowing how things work has rarely been an impediment for socialists. Sadly.

Oh, and thanks very much for the rattling of the tip jar. May your enemies know the sorrow of missed bin collection days.

David

Don’t shoot at the pregnant lady.

He married well.

pst314

This is land by the Colorado, Kansas border from a plane. Pretty cool. I have no idea how/ why it looks like this

In a later tweet, he says that what puzzled him was not the squares but the variation in their color. So maybe he did already know that fields are usually square, but his political policy ideas are still garbage.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

In a later tweet, he says that what puzzled him was not the squares but the variation in their color.

"Homina, homina, homina, yeah, the variation, that's the ticket."

Bullcrap, he covering up, and is probably still wondering about the circles.

WTP

'people have no idea where their food comes from'

As I keep saying, socialism is a cargo cult. Though I'm certain that while, as you say, he didn't envisage that such stupidity would be on *his* side, there's a good bit of similar from our elitist don't-know-anyone-who-owns-a-pickup-truck on the (American) right as well. And in general some of these things, as pointed out by one of the people in the tweet discussion, can blind side you at time. I'll confess, not having grown up in an Italian household, it never occurred to me where pasta comes from until I was about 30. Just poured it out of the box and got on with dinner. Then they started selling the fancier stuff in the refrigerated section of supermarkets in it's more "natural" state. Was like, ahh...

I'd be willing to believe the guy was more puzzled by the variations in color IF he's old enough to recall back in the 80's when crop circles were a well publicized "supernatural" thing. Also, I believe the last Led Zeppelin album, which was rather ubiquitous at the time especially after John Bonham died the classic rock-and-roll death, featured them on the cover.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I'd be willing to believe the guy was more puzzled by the variations in color...

I'd be willing to believe that if he had spent his entire life in Uganda and had never before seen snow and how, even in a city, it accumulates/melts at different rates on different surfaces.

I am more willing to believe he is just an idiot*. As far as the circles go, seeing as how central pivot irrigation is even used in Africa and the Mideast, a wandering Bedouin would probably recognize them for what they are.


*(Whilst working in NYC [spit] and speaking normally, unlike the natives; NYC: You aren't from here are you ? M: No, [names state]. NYC: Where ? M: South of Jersey, other side of the Hudson. NYC: Oh [nods knowingly]) Our betters are the most provincial people on the planet.

WTP

Reconsidering...I just got up to get a cup of coffee and came back to my screen saver showing a picture of similar farming practice along a river in China. But then why would he be surprised by variation in color, especially as the pic is a winter, snow covered one? Meh, I'm back to agreeing with Muldoon.

Kinda reminds me of a discussion I had this weekend with a NeverTrumper on a certain other blog of NeverTrumpity NeverTrumpism. After I made a negative reference to the kind of people "who don’t know anyone who drives a pickup truck" (kinda why I have pickup trucks on my mind), guy comes back with "Because the common people know that the appropriate use of the power of the Presidency is to bully a small country". I say (shortened version) "WTF bubble boy?" and he tries to tell me I missed his rather obvious sarcasm. Yeah. Yeah, that was it. Sarcasm of sarcasm or whatever that for some reason is 180 degrees opposite of damn near everything else the guy posts. Just kidding lolz. I shape-shifted on you. You're so stoooopid not to see it. I only mention it because I'm seeing more and more of this 8th grade argumentation from people who otherwise like to fashion themselves as "the adults in the room".

WTP

Heh...Didn't see your post before I posted. Agree.

Sam

The contrivance and projection help explain the hair-trigger hostility

Maybe, but we don't see the same behavior from secret police the world over, for example, enforcing the state's brutal policies "for your own good". Of course, in those circumstances you have violent professionals enforcing a complex system within an established hierarchy. What we have in the West differs only slightly from sugar-mad toddlers throwing a tantrum when the world isn't precisely as they wish it to be.

BrassG

Hrm.

*returns to sorting ammunition*

Chester Draws

"Because the common people know that the appropriate use of the power of the Presidency is to bully a small country".

The Ukraine is many things. But small isn't one of them.

It is the largest country in Europe by area (if you don't count Russia as European). It has 42 Million people. Coming from New Zealand, I consider Ukraine to be vast in area and large in population. It's one of the more annoying traits of USAians, to consider the USA as normal, when they aren't considering it to be exceptional.

And it's not like other Presidents haven't bullied countries -- big and small -- like forever. Although I would consider Obama's intervention in Libya to be rather stronger than "bullying".

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