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December 15, 2019

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Rafi

Symbolism!

Rafi

The Grauniad keeps on giving.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEJy9Xcnyu0

Hal

Oh, Noes!!!!!

After all, the Hunger Games version was clearly much more exciting, gotta have that instead . . .

David

The Grauniad keeps on giving.

It does rather highlight the gulf between Ms Sarkar and the demographic that she and her peers so merrily disdain as in need of either correction from above, by their betters, or outright replacement. As noted recently, from crime and policing to mass immigration, there’s been a marked shift in allegiance - one that’s apparently been noticed by quite a few voters. A point demonstrated, at times vividly, in this documentary by Martin Durkin.

Also, as Tim Newman observed, Ms Sarkar appears to have, shall we say, baggage.

David

The Grauniad keeps on giving.

As the left is to a large extent driven by pretension, narcissism and in-group status-seeking, it’s all but inevitable that the humdrum working class would be superseded as a demographic of ostensible concern. The search is always on for a more niche and exciting victim group to be seen championing. Thereby accruing those Bogus Compassion Points.

It’s why we find articles by Guardian columnists in which they defend ‘problem families’ but not the working-class neighbours of those families, on whom their sociopathic behaviour is inflicted. Ditto habitual criminals, whose predation must be excused and waved aside as inconsequential, while giving no thought whatsoever to those on whom they prey:

Readers may recall a Guardian interview with lawyer and activist Clive Stafford Smith, who airily dismissed burglary as “really quite inconsequential,” thereby implying that the wellbeing of burglars is more important than the wellbeing of their numerous, often very poor, victims. Especially if the burglar is a “young black person.” According to Mr Stafford Smith and Guardian columnist Decca Aitkenhead - for whom, such things are largely theoretical and not a routine fact of life - anger at being burgled and the subsequent sense of violation are somehow trivial, plebeian and unsophisticated. And so, these enlightened creatures pretend to feel sympathy for career criminals who may prey on their neighbours for years, while disdaining the victims’ expectations of lawfulness, and justice, as “idiotic attitudes.”

And our Guardian columnists do this proudly, as if waiting for applause.

JuliaM

And right on cue, a Barbara Ellen column. Headed "To be young under Margaret Thatcher was tough for many. I fear this will be far worse"

I was young under Margaret Thatcher. I don't recall it being tough. Of course, I had a job.

"I’ve never had anything against Leave voters, but, guys, look at the state (the absolute state) of your leaders!"

We did. Then we looked at yours.

David

Also,

The British working class aren’t particularly interested in Palestine, “Climate Action”, transgenderism, “smashing capitalism” or the fifty other Marxist stupidities which the middle-class, ‘educated’ internationalists that now dominate the party obsess about,

From this thread over at Tim Worstall’s.

David

If anyone has trouble with comments not appearing, email me and I’ll jiggle the spam filter. Though not for a couple of hours, as I’m being taken out into Derbyshire.

WTP

on whom their sociopathic behaviour is inflicted.

Ooh. Just read through (most of) the comments on that thread. That was epic. Hal/Minnow action, entomology, philosophy of choosing a proper long range firearm, Minnow managing to insult not just myself (and others obviously) but two generations of my family AND my dog. Good times, good times.

Captain Nemo

Christmas in a nutshell: https://twitter.com/buitengebieden_/status/1205082844617420801

David

Christmas in a nutshell

Oddly enough, I did not see that coming.

Sam Duncan

“It’s why we find articles by Guardian columnists in which they defend ‘problem families’ but not the working-class neighbours of those families, on whom their sociopathic behaviour is inflicted.”

I was reminded by a couple of comments at Guido's this morning of my realisation about 30 years ago that we have (or had then) in Britain a liberal party called “Conservative”, a socialist party called “Liberal”, and a deeply conservative party of the unemployed and feckless* called “Labour”.

Things have changed over the years, but I think it's more true than ever. And since the Liberals merged with an avowedly socialist party and added the word “Democrats” to their name, they've managed to find themselves fighting an election on a platform of ignoring the biggest democratic vote in this country's history.

You couldn't make this shit up. It's almost like there's a Trades Descriptions Act operating in reverse for political parties. (See also the European imperialists of the Scottish National Party constantly banging on about “independence” as they plot to hand even more power to Brussels.)

“We did. Then we looked at yours.”

:) PJ O'Rourke has a theory that the winner of US Presidential elections is always the one you'd most like (or least dislike) to have a drink with. One-term presidents are good examples: Carter over Ford, but Reagan over Carter; Bush over Dukakis, but Clinton over Bush. The point being that policy and what they're actually like as people is almost irrelevant: Clinton's an asshole, but he's fun. Bush is no party animal (so he lost to Clinton), but at least he's not a dull political geek like Dukakis. I bet he had some good war stories.

In that light, is it any wonder the Tories, led by Boris, won? Or why the last election, with May and Corbyn, was such a close-run thing with an indecisive result? I think Peej is on to something. (Although, to return to my last parenthetical point, it doesn't explain the Nats. To be fair, for all his oleagenous smugness, Salmond seems like a bit of a laugh. But that bloody Sturgeon woman? She's like a middle-aged Greta Thunberg.)

*Mind you, as a member of the unemployed and feckless community myself, I wouldn't vote Labour if they'd held a gun to my head. Which, if they'd won on Thursday, would have been a distinct possibility next time out.

[Cripes. That was a long 'un. I should probably get one of these blog things myself.]

David

Ooh. Just read through (most of) the comments on that thread. That was epic.

It’s one of the things that still pleases me about this dubious establishment, more than a decade on. If you poke through the comment threads, you can often find things of interest.

Well done, heathen rabble.

David

[Cripes. That was a long ‘un. I should probably get one of these blog things myself.]

It’s all glamorous parties and endless babes. A heady rush.

Captain Nemo

Oddly enough, I did not see that coming.

I didn't, at first. It is quite pleasing, isn't it?

David

It is quite pleasing, isn’t it?

It’s pleasingly literal.

Captain Nemo

Heh.

sH2

The rot is spreading...

https://www.thecollegefix.com/academics-chide-article-on-quantum-computing-for-using-term-supremacy-its-for-racists/

pst314

The Grauniad keeps on giving.

But I have seen claims that support for the Labour Party dropped chiefly because of Corbyn and that with a less overtly Communist leader who did not bang drum of everybody-but-the-English identity politics Labour would have done much better in the election. Is that accurate? It's hard to tell from across the Atlantic.

The question uppermost in my mind is, if Corbyn is not representative of the Labour Party then how did he become its leader?

David

if Corbyn is not representative of the Labour Party then how did he become its leader?

As others have noted, at a gathering of Labour Party members, you’re more likely to see the Palestinian flag than the British one. And photo opportunities like this one are in no way uncommon.

Lancastrian Oik

And here's The Speccie getting the wrong end of the stick again. As "Fraser Nelson's Underpants" points out BTL, "Boris's victory was a moment in a greater Western trend of rejecting the liberal, technocratic establishment. Please do not mistake it for anything else".

Lancastrian Oik

....then how did he become its leader?

It was all Toby Young's idea.

And it happened earlier than predicted.

Steve E

It was all Toby Young's idea.

I had never considered Toby Young to be prescient, but he even had BOJO as the beneficiary of a Corbyn led Labour party. That's if the 2015 dateline on the column is to be believed.

pst314

As others have noted, at a gathering of Labour Party members, you’re more likely to see the Palestinian flag than the British one.

In fact, I read very recently that the British flag is banned from Labour Party events.

I have also read that when Margaret Thatcher was first elected PM there were senior Labour Party and union officials who wanted to transform the UK into a Soviet state.

Now, am I correct that a less-extremist Labour Party would be far more popular with the public? And how much less extreme would it need to be to have a good chance of winning local and national elections?

NTSOG

David wrote: "... as I’m being taken out into Derbyshire."

Is that like being forcibly taken out into the wilds back of beyond, being given a bottle of water and some chips [crisps I think they're called in England] and told to find your own way home by foot?

Jim

David

Is that like being forcibly taken out into the wilds back of beyond, being given a bottle of water and some chips [crisps I think they’re called in England] and told to find your own way home by foot?

I did question the wording afterwards. We were running low on Meadowfresh of Chesterfield’s steak pie slices, which are available, for a very reasonable price, at the Chatsworth House Farm Shop.

As I believe I’ve mentioned before, they’re among the finest to be had.

David

union officials who wanted to transform the UK into a Soviet state.

There’s more on the openly Stalinist Mr Scargill and his comrades – I assume he’s one of the people you’re thinking of – in the comments following this.

See also this.

And this.

pst314

Yes, Scargill was one of the people I was thinking of.

David

Yes, Scargill was one of the people I was thinking of.

In hindsight, he’s an absurd figure, a monstrous clown. But he was a clown with power. Which isn’t quite so funny.

Steve E

We were running low on Meadowfresh of Chesterfield’s steak pie slices,

What cut of beef do you use for steak pie slices? A local restaurant makes a fantastic Guinness Steak & Mushroom Pie. I think they use a sirloin cut. I've always been tempted to give it a go at home.

David

What cut of beef do you use for steak pie slices?

No idea what cut they use, but it practically melts in the mouth.

Steve E

I had to make a trip to PetsMart to get socks for my dog (that's another story). They had a Santa Claus in the store who would take a picture with your pet. The line up was longer than I've seen in the mall for the kid's Santa. Of course the dogs were like young children and wanted nothing to do with Santa. One little cocker spaniel looked at me as if to say "save me from the psycho in the red suit." Also, not a cat in sight.

I had no idea people did this. (Says the guy who was buying socks for his dog.)

Karl

Toby Young's idea

Holy fucking hell, I've never been more politically impressed. This guy predicted our entire election, nay from the article may have engineered the whole thing. And judging from the Wayback Machine [https://web.archive.org/web/20150617090055/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html]">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html]">https://web.archive.org/web/20150617090055/http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/general-election-2015/politics-blog/11680016/Why-Tories-should-join-Labour-and-back-Jeremy-Corbyn.html] this seems to be the real deal. Toby Young completely and accurately predicted this whole election four years ago. This is some spooky shit. More of you people in this thread need to express their complete and utter wonderment.

Toby Young - I can only bow to your genius!

Karl

Also, URLs for the Wayback Machine get completely bolloxed by the commenting software!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

As I believe I’ve mentioned before, they’re among the finest to be had...No idea what cut they use, but it practically melts in the mouth.

For the very traditional connoisseur we also sell fresh tripe, hodge, cow heel, & chitterlings from our Chesterfield shop.

Probably poached pancreas, but, I can see why you don't want to know what it really is...

ACTOldFart

Steve E at 21:56

I had to make a trip to PetsMart to get socks for my dog

I really think that is up there with "It is a truth universally acknowledged ... " and "All happy families are the same ... "

Farnsworth M Muldoon

If this serious approach to the problem doesn't solve homelessness nothing will.

NTSOG

@ FM Muldoon: "For the very traditional connoisseur we also sell fresh tripe, hodge, cow heel, & chitterlings from our Chesterfield shop."

Wot?!? No lambs' brains to be fried with bacon? One of life's great delights is crumbed brains and bacon. I thank my long deceased English grandmother for educating me in regard to the consumption of what the ignorant call offal. Now if I can only find some one who can make a real bacon and egg pie, not those anaemic quiche things people try to flog instead.

Jim

Farnsworth M Muldoon

One of life's great delights is crumbed brains and bacon.

"One of life's great delights", yes, ranks right up there with other delights as proctoscopy, hookworms, ingrown toenails, Nickelback, or an evening with Laurie Penny.

Steve E

...chitterlings from our Chesterfield shop.

This is the closest Chesterfield Shop to me. The only part of the animal they sell is the skin.

I really think that is up there with...

Okay, I had to buy socks for my dog because my father-in-law and my mother will be here for Christmas. They are both in their late 80s and have developed very sensitive and thin skin. My dog loves both of them and jumps up on them and his nails end up opening wounds on their arms and hands. This year I thought if I bought socks for him he wouldn't have to spend all of Christmas locked up in the back porch. I know he should be trained not to jump up, but that ship has sailed.

pst314

If this serious approach to the problem doesn't solve homelessness nothing will.

Following that link to the Seattle Times:
"Kira Zylstra, the interim director of All Home who organized this and makes $123,000 a year, has been suspended."

Suspended, but not, sadly, suspended from something. :-) So perhaps there are limits even to what Seattle denizens will tolerate.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

... has been suspended.

Yes, but with pay, so just eyewash CYA to pretend they did something, Seattle mendouchery I believe has no limits.

TimT

Stick library!

https://laughingsquid.com/dog-park-stick-library/

Daniel Ream

I had no idea people did this.

Childless women projecting their frustrated maternal instincts onto their pets. There's a reason they call them "furbabies".

Lancastrian Oik

From the "Stealing The Proles" thread:

As when Jonathan Miller sneered at suburbia, patriotism and “commuter idiocy,” ....

Which I think partly explains the wholly different responses to the near-synchronous deaths of Miller and another polymath, Clive James. The response among my contemporaries to Miller's passing was "He was clever, but..." whereas James' was greeted with "Oh no! What a bloody shame"., etc.

Miller always came across as, well, a bit of a twat if I'm being brutally honest, whereas Clive James seemed like a decent bloke who you would probably enjoy going down the pub with.

Stevie Smith apparently loathed the precocious Miller as a child and wrote "Mother's Hearse" about his relationship with his doting parent; on the other hand James' "Unreliable Memoirs" is wonderfully funny and, I think, genuinely self-deprecatory. Recommended for our American regulars who may be unaware of James' output.

Lancastrian Oik

Probably poached pancreas...

Absolutely nothing wrong with a bit of pancreas. There's a lot of faffing about to be done in the preparation but believe me, it's worth the effort.

David
[Antifa member Brad Mathew] Whisler was also arrested in 2015 and convicted of second-degree criminal mischief after vandalizing a police cruiser during an Antifa protest against the demolition of a house in Portland that had become a haven for anarchist squatters. Police found the decomposing body of a deceased woman inside the home.

Today’s word is milieu.

Liz

Today’s word is milieu.

Antifa -just like normal people!

David

Antifa -just like normal people!

“Have you seen the teabags?”
“They’re over there, by the decomposing body.”

Hal

For the very traditional connoisseur we also sell fresh tripe, hodge, cow heel, & chitterlings from our Chesterfield shop.

One wonders if they have any recommendations for some fava beans and a big Amarone.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Absolutely nothing wrong with a bit of pancreas.

The gourmet cut of offal

I am sure a Ukrainian in 1932 might have thought that, anyone with something more edible like an old boot or some tree bark, not so much.

Seriously, though, when a dog turns its nose up at that stuff and opts to clean the cat's litterbox instead, there might be a culinary problem.

David

I’m guessing the ladies have a version of this.

Via Holborn.

Jen

I’m guessing the ladies have a version of this.

LOL. No. :-)

Sam

RE organ-based delicacies, such as tripe, poached pancreas, and my favorite - menudo - what is your personal ethics on introducing - let's say exotic - foods to loved ones who you just know will enjoy them, despite their previously stated trepidation?

I've heard enough "I had no idea I was eating ____, but it was delicious!" stories to be tempted into bending the truth a bit in the name of culinary discovery, but alas can't bring myself to serve those who've not consented. Persuasion via inviting aromas is often the preferred method. That and having absolutely nothing else on offer. Thoughts?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Persuasion via inviting aromas is often the preferred method.

Bad tactic, few thing smell better cooking than liver and onions, few things taste worse. Trickery by smell should be punishable by the offender being banned from eating all food except stale dry dog biscuits.

The prime rule of first world dining when it comes to vertebrates: nothing above the first thoracic vertebra and no caudal vertebrae, nothing from either the plural or abdominal cavities, nothing below the tibia and fibula. The only exception is a survival situation; this isn't the middle ages where the peasants only got the leftover bits the gentry had the sense not to eat.

Sam Duncan

“If this serious approach to the problem doesn't solve homelessness nothing will.”

That's exactly the phenomenon the Goon Show used to parody with the likes of a tunnel from the House of Lords to the Folies Bergère.* Of course, it looks different; the modern establishment has different taste to the old one. But it's still pissing taxpayers' money up the wall.

*“But sir, I thought we were cutting down on this sinful national expenditure?”

“Of course we are! We haven't built any lighthouses in The Strand this year. And besides, we've cut the tunnel estimates down to the barest essentials. There'll only be plain silver chandeliers.”

Sam

few thing smell better cooking than liver and onions, few things taste worse

In my experience you have this exactly backwards. And why it took me so long to try liver and onions. Menudo, too, smells horrid while cooking but absolutely magical when served.

David

A while ago, The Other Half was watching a documentary about street food in, I think, Thailand. One of the temptations on offer was steamed chicken feet.

Can’t say I was swayed.

Nikw211

Well, that didn't take long ...

    As BAME Officer for London Young Labour, I utterly condemn Jess Phillips' overt racism. Our movement is broad, but there's no space for transphobia, anti-blackness, or the frankly weird levels of ignorant white feminism and self-obsession she exhibits.

    — Faiza (@fzjmmd) December 16, 2019

    Jess always seems to have it in for the black women. https://t.co/X867PxqE3e

    — Kerry-Anne Mendoza (@TheMendozaWoman) December 16, 2019
JuliaM

Nikw211: ’ Well, that didn't take long ...’

Stock up on popcorn, there’s much, much more vicious infighting to come!

Trevor

“If this serious approach to the problem doesn't solve homelessness nothing will.”

A person of colour and avoirdupoisity, not to mention a general presentation that would have induced a breakdown in Linnaeus. What's not to love?

NTSOG

@ Sam: "few thing smell better cooking than liver and onions, few things taste worse
In my experience you have this exactly backwards."

Kidneys are nice too when fried with onion.

Jim

Trevor

Well, that didn't take long ...

Strange they've had their cages rattled by a newspaper article from 2015. The joys of offence archaeology (as Toby Young named it).

Trevor

One of the temptations on offer was steamed chicken feet.

Far from the worst thing eaten in Asia, and infinitely preferable to pagpag.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Kidneys are nice too...

Yeah, the animal equivalent of a used oil filter, add "retroperitoneal" organs to my list above.

Chester Draws

Now, am I correct that a less-extremist Labour Party would be far more popular with the public? And how much less extreme would it need to be to have a good chance of winning local and national elections?

They already win plenty of local elections.

Labour was historically Socialist, and the key to that was Clause IV of their constitution:

To secure for the workers by hand or by brain the full fruits of their industry and the most equitable distribution thereof that may be possible upon the basis of the common ownership of the means of production, distribution and exchange, and the best obtainable system of popular administration and control of each industry or service.

But Tony Blair knew with that the Labour Party would only ever win when the Conservatives were disastrously poor, and he altered it to read:

The Labour Party is a democratic socialist party. It believes that by the strength of our common endeavour we achieve more than we achieve alone, so as to create for each of us the means to realise our true potential and for all of us a community in which power, wealth and opportunity are in the hands of the many, not the few, where the rights we enjoy reflect the duties we owe, and where we live together, freely, in a spirit of solidarity, tolerance and respect.

He also marginalised the extreme left of the party (so much that many of them left it).

And so under him the Party had a run of victories. Labour Parties which are Blair-like social democrats are remarkably successful, including the current NZ Labour Party. The key is that they aren't Socialist.

The current British Labour is reverting to type, with nationalisation of industry high on its list of priorities, and a love that descends to madness for public schools and the NHS. While they remain like that, they will never rule consistently.

I might add, that the Left loathe Tony Blair. He had the temerity to show them that Socialism was all that stood between them and power. The exact same party, with mostly the same people standing, won massive majorities under him.

Trevor

Tony Blair

He was nowhere near as benign as some thought at the time and others seek to portray him retrospectively. He was a vandal, abolishing the ancient post of lord chancellor and paving the way for the abomination that is the supreme court; in a shameless display of cowardice and pandering he did away with double jeopardy; his chancellor sold the gold reserves and raided pension funds in order to fund a splurge on health and education that didn't seem to bring any improvements (other than to the bank balances of the army of public sector workers); and let us not forget the throwing open of the borders in a conscious attempt to alter the population and 'rub the right's nose in diversity'. (Presciently, one of his government's early acts was to abolish the death penalty for treason.)

Not a fan.

Hal

. . . street food in, I think, Thailand. One of the temptations on offer was steamed chicken feet.

Or China.

They're perfectly edible, nothing at all odd---A hyper extended sort of wishbone, sort of???---but then once one has had one, entirely Ehn.

Basically, after the first one, they become merely a step above jicama or eggplant, given that those and related have never achieved being anything more than edible objects for delivering some covering sauce or so.

Boatswain's Mate

Melanie Phillips: The British working class saves Britain -- and its Jews

I just loved the absolute gobsmacked expression of Brexit Party candidate Yosef David's face when Corbyn, in his acceptance speech, said how his party didn't descend into the gutter and all that rubbish.

Baceseras

I agree with Sam, liver and onions on the plate smells and tastes great, but the smell of it cooking is hard to take. Must be the last of the piss-tang burning off. It was a favorite for dinner when I was growing up. We weren't rich but we ate well. Another favorite was creamed kidneys on toast.

In general I find whatever smells tasty is tasty and vice versa. Some if not all physiologists seem to confirm the two senses are strongly linked. Yet I know some people who say, for instance, they like the smell of coffee but can't stand the taste. Which baffles me, but that's their story.

Darleen
"You’re born in your body, you don’t have a spare, so love it, hug it, treat it with care."

RHEEEEEEEEE!!! Terrorist propaganda!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Must be the last of the piss-tang burning off.

Liver - another animal used oil filter, but "piss-tang" ? If there is urine in a liver, the animal was very, very ill when slaughtered, and if you were eating kidneys (which can only be cooked by boiling the piss out of them) you might have thought you were eating well, but anyone who went to a butcher and and had a choice between real meat and a kidney and chose the latter, probably shouldn't have been shopping, let alone cooking.

Baceseras

you might have thought you were eating well 

I thought so then, and I think so still, thankyouverymuch. Wouldn't say no to a dish of those creamed kidneys right this now in fact.

Fay

It’s all glamorous parties and endless babes.

So that's what you spend our hard earned money on. 😁

pst314

It’s all glamorous parties and endless babes.

"That ain't working. That's the way we do it. Money for nothing and chicks for free."

"People see you having fun
Just a-lying in the sun
Tell them that you like it this way
It's the work that we avoid
And we're all self-employed
We love to work at nothing all day
And we'll be
Taking care of business (every day)
Taking care of business (every way)..."

NTSOG

@ FM Muldoon: "...anyone who went to a butcher and and had a choice between real meat and a kidney and chose the latter, probably shouldn't have been shopping, let alone cooking."

We kill and butcher our own steers so there's no shopping, but a lot of cooking of prime meat that we know is clean and unadulterated - and offal too. What we don't eat goes to the dog.

Jim

TimT

I’m guessing the ladies have a version of this.

Drunken human tenpin bowling looks fantastic fun and I’d definitely take part. It would pair nicely with drunkenly using a mate’s head as a pool cue - David shared that link a few months back, I can’t find it now, alas!

Hal

Well, that didn't take long ...

Oh, but who needs mere twit sniping when one can go straight to the lawyers?

Labour: Thornberry begins legal action over 'stupid' Brexit claims

WRIT HITS THE FAN! Labour in civil war as Emily Thornberry vows to sue ex-MP Caroline Flint for ‘making up s**t’

Stock up on popcorn, there’s much, much more vicious infighting to come!

Popcorn? Nah, this is going to be entertainment on the scale of calling in a team of caterers . . . .

Hal

It would pair nicely with drunkenly using a mate’s head as a pool cue - David shared that link a few months back, I can’t find it now, alas!!

Well, there's this one, and in another they actually get another ball into the pocket . . .

Tom

The prime rule of first world dining when it comes to vertebrates: nothing above the first thoracic vertebra and no caudal vertebrae, nothing from either the plural or abdominal cavities, nothing below the tibia and fibula. The only exception is a survival situation; this isn't the middle ages where the peasants only got the leftover bits the gentry had the sense not to eat.

Addendum No. 1: Yeah, the animal equivalent of a used oil filter, add "retroperitoneal" organs to my list above.

Addendum No. 2: ...anyone who went to a butcher and and had a choice between real meat and a kidney and chose the latter, probably shouldn't have been shopping, let alone cooking.

That's food wisdom right there folks. If I had the time and money I'd have that chiseled into marble and hang it in our kitchen.

Yet I know some people who say, for instance, they like the smell of coffee but can't stand the taste. Which baffles me, but that's their story.

I enjoy the smell of frying eggs at breakfast but cannot stand either their taste or the way they feel in my mouth. Go figure.

RHEEEEEEEEE!!! Terrorist propaganda!

Start warming up the helicopters, I've about reached the end of my rope with this krep. Honestly, a children's book about body identity is "anti-trans extremism"? We've reached levels of Orwell that shouldn't be possible - "In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary (extremist) act."

pst314

And In Foreign News

"The Left is another country."

Chester Draws

I didn't say I was a fan of Tony Blair. Unusually for a politician who won multiple elections he is pretty much universally loathed, as the effects of his decisions became apparent. I think Hitler has more fans TBH -- at least he didn't invade countries to "save" them.

My point was that he didn't have to do much to make Labour electable. Just ditch the emotional attachment to Socialism.

Trevor

I didn't say I was a fan of Tony Blair.

Chester, sorry if I gave the impression my ire was directed at you, even obliquely. It wasn't, of course - it was just the mention of that man's name!

pst34

As I recall Tony Blair was portrayed very favorably in “The Queen”, although may have missed nuances from far away across the Pond.

jones

@NTSOG

"crisps I think they're called in England"

Well they aren't French fries I can tell you.....

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