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January 12, 2020

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Trevor

A brief scan of the Twitter feed (all I could tolerate) reveals that someone defending this nonsense - and vigorously - is a Doctor (ok, psychologist) who calls himself 'centre-right'. I can't begin to imagine where this places me (and other visitors here) on the political speculum.

... an inconvenient reply is offered.

Heh!

David

Heh!

I’m not sure pulling on that identitarian thread is going to get them where they want to be.

Juliaeryn

Yes because categorising and judging people on the colour of their skin not the content of their character has just worked so well before. It's like they are trying to create more racism so then they'll have a legit cause to rail against.

David

Heh!

As we’ve seen, repeatedly, it’s a license for neuroticism and unrealism, a kind of perverse sorting fetish. It’s also a seemingly inexhaustible pretext for spite and obnoxious racial meltdowns.

But hey, “social justice.”

Juliaeryn

Waitwait, I'll have a crack:
Longines, a black, queerosexual, gammy legged man, pranced into the windchime outlet.
Yep, nothing offensive here. I'll take my accolades now

David

Note too the implied question-begging. Students are to “practice seeing which groups are included and which are not” in meetings, classroom discussions, etc. Presumably, students are to assume, or at least strongly entertain, unearned conclusions about why person X, or group X, isn’t saying much or isn’t by default given prominence in every social interaction. Which is to say, the explanation to rush to is the person’s notional group identity. And thereby victimhood.

This is, after all, the root premise of “social justice education.”

Trevor

Waitwait, I'll have a crack

Yoo-neek, a non-binary deaf-blind quadriplegic (of colour, natch - it is Current Year, people!) enters the tower at Heathrow airport, where they is in charge of air traffic control, having smashed through the reality ceiling to universal acclaim.

Burnsie

"Notice your own as well as others' level of comfort."

Because nothing, not even "Good morning" in the most benign social or workplace situation, should be spoken without first contemplating the racist, sexist, homophobic, ageist, ableist, or Islamophobic implications of your words.

That's quite the recipe for social harmony.

Author DeAngelo seems to have built for herself quite the cottage industry of "White People Bad (Except for Me)" books and articles.

Get bent, madam.

Trevor

...not even "Good morning" in the most benign social or workplace situation...

Some years ago a friend was seconded to 'work with' (read: attempt to rescue) a capital-B Black organisation whose reason for existing persistently eluded me. After being completely ignored for several days, the manager told her that they eschewed offering greetings as theirs was a 'professional' organisation focussed on hard work at all times. You know, just like all public- and voluntary-sector outfits. It's their defining characteristic.

...without first contemplating the racist, sexist, homophobic, ageist, ableist, or Islamophobic implications...

You omitted 'transphobic'. It has been noted.

Clam

Note too the implied question-begging.

That.

David

That.

By which logic, if I’m with a group of people I don’t know particularly well and the conversation turns to car engines or fishing or Etruscan pottery, and you notice that I’m not “included” in the discussion to any great extent, then you should assume or strongly suspect that this is because I’m gay (or black or whatever) and am being structurally oppressed; not because I know bugger all about car engines or fishing or Etruscan pottery.

And again, you can guess which of those answers is more likely to be encouraged and rewarded, regardless of the evasions and assumptions required to get there. In “social justice” circles, it’s the desired destination, the go-to explanation, and all but mandatory.

pst314

someone defending this nonsense - and vigorously - is a Doctor (ok, psychologist) who calls himself 'centre-right'.

A good reminder that leftists lie. After all, most communists call themselves "liberal" or "progressive" or whatever.

Adam

...this is because I’m gay (or black or whatever) and am being structurally oppressed; not because I know bugger all about car engines or fishing or Etruscan pottery....

Almost. The question is why - AS A GAY PERSON - you have been excluded from this discussion? Why is this topic of which you know nothing under discussion right now by this group? How has society excluded you from knowing about Etruscan pottery, fishing or car engines? In what ways has the subtle oppression of the Other shaped your interests and perceptions to exclude you from even wanting to know about fishing, Etruscan pottery or car engines?

AS A GAY PERSON you must empower yourself to disrupt such exclusionary discussions by engaging the group with these questions and demanding answers to them. So, if a person is saying "fuel-injection technology actually has some disadvantages to carburation", you say "why do you hate gay people?" or any similarly disruptive statement to refocus the group on the actual topic of all conversations - LGBTQ awareness and supremacy.

pst314

AS A GAY PERSON

I am indifferent to David's gayness but I am pleased at his cheerfulness.

pst314

...except when he throws my coat in the street and sets it on fire.

David

So, if a person is saying “fuel-injection technology actually has some disadvantages to carburation”, you say “why do you hate gay people?”

Heh. Well, yes, absolutely.

#SocialJusticeWhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?

Sam Duncan
Socialism…must create for itself a [new] political instrument [model of government]…actively in opposition to capitalist notions of property and individual rights. In seeking for a basis for this new instrument of socialisation Communists repudiate not only the capitalist conception of the rights of property but also the capitalist conception of individual liberty.

- GDH Cole, Chairman of the Fabian Society in the 1940s. (Found in a piece at the Cobden Centre website by Philip Vander Elst, “Labour and the Gulag: The Labour Party's Record of Support for Totalitarian Socialism”. Worth a read.)

This repudiation of individual rights in favour of collective identity (and therefore imaginary collective responsibility) isn't new; it's at the very core of socialism. Not for nothing do we who oppose both consider the far-Left and “far-right” to be essentially the same, and class them together as “collectivist”.

As a related aside, I'm increasingly of the opinion that far more important than liberty is privacy. Collectivist restrictions on liberty are merely second-order effects of the denial of privacy, and the right to a private life. They actually think they're helping “The People” become free with their pushing, prodding, and cajoling; what they really hate is privacy and private action. Only in private, among groups of your own choosing (but ultimately alone), can your identity as an individual be respected and can you be free to act as you please without interference from those you do not choose.

“theirs was a 'professional' organisation focussed on hard work at all times”

Anyone who thinks “professional” means eschewing common courtesy and pleasantry is to be avoided at all costs. In my experience, they're always terrible at their jobs. I've always considered professionalism to be the very opposite of that attitude: professional people should actively cultivate an air of friendliness and approachability towards each other and their clientele.

NielsR

It's not a 'lens', it's a filter. It leaves stuff out. Results vary.

Of course, some people use a lens cap...

Darleen

Students are to “practice seeing which groups are included and which are not” in meetings, classroom discussions, etc

EXCEPT … do NOT notice which groups are/are not included in oil drilling, highway construction, elementary school teachers, coal mining

pst314

Argh, that was supposed to be "cheerfully sets it on fire."

pst314

do NOT notice which groups are/are not included in...

crime.

David

Argh, that was supposed to be “cheerfully sets it on fire.”

Hand me your coat for a second.

Daniel Ream

Bog-standard cultural Marxism.

Economic Marxism isn't very good at stoking class resentment to the point of armed rebellion because it's just not that hard for a prole to become a bourgeois in a free market. Neo-revolutionaries had to move on to immutable biological traits as a basis for class division.

The evidence is that it's working quite well.

A cis-gendered member of the pallored patriarchy

If I'm going to start identifying people by their group attributes I'm going to need a tune-up on both my gaydar and my ESP. Unless you're going to get comfortable with the idea of being asked a lot of private and personal questions about your identity and I'll pray "easily offended by being asked private and personal questions" isn't part of your identity group.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

It's like they're Klansmen except they wear rainbow-hued gowns.

pst314

Incoming!

Bandit

Just how am I supposed to identify cis-gendered or able bodied unless I would have some actual knowledge of that?

pst314

Neo-revolutionaries had to move on to immutable biological traits as a basis for class division.

David Horowitz once pointed out, if I recall correctly, that America today has pretty much everything that the socialists of the 19th Century said they wanted. The Left is never satisfied because they left is not motivated by any sort of honest idea of what a good society should be; rather the Left is motivated by envy, resentment, hatred of normal people, and a lust for absolute power.

pst314

Just how am I supposed to identify cis-gendered or able bodied unless I would have some actual knowledge of that?

Merely asking the question (any question) proves that you are an Enemy to be destroyed.

David

Incoming!

[ Hands out combs and clip-on ties. ]

JK Brown

"Social justice is an actual impediment to acquiring human capital"
--Thomas Sowell

The insidiousness of social justice is that it is used to break the spirit and hope of its victims

https://youtu.be/LdHEbOAQFmY?list=PLq8BgDugd2oyqmYx6RdVlJfQeAdhJkhc3&t=2064

David

“Notice your own as well as others’ levels of comfort,” we’re told.

Were I surrounded by dogmatic pinheads who were compulsively categorising and sub-categorising people as an act of intersectional piety – labelling them “white cis-man,” “disabled black cis-woman” and so forth – then I’d be inclined to make my excuses while rummaging for the car keys.

Such compulsions generally being an indicator of, at best, obnoxiousness, and, not infrequently, a mind coming undone.

PiperPaul

"I’m not sure pulling on that identitarian thread is going to get them where they want to be"

Assuming they know where they want to be (beyond "destroy capitalism") or are even being sincere about where they want to be.

pst314

Farewell, Roger Scruton.

Orson Olson

The obsession with tribalism focused on imaginary similarities means the disolution of Left-Right politics. Black Pigeon Speaks has a nice lay-of-land 20 minute video freshly up,exposing this cultural rot-hut.

Tom

My initial reaction was, “this person is so full of shit on so many levels that I hardly know where to begin.” Others were able to get past this type of reaction and post some cogent comments, for which I thank them.

Another Fred

When a certain group of people is not present at a certain gathering the implication is that they are being keep out due to racism etc because the meeting is so important. But it could equally be the case that they are staying away voluntarily because the meeting is so unimportant and uninteresting to them. By insisting every meeting be perfectly balanced among various groups you are insuring that a great many people are being forced to go to a great many gatherings they’d rather have missed.

Paul Carlton

I'm confused as a white male in his early sixties because I don't know any white supremacists.

What's wrong with me and how can I become more bigoted?

Squires

Just how am I supposed to identify cis-gendered or able bodied unless I would have some actual knowledge of that?

Women with balls can be cisgender and cripples can fly.

For the truly transcendent the trick has nothing to do with dirty white HIStorical definitions of the words being produced, but rather with knowing the simple trick of identifying as someone who gets to redefine and un-define words as they wish.

Paul Carlton

Re Socialism comment above:

The Chartists had 6 demands:

1. A vote for every man twenty-one years of age, of sound mind, and not undergoing punishment for a crime.
2. The secret ballot to protect the elector in the exercise of his vote.
3. No property qualification for Members of Parliament in order to allow the constituencies to return the man of their choice.
4, Payment of Members, enabling tradesmen, working men, or other persons of modest means to leave or interrupt their livelihood to attend to the interests of the nation.
5. Equal constituencies, securing the same amount of representation for the same number of electors, instead of allowing less populous constituencies to have as much or more weight than larger ones.
6. Annual Parliamentary elections, thus presenting the most effectual check to bribery and intimidation, since no purse could buy a constituency under a system of universal manhood suffrage in each twelve-month period.

The first four of these have been met and exceeded, the fifth is held up at present by Labour and the SNP etc. and the last is rejected by voters who have no intention of facing such frequent elections.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Farewell, Roger Scruton.

From the Clown Quarter, a poet offers an opinion (backed by his pals).

Being one of our betters, he also offers us advice, "My views are my own, but they should be yours too.".

Uma Thurmond's Feet

"David Horowitz once pointed out, if I recall correctly, that America today has pretty much everything that the socialists of the 19th Century said they wanted"

I remember that back in the '30s there was some folderol about centralizing the means of production where we can go and get anything we want. Each according to our needs, I think half of the line goes.

When will we ever reach that socialist Nirvana? And then I remembered:

Amazon

pst314

Amazon

:-D

As best I recall, among the goals Horowitz enumerated were freedom to unionize and social welfare programs.

Joe Ego

Step 1: "Practice identifying patterns at the group (rather than individual) level."
Step 2: Identify the Oppressor and Victim groups - ie Objects.
Step 3: Apply Intersectionality!
Step 4: Feel free to white knight, tweet as an ally, pretend offense, or go nazi hunting as appropriate.
Step 5: Bask in your wokeness!

My favorite part about the whole thing is watching the privileged SJWs (white, cis, etc, etc) get eaten alive by the rest. You think being objectified by a man is bad? Just wait until you're treated as an Oppressor!

Joe Ego

@Another Fred

By insisting every meeting be perfectly balanced among various groups you are insuring that a great many people are being forced to go to a great many gatherings they’d rather have missed.

You're being too practical-minded. They do not want "perfectly balanced". They want a high score according to Intersectionality. Cis, white, able men score 0 on the index. A meeting can always have a higher score.

They would cheer meetings of the various company "Employee Resource Groups" (such as at mine) where you find 7 different meetings of homogenous groups of gay, asian, black, women, hispanic, etc people. Once the 0's are excluded, the next stage in the game is to remove the next lowest scores.

You'd imagine they would stop when the meeting is full of transexual, africans who are obese, crippled, and mentally ill. But if they can get to that point then what is stopping them from going even further?

H

Dr DiAngelo is apparently the coiner of the question-begging term “white fragility” - by which she means objections to pernicious racial hokum and slanderous hustlers such as herself.

LOL. That.

David

LOL. That.

It is, though, hokum, and pernicious. It’s mentally blunting and psychologically corrosive. And best understood as an act of malice.

Apparently, we’re to cultivate the habit of “naming people by their key social groups.” But which categories count? There are plenty of ways to classify people, if that’s your thing, and the categories that seem important to a person will vary. Does Dr DiAngelo acknowledge possible groupings such as diligence and IQ - or just race and sex? Because depending on the chosen filter, the “lens” being used, the answers might vary somewhat, perhaps quite dramatically.

But then, we’ve seen the lofty intellectual standards of the race-hustling industry.

Hector Drummond

Just remember, when academic leftists say 'analysis' they really mean 'spin'.

Killer Marmot

You are not an individual. You are legion, a massive gestalt defined by your identity, one not even limited by death. You, David Thompson, are every old white male who has ever existed, and you are responsible for their crimes.

So bloody well pay up for slavery reparations, you cheap bugger.

David

You, David Thompson, are every old white male who has ever existed, and you are responsible for their crimes.

It’s the old that stings.

[ Applies moisturiser. ]

pst314

Cis, white, able men score 0 on the index. A meeting can always have a higher score.

Hence the California school that was touted for being highly "diverse" because its students were nearly all black with zero whites and Asians.

Squires

And best understood as an act of malice.

They are bullies, and the old truism applies: A bully does not want to fight you. The last thing they want is a fight. What they want is control.

Shame and pain just happen to be easy to use instruments of control. False acceptance and feigned appreciation are just as effective, but more effort-intensive.

Thus such ploys as “white fragility”, or “Islamaphobia”, which use shame as an instrument to help ensure there will be plenty of opportunities for free hits.

Bill de Haan

From the twitter thread:

Lakeisha, a black crack ho with dubious personal hygiene but yet somehow manages to have five kids by three fathers, went to the store to do a little shop lifting.

This meets the requirements of the text, but would undoubtedly rejected by the authors of the textbook, no doubt with the word "problematic" included in the response.

The amusing/sad thing is that the description of the fictional Lakeisha would be dismissed as a stereotype (which it is), but "naming people by their key social group" is practically the definition of stereotyping.

Another term for what they're advocating is pre-judging, which can be abbreviated as "prejudice".

David

They are bullies, and the old truism applies: A bully does not want to fight you. The last thing they want is a fight. What they want is control.

As I said in the linked thread, it’s a reminder that the absurd and the sinister aren’t mutually exclusive. Given the overtly abusive air of such things, and the kinds of personalities attracted to them, I struggle to comprehend why any parent would allow their child to be psychologically abused in this way. In a saner world, the peddlers of this claptrap would be chased out of town by angry parents armed with nail guns.

Darleen

Related

Meet the Captain Marvel 2 writer, Kelly Sue DeConnick. She is an uber feminist, never Trumper, pro-Iranian and Islam activist… but most importantly… an avid comic book reader, massive nerd and passionate geek.

She may not be a seasoned screenwriter but what she lacks in experience she makes up for in passion.

... That should work well.

David

massive nerd

The meaning of the word ‘nerd’ seems to have been downgraded. It used to mean something along the lines of ‘someone with an exceptional interest and skill in some intellectually demanding but unfashionable area, often pursued at the expense of casual social interaction.’ Now it seems to mean ‘likes Marvel films and watches Doctor Who’.

Henry

Apparently, we will purge the world of bigotry

Regressive Left types repeatedly pull the word "bigot" out of their posterior (they appear to enjoy it), but it's not as if they actually know what the word means or anything.

It means, or used to anyway, intolerant of other views...and, well, isn't that exactly the problem with the woke brigade? That and the automatic name-calling

Sam

...Captain Marvel 2...

...wherein the protagonist finally faces an insurmountable obstacle: transitioning to male while still pulling bookoo gurrrl power bucks. Her new nemesis - Orange Man - hatches a dastardly plot in which he offers to fully pay for her surgery, while simultaneously installing bulldyke feminists within S.H.I.E.L.D.

All of which is resolved in the 3rd installment - Captain Marvel: TERF War.

Governor Squid

The meaning of the word ‘nerd’ seems to have been downgraded.

Revenge of the Nerds was a silly comedy film, mostly because nobody believed that a bunch of guys with pop-bottle eyeglasses and pocket protectors could ever be popular. The Big Bang Theory was a top-ten television sitcom for years, because everybody believed that a bunch of guys with pop-bottle eyeglasses and pocket protectors could be popular.

Turns out that by accumulating unimaginable wealth and influence, the pocket-protector crowd forced the public to reevaluate the popular opinion. (Whoda guesstit?) Hardly surprising, then, that -- to borrow a phrase from the Guardianistas -- positively everybody is a nerd today!

At this point, honestly, it would be quicker and easier to make a list of words that haven't been diluted to homeopathic fractions of their former descriptiveness.

Darleen

The meaning of the word ‘nerd’ seems to have been downgraded.

That. Plus, due to her key social group labels being front-and-center as recommendations, I'm wondering how "uber feminist, ... pro-Iranian and Islam activist" co-exist?

PiperPaul

Phil Greenspun lets us know what Harvard is reading:

https://philip.greenspun.com/blog/2020/01/13/what-folks-at-harvard-are-reading/

I went into a bit of Homophobic Gay Panic seeing the last one.

Charles Calthrop

Off topic but... wow.

https://twitter.com/rescuedaduk/status/1216673309443665920?s=21

Darleen

Off topic but.

"Brectums"?? Well, what a nice, respectful boss. Not to mention all the comments hoping he sacks them on a Friday afternoon as to create the most pain possible.

Henry

The Brexitdad "Brectums" fellow:

Assuming it's not a prank, it was not very bright of him to advertise that. Some of his mates are saying "be careful of the legality of that" heh...

Thing is, it may be quite possible to find out exactly who he is, and I'm not sure even deleting his account will work. I might tell him...after there's been time for a bit of investigation to been done

pst314

"At this point in history, is it wise to take foreign policy advice from people who walked around in broad daylight with knitted pussies on their heads?"

Daniel Ream

A bully does not want to fight you. The last thing they want is a fight. What they want is control.

You lot cringe when I mention helicopters, but this is what happens when you don't apply the Ender Wiggin response to bullies early and often.

That should work well.

The comments point out that virtually every word of the article is a lie, including and and the.

The meaning of the word ‘nerd’ seems to have been downgraded.

Portlandia PSA again.

A university friend of mine has a brother who has achieved his lifelong dream: he's currently writing and doing art for a number of major Marvel comics titles. Everyone treats him like a movie star.

I haven't the heart to point out that Marvel has literally been hiring random Titter SJWs to write their flagship titles for several years, with the result that their sales are collapsing. There's been something like a 30% attrition rate in the specialty comic shop sector over the last three years and many of the shops closing up blame Marvel destroying their own brand so badly lifelong readers are cancelling their pull lists en masse. DC appears poised to follow them into oblivion.

Darleen

blame Marvel destroying their own brand so badly lifelong readers are cancelling their pull lists en masse

Daniel, people like your friend should turn indy and sell through kickstarter (see the success of Girl Genius) or other independent press.

Look at the success of indy sci-fi/fantasy writers who got kicked to the curb when SJWs took over SFWA & Hugos. e.g. Larry Correia bought himself a mountain.

Daniel Ream

people like your friend should turn indy

Oh, he was. Got tons of projects under his belt, that's how Marvel found him. His projects are widely diversified. That's not the problem.

Look at the success of indy sci-fi/fantasy writers who got kicked to the curb when SJWs took over

This is. See, he's a good little NPC. Mouths all the platitudes, hates all the right people, has all the correct attitudes. But he's also a straight white dude d'un certain age, which means his geekery carries some...problematic baggage. One of his indy projects is about an American teenager who moves to Japan and suddenly discovers she's the Saviour of Mystical Japan or such thing. Doesn't do anything for me because I'm not a fifteen-year-old weeb, but seems all right. The art's good.

It's just a SJW minefield. Exotification, the Tarzan problem, every Japanese person fits into one of five mystical clans - basically all of Japan is Hogwarts. If the SJWs ever find this thing it's going to make that knitting lady who wanted to go to India look like a mild rebuke. Given the way ComicsGate has been going he's not going to know what hit him.

(While your point on Correia is well taken, don't forget he spent years as a tax accountant and a firearms instructor before turning writer full-time. He's made good money as a novelist, but SF writing isn't all that lucrative. And the property he bought was in rural Montana. Friend's brother lives in downtown Toronto.)

Connor

many of the shops closing up blame Marvel destroying their own brand so badly lifelong readers are cancelling their pull lists en masse

Star Trek says hold my beer.

https://twitter.com/realDailyWire/status/1216770521695584256

David

Star Trek says hold my beer.

I do wish actors would at least try to get over themselves and remember that most people turn to entertainment for escapism and pleasure, not hypocritical sermons about mass immigration. It’s hard to know whether the actual series will be as crass and heavy-handed as Patrick Stewart, whose professed politics are hardly subtle, but he does seem keen to pre-emptively alienate half of his potential audience.

And Mr Stewart’s inapt political grandstanding has been noted here before.

Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

She may not be a seasoned screenwriter but what she lacks in experience she makes up for in passion.

Worked for Ayn Rand when she wrote the screenplay to The Fountainhead.

pst314

It’s hard to know whether the actual series will be as crass and heavy-handed as Patrick Stewart

He ought to be commanding the Golgafrincham Ark B instead of the Enterprise.

Marco

If it is in fact important that I constitute and then evaluate a meeting based on which groups are represented, it is simply a fact that I will need to recruit people to the meeting based on factors like skin color or sexual orientation. "You're here because of your skin color, Tracy, not because of anything you bring as an individual." How is this not tokenism? Obviously, it is. But tokenism angers SJWs as well, so the fact is, there are no options that won't justify more SJW complaining and posturing.

WTP

On the socialism...excuse me, communism front, O'Keefe will be releasing videos this week of members of the Sanders campaign praising Stalin and his Gulags (heh, band name Stalin and the Gulags...sounds like fun) and threats of cities burning if Trump is re-elected. Good old-fashioned commie stuff.

David

so the fact is, there are no options that won’t justify more SJW complaining and posturing.

The ratcheting dynamic, whereby the rules of wokeness must continually change, becoming ever more absurd, has been noted here previously.

Governor Squid

RescueDad's pinned tweet:

- love unconditionally
- be kind
- help others
- only ever look down at someone when helping them up.
RescueDad's linked tweet: "Fuck those idiot loser Brectums! If they can't hate this kingdom as much as I do, they can go live in the gutter!"

Truly inspirational, our Moral Superiors.

tolkein

I couldn't get past the wrong usage of practice. Practice is a noun. Practise is the verb.

WTP

I couldn't get past the wrong usage of practice. Practice is a noun. Practise is the verb.

See, it's little stuff like this that really caused the unpleasantness back in 1776. Eventually these things build up and boil over.

David

Eventually these things build up and boil over.

Prepare my galleons! We sail at dawn!

pst314

Launch the coffee commando strike team! All the tea in London will be dumped in the Thames before breakfast!

Daniel Ream

Star Trek says hold my beer.

Here's some irony. Stewart's new Star Trek show only exists because Discovery, which was supposed to anchor the CBS streaming service and drive subscriptions, has tanked so badly that CBS stepped in to rescue their investment by creating a new property with presumably better fan buy-in.

Somewhere along the way, the fact that Discovery's painfully woke politics are the reason it tanked seems to have been lost.

pst314

"Stewart's new Star Trek show only exists because Discovery...has tanked so badly"

I didn't know that, although I confess that I'm tired of the Star Trek franchise regardless of how well it's written. (Old and shopworn means "no thank you" while woke means "hell no".) Fortunately there is no shortage of good books to read.

Hal

. . . as Patrick Stewart . . .

Oh, right, clearly the jukebox needs some additions, these should fit right in . . . .

Daniel Ream

Old and shopworn means "no thank you"

Roddenberry was somewhat famous for demanding absolute loyalty to the franchise from everyone involved upon pain of career ruination. Shortly after he was safely cold and in the ground, I saw an interview with Marina Sirtis in which she opined that perhaps it was time for Star Trek to go away for a while, so it could be introduced anew to a new generation. The subtext being that there was just too damn much Star Trek on TV and they'd badly saturated the market with decreasing quality (this was the middle of the Voyager run).

If only they'd listened.

It's not like there's any shortage of good SF ideas, either, even if it seems impossible for TV creators to get past Star-Trek-or-Blakes-Seven. If you can find the old Canadian-produced Outer Limits show from 1995, many of the episodes were scripts for pilots or movies that the writer couldn't sell elsewhere.

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