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April 13, 2020

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Liz

In one year, Teen Vogue’s readership has nearly halved. Less than 5% of their audience consists of actual teenagers.

So what kind of creeps are reading this shit then?

David

So what kind of creeps are reading this shit then?

Well, what kind of adult searches out a magazine with lots of sexualised content – how to masturbate, use sex toys, etc - and which is supposedly aimed at teenage girls? I doubt there’s an answer that isn’t at least somewhat unsavoury.

That far-left politics finds a welcoming home there too is, I think, something to ponder.

As Andy Ngo says, I’m not sure I would have guessed that Teen Vogue would become one of the foremost mainstream peddlers of violent and demented far-left politics. Along with tips on using butt plugs and how to get fuller eyebrows. And I have to say, as a teenager I didn’t anticipate ever finding myself in the role of Concerned Parent, albeit vicariously.

Burnsie

In one year, Teen Vogue’s readership has nearly halved.

That's very encouraging.

As an aside, it really speaks to the incandescent idiocy of the leftist media that they could have:

a) Millions of teens and pre-teens worldwide who are enthralled by the fashion world...

b) The world's most famous "brand" in fashion media, bar none...

...and still fark it up beyond all recognition. You gotta hand it to them!

Farnsworth M Muldoon

If only we had this when we were going toe to toe with the Russkies, the cold war would have been over sooner. Nothing strike fear in the hearts of a hardened enemy as gender diversity does.

“Based on a recent CAF cultural and normative shift to promote gender diversity and associated inclusiveness, CFPAS [Canadian Forces Personnel Appraisal System] writing policy and guide will also reflect this new reality where sex, gender identity, and gender expression are prohibited grounds of discrimination under the Canadian Human Rights Act. Forthwith the use of gender pronouns such as quote he/his and she/her unquote are not to be used when drafting pers. Members will be referred to by rank and name or by using gender-neutral pronouns such as they/their.”
Bill de Haan

So what kind of creeps are reading this shit then?

I doubt the authors care. Modern writers, like modern journalists, see themselves as activists, first and foremost.

They're not writing for an audience. They are lecturing to an audience, often to tell them how terrible they are.

Whether they're assigned to write a comic book, a fashion magazine, a restaurant review, or a story on the history of Greek art, they're still going to tell the story they want to tell; the actual subject matter is simply a wrapper around it.

That's why restaurant reviews talk about cultural appropriation, and comic books talk about transgender politics. And it's why the audience, who bought these pieces in order to read about restaurants or superhero stories, have stopped buying them, much to many of these authors' surprise and dismay.

Of course, when that happens, it's because the audiences are racist. Naturally.

WTP

Well, in the interests of Open Thread and Things To Ponder, can someone help me out with what it is about art that is supposed to improve us?

https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a32098106/vincent-van-gogh-stolen-painting-art-heist-robbers/?utm_source=digg

David

Coming soon.

svh

What kind of adult searches out a magazine with lots of sexualised content – how to masturbate, use sex toys, etc - and which is supposedly aimed at teenage girls?

Creepy male feminists.

Daniel Ream

Whether they're assigned to write a comic book, [...] they're still going to tell the story they want to tell; the actual subject matter is simply a wrapper around it.

I know in passing a fellow who is one of the major writers for Marvel Comics. While not as over-the-top ideological as some, he is of a type: deeply ensconced in the well-off, middle class, cultural Marxist urban bubble and also largely ignorant of the history, tone and themes of the characters and properties he's been assigned to. So yes, he's just throwing in whatever he thinks would be cool and slapping the trade dress of the current book on it. For writers who think woke issues are cool, that's what you get. In his case, you get a kind of Adventure Time/Rick and Morty-esque parody of everything he's been tasked to write.

Squires

Not quite as far gone as Rolling Stone’s rockstar photograph spread of stone-throwing jihadis, but I’m sure Teen Vogue will eventually get there.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deaths_of_Asher_and_Yonatan_Palmer

David

I do like the phrase, used over at Instapundit, the Manchurian media.

MC

Less than 5% of their audience consists of actual teenagers.

I find this enormously reassuring.

MC

https://twitter.com/RockboltG/status/1249449598617292803

Ah, the noble media, holding the powerful to account.

Anon a mouse

Well, what kind of adult searches out a magazine with lots of sexualised content – how to masturbate, use sex toys, etc - and which is supposedly aimed at teenage girls?

Hmm. I see you haven't spent much time around Capitol Hill and surrounding territory...

Burnsie

More on the 'joys' of polyamory:

https://thepostmillennial.com/polyamorous-man-featured-by-progressive-media

Presumably the baby will only have three fathers moving forward, now that father #4 is going to jail for abusing her.

Looking at this couchful of mutts, I'm scratching my head. Who could've not seen something like this coming?

David

Who could’ve not seen something like this coming?

To a large extent, modern woke politics seems to be a matter of looking at things that are clearly suboptimal, or dysfunctional, or revolting – from morbid obesity to neurosis and psychodrama, to polyamorous entanglements and cuckoldry, to the sexualising of children – and pretending it’s fine, even exemplary, something to applaud.

Jeff Wood

David, that is all consistent with r/K theory, where r people are compelled by their mental disorder to drag everything down to a corroded, insanitary level. Anonymous Conservative has constructed a compelling theory.

Anyway, even if some here have never heard of r/K, I am preaching to the converted.

David

Anonymous Conservative has constructed a compelling theory.

I’m vaguely aware of r/K theory, though I’m not familiar with Anonymous Conservative. Care to elaborate?

WTP

To a large extent, modern woke politics seems to be a matter of looking at things that are clearly suboptimal, or dysfunctional, or revolting...and pretending it’s fine, even exemplary, something to applaud.

That's not just woke politics, that's more to what has now become the broader underlying philosophy of much of western civilization. In a broader sense, the further one conforms to the concept of (what used to be considered) unconventional thinking, which itself is now effectively conventional, the greater the chance of attention, if not rewards, from academia, the news media, and the broader society. Granted, maybe not significant rewards but certainly beyond that of which they, due to the inability (for whatever reason) to address their dysfunction, would otherwise be capable of achieving. This thing has spread well beyond politics. It's just amplified by otherwise low status people, people who for the most part, due to whatever the root of their dysfunction is, are seeking status by attracting attention to themselves and mouthing a lot of words that they really don't understand but words that sound "smart".

WTP

Of course after hitting "post" I see that that my otherwise occupied OCD editing fails to catch the redundancy factor of that last sentence. Sigh...whatevers.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Hi Daniel,

Has your Marvel friend ever discussed the company’s marketing strategy with you? “Making loyal customers so angry they wouldn’t buy Marvel if the stuff was printed on toilet paper “ seems to me like a peculiar business model plan, but I’m guessing they focus-grouped their new material and all seemed to be well. Or do comic-book companies not focus-group planned new products?

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

So that guy thinks he’s a “spoke on a wheel,” does he? I think we should revive the wheel and make him the first honoree.

Squires

...and pretending it’s fine, even exemplary, something to applaud.

Many of a conservative bent accept “peace through superior firepower” as a maxim, the practice having proven effective more often than not throughout history.

Among the self-styled progressive, we see their own tangled product: “superior status can be signaled by signaling one’s egalitarianism, which is done by championing beliefs that separate oneself from the common masses of rubes who do honest work for a living (whom we are also the only true champions of when that signal suits us).

It’s all a very nice game for the dangerously insecure; the sort where the rules never need be consistent when feeling good about oneself, however briefly, is on the line.

Leftist doctrine is a kitten, and the damaged or stunted psyche is its yarn.

Paul Carlton

Not only has TeenVogue's circulation dropped, but it's not even printed anymore. Web-only like the Independent, but incredible as it seems it has only a small proportion of the Independent's web readership. Who knew that there were so many single, retired lecturers from third class institutions in Britain or that their carers allow then access to the internet? W're talking a lot of carpet slippers and old dressing gowns here.

Darleen

Oh good lord. [head-desk-head-desk ...]

WTP

Oh good lord.

My wife's brother in law sent me that. At first I thought it was from her sister. Not sure what to make of it but I told him that's quite a cherry picked list. But consider the country that has done the best job with this, all things considered including proximity and business with China, without going into complete lockdown is South Korea...run by a man. Japan as well. Though I suppose you could throw Canada in there. It's kinda sorta run by a woman.

On a positive, more uplifting note (I must not be feeling well and just don't know it yet) I found this story (from the BBC no less) about churches built in Poland under communism, mostly in the waning days, rather inspirational.

http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20200407-the-surprising-story-of-polands-extraordinary-churches

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Oh good lord...Not sure what to make of it

Indeed, what is important, and what we look at in the trade regarding this sort of thing, is cases/population as that gives a better picture of response because "death" has many factors (e.g., Italy with a gigantic geriatric population) that may be independent of "response".

For a quick look at the numbers for a few of the ladies in question...

Germany 156/100,000

Norway 126/100,000

Denmark 116/100,000

...OTOH Boris brings in the UK with 134/100,000.

IOW, doodly worth of difference, except for tiny Iceland, the grand champion at 470/100,000.

Chester Draws

There's something very peculiar about the love outside NZ of Jacinda Ardern. Those people who support her in the US, for example, would be voting Green in NZ. And she's way right of the British Labour Party. Blair would be the politician most like her, and she's miles away from Corbyn or Sanders.

They rail about Trump's "racist" wall, but NZ's moat was very restrictive before and is going to be positively North Korean for the next while. Everyone coming in will be in strict quarantine for weeks -- assuming they are allowed in at all.

Jacinda was going to raise the refugee quota to a massive 1,500 per year. Per capita that's quite large, but we're an immigrant country and we take lots more non-refugees in comparison to pretty much everywhere else too.

She just isn't the woke icon that people outside the country want to think she is.

For a long time we had Helen Clark as our Dear Leader. She was the most ruthless political operative you can imagine, once in power.

Squires

The most relevant information attached to that article was this:

“I am CEO of 20-first, a global gender-balance consultancy.”

Chester Draws

She imposed self-isolation on people entering New Zealand astonishingly early,

That, incidentally, is a blatant lie.

Trump closed the border to the Chinese on 1 February, as the first step.
He closed the border to Canada and Mexico on 21 March approx, basically finishing the seal off.

Jacinda's government closed the border permanently on 20 March. So the same time as that lazy, slow moving Trump guy.

Jacinda Ardern in New Zealand was early to lockdown

And this one is an even worse lie.

Italy went into lockdown months ago. Spain likewise.

We have just finished our second week at lockdown. In fact Jacinda held off as long as she could.

While there is a lot good about how our government is reacting, the closedown itself was a farce. We went from Level 2 -- light restrictions -- to Level 4 with only 48 hours notice. Level 3 was basically skipped. People didn't know what they were allowed to do, lots of businesses weren't able to shut down properly in that time and the schools were sent into a spin with such short notice. It was done rather badly.

If the plan was to prevent CV19 coming at all, then NZ reacted far too slowly -- we could have closed our borders and not even needed a lock down. If the plan was to let it work its way through with minimum disruption, then we closed down far too early before it had even struck.

What Jacinda did was move from one plan to another without any consultation or warning. Fair dues, it was a hard call. But inspirational, not at all.

WTP

cases/population as that gives a better picture of response because "death

While death having many causes is indeed a complication, statistically seems that could be worked out to a greater degree than cases, which especially with this great variation in intensity that this disease is reported to have, would be highly dependent on realization of having the disease to begin with, availability of tests, and actually getting tested. Among other factors.

David

Speaking of pretending.

She majored in “social justice in higher ed administration.”

David
Higher education today resembles a massive Ponzi scheme. Colleges desperately recruit ever more marginal students who stand little chance of graduating. Before their inevitable withdrawal, those students’ tuition dollars fuel the growth of the bureaucracy, which creates the need to get an even larger pool of likely dropouts through the door to fund the latest round of administrative expansion… Half of American colleges and universities lose a quarter or more of their freshman class in the first year… Conservatively, half of American college students should not be in college at all; they are neither intellectually prepared for nor temperamentally inclined toward postsecondary book learning.

Heather Mac Donald on the shamelessness of academia.

MC

@ Darleen/Chester - no surprise that someone who sells gender snake oil to gullible businesses is both unclear on the division between correlation and causation and the difference between fact and fantasy.

That said, I am very much in favour of the prime minister of Finland and it would certainly cheer me up to have her as PM. Although I'm not so keen that I'd move to Finland.

Jonathan

So what kind of creeps are reading this shit then?

"First, white (and especially 'very') liberals are far more likely than all other ideological-racial subgroups to report being diagnosed with a mental health condition."

Related

WTP

Higher education today resembles a massive Ponzi scheme.

Katie Hannigan
@katiehannigan
·
Aug 30, 2019
My friend got a degree in egyptology, but can’t get a job, So he’s paying more money to get a Phd, so he can work teaching other people egyptology. In his case college is literally a pyramid scheme.

WTP

far more likely than all other ideological-racial subgroups to report being diagnosed with a mental health condition.

Well, TBF similar can be said about those in charge of diagnosing mental health conditions.

A 2015 survey of Canadian psychiatrists found that of 487 psychiatrists who responded to a questionnaire, nearly one third (31.6%) said they had experienced mental illness, but only about 42% said they would disclose this to their family or friends.
https://www.psychiatryadvisor.com/home/topics/mood-disorders/depressive-disorder/challenging-stigma-should-psychiatrists-disclose-their-own-mental-illness/

Perhaps some mental illness is a ponzi scheme itself?

Joan

Because masked misfit sociopaths are inspirational and totes dreamy.

But David, they're just normal people - see...

https://twitter.com/DogeInCharge/status/1214620811291697152

Jonathan

" Polyamory is, like, totally cool guys..."

Oh

Daniel Ream

Or do comic-book companies not focus-group planned new products?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

Part of the problem (but only part) is that neither DC nor Marvel Comics are profitable business units, nor are they intended to be. They're both owned by larger and actually profitable media companies (Warner Entertainment and Marvel Entertainment Group/Disney). They've functioned as idea factories for decades now - their job is to come up with buzz and new takes on old characters that can be mined for TV and film treatments.

So with no profit motive or need to cater to the actual consumers of their product, both have gone off the rails and been infested by ideologues. Marvel is far, far worse than DC (Google for Comicsgate), but DC suffers from much of the same malaise to a lesser extent. The result is that writers and editors are getting hired for having a large Twitter following and the Right Opinions, and actual writing ability or knowledge of the company's IP or attempting to write something the fans might want is irrelevant.

DC's sales are slowly declining, mostly because there's just a lot more competition for that kind of entertainment dollar these days. Marvel's sales are cratering because the company has been taken over by hardcore wokerati who openly despise the company's core customer demographic and lecture to them constantly. I saw an open letter to Marvel from a comic shop owner a couple of years ago that claimed that 50% of independent comic shops had closed in ten years, and this was almost entirely due to Marvel wilfully sabotaging their own brand and causing the hardcore fans to cancel their pull lists (standing subscriptions to specific titles - the main revenue stream for comic shops).

That said, I find a lot of the incensed criticism of The Big Two's current comic offerings a bit self-important. People forget, I think, that comics were never really that good; they were quickly scribbled pulp that often featured...alarming looks into the psyche of the writers (Hard Travellin' Heroes and The Judas Contract do not stand up well to adult scrutiny). We remember the best stories through nostalgia-coloured glasses and forget that Sturgeon's Law applies. Once upon a time, when a comic title went downhill we just stopped buying it and Marvel/DC mothballed the title for a few years until a new editor decided to revive it with a new vision. Now, everyone has to REEEEEE about how their childhood is being destroyed.

Perhaps some mental illness is a ponzi scheme itself?

Virtually everyone I know who is involved in social work, counselling, psychology or psychiatry[1] has serious mental health or substance abuse problems. They go into the field as a way of coping with their own demons. What this says about their ability to help their clients is left as an exercise for the reader.

[1] Also teachers.

David

People forget, I think, that comics were never really that good; they were quickly scribbled pulp that often featured... alarming looks into the psyche of the writers

Years ago, I used to cover comics and graphic novels for the broadsheets. Problem was, there were only so many books that could conceivably justify broader interest. Very occasionally, once every few years, there’d be a Jimmy Corrigan or Marvels or something substantial. But much of the rest was wearying, adolescent tripe - and the alternative publishers, allegedly the future of the form, generally applauded themselves for churning out piles of badly-drawn navel-gazing that no bugger bought.

I exhausted my interest quite rapidly.

Sam Duncan

Nuts.”

This guy for President in 2024, please.

“They've functioned as idea factories for decades now - their job is to come up with buzz and new takes on old characters that can be mined for TV and film treatments.”

Related, if anyone's interested in a guy talking about character development in videogames for 20 minutes. (Hey, you're stuck indoors; what else are you gonna do? Work? From home? Be serious.)

“People forget, I think, that comics were never really that good; they were quickly scribbled pulp”

Very true. I never really liked American comics growing up. It wasn't until I was in my '20s and they were considered cool that I paid any attention.

I could never understand why they aren't funny. I discovered a few old copies of the Beano the other day. Now, that's a comic. I don't know who'd win in a fight between Superman and Bananaman, but we'd all have a good laugh finding out.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

While death having many causes is indeed a complication, statistically seems that could be worked out to a greater degree than cases...

To some extent, assuming you have an accurate cause of death which, in this case if you are asymptomatic but get hit by a bus you are a COVID death, can be a bit questionable.

The difficulty is the constant oversimplification, and just looking at one metric is often misleading, for example, a typical "journalist" just looking at the number of deaths would conclude that the Mayo Clinic is a death trap compared to the East Possum General Hospital because more people die at the Mayo, completely ignoring the fact that the reason the Mayo is the Mayo is they wind up with the most complicated and serious cases.

To analyze something like this (or accidents, shootings, being hit by a meteor, etc) one really needs to look at incidence (all new cases in a given time), prevalence (existing cases in a given time), and the various death and mortality rates (not the same thing). Prevalence can be either point or period, the distinction being, oddly enough, the length of time considered. In the case (NPI) of COVID, or any other newly identified disease, initial prevalence and incidence are essentially the same.

Below are some examples of incidence (new cases/population at risk), cause specific mortality rate (dead from cause/population at risk) and case fatality rate (ratio in metric - dead/diagnosed). For this, "population at risk" is considered to be everybody, as opposed to something like sickle cell disease that is obviously not everyone.

Iceland: 470/100,000   2.3/100,000   0.5

Germany: 156/100,000   3.7/100,000   2.4

UK: 134/100,000   17/100,000   12.6

Switzerland: 298/100,000   13/100,000   4.5

Italy: 266/100,000   34/100.000   12.8

US: 171/100,000   7/100,000   4.1     US less NYC metro 167/100,000   4.4/100,000   2.5

However, as you point out, it can be difficult to know who is actually a case so the numerator for incidence can be off, as can the denominator for case fatality rate.

Looking at all the numbers one can start actually to analyze things - why is Iceland different ? Tiny population, mass testing ? UK - I blame the NHS, but the reality is probably not enough testing, for which I blame the NHS. Italy, we pretty much know why. US - avoid NYC (always good advice).

The point is one has to look at everything, if you just look at incidence, Iceland is a hotbed of disease from which no one dies, except their cause specific mortality rate (if you look at lots and lots of countries) isn't that much different. Germany is the shiznitz per the article, but nearly identical to The Great Satan outside of NYC, so maybe Merkle really isn't all that (snap).

David

This just in.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

A quick follow up on "journalists" not looking at the whole picture...

South Dakota is now a "hotspot"

Iowahawk reponds...

      SoDak vs. NYC
Population     880k   8.6mm
CV-19 cases     850   105k
per 100k          95   1300
deaths              6   7000
pop/sq mi       12   25k
subway closures     0   0

Daniel Ream

if anyone's interested in a guy talking about character development in videogames for 20 minutes.

I couldn't watch the whole thing because I'm not done Spider-Man yet and didn't want to ruin the ending, but I'm not surprised by the feminist adolescent power fantasy version of Silver Sable.

Fun fact: in a recent YouTube clip, Gordon Ramsey hosted Ronda Rousey for some reason. After some banter and cooking an arm wrestling match broke out. Ramsey is a 53 year old chef. Rousey is a 33 year old former MMA and current pro wrestler and body builder. Ramsay didn't even break a sweat and taunted her the whole match before just slapping her arm down.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Horrifying new news about the Peking Pulmonary Pox, how anyone will be able to survive this is a mystery.

MC

comics were never really that good

Indeed. And now their childish nonsense seems to infect everything.

I never liked US comics when I was a kid. I seem to remember a friend having some X-men series that were good, but that's it. But what do you expect when the whole thing is based on one idea? 'Wouldn't it be cool if you could.....?'

I find the continued roll of Marvel/DC film and TV shite both tedious and depressing.

However, I was a big fan of 2000AD as a teenager and I reckon you'd find more ideas in one issue than in a decade of Marvel's output. It's a real shame more 2000AD stuff hasn't been used for film or TV, although it did nurture writers such as Alan Moore and Garth Ennis.

Alice

This just in.

Please tell me that's a parody.

David

Please tell me that’s a parody.

[ Peers over spectacles, feigns air of mystery. ]

David

However, I was a big fan of 2000AD

2000AD never really thrilled me in quite the same way as those rotary racks of imports. For several years as a wee seedling, it was difficult to walk past a comic rack without rummaging for treasure. I remember, around the time Star Wars was in cinemas, being wowed by Michael Golden’s art on Mister Miracle. On the last day of a seaside holiday, I wanted something to read on the journey home. Alas, I’d ploughed through the good stuff by midweek – dozens of the things – and was reduced to buying an issue of Black Orchid.

WTP

Farnsworth, agree pretty much with all of your points. (for the record, I don't agree with anyone on everything ever...even myself). My go-to on much of this is the Diamond Princess study, but that one is getting a little long in the tooth by rapidly developing information. Yet OTOH, I have yet to see anyone refute it and I still see it referenced in more recent material. I am looking forward to more concrete analysis/studies based on serological testing as it becomes more available.

Also, another monkey wrench I have yet to seen get thrown in, Bayesian statistics. Which I find most interesting because laboratory test for disease is pretty much the textbook example presented in nearly every...umm...textbook. Though I've often suspected the examples given exaggerate/massage the false positive/negative values for dramatic effect. So maybe that's why. Though politically speaking...

Lancastrian Oik

I could never understand why they aren't funny.

Well, I think some of them were:

Howard-the-Duck-first-appearance

Marvel in the mid-70s often indulged in self-satire, especially when Steve Gerber was scripting.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

WTP, the main difficulty with the Diamond Princess studies is that it is hard to extrapolate the numbers to the general population given the crew were mostly younger males (and one would assume free of any serious pre-existing conditions), the passengers skewed to the elderly and about 50/50 male to female, and able to afford being on a cruise ship. IOW, not exactly a typical cross section of most places in the world. The small population is also a problem - incidence is 167/1000, cause specific mortality 1.9/1000, and CFR 1.1.

Of course that translates to 16729/100,000 for incidence, and 189/100,000 for cause specific mortality rate, if you want to go with /100K to match a country, a patently absurd trying claim that could translate to the rest of the world. The CFR is still the same, though, which shows why it is useful.

Nikw211

Surprise ending.

David

Surprise ending.

Well done, dad. And as someone notes in reply, it’s curious how the gangsta patois suddenly evaporates when dad is there.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

During the mid to late 1980s, I blew a lot of my time and money at the comic book shop.

OK boomer

Shut up.

I never cared for Marvel / DC. I wanted the alternatives, and it seems, looking back, it was a golden age for all kinds of comics. I got into the reprints (Steve Canyon, Prince Valiant), the weird underground stuff -- Dori Seda, of blessed memory; R. Crumb's collected works being reprinted by Fantagraphics -- and the really weird indie stuff: Reid Fleming, world's toughest milkman; Cerebus; Elfquest; Omaha the Cat Dancer; Matt Howarth's Post Brothers; American Splendour; Cutey Bunny; Love and Rockets; Sandman; Alan Moore's stuff.

The only mainstream stuff tended to be out there as well, like Bill S.'s Electra, the Duck; and the Batman revival under Miller.

I don't buy comics anymore (my first wife was appalled the first time I took her to the store with me) and time moved on. I still buy the Girl Genius volumes at the local comic store, and the occasional Deadpool, but I can't muster the interest (and the money) to go beyond that.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

While it was fun nattering on about my wastrel childhood, I would still recommend the above books, should anyone care to try. Elfquest probably wouldn't hold up, and Omaha went off the rails after the first dozen issues, but I still think they're worth reading, if you like that sort of thing.

Quint&Jessel, Sea of Azof, Bly, UK

Reid Fleming still holds up. Sandman does, too. Alan Moore and Jacen Burrows did a wonderful job with Providence, which is sort of about how HP Lovecraft happened.

Steve E

Well done, dad.

Agreed. It's interesting how today we praise an act that would have been common place when I was that boy's age. Unfortunately there are as many or more parents today who would go down to the store to give the employees more abuse for "mistreating" their spawn.

Steve E

I blew a lot of my time and money at the comic book shop.

The only comic book I read with any regularity was "Archie." I just never got into them. Instead, I spent my hard earned money on Mad Magazine, Cracked, National Lampoon and the odd monster magazine. One summer at my Uncle's cottage I discovered Alfred Hitchcock Mystery Magazine and Ellery Queen Mystery and I've been a reader ever since.

Governor Squid

Met the girl who would eventually become my wife by chatting over an issue of Sandman in college. And deep in the bottom of a drawer somewhere are my treasured ancient t-shirts: The Tick strolling in front of a bunch of ninjas cleverly disguised as a hedge; Death (from The High Cost of Living); and I Survived Jaka's Story.

The years on either side of 1990 really were a magical time at the comics shop.

Governor Squid

Oh good lord...

This bit especially jumped out at me: Norway’s Prime Minister, Erna Solberg, had the innovative idea of using television to talk directly to her country’s children.... Solberg held a dedicated press conference where no adults were allowed. She responded to kids’ questions from across the country, taking time to explain why it was OK to feel scared.

For the children. Sure, of course. No way on Earth that was about infantilizing one's electorate while maintaining plausible deniability when the few remaining adults protested against the insult...

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Hi Governor Squid,

I like the idea of hedge ninja!

Zionist Overlord #73

@Daniel Ream
Re:
. I saw an open letter to Marvel from a comic shop owner a couple of years ago that claimed that 50% of independent comic shops had closed in ten years, and this was almost entirely due to Marvel wilfully sabotaging their own brand and causing the hardcore fans to cancel their pull lists

Any chance of a link to that? Google found me a hundred open letters to Marvel, but not the one you mentioned...

David

Met the girl who would eventually become my wife by chatting over an issue of Sandman in college.

Around 20 years ago, I dragged The Other Half into a couple of comic shops, by then largely out of nostalgia. I wouldn’t say he was enthused so much as patient and resigned. A couple of years later, he asked, rather cheerfully, if I wanted to go for a drive. We ended up in the car park outside an unglamorous electronic oddments shop. Clearly, some kind of payback.

And they say romance is dead.

Governor Squid

Likewise, though in my case the time was spent looking at a bewildering selection of colours and thicknesses of knitting yarns.

pst314

Norway’s Prime Minister, Erna Solberg, had the innovative idea of using television to talk directly to her country’s children.... Solberg held a dedicated press conference where no adults were allowed.

Am thinking of Koko the Clown for some reason.

spinny

Growing up through the 70's I loved the British comics: Dandy, Beano. They were just fun... Our neighbour was a cleaner for an American family who had a son a few years older than me and his Marvel/DC comics used to find their way to me when he'd finished with them. I didn't think much of it at the time as I was too busy out enjoying myself, but thinking back now, don't all those american comics have some sort of religious significance? - Some all-conquering super-being is going to arrive and save the world..... I couldn't handle it at Sunday school and see no reason to think differently now.

Daniel Ream

don't all those american comics have some sort of religious significance? - Some all-conquering super-being is going to arrive and save the world.

That pretty much only describes Superman. Arguably Thor.

Daniel Ream

Any chance of a link to that?

IIRC, it was shown on the Diversity in Comics/Comics MATTER YouTube channel.

Russtovich

I’m vaguely aware of r/K theory, though I’m not familiar with Anonymous Conservative. Care to elaborate?

Ahem:

http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/

At the same site, the theory:

https://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/the-theory/rk-selection-theory/

Cheers

David

Ahem

Thanks.

Lady Cutekitten of Lolcat

Daniel, that’s quite surprising. Most companies test and focus-group every new product. No wonder Marvel isn’t doing so well.

Jonathan
"The Better Half by Sharon Moalem review – on the genetic superiority of women

Women live longer than men. We know Covid-19 is killing more men than women. This book is an antidote to the myth of the ‘weaker sex’."

This Book sounds pretty transphobic to me.

David
“Do you want to know the facts?”

“No. I said something at you. I wasn’t looking to interact.”

Speaking of Antifa.

NateWhilk

Farnsworth M Muldoon quoted: "Forthwith the use of gender pronouns such as quote he/his and she/her unquote are not to be used when drafting pers. Members will be referred to by rank and name or by using gender-neutral pronouns such as they/their."

Remember when Jordan Peterson talked about "compelled speech"?

Governor Squid

I'm just trying to imagine how tedious it's going to be when we all have to phrase our observations as, "General Woke's head is so far up General Woke's backside that General Woke needs to unbutton General Woke's jacket in order to inspect General Woke's troops."

Or should it be troupe? It's so hard to tell any more.

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