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June 06, 2020

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Steve E

Readers may note just how often leftism is functionally indistinguishable from sociopathy.

Post modernism saved the left. After the utter and abject failure of Marxism as documented by Solzhenitzen, people like Derrida and Foucault picked it out of the dustbin, wiped it off and gave it new life (ironic for leftism) by saying that logic didn't exist and all facts were relative. So, yes, when your core belief system allows you to dismiss anything that would tie up most people in logical knots, sociopathy becomes an apt description of what's going on.

David

It’s strange just how often, and proudly, leftists will insist that others should tolerate, even welcome, the kinds of violation that they themselves would find outrageous if similarly targeted. From the recreational vandalism of other people’s homes to rioting and mob thuggery, and burglary, and armed mugging… the list is quite extensive.

Steve E

I particularly enjoyed the video (someone posted earlier this week) of the man screaming from his now shattered window that he was on the side of the protestors. Then there was the one where some pious celebrity prat cheered on the burning until he found out the mob was just outside the gates of his very expensive dwelling, then it was where are the cops, we need some protection.

Which raises another question, just what do the think will happen if they de-fund and shut down the police? I don't think they'll enjoy the 24/7 block parties that would break out.

a different james

Which raises another question, just what do the think will happen if they de-fund and shut down the police?

I think we have seen western countries jump several steps to the left in the last week and I don't think those steps will be reversed.

I remember watching Britain lose its collective senses upon the death of Diana and being unable to relate in any way to what I was seeing.

I had that same feeling watching the news and reading the papers this week. There is no logic or intellectual basis to what we have been watching.

I find it terrifying as I am beginning to think that the only way out of this is to let it burn and see what emerges from the ashes.

David

As I said in the previous thread,

It occurs to me that society will always have a generous supply of thugs, degenerates and outright sociopaths – they will always have to be recognised and dealt with. A functional society can generally cope with this. But we also have a mainstream media that in significant part, along with much of our educational establishment, appears determined to inhibit and deflect any such inclination. Our social immune system, as it were, has apparently been compromised.

And so, the kinds of predatory, vindictive, pathological behaviour that one would expect to be discouraged and have corrective consequences are often excused, grotesquely minimised, or actively rewarded and thereby encouraged. Usually in the name of “social justice.” And likewise, our glittering celebrities, the ones who consider themselves woke and therefore glorious, raise bail money for thugs, arsonists, looters, rioters and assorted sociopaths, rather than for the victims of that sociopathic behaviour.

As a measure of the times, and of wokeness in particular, it’s quite… interesting.

sH2

'Related'...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/378292/

David

Also somewhat related.

Jay Guevara

Which raises another question, just what do the think will happen if they de-fund and shut down the police? I don't think they'll enjoy the 24/7 block parties that would break out.

In phase one. In phase two, committees of vigilance will mete out summary street justice to those suspected of malfeasance, who will then yearn for police protection.

Recall that the U.S. has more guns than people. I am unusual amongst my friends in not being armed. But I'm thinking about it. Police departments are not equipped to protect citizens from wholesale criminality. At that point, it's every man for himself and his family.

NTSOG

Defund the police? I'm reminded of a strike by police in Melbourne, Victoria, Australia in 1923:

From Wiki: "On Friday and Saturday nights riots and looting occurred in the city, resulting in three deaths, trams being turned over, plate glass windows being smashed and merchandise looted from stores. Constables on point duty were jeered at and harassed by people until they retreated to the Town Hall, where the crowd taunted them to come out. Tramways staff and uniformed sailors helped to direct traffic in the absence of police."

Now here's the interesting part: "The rioting and looting was quickly attributed to Melbourne's criminal element by all of Melbourne's newspapers, but subsequent court records show that most of the offenders who were apprehended were young men and boys without criminal histories."

This reminds me of the current problems with middle class Caucasian thugs from Antifa. No society can survive without some form of policing, but I'll be damned if I will tolerate thugs such as the members of the extreme socialist left from street gangs like Antifa policing society.

Jim

Jay Guevara

The thing I find remarkable about the "defund the police" nonsense is that that experiment effectively has already been done, specifically in New Orleans post-Katrina.

I understand that the hard Left knows that chaos will erupt, which of course is their goal. ("The worse, the better," as Lenin famously wrote re the 1896 famine in Russia.)

But the amazing thing is that law-abiding albeit none-too-bright people subscribe to it despite New Orleans' experience. Apparently running with the herd trumps ratiocination.

Alexb

Can we have Friday Every day?
Asking for a friend .

Fay

Where be this week's Ephemera?

Peachy

What happens?

Richard Nixon wins 49 states. Rudy Giuliani becomes Mayor of New York. Richard Riordan becomes Mayor of Los Angeles. Black Democratic leaders demand tough-on-crime laws - and Democratic politicians like Joe Biden and Bill Clinton eagerly write and sign them.

And in 25 years we'll be right back where we are now.

pst314

What happens?

Expect leftist mob violence as election day comes nearer, especially at the Republican National Convention but also at smaller events. Expect firebombings, tire slashings, invasions of campaign offices, and so on.

Hal

Where be this week's Ephemera?

[ Drapes suspiciously discoloured bunting above bar. ]

Hal

Expect leftist mob violence as election day comes nearer, especially at the Republican National Convention but also at smaller events

Um, Mebbe . . . .

By whom? From whom? Where?

Protest occurrences, yes, but . . . .

pst314

There have been assaults at campaign events in previous years, Hal. Also tire slashing, etc. I expect this year to be worse.

Hal

Ephemera?

Not this week, alas.

UNIX Introduction || What Is Unix, and Why Does It Matter? || Unix History || We're gonna need a bigger screen. || Thus Spake Britannica

Hal

I expect this year to be worse.

Protest occurrences, yes, but . . . .

Hal

Protest occurrences, yes, but . . . .

What should be rather intersting is watching the convention sites and occurrences wading their way through assorted C-19 restrictions and requirements . . .

We want everyone to come here and share in our celebration!!!!!-----Errrr, well, at least no closer than ~6 feet apart . . . .

---Rince, repeat, rince, repeat . . . .

Ed Bo

NTSOG cites the Melbourne police strike of 1923 and the chaos that immediately resulted.

The same thing happened in the Montreal police strike of 1969, resulting in the "night of terror".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murray-Hill_riot

But I guess Australia and Canada are renowned as especially violent countries...

Anybody have other examples?

Hal

. . . . believes that looting, theft, and destruction are all part of this essential tapestry of protest.

'Strategic' well-orchestrated heists seen amid protest chaos

“It was a game of whack-a-mole,” Lopez said.

. . . .

Kelly, from the Alameda County Sheriff’s Office, said . . . “Some of the burning was done out of anger and that was understandable,” he said. “But the strategic looting was definitely for personal gain. It was not to push forward the community concerns around police brutality and reform.”

GandalFish

Has Hal kidnapped David? Will the henchlesbians mount (!) a successful rescue? Stay tuned for the next exciting episode of...

Fred the Fourth

Unix...
Speaking of vigorous trademark enforcement, somewhere I have an old article from IEEE Spectrum, with the usual first page footnotes about copyrights. Which includes "and UNIX, although not mentioned in this article, is a trademark of AT&T."

Daniel Ream

I find it terrifying as I am beginning to think that the only way out of this is to let it burn and see what emerges from the ashes.

One of the problems with having a minor in history is being able to to look around and realize 1) that it's 410 AD and 2) that there's nothing anybody can do about it.

Daniel Ream

What Is Unix, and Why Does It Matter?

One of the problems with having a degree in computer science is being able to understand what a horrendously awful OS Unix is.

Don't even get me started on Linux.

JuliaM

We can always rely on 'Guardian' journalists showing their true colours:

https://twitter.com/suzanneT44/status/1269374873303945216

Hal

. . . what a horrendously awful OS Unix is.

Don't even get me started on Linux.

Ooh, data!

For the sake of bickering reporting and assessing reasoned observations, feel free to get started on both, including commentary on MS and Android.

---I run FreeBSD on my desktops.

I currently run Kubuntu on my laptops just to A) get KDE on the screen to install fast and let me just Get Stuff Done, and B) Kubuntu will go looking for a wireless connection, as tended to be needed with laptop portability. ---FreeBSD, being focused on hardwired server Stuff, is somewhat so-so for getting wireless connectivity Just Occurring . . . .

NTSOG

@ Ed Bo: I read the Wiki article about the Canadian "night of terror". What impressed me especially was this:

"Steven Pinker, the psychologist who was born and grew up in Montreal recalled how the wildcat police strike and the lawlessness that followed changed his views:

"As a young teenager in proudly peaceable Canada during the romantic 1960s, I was a true believer in Bakunin's anarchism. I laughed off my parents' argument that if the government ever laid down its arms all hell would break loose. ... By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted, before city authorities had to call in the army and, of course, the Mounties to restore order. This decisive empirical test left my politics in tatters (and offered a foretaste of life as a scientist)."

Society cannot exist without ordered and predictable structure and the ability of the majority to maintain it, by force if necessary, for the good of all, not just the most powerful, opportunistic, self-indulgent and aggressive. It's the toddler-like self-indulgence of the modern virtue proclaiming mobs that offends me most.

Jim

David

We can always rely on ‘Guardian’ journalists showing their true colours

I’ll leave this here as a reminder of some other ‘protestors’ and their leftist cheerleaders.

David

Note that Professor Dávila carefully sidesteps the countless scenes of feral violence against random people, including elderly women, even terrified animals, and wants us to imagine that the rioting and looting and arson have been neatly confined to “luxury stores,” and is therefore, somehow, acceptable, even righteous. Something to applaud. Of course, this is a lie, as hours of video footage demonstrate. But it’s interesting how our dishonest woke educator, our teacher of other people’s children, seems to believe that the property of the owners of those stores, and the livelihoods of the people they employ, and the ongoing nightmare for the people who just live nearby, or in the same smashed and burning buildings… well, they don’t matter.

Hal

I laughed off my parents' argument that if the government ever laid down its arms all hell would break loose. ... By the end of the day, six banks had been robbed, a hundred shops had been looted, twelve fires had been set, forty carloads of storefront glass had been broken, and three million dollars in property damage had been inflicted,

The Few And The Proud is a book by Larry Smith which interviews and tells of twentieth century USMC drill instructors. One interview that Smith did was with retired Colonel Robert Mastrion.

When I first spoke with Col. Mastrion in the spring of 2005, he immediately began discussing the best way to form a functioning Marine Corps and explained how the Corps encountered problems with personnel at the end of the Vietnam era. "There's a reason why we can consistently turn out good fighters in the Marine Corps and that's because we eliminate the problem children right off the bat," he said. "But you gotta understand human nature. For example, take a piece of paper and draw a line across the page midway down. Then draw a vertical line right down the middle. Mark 50 percent at the point where the two lines intersect. Then mark 60, 70, and so on in 10-percent increments up to the top. Mark 40, 30, 20, and 10 going down from the center point.

"Now, in any organization or group or kindergarten or college classroom or business, you've always got about 3 percent that are incorrigible son-of-a-bitches, that's from 0 to 3 percent. And there is nothing, absolutely nothing, that you can do with these people because they're just selfish, absolutely selfish. Think back to your days in high school. You always had people getting in trouble but it was usually a real small group of guys---or usually just one---that would always be doing things to get in trouble. You just have to leave these people alone. I ran a business here in Charleston after I retired, and I'm now retired from that, but the one thing I always looked for was the 3 percenters. And from 3 to 10 you've got what I call the 7 percenters. They are essentially the same as the 3 percenters, except they are not as active. They're more like followers, but, given half a chance, they'll become 3 percenters. And from 10 to 20 percent, you've got people who tend toward being 7 or even 3 percenters, but they're mostly passive. And if the 3 percent get control enough to influence the 7 percent, then the 10 percent will move that way also. That's always with you, so you got to watch that.

At the other end of the group, at the top, you've got about 20 percent who will do no wrong. They'll do good no matter what. As for the 60 percent in the middle, they'll go whichever way looks like will benefit them the most. So you're in a constant battle for that 60 percent. Now, in the Marine Corps, the 3 percenters are usually weeded out by the recruiters, who also reject most of the 7 percenters. The recruiters watch this like hawks, because, if a recruit doesn't make it through boot camp, they get nailed, they get a black mark on their records. We say we are looking for the few good men, but what we're also doing is picking out the bad guys and eliminating them. So right off the bat we have an advantage that a draft-driven army never has, because we chop off those 3 and 7 percenters.

"We still have 8 or 9 percent attrition in boot camp. The turds are the guys from 10 to 20 percent and we weed them out in recruit training. Demands for a spirit of cooperation and unselfishness weed out the 10 to 20 percenters, for the most part. The goal is to eliminate that whole cadre, because that is what undermines an organization.


Jonathan

The Ayrabs be protectin' they stores wi' AK47's!

'Undocumented shopper' laments inability to obtain free stuff.

via Steve Sailer

Hal

The Ayrabs be protectin' they stores wi' AK47's!

Siiiiiiigggggghhhhhh.

Obviously the store owners are utterly, totally, absolutely incorrect.

As everyone knows, noting the likely continental location, they should be carrying AR-15s.

pst314

Protest occurrences, yes, but . . . .

And yet, to repeat myself, violence directed at Republicans and conservatives of various stripes has been a frequent enough occurrence in recent years.

pst314

The Ayrabs be protectin' they stores wi' AK47's!

"I'm out here on 75th and Stony across the street. They let these people come ou

I hope people are saving copies of this video for when it "disappears".

[+]

Shots fired.

https://twitter.com/Steve_Sailer/status/1269484016568164353

Severian

Readers may note just how often leftism is functionally indistinguishable from sociopathy.

A kind of secondhand sociopathy, though. I spent many years in academia (praise Buddha for early retirement), and saw a lot of this. The outrage du jour is always met with urgent calls for "faculty statements" about it, which of course are designed to fan the flames... but only so long as the faculty isn't required to do anything other than make statements. They'd no more consider participating in the riot themselves than they would living among the people they champion. It's always secondhand, the classic ploy of the last unattached girl at the bar at closing time: "How about you and him fight?" They approach life like it's one of those interactive TV shows from Fahrenheit 451 (the novel) -- "what do you think we should do next, Mrs. Montag?"

David

And it just wouldn’t be a thread without a self-satisfied Laurie Penny begging a question of some kind.

‘Your guilt will be established one way or another.’ I’m paraphrasing, but only just.

An alternative view can be found here.

WTP

Exchange between myself and wife's cousin who is an architecture professor at a historically black college:
(Original post he put up stated:
"If a Trump supporter wants to you to back up something you said with facts, they're lying.

They want you to waste your time on an explanation they will not accept. If they liked facts they would not be Trump supporters.

IT'S USELESS ARGUING WITH TRUMP SUPPORTERS")

Me: Seriously? You are a professor at a university and you do not see the logical fallacies in such a statement? Really Mick? I would have thought such poor reasoning skills were beneath you. This is certainly not helping the situation.

Mick: poor reasoning skills are at the base of most trumpites and while I didn’t make this post, this comment is actually based on my experience in trying to have a rational conversation with those that I know who support Orangeman

Friend of Mick: What are the logical fallacies here? Fallacies are flawed arguments -- if you see the claims as arguments, you are assuming premises that are not stated, -- but that's y o u r assumption. Of course you can question the claims, which are generalized, based on experiences, and can be challenged by different experiences, by others.

Me: It's circular logic. It starts with a blanket statement that itself is unsupported by reason or a sense of open mindedness. This sort of school yard tactic is fine for children. Shameful in grown adults, especially those entrusted with the education of our youth. Shutting down conversations right off the bat by saying that all people who disagree with you are liars simply because some subset of those people lied (which grown ups understand that there are liars in every subgroup) is not going to get us anywhere. This right here is the root of so many of our problems. An inability to accept that someone else's point of view is illegitimate based on some similar person's flawed reasoning. It's a strawman kind of argument.

Mick: no not accepting on flawed reasoning but inability to reason or be willing to accept literal facts.

Friend of Mick: Again: The statements are not arguments. And I am not saying I agree with them, or that they should be considered to be generally true. But the tactic of calling them circular logic, logical fallacies and schoolyard tactic is more like what you are deploring -- not going to the substance of the claims, nor to the 'anywhere' you seem to claim we should be going. A perhaps useful different direction to turn around to is to examine whether the experiences (that we could gather and list) that lead to the carelessly generalized statement are indicating a frequent or preferred strategy of Trump defenders.

Things (obviously) go south from there as Mick's Electrian and ex-cop brothers, Trump supporters, respond to him as well.
H

NY TIMES OP-ED: White people should stop talking to relatives until they support BLM.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/378425/

'Paper of record'

pst314

Oops, I messed up my earlier comment at 12:29. The excerpts from that linked video should have been:

"I'm out here on 75th and Stony across the street. They let these people come outside with they AK-47. AK-47s to protect they stuff from black people! They ready to kill black people!
. . .
this wat the minister be talkin about...and they ready to kill black people for this cheap ass stuff from China
. . .
Allah goin to burn this place down!
. . .
Black lives matter, muthafucka!"

David's remarks about sociopathy bear repeating.

aelfheld

The conceit that slavery was ever and always a circumstance of blacks, and no others, being enslaved is tedious beyond belief.

Daniel Ream

They approach life like it's one of those interactive TV shows from Fahrenheit 451 (the novel) -- "what do you think we should do next, Mrs. Montag?"

I was utterly gobsmacked when I saw Netflix doing exactly this.

blacks, and no others

I garner a great deal of amusement from pointing out to Canadian progressives that the only institutionalized slavery we ever had here was among the indigenous tribes before the White Man showed up and put a stop to it.

Steve E

...the only institutionalized slavery we ever had here was among the indigenous tribes...

Daniel, they love it at Joseph Brant Museum when you ask how many slaves Brant owned. There's no word of it anywhere in the museum. If you push hard enough they will tell you that they were more like workers than slaves and they came with him willingly from the U.S.

The record suggests he owned as many as 30 slaves, most of them black. Purchased in the U.S. and brought to Canada after the War of Independence.

TimT

If I take it for granted that the police system in the US is badly corrupt - some of the examples of violence we’re seeing on social media are pretty extreme - I don’t see that the protesters are offering a solution. What, do they want a return to vigilante justice? It seems the only alternative.

I did see one digital acquaintance sharing a pamphlet about how the police could be abolished in the movement to some pacifist state, but it was all very utopian stuff - and the same person sharing this was happy to defend rioting and looting, in fact anyone who demurred from this was according to them happy to see black people die. So I wasn’t inclined to give it much attention.

Daniel Ream

Daniel, they love it at Joseph Brant Museum when you ask how many slaves Brant owned.

I appear to have found next weekend's outing entertainment.

Darleen

Decolonize your bookshelf.

#defundNPR

Darleen

The Ayrabs be protectin' they stores wi' AK47's!

I wonder if anyone told her about Rooftop Koreans.

Pooklord

Daniel " . . . what a horrendously awful OS Unix is."

The true measure of any OS is it's utility--which makes your statement especially absurd.
Then again, if you were a student of computer science, it probably makes sense to you.

Daniel Ream

The true measure of any OS is it's utility

I see you're unfamiliar with the economic concept of accumulated advantage.

Put in terms a non-student of computer science can understand, VHS is a horrendously awful format - but it's the one everyone used.

WTP

Put in terms a non-student of computer science can understand, VHS is a horrendously awful format - but it's the one everyone used.

Vi! EMACS! Eclipse! NetBeans! Spark! Flink! XML! Json! YAML! Religious arguments get absurdly tiresome. All software sucks after it's been released for 6 months, a year, whathaveyou. I've really grown to hate this business mostly because the hype is almost always overdone and then the new thing comes along, fixes current problems by reintroducing old ones. And everyone pretends like none of it is happening except in the context of "your religion bad". And that mostly based on some article written by a guy who if he really spent the time necessary to sufficiently understand the new thing in every conceivable context in which it might be used, there's no way he would have the time or be in the position to write the article. Bullshit. It makes the world go 'round I suppose. Sure as hell isn't love.

David

Decolonize your bookshelf.

Some people really do want to wallow in their pretensions of victimhood.

Hal

The true measure of any OS is it's utility

I see you're unfamiliar with the economic concept of accumulated advantage.

Put in terms a non-student of computer science can . . .

Lesseee . . . I have a copy of W7 running on one of my desktops for the occasions that I need to get some particular Something done, and a Win install is the faster way to get it done. I do own a copy of W10 for assorted research Stuff, where I've been reading of the ongoing fiasco of the ongoing upgrades its been doing, along with the apparent drift to a subscription variety system. And when I run into instances of W10 out in the wild, Oy, what a bloated monstrosity.

---And then when I don't need the W7 running, I swap OSes on that desktop with a shutdown and shift of cable from one OS drive to another. The standard operational OS is FreeBSD, and a third drive currently runs Kubuntu---again, get the KDE up simply to allow a fast install and get back to the assorted actual project work.

I have the FreeBSD running 'cause it's a monolithic development OS, as opposed to the Linux model of the random distribution of the hour an' hopefully things will keep working and didn't get broken from distro version to another. Then again, with an apparent faster development time of assorted software packages in Linux, there is the Linux emulation layer that is built into FreeBSD, and where my current weekend project is to get to the bottom of getting random Linux Stuff running on a FreeBSD box

---The faster development time in Linux isn't from Linux being better---there's this infernal internal thing Linux has called systemd that I keep reading complaints about---, but rather that Linux has the greater visibility and more people poking at things.

Effectively, as far as development work getting done, yes, the pyramid is indeed MS being the big fat thing at the bottom that everyone has heard of and writes software for, where everyone then has major issues with the OS 'cause the OS still hasn't been able to catch up with *nix. Macs are the next sliver up and the first instance of *nix that most users tend to encounter, with Linux being on top of that with far less attention, and finally with the peak of the pyramid and the least amount of awareness being the BSDs . . .

---I do have an Android cell phone and tablet---the cell phone's greatest use is looking up transit schedules. The tablet is for reading electronic texts instead of lugging about a hard copy of the current entertainment reading . . .

Vi! EMACS!

Ah, Yes . . . .

Vi: vivivi, the text editor of The Beast.

Emacs: Absolutely the first rate, sophisticated, powerful, operating system, and all that's missing is a word processor.

I recently ran into people arguing over Vim vs Emacs, where I matter of factly undercut both by pointing out that---as far as I know---it's Vi that is installed basically everywhere as the totally standard default, so that anyone can get into the system editing at its most basic level, without hoping to be able to get something additionally installed to get work done with . . .

In the meantime, for my coding studies, I do the editing through Geany, and then go from there . . . .

Oh, yes, and then as this has started up, there is today's User Friendly.

a different james

Some people really do want to wallow in their pretensions of victimhood.

Victimhood may be their measure of virtue.

However they have achieved power in the universities.

This week has shown that the media, the police, large companies and Government in most western countries will defer to them.

Most western countries are now governed by various versions of Justin Trudeau who think that these Khmer Rougists should be pandered to.

Let it burn.

Jim Whyte

Ed Bo,

In answer to yours of June 7, above, a personal fave; Bat'urst on da nort' shore, 1979. The two-four of Alpine on the roof of the car is a classic.

https://archive.macleans.ca/article/1979/7/23/six-nights-on-mean-street

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