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August 22, 2020

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Nicholas

Conveniently, I was just wondering what I could use as my QotD entry on Monday morning. "I'll see what David's been posting about lately, and ... Bingo!"

David

Conveniently, I was just wondering what I could use as my QotD entry on Monday morning.

[ Admires self in mirror, licks own eyebrows. ]

Jay Guevara

Very well said.

They want control of others - but lack control of themselves.

Rafi

They want control of others - but lack control of themselves.

That.

Darleen

Common (and successful) parental advice now deemed too "controversial".

David

They want control of others - but lack control of themselves.

Quite. What’s remarkable, I think, is how we’ve seen such behaviour being excused and indulged, often via elaborate contortion, as if the impulse in play were somehow well-meaning or the result of high principle. But the wokelings who obstruct and intimidate random motorists, or who scream amplified profanities at random people trying to sleep, while shining lights into their bedrooms - they don’t do these things because they care about civil rights, or policing, or whatever this week’s pretext happens to be. They do it because menacing other people - and spoiling someone’s day, or night, arbitrarily - is gratifying.

If, that is, you’re a certain kind of person.

As I’ve said before,

It’s interesting just how often “social justice” posturing entails something that looks an awful lot like spite or petty malice, or an attempt to harass and dominate, or some other obnoxious behaviour. Behaviour that, without a “social justice” pretext, might get you called a wanker or a bitch. A coincidence, I’m sure.

One more time. They are not good people. They do not mean well.

Darleen

I don't why this popped up in my recommended videos today ... I couldn't stop watching.

Mike

or who scream amplified profanities at random people trying to sleep, while shining lights into their bedrooms

I thought disturbing the peace was a crime.

[+]

They aren’t being obnoxious reluctantly, in desperation, or under duress. They harass, provoke and delight in domination because it gives them pleasure.

'Related'…

https://pjmedia.com/election/victoria-taft/2020/08/22/woman-who-stole-7-year-olds-trump-hat-is-arrested-for-that-and-a-lot-more-n827375

Felicity

Thanks Darleen, cold, wet and miserable here today and I've been feeling a bit flat - I am now smiling :)

David

I thought disturbing the peace was a crime.

Assuming you have a mayor, and a wider political culture, that regards the law as something to be upheld, and upheld without favour. And again, note the planning, the efforts to maximise the imposition and its somewhat menacing implications. Someone sat down and thought, “How can we really aggravate hundreds of random people, ordinary families, about whom we know nothing, and make them feel unsafe in their own homes?”

This is recreational sociopathy.

David

I couldn’t stop watching.

[ Mood improves. ]

Jonathan

Because that’s not what it’s ultimately about.

Their ultimate aim is power: complete and unchallengeable power. And they use the tactics they use because they work; and they work only because a large percentage of the Establishment support their aims.

Your average antifa 'soldier' is a either a brain-washed student or a mentally ill, drug-taking weirdo, but the people who direct them are very smart, determined and ruthless: and they won't stop until they are stopped by force.

Mags

They're actually throwing shit at people now.

https://twitter.com/Breaking911/status/1297249506015285248

David

They’re actually throwing shit at people now.

But hey, don’t forget, they’re only doing all this, selflessly, heroically, for the benefit of black people.

Didn’t you know?

Mongo

Remember how you asked yourself how any of that could happen when you watched Schindler's List?

How is the guy kicking that truck driver in the head after the crowd beat him senseless any different than the camp commander randomly shooting the prisoners?

Killer Marmot

In a healthy society, sociopaths are handled as a matter of course. They are shunned, ignored, and left powerless. When they step outside of the law, they are charged, prosecuted, and punished. People of conscience are not victimized by these predators.

But now we have a political class that caters to these thugs, thinking it tolerant and virtuous, leaving law-abiding citizens to fend for themselves. It's a shameful display of ignorance and cowardice, and those jurisdictions where psychopaths run free will likely be rewarded with decades of crime and poverty as those who wish to live in a productive society flee.

pst314

"It's a shameful display of ignorance and cowardice"

How about "a conscious betrayal"?

Killer Marmot
How about "a conscious betrayal"?

Figuring out what's going on in the mind of rioters and looters is relatively easy. Many are adrenaline junkies who enjoy vioence. Figuring out what their enablers are thinking is the real trick, and is probably quite varied.

But they are even more culpable than the rioters, as they are in a position of public trust. "Betrayal" is the correct word.

Sam Duncan

“they’re only doing all this,”

People are breaking every window they see.

But they're the anti-fascists because... er... they, the people breaking windows and kicking people in the head, say so.

Of course, the National Socialist German Workers' Party wasn't socialist. They were just... um... saying... they... were. Hmm.

Killer Marmot

People are breaking every window they see.

Need a phrase for that. How about "Night of the Broken Glass", or Krystalnacht in German.

David

In a healthy society, sociopaths are handled as a matter of course. They are shunned, ignored, and left powerless…

And yet, as Daniel noted a while ago, many educational institutions seem hellbent on actively cultivating sociopathy, resulting in things like this. (And again, these creatures have been educated, most likely at some expense.)

Theophrastus

Not unrelated:

https://quillette.com/2020/08/16/the-challenge-of-marxism/

Sam Duncan

“Not unrelated:”

The first few paragraphs are great. Then...

Although many liberals and conservatives say that Marxism is “nothing but a great lie,” this isn’t quite right.

Uh-oh...

He then goes on to cite examples not in which Marxism is correct, but, like the Biblical serpent, some in which it's seductively wrong. I see he calls himself a nationalist. In other words, a follower of a rival collectivism.

Enlightenment liberalism is a rationalist system built on the premise that human beings are, by nature, free and equal. It is further asserted that this truth is “self-evident,” meaning that all of us can recognize it through the exercise of reason alone, without reference to the particular national or religious traditions of our time and place.

Wrong. “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal”. They are of equal value in the eyes of their Creator, regardless of their unequal faculties in the temporal world. Furthermore, they may better themselves, or they may succumb to their base urges. But, in the words of Burns (contemporary with the Constitution), “A man's a man, for a' that”. “Equal” does not mean “identical”.

Now, it's certainly true that one of the great dangers currently facing us from the Left is the absurd notion that it must, arising from the same misreading of the Enlightenment. But you'll never counter Marxism by accepting its errors. You'll just head off in a different wrong direction, as so many anti-Marxist collectivists already have, with disastrous consequences.

Squires

You'll just head off...

Speaking of which...

https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/08/portland-rioters-wheel-guillotine-through-suburbs-execute-american-flag/

Nikw211

Trying to imagine how this will play out in the event of Trump being returned to the White House.

Lewis
The Mao-lings who obstruct and intimidate random motorists, or who harass random restaurant customers, scaring their children, or who scream amplified profanities at random people trying to sleep, while shining lights into their bedrooms - they don’t do these things because they care about civil rights, or policing, or whatever this week’s Issue Of Great Concern happens to be. They do it because menacing other people - and spoiling someone’s day, or night, arbitrarily - is gratifying. If, that is, you’re a certain kind of person. They are, as it were, pleasuring themselves.

All. Of. That.

David

All. Of. That.

Given all of the conceivable ways in which a person might wish to highlight some social issue or solicit support for a cause, it’s curious how the Mao-lings’ go-to solutions always entail harassment, vandalism, intimidation, and screwing over others, very often arbitrarily, even the very people they claim to champion. The chosen course of action is invariably a violation of some kind, an attempt to frighten and dominate. Often with ingenuity and planned at some length.

If someone is unhappy about, say, policing policy, and then exults in spite, in obstructing ambulances, or in smashing other people’s businesses, other people’s homes, gleefully bent on terrorising entire neighbourhoods, this is a moral non sequitur. To do this or something similar by default, every time, even when it leaves the vast majority of onlookers repelled and unsympathetic, suggests that there are other, less savoury motives in play.

And by suggests, I mean, makes it bloody obvious.

Squires

The chosen course of action is invariably a violation of some kind, an attempt to frighten and dominate. Often with ingenuity and planned at some length.

Any means to the end, any tool that is useful.

https://cubanexilequarter.blogspot.com/2020/08/black-ribbon-day-2019-hitler-stalin.html?m=1

Burnsie

Imposing their misery on normal people seems to be their purpose in life.

And there's a lot of misery to go around if Antifa mugshots are any indication. These people are hideous.

David

if Antifa mugshots are any indication.

They’re unhappy, damaged people. And they wish to damage you.

Some are outright sociopaths. And some may be teaching your children.

aelfheld
[...] we’re apparently expected to believe that these self-imagined warriors are only exerting themselves - selflessly, heroically - for the benefit of black people.

I never have been good at meeting the expectations of others.

Mags

'Related'...

https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1297921550226804737

Joe Ego

I thought disturbing the peace was a crime.

It would be if the Governor of Wisconsin did not tweet a thread of support for "all those who have and continue to demand justice, equity, and accountability for Black lives in our country" on THE VERY EVENING OF THE INCIDENT. Calm? Investigation? Rule of law? What does he care for those things when there are rioters to be appeased?

It is one thing for political and corporate leaders to implicitly support the riots by not cracking down or by calling Saint Floyd's death a murder. Tony Evers in Wisconsin boldly crosses that line by making a statement in support of rioters without even mentioning the destruction they cause. I don't live within 1,000 miles of that state and its driving me a little crazy.

Governor Squid

Tony Evers in Wisconsin boldly crosses that line by making a statement in support of rioters...

This behavior confuses me terribly. The rioters hate the State and its agents. They want to destroy the State and replace it with their idea of a Workers' Paradise (never mind how that process always ends). They are doing their utmost to force the government to burn through resources chasing them down while simultaneously demoralizing cops and bureaucrats to make recruitment and retention impossible.

While this is going on, the leader of the State goes out in public to ingratiate himself to these mobs. He treats them as though they were the Cool Kids in the school cafeteria, and all he really wants is to sit at their table and hang out with them after school. Except they're not just calling you "Poindexter," Tony. They tried to set your house on fire and they're loudly proclaiming that they won't rest until they've chased you out of the school district entirely.

Also, you're not a freshman in the chess club -- you're the goddamned Superintendent of Schools. Have some self-respect, for God's sake.

NTSOG

I wonder if these modern, window-smashing morons have actually heard of Kristallnacht? I suspect none of them have ever studied C20 history and what actually happened to ordinary people, not just Jews, at the hands of the National Socialists of Germany. Perhaps if they had they would use different methods to make their message heard rather than copy the Sturmabteilungen of Hitler and co on Kristallnacht - if they actually have a message? To me they are a classic example of over-grown, self-indulgent toddlers enjoying the power of violent and destructive 'mob' tantrum behaviour inflicted on others who are civil and tolerant. Fascist is as fascist does.

WTP

This behavior confuses me terribly.

This is going to come across terribly snarky, arrogant, whatever, and do not take this specifically personal, and I know I've said this here time and time again, more and more frequently now, but...I told you so. Maybe not you specifically, not to start anyway, and certainly not loudly because I myself didn't want to believe it, nor did I really want to stick my neck out. But again, some 25 years ago, I saw this day coming because no one wanted to admit that the PC culture had us on a road to perdition. Oh, don't worry about it people told me. You take these things too seriously, they said. My f'ing 'conservative' Presbyterian doctor questioned my sanity. Fuck it. I need a drink and it's only Monday.

pst314

"I wonder if these modern, window-smashing morons have actually heard of Kristallnacht? ... Perhaps if they had they would use different methods..."

No, because It's Not Fascism When We Do It.™

NTSOG

@ WTP: Your post has reminded me of the allegorical tale "Biederman und die Brandstifter" [Biederman and the Fire-starters] written in the 1950s by Max Frisch. In the book Biederman chooses to ignore the obvious and threatening behaviour of the fire-starters who make no attempt to hide their long-term intentions until it is too late, just as AH never hid his intentions as he rose in power.

pst314

"Biederman und die Brandstifter"

An excellent play. I never dreamed when I read it long ago that I would find it so starkly applicable to the America around me.
A comic touch: the play has a Greek Chorus of policemen.

WTP

An excellent play

Not the Readers' Digest condensed version but just as well for the uninformed...

https://youtu.be/U9lZGkZTe3w

Apologies for the rant. I went for a walk. I'd like to say I feel better. I'd like to. Different, yes. Better? Not really.

NTSOG

"I'd like to say I feel better. I'd like to. Different, yes. Better? Not really."

I've reached the point in life that I'm glad my life will be over in the next few years as I am old and frustrated by the shear arrogance, divisiveness and stupidity of the lazy, self-indulgent left who never build anything good, but only destroy, all the while proclaiming themselves as the most virtuous beings ever. The Chinese virus forces and also allows me to remain isolated on my small farm where I can enjoy my retirement in honest labour, hoping that I will just drop dead out in the paddocks and never have to enter a retirement home where I would likely become infected and suffer a miserable end.

pst314

Not the Readers' Digest condensed version but just as well for the uninformed...

I was hoping for something like what the Immediate Shakespeare Company did to Hamlet and Othello, but I suppose for objective passing of information your choice was better. :-)

WTP

I am old and frustrated by the shear arrogance, divisiveness and stupidity of the lazy, self-indulgent left

For me it's similar but different. I am (getting) old and am definitely frustrated by the arrogance and stupidity of virtually everyone I know. About 8 years ago, due to much of this sort of thing affecting me in many ways, especially in my work life, partly into my personal life, my inability to pretend "this is fine", I was on the edge of suicide. It's (hopefully) obviously much more complex and complicated than that, but at the time a number of things that I had more or less predicted would happen were finally starting to happen. I've since gotten better. Ironically, somewhat, I am processing much of this idiocy better than many people I know. Though I do have a sick desire to find my former doctor's grave, dig his ass up, prop him up in front of the tv news and scream "SEE!? SEE!? SEE?!" in his ear as I flip through ever station. But seriously...I'm ok now.

Jay Guevara

I wonder if these modern, window-smashing morons have actually heard of Kristallnacht?

Of course they have. It's their model.

Craig Mc

"This isn’t politics. This is recreational sociopathy"

One flavour of sociopathy invites another. I hope they're as receptive when they're on the receiving end. I suspect they won't enjoy the new civil war as much as they expect.

lotocoti

A workplace proximity acquaintance, who did his National Service in the RSA, swears you can pocket both balls, if you bounce a baton round off the road just right.
Only saying...

Pooklord

For me it's similar but different. Man, I thought I was the only one. It used to drive me crazy, but I realize there is almost nothing I can do, except vote.

D

It's interesting how this is only able to happen where the authorities give the sociopaths space to operate but don't actively attack their patrons.
CHAZ/CHOP stopped after the thugs attacked the mayor's House and Lightfoot in Chicago got cross that BLMers threatened her house.

Hal

"Biederman und die Brandstifter"

The Guardian approves . . . .

A comic touch: the play has a Greek Chorus of policemen.

. . . albeit the chorus is actually firefighters, but then the play does have arsonists . . .

John

Does anyone else get the distinct impression this behaviour is escalating fast?

Does anyone else fear what will happen if President Trump is re-elected*

We ain’t seen nothing yet.

* not just in America either. D1ck of the yard and her boys aren’t going to do squat if it all kicks off in London.

sH2

'Owning a car is racist'

https://twitter.com/Holbornlolz/status/1298137850077220864

David

All. Of. That.

And examples of the phenomenon don’t have to be violent or dramatic to be revealing. For instance, when Ms Annaliese Nielsen targeted a polite taxi driver with some recreational malice, some relentless woke bullying.

If you can, do watch the video, especially the footage recorded by Ms Nielsen herself, apparently with pride and expectations of applause. The exchange was evidently something that Ms Nielsen felt her equally woke peers would approve of. It conveys quite vividly the psychology in play – the spite and dishonesty, the malevolent narcissism.

NTSOG

@ sH2: 'Owning a car is racist'

When I lived on the South Side of Chicago decades ago it struck me that many black males owned very flashy cars, much nicer and larger than my Ford Pinto wagon [the exploding model]. [They also dressed with great, even flamboyant, style.] It was a matter of pride to many of them, it seemed to me, even if their families scraped and saved to survive. A senior social worker explained to me what she called the 'peacock' syndrome in which most family assets went to the males of the family so as to enhance the public status of the men.

David

Maybe he just wanted to feel young again.

Nikw211

They do it because menacing other people - and spoiling someone’s day, or night, arbitrarily - is gratifying.

'Owning a car is racist'

Benjamin Boyce interviews Shaun Cammack, a master's student researching the Evergreen protests of a few years back.

    Boyce: What's your take on the [protesters] treatment of [President of Evergreen State College] George Bridges? [ ... ] Because he was giving them everything they wanted and they kept on pillorying him.

    Cammack: Yeah [ ... ] I don't think he gets [the protesters'] whole worldview [ ... ] They see him as a white guy, white people

I believe I'm not mistaken in thinking that if someone's worldview entails seeing an individual as not a person trying their best to mollify them and meet their demands, but as "a white guy" and not just someone who happens to be white, but as someone who is representative of all "white people" where all people who are white are viewed as irredeemably villainous and untrustworthy, then that someone is a fucking racist.

Still, as Cammack ponders, it may actually have nothing to do with worldview at all.

    Cammack: Um, why did they keep treating him like that? [ ... ] Part of this might not have anything to do with the worldview. Part of it just might be that if you make it OK for people to abuse people, they might.
PiperPaul

When I lived on the South Side of Chicago decades ago it struck me that many black males owned very flashy cars

Was one of them named Leroy and was he bad?

David

Our intellectual betters.

John

Anyone uncomfortable with the view that all white people are irredeemably villainous and untrustworthy should give the latest Sky Atlantic gothic/horror series “Lovecraft Country” an extremely wide berth.

Sort-Of-Mad Max

I have some knowledge of the city of Kenosha, as my base for aquatic recreation has been just below the Cheddar Curtain of Wisconsin for about 20 years. Kenosha took an enormous economic hit with the destruction of the USA's industrial base in the 1990's, and the city has been painfully inching its way back ever since. Most of the downtown area was effectively a ghost town.
Ever so slowly a renaissance was crafted, and since a few years ago the restaurant scene, the marina on Lake Michigan, even the (new) clothes and furniture stores came back. Now they're worse off then when they started. The goblins actually pulled down the classic streetside light posts, for chrissake. I shudder to think of what it's gonna look like next time I drive through it, because I'm not planning on actually going there again any time soon.

Alan

They're racist bullying scum.

https://twitter.com/Darren1419/status/1298200513243230208

David

They’re racist bullying scum.

And being unfit for civilisation, and very much of a psychological type, these creatures will only be dissuaded from further predatory tantrums and further attempts to dominate by the prospect of public, preferably physical, humiliation.

Joe Ego

Sometimes it seems so simple and yet it is difficult to describe.

The ideas that Trayvon is a martyr, "hands up, don't shoot" is true, and police are only good for killing black people are so easily refuted but are pushed so hard and believed by so many. I'm beyond reasoning about it. Sadly, many reasonable people still think they can reason believers out of these lies but the web has been built so intricately and so comprehensively that smart, capable people just know Floyd was murdered.

People used to understand cops had to sometimes handle dangerous criminals. Now cell phone video clips, university studies on 'racist outcomes', and crying women have convinced sensible people that disobeying police and yanking a shotgun by the barrel are not reasons to get killed.

People used to respect, even with some resentment and distrust, government authority. Now officials limit police actions, pronounce public support for "peaceful protests" that are just riots, and play political games while 90% of the citizens are abused. Tony Evers has the balls to call out the National Guard while condoning the rioters. We're told antifa is fake while hundreds of rioters arrived in Kenosha the same day the video appeared on the internet. Kenosha residents reported trains of cars with tape-covered license plates and buses driving into town on Monday. The new normal is instant riots as soon as a black man is shot by cops for any reason.

Governor Squid

People used to respect, even with some resentment and distrust, government authority.

Government authority used to try harder. When's the last time you saw a competent authority figure who commanded respect?

pst314

We're told antifa is fake while hundreds of rioters arrived in Kenosha the same day the video appeared on the internet.

Leftists are claiming that these are all right-wing provocateurs financed and organized by Trump in order to provide an excuse for a coup d'etat and the establishment of a fascist dictatorship.

WTP

Leftists are claiming that these are all right-wing provocateurs financed and organized by Trump in order to provide an excuse for a coup d'etat and the establishment of a fascist dictatorship.

This just in: No, no,no, no, no. Those "leftist claims" are just a conspiracy theory being perpetrated/perpetuated by Trump. Which itself is another conspiracy theory. See, conspiracy theories all come from Trump. Don't question it. It's turtles all the way down.

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