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August 25, 2020

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Farnsworth M Muldoon

Meanwhile, silence is violence and language experts inform us that the use of periods ("full stops" in metric) is also intimidating to young people, because non-run on sentences show anger, or something.

Alice

I have two small children. I've seen worse in our bathroom.

David

[ Admires new oven. ]

I can’t quite believe how clean the thing looks.

WTP

Heh. We recently got a new dishwasher, full size, replacing the very old mini-size one that I was keeping together with bailing wire, duct tape, and prayer (It’s nice to have access to money again). We’ve gone from being careful about how many dishes we use to finding any excuse to fill the thing up. A plate that in the past I would dust off a few cracker crumbs to re-use for dinner goes right in the dishwasher.

Jen

Today's word is 'inevitable'.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/22/asteroid-heading-our-way-day-before-presidential-election/

David

Heh.

Thing is, I now have to clean the adjacent surfaces and cupboard doors, in an attempt to minimise the contrast.

Jen

'Lefties project'

https://www.dailywire.com/news/as-violent-riots-breakout-democrat-nancy-pelosi-labels-republicans-as-enemies-of-the-state

Squints

Delivery chaps? They bringin' the stuff on motorcycles?

JuliaM

I think I’d require more than one roll....

David

Delivery chaps?

One burly fellow and a scrawny yoot, to be precise. And in a van, happily.

PiperPaul

[ Admires new oven. ]

I opted for an induction cooktop. But it has a digital pushbutton beeping control panel.

Boo!

David

[ Detects fingerprints on front of new oven. ]

Who touched the sacred appliance? WHO TOUCHED IT WITHOUT WHITE COTTON GLOVES?

Steve E

Delivery chaps?

This immediately came to mind.

Steve E

Isn't that the same guy who works "Ladies" Night here at the bar?

Adam

I believe that one reason younger people interpret punctuation as irritation is that they have not been taught English grammar and syntax in school. This is because their teachers were not taught it and thus do not understand how words, phrases, clauses etc are hung together to compose sentences, or how sentences are composed into paragraph, and how the whole thing works to express thoughts.

A student once approached me after a class on critical thinking to announce that he realized that until this class he didn't know what thinking was. He believed that thinking just happened. To him, the stream of images and words coursing though his consciousness was thought.

This is Descartes' fault, or the fault generations of Philosophy 101 lectures which reduced 'cogito' to consciousness itself.

aelfheld
I believe that one reason younger people interpret punctuation as irritation is that they have not been taught English grammar and syntax in school.

I would think the elevation & indulgence of self-esteem, & the consequent, brittle, conceit, has much to do with it.

David

I believe that one reason younger people interpret punctuation as irritation is that they have not been taught English grammar and syntax in school.

All too often true. To the extent that the words ‘of’ and ‘have’ are now widely used as if interchangeable, an error that is apparently no longer corrected by many so-called educators.

Darleen

Punctuation is violence and good grammar is racist.

One might think the death of clear and concise communication was a feature, not a bug, of this language iconoclasts.

BTW, this appears to only apply to English. I haven't heard Professors of French or Spanish decrying their grammar rules.

Governor Squid

We’ve gone from being careful about how many dishes we use to finding any excuse to fill the thing up.

I've noticed a similar phenomenon related to our new washer and dryer. It seems like my wife is changing clothes two or three times a day, just to fill up the laundry hamper. To be fair, the dryer has a two-way door that acts like a chute when you're loading it, and it has a glass window in it so you can watch the laundry tumble, and there's a little light inside that comes on when you open the door, and it plays a happy little song when you turn it on, so I can't really blame her for wanting to play with her new toys.

As for the yoots, it appears that the study is talking about punctuation in the context of text messages. From my observations, these have devolved into a form of Egyptian pictographs, so it's little wonder that traditional punctuation upsets and frightens them.

Darleen

From my observations, these have devolved into a form of Egyptian pictographs

Time to revisit Word Crimes.

Sam Duncan

“Unusually, texts ending in an exclamation point – 'lmao!', 'just a cheeky one!', 'what body part even is that? I hope it's your arm!' – are deemed heartfelt or more profound.”

God help us all.

A plate that in the past I would dust off a few cracker crumbs to re-use for dinner goes right in the dishwasher.

Oh, I remember those days. Our dishwasher runs perfectly well, it's just that for some reason known only to Neff (the ancient Egyptian god of dishwashing) the dishes don't come out any cleaner than when they went in. I'm reluctant to admit that a device that works in principle really needs repaired.

Governor Squid

I'm reluctant to admit that a device that works in principle really needs repaired.

I've done dishes by hand since I left my parents' household thirty years ago. My tiny little kitchen lacks space, and the wife and I never dirtied that many dishes. That is, until we were locked in our house all day every day. Now it's relentless! We also lack air conditioning, so my new morning routine consists of doing the dinner dishes at breakfast time, when the kitchen isn't hotter than Hades.

I'm thinking of downloading an app that makes dishwasher noises, just so I have to turn up the volume on the TV after dinner. I think it would make me feel like a real success!

The bright side is that the house is paid for, and so for a couple of years now I've been dumping the former mortgage payments into the Boat Fund. With a bit of good luck, I'll take an early retirement and sail down to the islands to play guitar, enjoy rum drinks and sunsets, and only occasionally hear news about the race wars raging on the mainland. (With my normal kind of luck, I'll be shot in the head by a rioter six months before my retirement date.)

David

I’ve done dishes by hand since I left my parents’ household thirty years ago.

I find washing the dishes oddly relaxing. We have a pretty good view from the kitchen window, so that probably helps. We do in fact have a dishwasher, but so far as I can recall it’s never been used. Except to store wine, takeaway menus, and bewildering blender attachments, the purpose and origin of which remain, even now, a mystery.

WTP

My tiny little kitchen lacks space, and the wife and I never dirtied that many dishes.

What we had before was an 18" wide one (24" is standard). It sufficed for the minimum. Wife was spending 5 months here in the mountains and I would come up for one or two weeks doing WFH, possibly an extended weekend here and there. The small old one sufficed for our minimum needs so you might consider looking into them. Ours was quite old. I had put off replacing it due to cash flow issues and also because I knew it would take some time to reconfigure our kitchen for a 24" one. The new ones are sooo much quieter, if your wiling to spend about $400-$500. Used to be that the 18" ones were more expensive for some reason but that seems to have normalized lately.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

I'm thinking of downloading an app that makes dishwasher noises, just so I have to turn up the volume on the TV after dinner.

How about one that's 10 hours long?

Governor Squid

We spent a weekend at a friend's place up on Lake Superior, where they had one of the whisper-quiet half-width machines. I felt like I was living in The Jetsons' apartment in the sky. We seriously shopped for similar machines, but never quite pulled the trigger on the purchase. If this heat keeps up, we may need to revisit the program.

pst314

I’m dealing with delivery chaps and a glorious new oven

asiaseen

This is because their teachers were not taught it
So, ultimately to blame for the unpunctuating yoof are the teachers of two generations back...

Back my dishwasher days, some 40 years ago, my gripe was the miasma that belched forth when opening to door to unload it.

Fred the Fourth

Dishwashers...
1. While working at a girl's summer camp in the California Sierra (don't ask), learned all about commercial / hotel Official Procedures for doing dishes for the restaurant / cafeteria. Oddly, no one objected when I (competent but utterly un-certified) crawled under the enormous thing to repair the gas-fired heater. Fun times. These days I'd get done for blackface (from the soot).
2. Someone's wife reports on twitter: Hubby is ignoring me, so I spilled a bit of water on the floor next to the dishwasher. He has spent the last two hours trying to diagnose and fix the thing. (At least she got roasted for being so evil.)

Fred the Fourth

Also, wildfire evacuation warning zone a couple miles away just got lifted.
I live just east of the "August Lightning CZU Fire" on the CA coast south of San Francisco.
Yeah!

Steve E

Sociopaths less likely to follow coronavirus containment measures: Study

Who'da thunk it?

In other news, water is wet.

David

Further to this, more Mao-ling loveliness.

As someone quipped on Twitter,

If you’re comfortable screaming in someone’s face, for any reason, it means you haven’t been hit in the mouth enough.

Which sounds about right.

And that’s the thing about the kind of tribal, collectivist psychology we’re seeing – there’s no interest in, and an overt denial of, personal responsibility. There’s no reciprocity, at all, and no regard for personal boundaries, except as something to violate, repeatedly and gleefully. It’s quite literally dehumanising. Nothing is ever their fault, a result of their choices, their idiocy, their insatiable malice. They don’t even have to earn their own arguments, such as they are. As a path to piety, screeching and chanting will do. They are, they say, just owed, seemingly without limit.

Needless to say, it’s rather unlikely that the lives of such creatures will on balance be a positive for those around them.

David

Also, sealing doors with concrete and trying to burn people alive.

For “social justice,” no doubt.

[ Added: ]

We’ll give those a post of their own, I think. Any comments, that-a-way.

Megaera

Sam: from the far side of bitter experience, I suggest you investigate the filter (if your washer has one) and the drain line -- sounds like one or both be gummed up and the machine is just recirculating a good quantity of fairly nasty washing water during the rinse/drain cycle. YouTube is an endless source of videos (quality variable) available gratis from squadrons of amiable handy-persons (none, I regret to report, appearing to rejoice in the possession of a cervix) who will undertake to explain the care and maintenance of anything from a crescent wrench to a molten-salt reactor -- just furnish your machine's make, model, and current problem, and stand back for the deluge. I LOVE that aspect of YouTube, despite its unsavory by-ways and abusive practices.

PiperPaul

YouTube, despite its unsavory by-ways and abusive practices

I've noticed a jaw-dropping number of YouTube ads recently. Sometimes 7-8 ad breaks (more if you're not quick enough to cancel the upcoming one) in a 10 minute video.

David

Sometimes 7-8 ad breaks (more if you’re not quick enough to cancel the upcoming one) in a 10 minute video.

Yes, quite. YouTube’s policy seems to be to make the default product increasingly user-hostile, aggravatingly loaded with ads and interruptions, thereby annoying users enough to make them pay for the ‘premium’ service. Sort of, “We’re making our product really shit so that you’ll pay for it.”

Ted S, Catskill Mtns, NY, USA

[ Admires new oven. ]

I can’t quite believe how clean the thing looks.

Relevant

David

Relevant

I’m now toying with the idea of wrapping the new oven in plastic sheeting to prevent desecration with unsightly fingerprints. We can just spend the evenings admiring its newness. Forever.

John

Relevant

Those of a certain age will recall a slightly unkind meme from the 1960s concerning first generation Indian immigrant families who supposedly retained the plastic wrapping on their furniture and placed similar plastic runners on the carpets. The fact that said families were being extremely house-proud was never seen as a good thing.

WTP

YouTube is an endless source of videos (quality variable) available gratis from squadrons of amiable handy-persons (none, I regret to report, appearing to rejoice in the possession of a cervix)

Heh. I was having the devil of a time removing a very old kitchen faucet yesterday. Usually find those helpful. First video that comes up is of a woman handy-person. She blithely glosses over the part I was having trouble with. Eventually I just looked at still shots of different installation designs and figured it out myself.

David

The fact that said families were being extremely house-proud was never seen as a good thing.

I vaguely recall, as a child, being taken to visit someone whose sofa was still sealed in plastic, presumably to ensure that any visitors were made aware that said item was new, or new-ish. I can’t remember who it was we were visiting, possibly a relative, but I do remember the novelty of sitting on squeaky plastic.

asiaseen

@ Megaera
You obviously haven't met this lady image host

Squires

competent but utterly un-certified

If that doesn’t belong on a business card, I don’t know what does.

The fact that said families were being extremely house-proud was never seen as a good thing.

My buddy Rajwinder and I grew up in houses with identical floor plans. In my parents’ house the spare first floor room was a sitting room for entertaining guests, the room the Christmas tree was set up in, the room the record player/sound system sat in, and the room my father and I would wrestle in, since it had the most free space.

At Raji’s that same room was for entertaining guests. Only. Ever. Those guests were always adult members of the extended family. The feet of children were not to tread upon its immaculate rose-colored carpet without special permission. Ever.

pst314

I can’t quite believe how clean the thing looks.

As clean as a cheese shop? John Cleese wants to know.

pst314

At Raji’s that same room was for entertaining guests. Only.

That used to be a very common custom in America and England, if I recall correctly--at least in houses large enough to practice that level of segregation of functions. Come to think of it, doesn't "parlor" come from the French for "talk?"?

pst314

Those of a certain age will recall a slightly unkind meme from the 1960s concerning first generation Indian immigrant families who supposedly retained the plastic wrapping on their furniture and placed similar plastic runners on the carpets.

Where I grew up the target of the meme was Jewish and Polish people, not entirely immigrants.

Hal

Where I grew up the target of the meme was Jewish and Polish people, not entirely immigrants.

It's not DNA, as much as mindset . . . Jilly Cooper, Paul Fussell, and Kate Fox all have examples of the frantically lowest middle class consistently being utterly aghast at the idea of a single speck of dust being seen somewhere, where those rather more relaxed have less of a concern---As I Recall, it's either Fussell or Cooper who has the story of some British nobleman yelling at a dog, Stop peeing on the couch, you know that's what the carpet's for!!!

Daniel Ream

For those insistent on ranting about kids today, I regret to inform you that comic books have been doing the same thing with terminal punctuation for sixty years, and for the same reason.

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