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September 07, 2020

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Mags

Better start saving for the counselling bill.

Killer Marmot

There are races for two and three year olds? Do they know what a race is? Do they know where the finish line is? It must be cute at any rate.

Also, any article that describes how the author broke down in tears is garbage, the same sophomoric dross that contaminates vast swathes of student newspapers. Time Magazine should set the bar a little higher.

John Brumble

1) This is absolutely a boy. You can't see the female genitalia that early on in an ultra-sound. Or at least, not without an incredibly unfortunate and unlikely pose.

2) In 1980s to 2000s Australia (at least), "Zoomer" (or a variant) was the name given to an apocryphal dog by any one of a number of private boys' schools (in several states) to describe the unfortunate canine sexual partner of an (generally) un-named boy from a rival school as a means of casting aspersions on the boys of that school generally.

John Brumble

Oh.. and while very young girls are generally faster than very young boys, the idea that 2 and 3 YEAR OLD children are racing is just blatantly ridiculous. She's clearly lying and has actual meets where YEAR/GRADE 2 and 3 children compete in events mixed up with ages.

The Sage

Also, these days, "Zoomer" is a label for Gen Z, just part of the linguistic fall-out from the "OK, Boomer." meme of recent years, where everything is an -oomer of some kind.

David

Better start saving for the counselling bill.

Well, you’d think there might be at least a little trepidation. Insofar as children don’t generally appreciate being thought of as androgynous or being mistaken for the other sex. In fact, for the most part it seems to be a cause of some resentment.

Deus Vukture

According to the article, Zoomer understands that some boys have vulvas and some girl have penises but cannot understand why they can’t stay and have fun at the race.

Okay, Zoomer.

Trevor

These people shouldn't be allowed custody of a potato peeler, much less a human child.

JuliaM

’ We were committed to raising our child...’

Surely the issue here is that you weren’t committed. You both should have been, and the poor kid raised by foster parents.

Kevin Jackson

Wait, they assigned a name to the baby? The most fundamental part of a person's identity and they just arbitrarily choose it before before even meeting the child?!? Those monsters!

fnord

A clear example of people who should not be allowed to spawn. Unfortunately the alternative, requiring a license issued by politicians advised by 'experts' is even more horrific.

Geoffrey Howe

Wait, they assigned a name to the baby? The most fundamental part of a person's identity and they just arbitrarily choose it before before even meeting the child?!? Those monsters!

This is, unironically, a more legitimate complaint than referring to a child by their biological sex. There's a better argument to be made for giving a child a temporary name, until they are old enough to 'earn' or choose their proper name, than for this non-binary nonsense.

Speaking of which... isn't 'nonbinary' an identity? As surely as being 'male' or 'female'? So aren't they just as guilty of assuming their childs gender as anyone who declared them male or female? How is their method of 'assume childs identity is non-binary regardless of biological sex' any more reasonable than 'assume childs identity matches their biological sex'? Both make assumptions about the child, and apply pronouns, without the childs input.

It would seem that, under their ideology, the only valid option is simply not apply ANY pronouns to the child, and simply refer to them by their name or a non-sexed, non-gendered description ('Johns child'). If a pronoun is chosen for simple expediency, then the pronoun that matches their biological sex would surely be preferable, as it is, at least, the most likely to be the one the child chooses for... uh.... the child.

...

Is there something other than a pronoun I can use there? I'm trying to remain woke while minimizing horrible sentence structure.

Mike

Oh, me me me me me me me and me me me me. If the kid is learning anything it's that adults are self centered douches and mommy in particular is a queen of the group. Good luck kid and sorry for your parent.

Hal

Good luck kid and sorry for your parent.

. . . . Parent?

Where is there any mention of an actual parent?

---Of course mere breeding doesn't count, any random animal can breed, being a parent involves actually raising a child . . .

asiaseen

We were committed to raising our child

Shouldn't that be "their" child?

In other matters: the police are not always the good guys
https://hongkongfp.com/2020/09/07/video-hong-kong-police-say-minimum-force-was-used-to-tackle-fleeing-12-year-old-girl-during-pro-democracy-demo/
Policing with Chinese characteristics

David

Oh, me me me me me me me and me me me me.

Yes, quite. Despite the self-flattering claims of high-mindedness, there is, I think, an air of selfishness and self-indulgent overreach. And as someone quipped on Twitter, a cynic might assume that Ms Myers is using her child in order to validate her own, rather dubious choice of degree course and political persona. This, remember, is someone who uses the word “patriarchy” unironically. And who, assuming her account is truthful, prevents her child having fun running with other children, as doing so would offend her own “gender-creative” pretensions.

Alice

Around their fourth birthday, Zoomer started declaring a gender identity and claiming some gendered pronouns.

Biology: 1. Theory: 0.

Adam

IMHO, Zoomer is as real as Obama's college girlfriends.

Three year olds do not compete in track events.

Here's how I know - my Kindergarten(5 year-olds)class of boys and girls all used the same restroom outfitted with tiny toilets side by side. It was not until 1st grade that we used gender-separate restrooms. This was more than 60 years ago!

Even 5 year-olds play. They do not organize and compete. Look at little tykes trying to play football or baseball. It is hilarious to watch, but it is not organized or coordinated despite "coaches" and parents shouting from the sidelines.

Jamie MacMaster

" ... doing it all in public while waiting for applause ... "

And that's what it's ALL about. Always.

David

Always.

When parents publicly use their children as some kind of look-at-me political project, it rarely bodes well.

aelfheld

Zoomer?!?

Was the child conceived during an online meeting?

David Davis

Well, and you know, it does seem to get worse.

If anyone reads the blog Underdogs Bite Upwards, you'll know he's been trying to write a dystopian novel called "Panoptica", that deals among other matters with aspects of this tragic stuff.

But poor old Legiron is finding that reality is now outstripping, in its velocity towards disaster, the rate of progress of his novel...

Movements towards the real Panoptica have taken a rapid turn since "lockdowns".

Sam Duncan

“we had seen their genitals during the anatomy scan”

So it's twins?

“I double-dog dare someone to prove that hypergendered childhood is a roaring success.”

I've often wondered why the people who shout the loudest about Science!™ are the very ones who distrust 525 million years of vertebrate evolution the most.

“Because Zoomer has been raised with a focus on inclusivity, they [sic] have an instinct to make everyone feel welcome. When a character on a kids’ show says, 'Hello, boys and girls!' Zoomer adds, 'And nonbinary pals!'”

... and that the people who shout the most about “inclusivity” and “welcoming” are the ones any sane person most wants to steer well clear of.

“I refused to have our family participate.”

Welcoming! Inclusive!

“There are races for two and three year olds?”

I (well, my parents) first discovered I had hay fever while waiting to run the egg-and-spoon race at my first school sports day at the age of three (almost four, to be fair). One of my most vivid early memories.

David

Always.

“Here, kiddo. Hold my niche, rather question-begging ideological baggage. For the next 20 years. Possibly longer.”

Horace Dunn

When a character on a kids’ show says, “Hello, boys and girls!” Zoomer adds, “And nonbinary pals!”

Zoomer's going to be really popular, clearly.

fnord

There's a scene in A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To The Forum that suggests an appropriate career path for her and her gender studies degree.

https://youtu.be/W_fixpI0BL8

Burnsie

" I’m using they here because Zoomer is still exploring gender and I want them to have some autonomy over how they share their identity with the world."

Ah yes, let's ladle some narcissistic preening on top of that pretentious twaddle.

I won't play that guessing game where you must seek clues from surrounding text to determine whether the writer is talking in the singular or plural. These people with their "pronouns" are the 2+2=5 lunatics of the language set.

Watcher In The Dark

Poor mite. 'I not running?' is heading for 'I not have a say in my own life?'

Squires

But we didn’t think that information told us anything about our kid’s gender.

It sounds like you have a degree in being retarded, Kyl Myers.

The only things we really knew about our baby is that they were human, breech and going to be named Zoomer.

It sounds like you have an advanced degree in being retarded.

I double-dog dare someone to prove that hypergendered childhood is a roaring success.

John Basilone, Sophia Loren, Roger Young, Dolly Parton, Audie Murphy...

Better start saving for the counselling bill.

Sometimes there is hope in teenage rebellion.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

I don't have a gender studies degree, but I helped oversee the raising of my children, during which I went from "nurture over nature" to "nature wins, although nurturing with a switch will have an effect on the kid, too."

It's really something to see them grow up. I can pick out a look in my daughter's face passed down from her grandmother and my wife's sister. My son looks more like my wife's father (slim, tall, laconic) than me. He's a quiet boy, but incredibly smart (again, not me), but he exhibits a dry wit that surprises you.

As I joke to my wife, I wish I made her have kids if only to find one that resembles me. She, for some reason, doesn't find that amusing.

David

It sounds like you have a degree in being retarded, Kyl Myers.

Because such things only correspond with the subjective experience of gender practically all of the time.

Justin

"Zoomer".

During a 2017 holiday in Iceland, I discovered that when births are registered the name of the child must come from a prescribed, definitive list. The firstname(s) that is; the family name is whatever - Jonsson, Bransdottir etc.

Names are very occasionally added and I think the process is long and bureaucratic and at the time I thought the whole idea was overly authoritarian. Now I'm not so sure.

ruralbob

Parents will soon need both a college fund and a counseling fund for their children. Then aunts, uncles, and grandparents can decide which to contribute to on various special occasions. .

Cloudbuster

The only things we really knew about our baby is that they were human, breech and going to be named Zoomer.

Unless she was in late stage labor as she was saying this, "breech" is meaningless. Babies move around all the time. They normally settle into a heads-down position near the start of labor, but even if they are in breech position (butt down) at the start of labor, they can often be repositioned before labor progresses too far. Good midwives know how to do this. Modern obstetricians rarely do -- they just go for the Caesarean at the first hint of trouble.

Zoomer is, of course, a horrible, cruel name to inflict on a kid.

Steve E

The only things we really knew about our baby is that they were human, breech and going to be named Zoomer.

Another sign that much of her story is a woke fable. Normally, a baby isn't considered breech until 35 or 36 weeks. Although, her prescience in knowing the child was non-gendered probably carried over to knowing the child would be breech.

And, in keeping with her self-centeredness, breech describes the position of the fetus in the womb, not an innate physical characteristic. Something else she imposed on her child.

Steve E

Unless she was in late stage labor as she was saying this, "breech" is meaningless.

Great minds think alike. ;-)

WTP

It's really something to see them grow up. I can pick out a look in my daughter's face passed down from her grandmother and my wife's sister

This is a little off-topic...kinda...but on a FB page that I follow from my hometown, people have taken to posting pictures from their elementary school yearbooks from the 50's and 60's. I enjoy perusing the faces of these youngsters and picking out the troublemakers. These are people usually older than me and none that I have never met. Well, to my knowledge anyway. It's amazing to me how often I post something like "third kid from left, back row" and people from that class tell me how right I am.

Darleen

We have taught Zoomer about their own body without using boy-girl labels. Zoomer understands that some girls have penises and some boys have vulvas, and some intersex kids have vulvas and testes.

And people think young earth creationists are anti-science nutcases.

Clayton E Cramer

They were human? You sure it was not Altairian?

Joan

“I have a gender studies degree.”

Someone should tell her.

David

Someone should tell her.

It’s rather like having a sign around your neck saying, “Unlikely to learn from experience.”

Paul Carlton

"A clear example of people who should not be allowed to spawn. Unfortunately the alternative, requiring a license issued by politicians advised by 'experts' is even more horrific."

That's not the only alternative. I have two bricks here ...

Paul Carlton

From it's website

Dr. Kyl Myers is a sociologist, an award-winning educator, and a globally-recognized advocate for Gender Creative Parenting. Since 2016, Kyl has been speaking and writing about Gender Creative Parenting and using their own parenting story to help the world learn about and embrace a new type of childhood.

You can find Kyl’s musings and bite-size gender studies lessons on Instagram @kyl_myers (and the relic @raisingzoomer). Kyl is genderqueer, uses they/them and she/her pronouns, and lives in Salt Lake City, Utah.

Are there no Danites anymore?

Paul Carlton

“What are you having?”

I feel that David's answer would be shorter than Kyl's, less complicated and involving alcohol.

And possibly a pickled egg.

Paul Carlton

“Please snuggle them and wrestle with them. Please compliment their painted toenails and let them get muddy. Call them handsome and beautiful; sensitive and brave. Give them the opportunity to play with the Hot Wheels and the kitchen set.”

She'd get the day care shut down, she should be banned.

Paul Carlton

"I’m using they here because Zoomer is still exploring gender and I want them to have some autonomy over how they share their identity with the world."

Show Zoomer how to use your credit card and let him have some autonomy over how he shares it with the world.

MC

When a character on a kids’ show says, “Hello, boys and girls!” Zoomer adds, “And nonbinary pals!”

That didn't happen so much it hurts.

Darleen

This isn't "new" parenting. It's just the next iteration of "let's be friends with our children & let them rule the home".

There is nothing wrong with giving kids a solid foundation of rules, roles, and boundaries. Indeed, the word "grounding" is still relevant. Otherwise, as adults they may feel if they are thirsty, they are entitled.

Sam Duncan

“During a 2017 holiday in Iceland, I discovered that when births are registered the name of the child must come from a prescribed, definitive list.”

Yep. It used to be the same in France. I was told by my school French teacher (and it's too good a story to check) that the first name registered after repeal of the law was “Périphérique”.

asiaseen

bite-size gender studies lessons

A bit like bite-sized Snickers?

Dan Galvin

So she was raised Mormon. Looks like she’s really out for revenge on her Mormon mom and dad. I wonder what Zoomer will come up with to get back at her?

Squires

It's just the next iteration of "let's be friends with our children & let them rule the home"

From where I’m standing it seems the parents are attempting to show how hip and cool and down with their kids they are by gaslighting their own offspring into compliance.

I wonder what Zoomer will come up with to get back at her?

A conspicuously female girlfriend and an athletics scholarship should do.

Karl

Personally I'm appalled at Xoomer's culturally imperialist white supremacist parents. Did they really just assume Xer's language? How fucking racist is that?

Personally I'm currently raising my offspring whom we have un-named " " in a large cardboard box. At the age of " "'s choosing " " will emerge from the box a fully formed perfect being, as nature intended, with the name, sex, gender, and and language of " "'s own choosing.

In these scientifically informed times anyone who does less for their offspring is frankly just an ignorant bigot.

Oblong

When petrol bombing is a valid response to your hair being called frizzy

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-54055814

Karl

... a valid response to your hair being called frizzy

Ironically one of the swarthy chaps protesting the closed store is wearing a shirt bearing the slogan "Our Land And Jobs Now".

John

Any fule kno the name has been culturally appropriated, and then mis-spelt, from Zuma as in Montezuma.

Reeeeeeeeeeee!

Watcher In The Dark

On names... many years ago I saw a girl's name (from the States) was 'L-A'

I dare you to guess its pronunciation.

Okay, enough guessing: apparently it was pronounced 'El-dash-a"

Rcc

This is the ultimaye expression of quantum physics - a child whose gender is unknown, until it is actually observed, in some unknown way, and the gender is actually revealed. A variation on the famous schrodinger's cat experiment, where the cat is simultaneously alive and dead, until its bix is opened. Quite a triumph of modern gender studies.

Jay Guevara

I wonder what Zoomer will come up with to get back at her?

A conspicuously female girlfriend and an athletics scholarship should do.

Join the Marines.

Jay Guevara

Dr. Kyl Myers is a sociologist, an award-winning educator, and a globally-recognized advocate for Gender Creative Parenting.

Is there a greater blight on the land than sociology?

dcardno

I double-dog dare someone to prove that hypergendered childhood is a roaring success.

Hmmm... maybe the last eight to twelve thousand years of progress - in particular, the last forty years, in which more of our species have been lifted out of abject poverty than at any time in our existence?

fnord

On names... many years ago I saw a girl's name (from the States) was 'L-A'
I dare you to guess its pronunciation.
Okay, enough guessing: apparently it was pronounced 'El-dash-a"

Fry and Laurie have thoughts:
https://youtu.be/nq-dchJPXGA

DP

@ Sam Duncan | September 08, 2020 at 00:08

Yep. It used to be the same in France. I was told by my school French teacher (and it's too good a story to check) that the first name registered after repeal of the law was “Périphérique”.

I wonder if he ever met my old m8 M25.

DP

Joe Ego

Around their fourth birthday, Zoomer started declaring a gender identity and claiming some gendered pronouns.

This is usually described as letting the children figure things out for themselves, but actual cases keep looking like the children are trained to be extremely aware of biological sex and social expression relating to sex ('gender'). This seems to be well outside the realm of a 4yo's comprehension and assumes children of any age exist in a sexual dimension.

I believe this kind of training leads directly to an unhealthy level (above 0) of sexual awareness and engagement for children. Almost all people recoil at the health/sex-ed curricula found at many public schools (now, there's a reason for pitchforks) but this crazy lady is encouraging parents to raise their kids so preteen lessons on sodomy and practical BDSM would appear to be the logical next steps.

Something like 'Cuties' (clips and synopses flooding onto twitter yesterday) would play out in every neighborhood rather than being spawned from the mind of a french pedophile, lauded by high minded critics, and published by the world's largest streaming service. Because who doesn't love a heartwarming story about a bunch of preteens emulating the latest sexual degeneracy in pop culture?

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