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November 16, 2020

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All cultures are equal. But some cultures are more equal than others.

Squires

When garbage in, garbage out meets with a feedback loop, the results will forever be tiresome.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

It is both possible and impossible to appreciate rap music...

The fundamental fallacy being that rap is actually anything vaguely resembling music.

Nethery said rap music has origins in oppression and the disgusting and brutal treatment of people of color.

True, generally women of color by men of color, but we'll gloss over that.

The professor added that rap is a “gift” to white people...

Yes, in much the same way as a package from Ted Kaczynski is a gift.

Dr. Nethery is currently working on a project in the area of the philosophy of race on the constitution of racialized perception through discursive and non-discursive practices.

Of course he is. Hip boots required.

Felicity

Urgh https://www.sbs.com.au/topics/voices/culture/article/2018/07/11/no-you-shouldnt-rap-along-n-word-kendrick-lamar-concert

But, heh don’t worry about the blatant mysogyny, so long as the pale folk don’t use that word.

Runcie Balspune

How does he explain that the best selling artist, across all music genres, of this century (so far), is a white male rapper?

sH2

'related'...

https://youtu.be/cwQgjq0mCdE

The Sage

Clearly, pointing out that people never pronounce the initial 'C' when referring to that style of music must be a sign of irretrievable pallor.

WTP

If only there was a place where unhappy black peoples, black peoples who feel so greatly oppressed by white peoples, could go. A place with very few or no white people. Where black peoples could live and govern themselves without having to see or hear a white person at all. Go weeks or months, nay maybe even years without a whitey anywhere to bother them. Maybe some place as large as a continent. OK, maybe 2/3 of a continent would be enough.

David

‘related’…

Blimey. I can’t award points for musical ingenuity, or lyrical ingenuity, or for the advancement of human culture, but I do like the big suits.

David

the results will forever be tiresome.

It’s like taking the rote bollocks of the Clown Quarter and stirring in some laughably pretentious music journalism.

Y. Knott

BTW, PING!

David

BTW, PING!

Bless you, sir. May the seal integrity of your plunger cups never be in question.

WTP

but I do like the big suits.

I miss absurdity. I remember a time, and maybe it was just because I was younger then, that a movie or video or book or play would meander along, seemingly normal in its presentation, and then out of the blue something absurd would be introduced. Like as they try here with the big suits. Stuff like that would slay me. Even in an absurd context of a comedy like Airplane, I remember nearly dying of laughter (granted a bit of it was chemically induced) when in a scene an airplane from the Israeli airliner El Al was shown with a Hasidic beard and hat on it. Absurdity was entertaining. But not so much anymore. At times you can even see it coming. Which is itself absurd. The question I often ask myself is this because after repeatedly being used, absurdity has become just too easy of a laugh or because everything has now become so bloody absurd that absurdity has lost its punch?

sk60

So can I listen to jazz without spending six months deconstructing my "opaque white-racist self"?

asiaseen

Schrödinger's rap

PiperPaul

When garbage in, garbage out meets with a feedback loop

Are you saying they're like a circular Human Centipede?

Dr Evil

Rap music. The C is silent. If only this 'music' was too.

aelfheld

If rap 'music' is a gift, I'd like to have a word with the Greeks who left it at the doorstep.

aelfheld
The question I often ask myself is this because after repeatedly being used, absurdity has become just too easy of a laugh or because everything has now become so bloody absurd that absurdity has lost its punch?

The latter.

Definitely.

Darleen
To properly appreciate rap, Caucasians need a “direct-self-reflection on [their] own complicity within the systems of white supremacy,”

No. This kind of fetishizing of anything that comes out of the Exotic Other is racism, no matter how much this "professor" calls himself "anti-racist".

And, what kind of professor professes to study and not know that "rap's" roots are not 100% authentic to the melanin-enriched?

Sam

When the university system collapses this guy will well and truly believe it was because the public is stupid.

David

And, what kind of professor professes to study and not know that “rap’s” roots are not 100% authentic to the melanin-enriched?

Ah, but our Associate Professor of Philosophy would have us believe that the entirety of rap music and its various sub-genres - including, presumably, iterations in, say, China and South Korea - are to be viewed as some collective ode to black downtroddenness, and specifically downtroddenness at the hands of The Great Pale Satan.

I can claim no expertise in rap music – I generally find it rather narrow and monotonous – but my limited exposure to it suggests that other themes are at least as common, if not more so. Often involving booty and suchlike, or the physical hazards of living in proximity to other black rappers. And even if it turns out that claims of downtroddenness are the dominant theme - by volume, if not quality - this wouldn’t necessarily make said claims a profound truth. As opposed to say, a cliché of the genre, or a narcissistic indulgence.

PiperPaul

The diversity of subject matter in rap music seems to be about the same as how zombie movies differ.

Jack Klompus

There are parents that let their kids take this idiot's class.

Baceseras

We ought to remember, without making a big to-do about it, that black folks didn't invent rap; white folks had it for centuries: in English it's called doggerel. It's always been held in low regard; and justly so, since it's crummy stuff -- although even there, occasionally something bright or memorable turns up. I don't know whether any great amount of it has been deliberately inserted into the latest Norton Anthologies (some no doubt got in by the fallibility of editors' judment). That's the old news, is there any new news?

Jeff Guinn

Farnsworth M. Muldoon: The fundamental fallacy being that rap is actually anything vaguely resembling music.

There is quite the Youtube cottage industry of those clearly of the rap/hip-hop persuasion reacting to their first hearing of Pink Floyd, Queen, Led Zep, etc. Oddly, I've never stumbled on one going the other way. Where "oddly" is defined as "unsurprisingly".

Which, as the NYT is quick to inform us, is problematic.

Cloudbuster

The plain inferiority and musical degeneracy of rap requires exceptionally insane and overwrought advocacy to attempt to conceal the truth.

Lancastrian Oik

Nethery said rap music has origins in oppression and the disgusting and brutal treatment of people of color.

Maybe, but maybe not.*

See also: "The dozens".

*I would just like to state for the record that I remain convinced that there is no such thing as "Too much Bo Diddley".

NEO

*
One By One works to reduce the “extreme acts of violence” in Toronto
and curb “negative lifestyles” using a team of former neo-Nazis,
mob hit men, Al Queda and gang members.

*

David

curb “negative lifestyles”

I’m pretty sure “turning my life around” isn’t a phrase most employers are excited to see on a resume,

See also, aspiring rapper.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

I'll see your "Music Man" ditty and raise you Imperialist English Gilbert & Sullivan.

Top comment: "The only rapper Eminem was too afraid to diss"

There are some rap songs I quite like, but mostly those mixed with other artists which brings the lyrics front and center. There's "Party & Bullshit in the USA" with Biggie talking about the party life in LA (and I have to wonder ... at one point he calls out "I'm a baaaaaad boy" and I said "Hmmm, that sounds awfully familiar.)

Smallish Bees

Being called "racist" is racist.

I am racist because I do not listen to rap music.

I would also be racist if I did listen to rap music, but not in the right way.

Either way, having been accused, I am now racistTM.

Is there any escape from this trap?

rechill

I remember when "black music" was something to admire and enjoy no matter what color you were.

False Profiteer

While not much of a rap fan, there is definitely interesting, compelling rap music out there. I'll provide De La Soul's "I am, I be" as an example (incidentally showing you how with it I am with current rap music). Is it Bach? No, but it's, in my opinion, a good song with thoughtful lyrics. I'm not going to go find out, but I have a feeling it's a bit better than Mr Stormyz.

Sonny Wayz

"Rap music is an expression of lived experiences..."

Aaand there goes my pomposity detector!

Can somebody out there tell me what 'experiences' are *not* lived? Else (from Perry Mason) it is called 'hearsay'.

WTP

"Rap music is an expression of lived experiences..."

Heh...Like most fiction, rap music is over-the-top exaggeration. Even in the context of some of the more evil characters it's more talk than real action. Not to say there's not a lot of gang-bang and such going on but outside of a couple of exceptions, it's attention seeking BS. Hell, many of them even admit it. For some, that's the whole game itself.

Burnsie

"Rap music is an expression of lived experiences..."

I'm not well-versed in the genre, but it seems those "lived experiences" expressed consist largely of telling ho's what to do and how to do it, preferably on their knees.

On the distaff side, someone just had a big hit singing about her "wet-ass p*ssy," so again those "lived experiences" seem a bit limited in scope. But maybe it's just me.

David

someone just had a big hit singing about her “wet-ass p*ssy,”

If anyone starts twerking their hindquarters or humping the cigarette machine, I’m fetching the hose.

Darleen

"Rap music is an expression of lived experiences..."

Yeah, nothing but ghetto lives, right?

pst314

“A world structurally dominated by white supremacy.”

Well, that rapper’s culture *is* inferior. Grossly so.

Squires

I'm not going to go find out, but I have a feeling it's a bit better than Mr Stormyz.

I think the rise of gangster rap* in the 90s ushered in the degeneration, which was accelerated a decade later by aspiring fartists, I mean artists, discovering autotune.**

*- Culturally appropriating the traditional whitey murder ballad.

**- Culturally appropriating then aging whitey female artists whose voices weren’t what they used to be, ex. Cher.

Paul Carlton

So what do you call it when a black group https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDID-1NYAjg
sings a song by white hippies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FC3Ngeqzr98

Not that I could care less, it's a great song anyway.

NateWhilk

Here's "rapper" Thurl Ravenscroft in a radio commercial for a Chicago car dealer, late 1950s. I must've heard it hundreds of times in the car with my folks. Clip #20.

https://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2007/07/365-days-184---.html

Farnsworth M Muldoon

So what do you call it when a black group does a song by white hippies Hanna-Barbera ?

Paul Carlton

Farnsworth mentioned some of the guys on YouTube who do reviews of music they've never heard before which has been suggested by their followers. Here's one from Just Jayvee, who I watch now and then https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuz8UfHbK1I

He listens to Classical music for the first time (Beethoven's Fifth) and he likes it.

No snide comments from me. OK, it's a genre, but I genuinely like the idea of people listening to music they're not familiar with to see what they actually think of it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

He listens to Classical music for the first time (Beethoven's Fifth) and he likes it.

Yes, but that is just moor black music.

Assistant Village Idiot

Hey, I'm a nerdy white person. How can I get in on this cool rap music thing?

pst314

"Rap music is an expression of lived experiences..."

...lived experiences that often cause death.

Alex

Is there any escape from this trap?

The only winning move is not to play.

Richard

"I genuinely like the idea of people listening to music they're not familiar with to see what they actually think of it."

Me too. When does the music start?

Stevie of Swedeb

Does "Dr." H.A. Nethery IV consider himself black? Looks pretty huwite to me:

https://www.flsouthern.edu/faculty/religion-and-philosophy/nethery-h-a.aspx

He's apparently a Michel Foucault fanboy who teaches "Critical Theories of Race" (the Frankfurt School keeps making the world a better place!), "Philosophies of Gender, Identity, and Sexuality" and "Introduction to Women and Gender Studies" among many other courses. In other words, he teaches neo-Marxist gobbledygook to unsuspecting (?) morons.

Felicity

On the distaff side, someone just had a big hit singing about her "wet-ass p*ssy,"

yeah, but it's racist: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/10/entertainment/kylie-jenner-wap-video-backlash/index.html

Hal

As noted, all rap is effortlessly superseded by putting a tin pan under a dripping faucet to achieve the background random sound loop, and simply turning on any radio or TV chat show for the assorted words.

. . . discovering autotune . . .

Once Upon A Time, Albert Ketèlbey was what the hipsters of the era used for their claims of musical capability and sophistication.

After Ketèlbey, the first stage of muzak was to take the pop music of the time and redo with some part of an orchestra, heavy on the violins.

The second stage of muzak was to do the same, only using synthesizers.

The third and current stage of muzak is anything with autotune.

asiaseen

Ghetto life

Rapper O'Shea Jr., aka OMG (Oh My Goodness), is the son of rap legend and actor Ice Cube. ...is currently worth nearly $100 Million.

David

degeneration

Oh, I don’t know. Those white mediocrities Mozart and Bach clearly lack social and political relevance, having failed to inspire audiences with songs about ejaculating into the face of someone else’s girlfriend.* Their white colonial achievements have been rendered obsolete.

*I am, of course, happy to be corrected on this point.

Allan

So wait we can't relate to "finishing with a facial" because of being white? Going to have to have a word with the missus about the cultural appropriation we've been getting up to..

Jonathan

If only there was a place where unhappy black peoples, black peoples who feel so greatly oppressed by white peoples, could go.

They're running out of space, so they must emigrate!

(US, Russia and Europe superimposed on Africa)

Captain Nemo

*I am, of course, happy to be corrected on this point.

Although (to my knowledge) Mozart never wrote a song about facial ejaculation, Mozart did write a song called "Leck mich im Arsch", which translates to - actually, I'm not sure it needs translation. Not to mention "Bona Nox" and "Difficile Lectu"... Although of course, since Mozart was Mozart, that means they're well composed examples of counterpoint and, more importantly, interesting and enjoyable to listen to:

Leck mich im Arsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MN2WeqFY8

Bona Nox: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVG2VDc6rD8

Difficile Lectu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTRlabuB64s

Hippogryph

I wonder what this Prof. Nethery makes of Japanese rap music. Of which there is quite a bit, and for which the language is quite suitable. Are the Japanese allowed to enjoy rap qua rap, if Bad Whitey is not?

The idea of musical curiosity and appreciation within and between cultures doesn't have any place in Prof. Nethery's consciousness. Appreciating rap can only be a political act, and can only be *allowed* to be an act of political conformity.

So: how could non-black appreciation of rap possibly survive if Prof. Nethery had his way? Rap, as a medium, always involves a certain level of self-assertion and pride. Who's going in for rap if the price of the ticket is cowardly self-abasement?

David

The idea of musical curiosity and appreciation within and between cultures doesn’t have any place in Prof. Nethery’s consciousness. Appreciating rap can only be a political act…

He does seem to view rap chiefly as a vehicle, or supposed vehicle, for his own narrow political preferences. Which seems an inadequate approach to any music, and rather joyless. Much like the dogmatic scolds who bang on about “cultural appropriation,” and who treat culture as tribal and proprietary, while displaying remarkable ignorance of how culture works.

As I’ve said before, they presumably imagine that the world would be richer and more pious without Akira Kurosawa’s vivid reworkings of Shakespeare, or his ‘appropriation’ of American band music of the 30s and 40s, and without Kurosawa’s own films inspiring Sergio Leone and George Lucas, etc. But the riffs and copying, the to-and-fro, are to a very large extent what culture is.

DFG

"Dr. Nethery is currently working on a project in the area of the philosophy of race on the constitution of racialized perception through discursive and non-discursive practices." Ah, I see. I look forward to attempting to read the results of his current project. Sure to be enlightening.

John

Mr Stormzy is probably upset that Mr Dizzee Rascal was awarded an MBE.

Does this make Mr Rascal an Uncle Tom or a Choc Ice? It’s so hard to keep up.

On a not dissimilar topic sky sports, having already royally pissed me off with their never-ending references to black history month and the thoughts of Mikey bloody Holding, are now running ads for something called Stephen Lawrence Day.

Governor Squid

"the philosophy of race on the constitution of racialized perception through discursive and non-discursive practices."

I've read that four times now, and I still couldn't tell you what it means.

fnord

How does he explain that the best selling artist, across all music genres, of this century (so far), is a white male rapper?

A blacque academic expected to display consistency?
How quaint.

fnord

And, what kind of professor professes to study and not know that "rap's" roots are not 100% authentic to the melanin-enriched?

That's not rap. Not a 'bitch' or a 'ho' anywhere to be heard. No rape either.

I daresay the 'lived experience' of women in da hood is of a ..... different level than the rappers.

Jay Guevara

The professor added that rap is a “gift” to white people

Kind of like how somebody's dog keeps bestowing a "gift" on my lawn.

Jay Guevara

"the philosophy of race on the constitution of racialized perception through discursive and non-discursive practices."

I've read that four times now, and I still couldn't tell you what it means.

Posted by: Governor Squid | November 17, 2020 at 23:00

It means a charter member of Club 85 opened a dictionary (mirabile dictu!) that fell open to the page with the word "discursive," and he wanted to work in that word as much as possible to show that he's not as stupid as everyone says.

Darleen

Thunderstruck ... the first year.

Zionist Overlord #73

@Assistant Village Idiot

Hey, I'm a nerdy white person. How can I get in on this cool rap music thing?

I recommend searching youtube for "White and Nerdy" by Weird Al Yankovic. It's a parody of "Driving Dirty" by a rapper called Chamillionaire. I even saw a version with Yankovic's singing overlaying the original video. It effectively satirizes the wannabe-gangster attitudes of middle-class people who ought to know better.

Ok, here's the official video. 145 MILLION views: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw

@PiperPaul

The diversity of subject matter in rap music seems to be about the same as how zombie movies differ.

Not a fan of the genre, but it seems to me that rap is always a vehicle for the assertion of the ego. You never hear a rap song about a beautiful sunset on the beach, walking hand-in-hand with your true love. It's always about Me Me Me. I have all these women at my beck and call. I have all these cops trying to get me. I killed so-and-so for disrespecting me. I this, I that. The emotions on display are always wrath and lust and resentment. The objective is always self-glorification.

Jonathan

Kind of like how somebody's dog keeps bestowing a "gift" on my lawn.

In the same way that the Bubonic Plague was a 'gift' from the Indians....

Burnsie

yeah, but it's racist: https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/10/entertainment/kylie-jenner-wap-video-backlash/index.html

Wait a minute. Black women are angry because a white woman is culturally appropriating their wet-ass p*ssies? Am I reading that right?

And CNN is reporting it as news?

My head is spinning.

pst314

In the same way that the Bubonic Plague was a 'gift' from the Indians....

Were you thinking of some other disease? At least two of the three great Bubonic Plagues that hit Europe originated in Central Asia.

Baceseras

You never hear a rap song about a beautiful sunset on the beach, walking hand-in-hand with your true love 

Been some time and maybe my memory overrates it, but you could check out "I love Cali (in the summertime)" performed by Roscoe behind the end-titles of Hollywood Homicide. A nice groove in any case -- I could go driving, that playing.

orthodoc

OK if I bring the gift of rap back to the store and exchange it?

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