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February 26, 2021

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Darleen

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston's public schools?

David

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston’s public schools?

Reality is “just not acceptable.”

As I said a few days ago, if you are ideologically committed to any number of false premises – say, regarding the aggregate distributions of interest, aptitude, and cognitive wherewithal – then tensions will arise, and mental contortions will have to be performed. And the more evidence piles up to undermine those conceits, the more feverish and irrational, and indeed spiteful, the reactions will be.

See the stupefying, profoundly dishonest reactions to Charles Murray and Noah Carl, for instance.

pst314

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston’s public schools?

They are not "underrepresented minorities." They are underqualified minorities.

pst314

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston’s public schools?

The result of generations of failed policies: Racial quotas can be seen to have failed, as underqualified black students flunk out and underqualified black employees are fired or quit. So the next logical step is to hold back qualified whites and Asians. If blacks cannot succeed then whites and Asians must not, either.

exdemocrat

"Somewhere between a thin rationalisation and a laughable fig-leaf." Well said.

And this is why I differ, slightly, from those (like, say, Brendan O'Neil at Spiked, or James Lindsay) who argue that the post-modernist/critical race identitarian crowd are not necessarily leftist. It seems to me that somewhere near the heart of their madness is a pathological need to overcome the longstanding (and basically correct) argument that socialism cannot work because individuals have different 'interest(s), aptitude(s), and cognitive wherewithal.' The world is a chessboard so these people must insist on the rules being for checkers.

pst314

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston’s public schools?

But quotas will never go out of fashion with the woke. Blind auditions for symphony orchestras are now being attacked as not doing enough for blacks.

"The status quo is not working. If things are to change, ensembles must be able to take proactive steps to address the appalling racial imbalance that remains in their ranks. Blind auditions are no longer tenable.

It's a racial imbalance in competency. Blacks can't cut it, and therefore must be given free stuff.

"This well-intentioned but restrictive practice has prevented substantive action when it comes to the most essential element of maintaining an orchestra: hiring musicians. Musicians’ unions, which have in many ways valiantly worked to protect their members in an economically tenuous industry, have long been tenacious defenders of blind auditions, asserting that they are the best way to ensure fairness."

Blind auditions are not a barrier to hiring musicians. They are a barrier to hiring inferior musicians.

"But in sticking so stubbornly to the practice, unions may be hurting themselves, their orchestras and their art form. Hanging on to a system that has impeded diversity is particularly conspicuous at a moment when the country has been galvanized by revulsion to police brutality against Black Americans — and when orchestras, largely shuttered by the coronavirus pandemic, are brainstorming both how to be more relevant to their communities and how to redress racial inequities among their personnel when they re-emerge."

Wave the bloody shirt of "police brutality", but without noting that blacks are shot more often because they commit crimes more often. And so black criminality becomes another reason to hire more blacks even though they are inferior in accomplishment to whites and Asians.

"If the musicians onstage are going to better reflect the diversity of the communities they serve, the audition process has to be altered to take into fuller account artists’ backgrounds and experiences. Removing the screen is a crucial step."

If it is now a requirement that orchestras fully reflect the diversity of the community, what about people with no musical talent whatsoever? Shouldn't we also be represented?

Chester Draws

How many sub-Saharan black tribes had written languages before the Europeans arrived?

There were substantial and long lasting polities from Ethiopia from well before 0 BC and quite a few around the Gulf of Guinea when the West was still in the Dark Ages. Timbuktu was famous for its wealth. The Almohavids conquered much of Spain.

That most westerners don't know about Axumites, the Songhai, the Mali Empire etc is understandable (how many Africans can tell you anything at all about Medieval Sweden or the Czechs, for example) but that doesn't mean that they were uncivilised barbarians. It pays not to think because you haven't heard of something that it doesn't exist. (This is not some fancy of modern Black activists eager to extend meagre scraps into Empires -- the whole Black Aphrodite and Black Cleopatra nonsense. We've known about this for decades -- I read up on them thirty years ago, and we've learned a lot more since.)

The Geez script: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ge%CA%BDez_script

On the other coast, the Gulf of Guinea, the earlier writing systems were subsumed by Arabic, and the climate and lack of permanent writing materials means little survived from earlier times. (But then the amount of writing we have in the West between the fall of Rome and the advent of Charlemagne is numbered in the dozens. And they had vellum.)

So, most of the immediate south of the Sahara was literate, and indeed in contact with the north, well before the Europeans arrived in their boats.

The jungle areas of Africa didn't seem to have much by way of polities, but the East coast slowly developed. Zanzibar and then Great Zimbabwe are two of the better known.

exdemocrat

"If it is now a requirement that orchestras fully reflect the diversity of the community, what about people with no musical talent whatsoever? Shouldn't we also be represented?

Trade blind auditions for deaf auditions and we're good to go!

Daniel Ream

The Geez script

"Ge'ez script is derived from the Ancient South Arabian script which originated in the region centred around what is now Yemen. The earliest inscriptions of Semitic languages in Eritrea and Ethiopia date to the 9th century BCE, which is known as Epigraphic South Arabian (ESA), an abjad shared with contemporary kingdoms in South Arabian peninsula."

Yes, sub-Saharan Africa had writing before the Europeans arrived. They got it from the Arabian Muslims who invaded after the 7th century. There is zero archaeological or documentary evidence for sub-Saharan polities beyond the tribal level that were not created by North African invasion.

pst314

"There were substantial and long lasting polities from Ethiopia...On the other coast, the Gulf of Guinea..."

I had inklings of such in East Africa, but had not heard anything about sub-Saharan West Africa. Thanks!

"the climate and lack of permanent writing materials means little survived from earlier times."

I have read about that in terms of art and artisanal artifacts but not writing.

pst314

Trade blind auditions for deaf auditions and we're good to go!

That would certainly benefit me.

exdemocrat

And once that's done, we can all focus our efforts on pretending the performances aren't rubbish (and not being the first to stop applauding them).

asiaseen

And just because the dumb can't sing - at least they can mime

WTP

Funny no one seems to mention Voltaire anymore...

Pangloss

Candide's teacher, a philosopher who follows the teachings of the philosopher Leibniz. Pangloss argues that this world is “the best of all possible worlds,” and none of his many misfortunes—including enslavement, hanging, and losing an eye and an ear to syphilis—can convince him otherwise. His name means “all-tongue,” reflecting his tendency to speak at length about philosophy no matter what is going on.

pst314

Pangloss

I would like to quietly cultivate my own garden, but those fucking liberals won't let me.

Chester Draws

Daniel -- and we got our script from the same root, via the Phonecians, too. Even the word "alpha best" gives it away.

The question was about literacy south of the Sahara. Don't come all No True Scotsman by changing the terms of the question.

There's evidence for local scripts, but I wasn't going to wade into contested waters when not relevant to what was asked.

Chester Draws

Sorry, "alpha-bet", from the symbols for ox and house.

pst314

There's evidence for local scripts, but I wasn't going to wade into contested waters...

I think I made a mistake with that cheap throw-away joke that started this. :-(
...although I did learn something...

Felicity

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston's public schools?

Numbers are not adding up for me. According to the article, "nearly 80 percent of all Boston public school students are Hispanic and Black." But, according to the last census 24.4% of the Boston population were black and 17.5% latino. Sounds like non-hispanic whites (47%) are voting with their feet regarding education.

JML

Trade blind auditions for deaf auditions and we're good to go!

A couple of years ago, here in the Antipodes, a Behavioural Science unit conducted an experiment. They sent identical resumes to a bunch of public service managers, half gendered and half non-gendered, to see who was proposed an interview. The hypothesis was that gendered resumes would tilt the scales against wimmin. Much to their surprise, when the resumes were gendered, females were significantly more likely to be selected for interview than males.

Effortlessly they changed tack, and recommended that gendered resumes were to be preferred in promoting diversity.

Squires

Numbers are not adding up for me.

When I was in high school Somerville, NJ, the town, was somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 white. The school however was a different matter, even with all of us who were bussed in from another town that was more like 9/10 white. I suspect that a lot of the white families from Somerville had their kids in the local Catholic school.

NTSOG

I wonder if Madame Diana Moon Glampers has a contract which includes a potential incentive bonus for superior educational outcomes in children in the schools she supervises resulting from her 'management'? If so she should not receive it.

Nikw211

(Off Topic)

When I was at high school, the Berlin Wall came down about the same time a guy I knew, let's call him "Lenny", befriended the Socialist Workers who at that time regularly used to hang around selling papers in the city centre.

Lenny's parents had divorced a few years earlier and although it bore it well in public everyone who knew him even more than passing well knew that it had left him angry, frustrated and resentful.

It was about the point where his mother started seeing someone that he found himself welcomed with open arms by the Comrades of the Socialist Worker, who gave him a place to crash when it all got a bit much at home and who had a ready supply of fags, booze and, let's not forget, girls, some of the older by a few years and studying at one or other of the local universities.

So one day, at school, I'm studying in the school library with a girl from my class when Lenny appears round the corner, his eyes lighting up with delight at finding us there.

Unbidden, out of nowhere, he quickly catches us up with his recent reversion to Socialism - bear in mind the the visible destruction of the Berlin Wall is being almost nightly televised at this time - and then he says:

"I'm brilliant at debating me! Go on! Debate me! Ask me anything! I can win any argument!"

Neither me nor the girl I was with in the library showed any interest at all, but he persisted and in the end he had to go with why Communism was superior to anything the West have to offer and the girl (let's call her "Whitney") took the bait.

    Whitney - "If it was so good in East Germany, why did so many try to escape?"

    Lenny - "They didn't! No one tried to escape!"

    Whitney - "But it's on film - there's TV footage of it!"

    Lenny - "That's all faked by the CIA!"

    Whitney - "But some people were killed trying to get across!"

    Lenny - "It was all fake! Those graves are empty!"

It continued in this vein for some time until he suddenly got up with a triumphant flourish, declaring himself to have been the "winner" in the debate.

As I hope is clear, it wasn't that he was "brilliant at debating" as claimed, just that he had been trained by his newfound Comrades that the best way to deal with lines of argument tricky to the Socialist position (otherwise known as "facts") was to lie - lie loudly, lie brazenly, and lie in volume. Mount a barrage of lies one on top of another as fast as possible until, beyond exasperated, the other person simply walks away at which point you can declare yourself the victor.

I was reminded of this episode just this morning while looking at Andy Ngo's Twitter feed.

Every time he posts a video of Antifa engaging in mayhem and violence, you can find at least half a dozen replies or so under any one video such as this:


Or this:


Or this:


I should be used to this by now, but this degree of effrontery still leaves me speechless.

And the latest on Ngo's feed?

How one attempt at a civil conversation came to an abrupt and violent end.

But remember, what you're seeing there, in that woman being pinned to the ground while being beaten senseless, can't be fascism because "Antifa" literally means "against fascism".

Ergo she was a fascist and deserved it.

David

(Off Topic)

I wouldn’t say it was off-topic at all. The denial of reality leads to some very strange places, often unhappy places. Neurotic behaviour becomes hard to avoid. And the fact that Lenny’s rhetorical dance, and that of the Antifa boosters, bears some resemblance to the rote contortions of the “equity” industry scarcely needs pointing out.

John Lewis

And once that's done, we can all focus our efforts on pretending the performances aren't rubbish

We seem to have come full circle back to Diana Moon Glampers.

Squires

Those graves are empty!

And that means they’ll need filling, for real this time, with the bodies of those who would not believe that they were empty.

pst314

Mount a barrage of lies one on top of another as fast as possible

That does indeed describe the left. Some of the leftists I have known were crude liars whose bullshit was obvious to anyone ("there are no demographic differences in crime rates") while others were more sophisticated ("those differences are due to [insert Marxist boilerplate]").

pst314

Who knew that Diana Moon Glampers was running Boston's public schools?

I was in my early teens when that story was first published in book form in 1968 and lots of kids were talking about it. At the time I saw it as pure sci-fi: as a moral lesson that could not ever really happen. At that time I believed in the unlimited power of affirmative action programs to make the world right and also in the benevolence, rationality, and wisdom of the left. That the failure of racial quotas could lead the left to embrace the world of Harrison Bergeron never even occurred to me.

WTP

From further down the twitter feed:

"its like insane how many people literally can't seem to wrap their tiny brains around why people would be protesting."

So see? She did deserve it. Her and her tiny brain.

pst314

Lenny - "They didn't! No one tried to escape!"

My favorite leftist response to the Berlin Wall (favorite for its hilarious lunacy) was the assertion that the Communists did the West a favor by building the Wall: without the Wall we would have been overwhelmed by millions of refugees which would have collapsed our economies. (This from a College Know It All Hippie, of course.)

pst314

But remember, what you're seeing there, in that woman being pinned to the ground while being beaten senseless, can't be fascism

This is why George Zimmerman carried.

Nikw211

I wouldn’t say it was off-topic at all.

Ah, yes,I suppose so - I think I said it just because it was a personal anecdote.

And the fact that Lenny’s rhetorical dance, and that of the Antifa boosters, bears some resemblance to the rote contortions of the “equity” industry scarcely needs pointing out.

Something very much on topic I would say, but in news that should come as no surprise to anyone:

    Newly published research indicates that people who more frequently signal their victimhood (whether real, exaggerated, or false) are more likely to lie and cheat for material gain and denigrate others as a means to get ahead.

While a healthy degree of scepticism needs to be maintained in the reporting of "research" such as this, I think lived experience seems to bear this out quite clearly without the need for statistical evidence of the same.

Nikw211

the assertion that the Communists did the West a favor by building the Wall

Undoubtedly, the real reason.

pst314

the assertion that the Communists did the West a favor by building the Wall

I have wondered now and then what happened to those College Know It All Commies that I used to know. Did they eventually get a clue or did they keep their delusions?

David

Newly published research indicates that people who more frequently signal their victimhood… are more likely to lie and cheat

Fourteen years of archives here would seem to support that statement. Assuming that people won’t exploit theatrical victimhood for unedifying reasons, and do so routinely, is, to say the least, a big ask. The obvious temptations and leverage have never been more obvious, and more available, than now. And even setting aside the opportunities for manipulation and abuse, continually thinking of oneself as a victim, as if that were a defining trait, a go-to excuse, is psychologically poisonous.

WTP

OK, I just watched the Andy Ngo videos with the sound on this time. The victim tells the protesters that she voted for Biden. I know it's "wrong" but my sympathy dropped to zero...or below.

WTP

Fourteen years of archives here

Well, exactly. Or even 14 days...

pst314

Well, exactly. Or even 14 days...

Thanks for mentioning that again. This time I remembered to download and archive the paper.

WTP

This time I remembered to download and archive the paper.

Yesterday I felt the need AGAIN to verify what I know of the George Zimmerman case. When I went to my bookmarked link, a rather crudely done web page but one that had proper links to the source information, court case data, etc. I found that many of the links no longer work. I've downloaded the site itself and saved it to pdf for my own backup reference, but this crap is getting seriously scary. Before long, we will all be Nikw211's Lenny. There will be no way to prove otherwise. Not that anyone cares to believe the facts anyway, but at least it's nice to pretend.

pst314

I've downloaded the site itself and saved it to pdf

How do you do that?

Yes, many of my saved links are now broken.
Also: I started saving articles as emails back in the late 90's. Many of those emails are now corrupted, showing that online services cannot be trusted.

WTP

In chrome it's kinda awkward/odd, but you use the Print menu and change your "Destination" to "save as pdf".

pst314

you use the Print menu and change your "Destination" to "save as pdf".

Ah, so you meant "save one page at a time". Got it. That "print to PDF" feature is very useful. I thought you were talking about a tool that crawled an entire website or designated portion.

WTP

Meanwhile, check out the Nazi symbolism being used at CPAC...

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2021/02/27/tmz-and-snopes-are-both-on-the-case-of-the-nazi-inspired-cpac-stage/

pst314

David's readers should also be aware of the Internet Archive Wayback Machine, which archives entire websites. But not all websites are archived, because owners can flag their websites to not be crawled by the IAWM's bots.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Meanwhile, check out the Nazi symbolism...

TMZ twitter logo black text in a red circle...problematic.


PiperPaul

Have they gone after Kiss yet or are they too scared of Gene Simmons?

Darleen

There are people in high places that need a severe beating.

Daniel Ream

At the time I saw it as pure sci-fi: as a moral lesson that could not ever really happen

I should note that the 1980s mini series V was a substantial rework of the Sinclair Lewis novel It Can't Happen Here, about how a Hitleresque fascist dictator comes to power in the United States.

There are people in high places that need a severe beating.

Forget it, Jake. It's Canadastan.

Steve E

There are people in high places that need a severe beating.

Also the parents who are following these "guidelines".

My wife's co-worker's eight-year-old son was sent home for this quarantine just before Christmas and they followed instructions to a tee. He had to be tested and his three brother's and sisters had to be tested. The testing centre would not allow more than one person from the same family get the test at one time. The boy tested negative and was still forced to go through this hell for 10-days because the test results were delayed. In our jurisdication, the "authorities" still won't accept or promote rapid testing.

They've been sending kids home with the sniffles.

juliaeryn

(Off Topic)

I have also been irritated by this style of debate. Not to engage in any meaningful way then bizarrely declare themselves the victor.

This is the basically word for word discussion I once had:

Person: The obstetrician was a mysogynist and mutilated that woman with no justification. he should be in jail.
Me: Well, he had to make a call in a crisis moment as to whether to perform that caesarian. If he hadn't it is very likely the baby or mum would have died. It is also possible the mum, in her pain didn't realise just how dangerous the situation had become.
Person: Don't defend him, he mutilated her viciously and carelessly.
Me: I'm not defending him. A c section is standard practice with that clinical presentation as the alternatives are far more dangerous. he could have explained his reasoning to the mum better, but she may not have been able to process it given her distress.
Person: Don't defend him, he mutilated her viciously and carelessly.
Me: What do you think would have been the better/more realistic approach? Is it worth the risk of death to the baby or significant harm/death to mum?
Person: Don't defend him, he mutilated her viciously and carelessly.
Me: It was hardly a careless operation, both mum and baby came out healthy, and I'm not sure what doing it 'viciously' would look like, but what is the evidence he behaved viciously?
Person: I hope now you have a new perspective on this situation to replace your previous one that is obviously a result of ignorance and misogyny. I will leave things here, hoping that you have taken the opportunity to learn and grow from this.
Me: *dies inside*

Daniel Ream

I hope now you have a new perspective on this situation

Like playing chess with a pigeon - it knocks the pieces over, sh*ts all over the board, and then struts around like it won.

David

This is the basically word for word discussion I once had

It does, I think, capture a default incuriosity. Actually, incuriosity isn’t quite the right word – it sounds indifferent, neutral, and passive. In my encounters, the attitude has been more determined, almost a desperation not to hear. Not so much an attempt at discussion, even a really bad attempt; more a desire to hector you without comeback or unwanted complication. No unpredicted variables.

See also.

And this seems relevant.

As does this.

Note that Mr Dreadlocks, seen above, doesn’t regard his exchange as a discussion. There’s no listening, no curiosity. It’s merely a scolding session, one delivered in absurd claims and logically dubious slogans, all regurgitated from lecture notes. This is followed, triumphantly, by the “I’m turning my back on you and not listening because I already know everything” tactic. Because that’s what students do, you see. Students who are also determined to stop others hearing information they may not already know.

And remember, these are the prime candidates for woke programming, the types you’ll see over and over again. People whose intelligence extends to regurgitating slogans, at times randomly, but not much further, and who are not clever enough, or decent enough, to be embarrassed by it.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Afraid of germs and ideas you don't like ? Your Worries are over, via Orwell & Goode, I give you the Individual Universal Virus and Ungood
Language Asylum (iUVULA).

Farnsworth M Muldoon

iUVULA™; masks sold separately.

WTP

Me: *dies inside*

Yeah. Me all the time now. Especially in context of the George Zimmerman case. The phrase "We don't need you to do that " is not the equivalent of "Do not do that", especially in the context of that moment.

Had a long argument with my SIL about the numerous, leftist inaccuracies and downright lies in the Hidden Figures movie. As said, incuriosity isn't quite the right word. An overt preference for ignorance in the face of better information? Is there a word for that? And now she's all OMG, OMG, OMG when I question her surces of information when dealing with her busybody attitude regarding how wife and I are dealing with the virus situation.

David

iUVULA

The Pod People are here. We must flee.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

The Pod People are here.

The iUVULA, only $129.99

OK, on one hand, Yay Capitalism. OTOH, when did people become such chickenshits...

Created by outdoor warriors for outdoor warriors, our Pods help you stay dry & comfortable when you’re outside—regardless of what the weather has in store for you.

a) A real "outdoor warrior" would both prepare for weather, and if caught suddenly, deal with being cold or wet. ("I don't know Meriwheter, are you mad ? St. Louis to the Pacific, we could get wet")

b) Down here on the good side of The Line of Mason and Dixon, I suppose they would make good portable saunas ("Up to 35° warmer inside than outside"), as long as they come with built in IVs for the inevitable heat injury.

iUVULA™, (CAUTION: Do not consume beans, cabbage, or carbonated beverages 24 hours before wearing)

pst314

Had a long argument with my SIL about the numerous, leftist inaccuracies and downright lies in the Hidden Figures movie. As said, incuriosity isn't quite the right word. An overt preference for ignorance in the face of better information?

I have encountered that too: The only important thing in his eyes was that the movie told us all how smart black people are. Any inaccuracies or distortions did not matter because of the supremely important political purpose of the movie.

He did, at least, admit that the Red Tails movie lied when it said that in all their escort missions the black fighter pilots never lost a bomber, but he regarded that lie as entirely unimportant.

Does it not occur to any of these fools that movies which tell racial lies undermine their pet cause? If the public realizes that these movies exaggerate the accomplishments of black people, that it may have a similar effect to how affirmative action causes sane people to have doubts about black job applicants? (Not to mention that those who tell lies, and those who approve of those lies, do not deserve our respect or trust.)

juliaeryn

It is terribly frustrating! Indifferent is also a great word for it, David. Ultimately the end goal is to win and to maintain your self image as Jesus-Batman, but maybe they know they can't do that if they engage with arguments even with blatant lies (the CIA! Or Something!) cause they don't think quickly enough to form the initial lie and the response to the inevitable correction. Funny enough that is literally how I teach my clients with mild IDs to be more assertive (usually to be able to say no to people who harrass them for money or other... things). Just repeat no, like a broken record regardless of what the user says. Do not try to address their arguments, do not try to justify why you say no. That will only create a weak spot or a point of negotiation.. Which my clients will lose.
Wtp... I admire your energy. I can't argue with people I know anymore. It makes me resent them when these silly arguments happen and I hate thinking that way about friends and family. That's when *I* become avoidant...

Daniel Ream

I don't know Meriwether, are you mad ? St. Louis to the Pacific, we could get wet

Apropos of nothing, I'd like to recommend the Explorers Podcast, a thoroughly unwoke history podcast about various explorers throughout history. The podcaster has a history degree and does a lot of research, treats his subjects fairly and eschews the typical anti-colonial narratives.

maintain your self image as Jesus-Batman

"The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule." ~ H.L. Mencken

I can't argue with people I know anymore. It makes me resent them when these silly arguments happen and I hate thinking that way about friends and family. That's when *I* become avoidant

I've run into much the same problem, although it started long before #CurrentYear. Having a minor in history makes getting dragged along to SCA events...trying.

pst314

Having a minor in history makes getting dragged along to SCA events...trying.

What are the delusions etc that you have encountered? I wonder how much our experiences overlap/differ. (Such stories are always interesting, so feel free to relate as many as you wish.)

WTP

I can't argue with people I know anymore.

As much as I hate to say it, I'm damn close to being unable to do anything but argue. There's hardly a subject that isn't infused with PC BS. I used to keep these things somewhat compartmentalized but after the virus and other idiocy started last year, I've gotten very, very sick of the virtue signaling and the presumption of "we all agree, right?" about things that are quite far left, the surrender of our rights, and/or the demonization of common sense. Pretty much up until last year, I would comfort myself with the idea that maybe, just maybe the things I was seeing or the way I was seeing them were wrong or exaggerated. I would comfort myself by telling myself my fears would not materialize, at least not in my lifetime, that maybe I was the one not processing reality appropriately, and thus I could talk myself out raising concerns a great deal of the time. But now that we've reached this point, this state of bedlam across Western Civilization, where things far worse than what I feared are materializing, I no longer have that...comfort.

exdemocrat

I have long refused to engage in debate with wilfully ignorant jerks. Instead, if pressed, I use one or both of these film/TV tropes as my go to:

"You are passionate ... But you do not persuade."

and/or

"Your story has become tiresome."

pst314

Having a minor in history makes getting dragged along to SCA events...trying.

My own memories are getting dim as it has been decades since I have had much contact with those people.

pst314

Having a minor in history makes getting dragged along to SCA events...trying.

Let's see... Everyone fantasized about being a noble, or a knight, or a member of the clergy, etc. No peasants, no serfs. Samurai and Arab or Mongol warriors were also somewhat popular. So basically, LARPing.

pst314

On the positive side, there were people searching out ancient recipes for wine and experimenting with making them well.

pst314

On the negative side, I was astonished at the amount of New Age woo that I encountered in the SCA. Also the amount of open hatred of Christianity.

ComputerLabRat

Also the amount of open hatred of Christianity.

How did that square with the number of people LARPing as members of the clergy?

I was looking at joining the SCA in grad school, after they started doing fencing demos/lessons on the quad on Tuesday afternoons. Hey - it was free and I got to learn swordfighting - how cool was that! I attended one of their meetups at the local park one weekend, and the reality of women in medieval life was kinda starkly brought out. I wanted to join for the swordfighting, but the majority of women at the meet were off in their own section, sewing, embroidering, spinning thread, cooking. They didn't ban women from the sword stuff, but you had to come up with a plausible in-character way to be whatever you were wanting to be.

I never got further into it though - graduated, moved away, and no local SCA chapter. But it did seem like it would be fun, on the surface, anyways.

WTP

They didn't ban women from the sword stuff, but you had to come up with a plausible in-character way to be whatever you were wanting to be.

So like, Joan of Arc or something?

pst314

They didn't ban women from the sword stuff, you had to come up with a plausible in-character way to be whatever you were wanting to be.

I vaguely recall some people whose characters were a Samurai and a Muslim warrior, who constructed stories to explain how they traveled to Medieval Europe. Also a couple Native Americans. I have no memory of the explanations.

Terry Pratchett did say, in an interview, that there were far more disguised women soldiers in European armies than is popularly known, although I believe he was talking about post-Middle-Ages wars. I've never bothered to check this myself

pst314

How did that square with the number of people LARPing as members of the clergy?

There weren't many LARPing as clergy, but I think they squared it by rarely noticing how many members despised Christianity. The irony reached its peak when they happily used free facilities provided by local churches.

pst314

So like, Joan of Arc or something?

Not many virgins, I believe.

ComputerLabRat

So like, Joan of Arc or something?

Terry Pratchett did say, in an interview, that there were far more disguised women soldiers in European armies than is popularly known

Yes, to both, although I was leaning toward the second as Joan had a bit of a bad end. With all the layers of protective clothing and headgear you had to don for the sword fighting, it wouldn't be hard to pass for a short teenage boy. And I think boys got their start apprenticing off as squires or something - I wasn't planning on inventing a grand knight.

It seems that anti-Christianity is trendy and has been for years, especially on college campuses, so I'm not surprised. Which is funny that it was so prevalent in the SCA - wasn't the code of knights and whatnot influenced a lot by their religion, which was Christianity at the time? Even the monarchy had its religious advisors - the bishops and such were more politicians that anything. The New Age woo might have been their way of getting magick into their SCA LARPing.

pst314

Which is funny that it was so prevalent in the SCA

Feel free to speculate that the SCA people I encountered might not have been entirely typical of the entire, North American, organization: I can only honestly report on what I saw. However, there was a lot of overlap between the SCA and science fiction fandom and I soon learned that open anti-Christian bigotry was indeed widespread among science fiction fans. I once met someone in the early 80's (Ross Pavlac?) at the World SF convention in Chicago who was working very hard to counter the bigotry. He had some success, but it was temporary and since his death the hostility has only increased.

pst314

The New Age woo might have been their way of getting magick into their SCA LARPing.

I did not notice it at the occasional events I attended, aside from a tiny number of people who dressed in costumes reminiscent of black magic obsessions. (All black, or black-and-red, robes? Pentagrams? Etc? For historical verisimilitude shouldn't they have been burned at the stake?)

Rather, it mostly happened at parties I would be invited to. It is, however, impossible for me to ask these people about what as going on as I stopped socializing as the annoyance of the crackpottery exceeded the enjoyment of the company. (Would you want to be constantly asked your astrological sign or expected to assent to the power of crystals and auras?)

pst314

David, do I have a comment stuck in the spam filter?

David

Freed.

pst314

Free!

pst314

[ Steps closer. Pauses. ] Thanks, brother. [ Embraces. ]

pst314

[ Police constable walks into bar. ]

Good afternoon, pst314 and David, here are your voluntary mandatory appointments for COVID testing. Don't even think of forgetting.

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