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February 04, 2021

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JuliaM

Let’s hope their next victim is armed with something more appropriate than a shovel.

David

It does, I think, boil down to pest control.

And we’ve seen the moral contortions to which this so-called compassion can lead.

Tom
Let’s hope their next victim is armed with something more appropriate than a shovel.

Unfortunately it's not likely in Chicago, "The City That Hates When People Defend Themselves", which has been run by gun-hatin'* Democrats for the last...50 to 60 years at a guess.

They don't hate everyone having guns for self-defense, gangbangers are fine, police - just barely, private citizens - Hah.

David

“The City That Hates When People Defend Themselves”

As shown in the link above with Mr Zack Ford, it’s a recurring theme in ‘progressive’ posturing.

And so, we’re told – say, by Seattle’s woke lawmakers – that objections to being robbed, or seeing others being robbed, are merely “anti-poverty bias,” something to overcome. And likewise, we’re told that objecting to home invasion “comes from a place of privilege” and is therefore suspect, and that the wellbeing of burglars is of at least equal importance to that of their numerous victims. These contortions are typically a result of a common psychological dynamic – at least, one that’s common among leftists – whereby pretentious compassion for criminal predators is much more statusful – i.e., beneficial to the leftist – than compassion for the law-abiding victims of those predators.

Variations of this rhetorical dance are not hard to find.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

......50 to 60 years at a guess.

Since 1911, withe the exception of William Thompson's split terms, (1915-1923 and 1927-1931), all the mayors have been democrats. Daley alone was mayor for over 21 consecutive years, and probably still would be had he not joined the choir invisible.

Andy ex-Taiwan

How long does it usually take to come down with Stockholm syndrome? Could this be a record-breaking case of it?

Atempdog

I once read a SF story where one of the background features was no fault crime, where the criminal and the victim were both held equally accountable. That was, of course, naive. The guilt will be assigned based on social justice points, where the victim who defends himself will be the most guilty of all since he is keeping the predators from what is rightfully theirs.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Slightly off topic, but speaking of Washington State politics and other things run by democrats, what could possibly go wrong ?

President Biden faces growing questions about the appointment of a Democratic donor to oversee billions of dollars in unemployment benefits despite her role at a state agency that lost hundreds of millions in coronavirus relief funds to Nigerian scammers.
pst314

a tale of crime and punishment. Well, crime, anyway

Note that the link is to a very useful source of information on crime in Chicago: it reports things that the "professional" newspapers either suppress or do not bother to find out.

pst314

I once read a SF story where one of the background features was no fault crime, where the criminal and the victim were both held equally accountable.

Sounds like a social satire that might have appeared in Analog in the 60's or 70's. In today's woke world, however, such a story would be more likely to presented such a world as a Good Thing--and would be nominated for a Hugo Award.

TomJ

Farnsowrth, how could you be so mean? Those Nigerian scammers probably needed $600,000,000.

semi retired conservative

Chicago in winter, Nigerians, a farcical story.... this all reminds me of something...

John Lewis

pst314

Another invaluable source of crime information in Chicago has been silenced.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2021/1/13/22229449/second-city-cop-blog-goes-dark-website-closed-public-chicago-police-reform-lightfoot

pst314

And so, because of this clown’s self-imagined altruism...the armed carjackers will learn a perverse lesson about violating the law-abiding, at gunpoint, and getting away with it.

"Mug him again!"
"Back in the late 1980s, there was a judge in New York City named Bruce Wright, known to all as 'Turn 'Em Loose Bruce' for his lenience towards the criminals who came up before him. This was one of those liberal judges who had an excuse for every felon, even for those too stupid or obstreperous to have prepared an excuse for themselves. Well, one day Judge Wright got mugged in the street near his home. He was off work for a few days. It was a big story in the tabloid newspapers, and a lot of people were making jokes about it. When Judge Wright returned to the bench, he made a point of starting off that day's session with an announcement: 'As I'm sure you all know, I was the victim of a criminal assault the other day. I want to make it clear that this experience will in no way change my sentencing policies on this bench!' As he paused to let this sink in someone called out from the back of the courtroom: 'Mug him again!'"
--from Do-Gooders: How Liberals Hurt Those They Claim to Help (and the Rest of Us), by Mona Charen

JuliaM

@Farnsworth: ’ Daley alone was mayor for over 21 consecutive years, and probably still would be had he not joined the choir invisible.’

He probably still votes though!

pst314

Daley alone was mayor for over 21 consecutive years, and probably still would be had he not joined the choir invisible.

His son was mayor for about 22 years and then retired. The local newspapers seem to have forgotten about the harm that he and other Democrats did.

anon a mouse

After reading the reports, I wonder if this is a case of said "owner" knowing who the "liberators" are, and is simply hoping that they'll not... revisit (yeah, that's the ticket) him.

APL

Well maybe it's not sheer altruism and benevolence. After all, the carjackers have friends and associates - with likely similar proclivities- and they know exactly where he lives. The Lexus owner (although likely living a comfortable distance away from the "hood") has probably heard of the expression "snitches get stiches" and possibly decided that it's better to not press charges rather than risk getting gunned down at a later date by aggrieved felons (and/or associates) on "no cash" bail.

I'm just suggesting other more pragmatic alternatives to simple virtue signaling.

Governor Squid

...a state agency that lost hundreds of millions in coronavirus relief funds to Nigerian scammers.

Bit of a winding road, but bear with me:

A close friend of mine who works in anti-fraud at a big financial services company was telling a group of us about a case she was working where a client of the company called for help in a scam. The client had been interviewed for an opening at a big-name company, but due to COVID all the interviews and correspondence were virtual. (That might raise red flags for some, but if I were stuck on my couch watching my debts grow I could see myself going along with it.)

The clincher came when this person got the job, and the "HR specialist" arranged for a payment for home-office setup costs as part of the on-boarding. The $900 setup credit came through as a $9,000 check. The lucky new hire called it in to report the error, and was told to "go ahead and cash it, and we'll sort out the difference through Payroll later." This was enough of a red flag to trigger the client into realizing he'd been conned, and so he called his bank to see what he should do, which is where my friend got involved.

Turns out the money he'd been sent was originally scammed from the Arizona office of unemployment services. The bank called the state office to report the fraud and arrange for the return of the funds. The state had no idea how they would arrange the repayment -- their job is strictly to disburse funds as widely as possible, so nobody had a clue about how to manage cash flows in the other direction.

So I guess I'm saying that if this empty suit from Washington doesn't work out, the Biden team should look to Arizona as a second option.

David

The Lexus owner… has probably heard of the expression “snitches get stiches” and possibly decided that it’s better to not press charges

Conceivably. Though with each such choice, the predators and sociopaths are rewarded and emboldened, and everyone else is put in a little more danger than before.

pst314

The Lexus owner… has probably heard of the expression “snitches get stiches” and possibly decided that it’s better to not press charges

Conceivably. Though with each such choice, the predators and sociopaths are rewarded and emboldened, and everyone else is put in a little more danger than before.

Note that liberal judges, lawyers, and activists do not just protect muggers and thieves: they also protect the gangsters who enforce the "snitches get stitches" decrees.

anon a mouse

although likely living a comfortable distance away from the "hood"

*birthed in Chicago*

Ah, no. Along 90 and a few points west are a bit... hoodish. Shame too, as the west side wasn't so bad just some years back, but north of 270 nowadays - yikes.

Darleen Click

No charges will be filed against any of them in connection with the matter because the victim refused to prosecute,

Sorry, while I'm unfamiliar with Illinois, even in California the victim has no say over the prosecution of crime. If you look at the filed charging documents it is "the People of California" v "Def Joe Smith".

This usually comes up way too much in domestic violence cases where the baby momma with a broken arm, two black eyes and bruising around her neck comes to plead with the DA "I don't want to press no charges! Let him go! I done fall down the stairs is all! I LOOOOOVE him!"

We (would) prosecute anyway.

Of course, now in parts of CA, like Los Angeles County - once a perp is convicted of a serious felony the DA pretty much flushes victims down the toilet. Victims of misdemeanors aren't even allowed in the front door.

Nikw211

And so, because of this clown’s self-imagined altruism - which is to say, his preening and moral cowardice - the armed carjackers will learn a perverse lesson about violating the law-abiding, at gunpoint, and getting away with it. They will be emboldened further and incentivised to see others as mere prey, people from whom things can be taken.

All of that right there.

Especially the part about learning "a perverse lesson" since as if the situation weren't quite bad enough already, it turns out the carjackers are either still of high school age - just imagine teaching them for a moment - or can only have very recently graduated (assuming they ever attended in the first place):

    [P]olice found the stolen car in traffic on the 5100 block of West Madison and pulled it over. Officers detained the four occupants: a 19-year-old man, a 19-year-old woman, a 15-year-old boy, and a 15-year-old girl.

Quite what this might suggest about some two decades or more of education policies designed to disrupt the so-called "school-to-prison pipeline" is hard to say exactly.

That said, I might hazard the suggestion that designing an education system around solutions to wholly imaginary causes for very real social problems is likely to prove unreliable at best as a recipe for success.

David

it turns out the carjackers are either still of high school age - just imagine teaching them for a moment - or can only have very recently graduated…

The particulars of the instance above aren’t clear, but it is, I gather, common for gangs to put teenagers on carjacking duty precisely because of the leniency they typically encounter if caught.

Sam

Stacy McCain helpfully points out out that car-jacking is not some trivial matter, example no.[infinity] of basic concepts being somehow lost in the modern milieu. In ye olden times horse thievery was often swiftly punished by death because - other than them being sources of wealth for the rich - horses were so vital to contemporary life. That anyone can excuse taking something that often contains your family, is the 2nd most expensive item most ever purchase, and that people absolutely rely on - AT GUNPOINT - is your daily reminder that our civilization and the Rat Utopian conditions we currently enjoy is most certainly f*cked.

Cheers.

Governor Squid

...precisely because of the leniency they typically encounter if caught.

Hey -- there's also the fact that they're stupid and you don't have to pay them much!

Sam

Hey -- there's also the fact that they're stupid and you don't have to pay them much!

But enough about military recruiting! (I kid...somewhat)

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Farnsowrth, how could you be so mean?

Clearly just another example of my xenophobia, racism, and yte privilege. I denounce myself.

His son was mayor for about 22 years and then retired.

I forgot about him - in the last 110 years, 98 years of democrats, 43+ years of a Daley, clearly Chicago being a minestrone hoagy is Trump's fault

pst314

I denounce myself.

As do I. As penance we must split this bottle of fine Bordeaux.

a minestrone hoagy

LOL.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

As penance we must split this bottle of fine Bordeaux.

Very gracious of you, in return, may I offer some of my finest Chateau Muldoon beet vodka which has been aged in the finest Lowe's plastic bucket since last night ?

It pairs nicely with rectum de porc braisé avec de l'herbe coupée .

pst314

Um...

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Um...

Hey, now, that is considered fine dining in the Great White North Covid Camps.

Sort-Of-Mad Max

clearly Chicago being a minestrone hoagy is Trump's fault

You've just taken the words out of current Chicaga mayorella Lori Lightfoot's (AKA 'Groot') mouth. She's currently blaming her teachers union's refusal to actually go back to work on the Trump administration.

RNB

"I once read a SF story where one of the background features was no fault crime..." Sounds rather like one of Christopher Anvil's 'Interstellar Patrol' stories, published in 'Analog' under the editorship of John W. Campbell, Jr.

NTSOG

Obviously none of the connoisseurs on this site are in the 'class' of that famous imbiber Chrissie Teigen who complained to the peasantry on Twitter recently:

"One time john and I were at a restaurant and the waiter recommended a nice Cabernet. We got the bill and it was 13,000 dollars. HOW DO U CASUALLY RECOMMEND THAT WINE. We didn’t even finish it and it had been cleared!!!”

A fool and her money ..?

fnord

a 19-year-old man of no particular apperance, a 19-year-old woman of no particular apperance, a 15-year-old boyof no particular apperance, and a 15-year-old girl of no particular apperance

fnord

His son was mayor for about 22 years and then retired. The local newspapers seem to have forgotten about approve of the harm that he and other Democrats did.

David

As he paused to let this sink in someone called out from the back of the courtroom: ‘Mug him again!’

Well, quite.

Stacy McCain helpfully points out that car-jacking is not some trivial matter,

When you’re merrily carjacking random people, and robbing them, at gunpoint, I think we can assume that some fairly profound moral threshold has been crossed, the kind from which the path back isn’t obvious. It seems to me that the wellbeing of people who cross that threshold is not – and shouldn’t be - of any great concern.

Steve E

Hey, now, that is considered fine dining in the Great White North Covid Camps.

Here's what they're actually serving, as photogaphed by one of the zeks:

Click here for a more complete tour of the gulag's facilities.

WTP

I object to this ageism and cisgenderism! Of what relevance are the ages of said carjackers?!? And 'woman', 'man', 'boy', 'girl'?!? This is the 21st century! What sort of troglodytes use such language? Also, saying that there were 'four' of them is inappropriate when there are people who might read this who are not comfortable using numbers! It's not safe!!!

Yeah, that was cheap and easy but I would be willing to bet that before long this will become the excuse for not even reporting such goings on. Go ahead, roll your eyes. My predictions of 20-30 years ago about what is actually happening today produced eye rolls back then as well. And I wasn't even taking myself all that seriously back then...though still more seriously than anyone else.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Here's what they're actually serving, as photogaphed by one of the zeks:

Nice to see some of the Obama era school lunch ladies found work in Canada.

Steve E

Nice to see some of the Obama era school lunch ladies found work in Canada.

Didn't Moochelle write that menu?

Richard Cranium

Hey, now, that is considered fine dining in the Great White North Covid Camps.

JFC. Given the joint exercise with the PLA that Canada did on Canadian soil, perhaps the world's longest undefended border will have to become defended.

Steve E

Given the joint exercise with the PLA that Canada did on Canadian soil,

Well here's what our Prime Minister had to say,

"There's a level of admiration I actually have for China. Their basic dictatorship is actually allowing them to turn their economy around on a dime."

So I wouldn't be surprised to see the defences go up. We're so screwed.

pst314

Sclerotic, corrupt government hates volunteers: bureaucratic obstacles have been placed in the way of retired doctors and nurses who are eager to help immunize tens of millions of people against Covid.

(I pre-denounce myself for linking to Dalrymple at Taki.)

Michael Teper

OK, say this happened to you. What are your options:

1) Press charges and rely on the police protect you before and after your testimony against reprisal attacks from these four worthies their friends and potential gang members.

2) Press charges, buy a lot of weaponry, take a crash course in martial arts, trade in your car for an armored vehicle, upgrade your house into a fortified bunker, and become a gang lord/hire a private army.

3) Press charges and immediately move to Papua New Guinea.

4) Make up some idiotic excuse for not pressing charges and hope that you get to keep on breathing.

I'd probably take door number four.

pst314

5) Press charges and rent an apartment in a cop neighborhood.
6) Propaganda campaign to portray liberals as the evil bacteria that they are.

But seriously, all this is speculation. We don't know that the victim fears retaliation, and the home is in an upscale area full of new condos.

WTP

Michael Teper, where did you come from? So does spreading the fear juice you? Disgusting coward.

NTSOG

Michael Teper: 3) "Press charges and immediately move to Papua New Guinea."

I suspect Michael you have not heard of the 'raskols' in New Guinea. They are very nasty criminal gangs and, since it wasn't all that long ago that head hunting of the non-corporate type was in vogue, I suspect the south side of Chicago would be safer.

Don Kulick, an anthropologist from from New York University has studied the rise of the gangs and the myths that have developed around them in 'Heroes from Hell':

http://www.engagingvulnerability.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/heroes-from-hell.pdf

Ed Snack

Farnsworth, FWIW, the level of fraud in the California “Covid” payments is estimated at up to $50B, but the records ar so bad they really aren’t sure. A lot appears to have gone to Russia/Ukraine/Eastern Europe as well as significant amounts to Nigeria and other well known destinations.

pst314

FWIW, the level of fraud in the California “Covid” payments is estimated at up to $50B, but the records ar so bad they really aren’t sure.

It's as if these government parasites want to throw away taxpayer money.

Ray

As has been remarked many times, the purpose of redistribution is not to make the poor richer but to make the rich poorer.

pst314

And also to make the redistributors richer.

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