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March 29, 2021

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Joan

It's funny, I don't *feel* oppressed.

Horace Dunn

In short, the British seem to have relegated gender inequality to the consigned-to-the-past category

Odd, then, that the BBC, Guardian and pretty much all the mainstream media never shut up about it.

It's almost as if they yearn for things to be worse than they are.

David

It’s funny, I don’t *feel* oppressed.

The World Economic Forum, hardly a rabidly right-wing entity, and which publishes various measures of such things, disagrees with Ms Malik. But Guardian readers are nonetheless being told that the difference between Britain and Saudi Arabia, a country that scores just above Yemen in terms of gender parity, is small and in danger of rapidly shrinking.

Apparently, if we even acknowledge the fact that British society, and Western societies generally, are, in terms of women’s rights, something of an improvement over arrangements found in many other parts of the world, “We can guarantee not only that progress will stall, but that ultimately it will be reversed.” How so, Ms Malik doesn’t say.

But then, as Tim Worstall notes, this may have less to do with “reality” than with the imperatives of being a Guardian columnist.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Speaking of oppression, a very level headed teacher laments the racism of Band-Aids.

The question "why not just use Ninja Turtle Band-Aids" is answered.

Meanwhile, on our affiliate station, homophobia and transphobia are discussed (language caution).

It used to be there was a time of day when it was too early to start drinking.

sH2

When Guardian columnists say 'reality' they don't mean this one.

Mags

"Instead of fleeing the scene after the car crashed and rolled on its side, one of the girls began looking for her cellphone that was in the vehicle — while walking nonchalantly past their victim’s body"

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/03/horror-caught-video-13-15-year-old-girls-murder-driver-dc-walk-past-body-look-cellphone/

John Lewis

I imagine she would be highly indignant if asked to consider the fact that demographically we are rapidly becoming like countries where women are not allowed to drive, not to mention their unsavoury attitude towards the LGBTO community.

David

while walking nonchalantly past their victim’s body

I was reading about that this morning. The level of sociopathic entitlement and self-preoccupation, to the exclusion of all else, is a thing to behold. “My phone is in there,” she complained.

It’s worth bearing in mind just how much criminal predation involves precisely the same attitude – sociopathic entitlement – and which makes attempts to portray such creatures as victims, people whose wellbeing we should fret about, somewhat nauseating.

Needless to say, CNN is not coming out of this fragrantly.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

– and which makes attempts to portray such creatures as victims...

You only think that because you are not woke, unlike this chap.

John Lewis

Unlike this chap

Proving not all Karen’s wear skirts.

pst314

You only think that because you are not woke, unlike this chap.

From the link: "When I hear of a 13 & 15 year old charged w/ murder: I dont think 'killer.' I think 'child.' "

He can't even think "killer child"?

And notice how, for the left, their status shifts between child and adult depending on the political issue of the moment: Charged with murder? Child. Legal voting age? Adult. Charged with theft? Child. Wants a credit card? Adult.

ComputerLabRat

Ours, says Nesrine Malik, is “a country that is heading into a post-pandemic gender inequality crisis.”

It's articles like this that make me wonder if the Victorians* weren't onto something with their ideas about female hysteria. There seems to be a lot of that going around, amplified by social media, and increasingly, by the regular media. It's an epidemic of emotional diarrhea.

*Apologies if it wasn't the Victorians. Heck, it could have been American thinkers of the same time.

David

Unlike this chap

The idea that a fifteen-year-old who is already an armed carjacker, a predator who shows precisely zero concern for the man whose life she’s just taken, horrifically, being much more worried about retrieving her phone… the idea that this creature can be redeemed and taught the concept of remorse, and will somehow flourish as a human being, is… well, a tad fanciful. One might say insulting.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

...well, a tad fanciful. One might say insulting.

True enough, but it makes him feel good about himself, and isn't that really what is important, and what is needed in these days of troubled times ?

Daniel Ream

unlike this chap

There is, however, ample evidence that harsher prison sentences do not deter crime because no criminal commits a crime with the assumption that they're going to get caught. The sentence never even enters their calculations. What does deter crime is increasing the likelihood of getting caught. It's difficult to do that institutionally (increased state surveillance, stop-and-frisk) without also trampling all over the rights of free citizens who have committed no crime, though.

Letting everyone arm themselves does work pretty well, though. Even the most impulsive of criminals can figure out the difference between "I have 20 minutes before the cops get here" and "I have 20 seconds before everyone in this bodega draws on me and fills me with lead"

[+]

"Seattle social-justice activist charged over anti-Asian hate attacks... Hamner, who is mixed-race, is accused of threatening women and children of Asian background as young as five years old with racial slurs."

https://thepostmillennial.com/exclusive-seattle-social-justice-activist-charged-over-anti-asian-hate-attacks/

Blames 'white supremacy'.

Squires

When Guardian columnists say 'reality' they don't mean this one.

I imagine she would be highly indignant if asked to consider...

Is it my phone malfunctioning, or is it that there is still no opportunity allowed to leave comments under “Commentary is Free”?

Meanwhile, on our affiliate station...

Several answers present themselves:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_flamethrowers

pst314

"Seattle social-justice activist charged over anti-Asian hate attacks..."

"The videos and accusations against Hamner have been surprising for some given his reputation as a staunch BLM and racial-justice activist in the Seattle-area."

Surprising only for people who have a very naive view of "racial justice" politics.

Steve E

the idea that this creature can be redeemed and taught the concept of remorse, and will somehow flourish as a human being

This chap goes on to tell us:

"And I don't think prison helps anyone."

Agreed. Bring back the death penalty.

Jen

Agreed. Bring back the death penalty.

That.

pst314

the idea that this creature can be redeemed and taught the concept of remorse, and will somehow flourish as a human being, is… well, a tad fanciful.

Criminal rehabilitation programs have a poor track record. Jordan Peterson remarked in an interview I saw last month that it is extremely difficult to reform young criminals and most remain criminals until they approach middle age (say, age 40 or so, if I recall correctly.)

Darleen

There is, however, ample evidence that harsher prison sentences do not deter crime because no criminal commits a crime with the assumption that they're going to get caught.

Daniel, with all due respect, I've been hearing too much of this "studies show" sh*t from Los Angeles' DA George Gascon as he is turning the DA office into Public Defender #2 and pissing over victims AND CALIFORNIA LAW.

What studies? Where?

And while it is logical to understand that, yes, criminals think *they* will get away with it, sometimes that LONGER sentence makes society safer because the perps are behind bars and not part of the society they prey on.

BTW do you believe that things like petty theft (and other "lifestyle crimes") would still be going through the roof in places like San Francisco if the perps were actually held accountable?

When you incentivize behavior, you get more of it.

WTP

So in regard to the woes of womenfolk...I think I've related here the kinds of Karens and Lost Kats posts that come across in emails on our local Nextdoor App. I found this recent one yesterday particularly...mmm...puzzling? Now of course people should be picking up after their dogs' poops but the outrage from the local womenfolk, over 20 responses (with two beta-male exceptions) to this post has me...is this the place where the word 'nonplussed' applies?...anyway...this...my emphasis

Dog Owners - Pick Up your dog’s poop! On my walk today, i came across enough poop to build a playground. Now, it is shameful that adults behave this way. It’s not hard. Publix sells packs of dog-poop bags for $3.98 and, unless your back is broken, it takes 5 seconds to bend over and pick up your dogs poop.
This is NOT RIGHT! The entire stretch from New Castle to the playground has poop left by dog walkers. And that’s not taking into account the rest of the neighborhood!
So what I need help with here is WTF does this mean, "i came across enough poop to build a playground"? And why, with over 20 responses, is no one asking this question? Is this a thing? Building playgrounds out of dog poop? Perhaps it's a cultural thing? Are the Chinese doing this? I hear much about their great advances/investments in infrastructure.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

More womanly woes.

...two months after being sworn into office Vice President Kamala Harris and her husband, Georgetown Law professor Douglas Emhoff, are “still, ostensibly, living out of suitcases, unable to move into the private residence reserved for the vice president because it’s still undergoing renovations.”

The indignity of having to stay here with only "...more than 120 rooms, a total area of 60,600 square feet, and a staff of 18 full-time employees to oversee all aspects of hospitality and maintenance..." is surely both misogyny and racism.

David

i came across enough poop to build a playground.

I’m… intrigued. It sounds like an episode of Mythbusters.

Steve E

i came across enough poop to build a playground.

I’m… intrigued. It sounds like an episode of Mythbusters.

or an elimination challenge on Survivor.

pst314

There is, however, ample evidence that harsher prison sentences do not deter crime because no criminal commits a crime with the assumption that they're going to get caught. The sentence never even enters their calculations. What does deter crime is increasing the likelihood of getting caught.

I have read that many times, but with "do not deter crime" changed to "do not deter crime very much".

WTP

Longer prison sentences, if actually applied, do keep the criminal scum from committing any crimes against the general population during the time they are incarcerated. There is definitely considerable evidence of that. Probably studies too. Because stupid.

I’m… intrigued.

Cool. So it isn't just me. I get worried sometimes that being COVID-retired I may be falling out of the loop in our rapidly changing, wonderous world of technology.

Sam

It's articles like this that make me wonder if the Victorians weren't onto something...

It is a fascinating era in that they absolutely venerated the female ideal, and used men as fodder to protect women to a comical degree (nearly every society does this, but my god...) but still had very poignant and...interesting solutions to the worst aspects of female nature.

WTP

Speaking of technological progress...Wonder what wokey-woke-woke changes they will be making at Disney's EPCOT (Experimental Prototype Community Of Tomorrow) Carrousel of Progress. Can you imagine what those meetings must be like? Or maybe they just scrap the whole damn thing. Progress being so 20th century and stuff. Hmmm...

Sam

As a layperson of gender I can buy the "harsher prison sentences do not deter criminal argument" because criminals - particularly petty and violent ones - do not seem to have much of a time horizon in general. IE, they are impulsive and cannot reason very far into the future, nor connect actions with consequences. It's almost self-evident in their behavior, no? Does the actions of the carjackers mentioned above strike you as informed by anything other than impulsive, hateful greed, much less the county prison sentence for violating such-and-such statute, paragraph 6.0.011?

The "my cousin got shot robbing that liquor store" deterrent is far more practical, though sadly not "fool"-proof.

WTP

t's articles like this that make me wonder if the Victorians weren't onto something with their ideas about female hysteria...

I was just beginning to understand the humor in Al Capp's Li'l Abner when he retired. One thing that amused me in that strip back then was the group S.W.I.N.E. for Students Wildly Indignant About Nearly Everything. I remember thinking there should be a similar group of feminists called W.H.I.N.E. for Women Hysterically Irate About Nearly Everything....I think I'll go run and hide now....

exdemocrat

"there should be a similar group of feminists called W.H.I.N.E. for Women Hysterically Irate About Nearly Everything....

Hah! Reminded me of S.P.A.T. from the movie About A Boy (Single Parents Alone Together), or even S.C.U.M. (the Society for Cutting Up Men) from way before (in the '70's?).

pst314

I was just beginning to understand the humor in Al Capp's Li'l Abner when he retired. One thing that amused me in that strip back then was the group S.W.I.N.E. for Students Wildly Indignant About Nearly Everything.

I remember that, although not well. I also remember how "moderate" liberals angrily turned on him for criticizing the lunatic left.
The cartoons are online here.

Daniel Ream

criminals - particularly petty and violent ones - do not seem to have much of a time horizon in general

Now, now, we'll have none of that talking sense and empiricism around here.

Bring back the death penalty.

The justice system is thoroughly corrupt and completely in the pocket of radical activists who want to destroy Western civilization, so let's give it the ability to kill people. As a practical question, how many innocent people is it okay for the state to kill so long as you get your revenge fix? One a year? Ten? A hundred? I'm just trying to get an idea of the body count.

"studies show" sh*t from Los Angeles' DA George Gascon as he is turning the DA office into Public Defender #2 and pissing over victims AND CALIFORNIA LAW.

You know who else liked dogs? HITLER, THAT'S WHO.

That the Devil can quote Scripture to suit his purpose does not suddenly invalidate Scripture as a source of truth.

the perps are behind bars and not part of the society they prey on.

You know what else is logical? Looking at the "crimes committed" stats and comparing them to the "crimes where someone actually got arrested, prosecuted and convicted" stats. You could lock up every petty criminal you actually catch for life - or, since we're feeling particularly bloodthirsty today, draw and quarter them on the county courthouse steps. Why not. That's still an infinitesimal fraction of people committing crimes because most crimes go uninvestigated or prosecuted, assuming they get reported in the first place. It has no effect on the overall crime rate in any polity larger than Frostbite Falls.

WTF does this mean, "i came across enough poop to build a playground"

My first reaction was "how do you know?" Does this person have a lot of experience with poop playgrounds such that they can perform impromptu construction estimating while out for a walk?

I have read that many times, but with "do not deter crime" changed to "do not deter crime very much"

I probably should have said "do not deter criminals", as it's somewhat more accurate, but I assumed people would read all the way to the bottom of my post instead of stopping to REEEE at the first thing that tripped their tribal politics sensor.

For the very small proportion of organized/career criminals who do perform risk analyses and account for the duration of sentences when planning their crimes, escalating sentences for repeat offenses can help, but organized crime responds to that by recruiting novices without prior records and rotating them through the high-risk jobs. In those cases it's usually more effective to get them to roll over on their boss and disperse the entire organization.

I'm not going to look up the original article, but there was an experiment in a couple of US states a while back where killing someone with a gun during the commission of a crime meant an automatic life sentence, no parole. It was quietly rescinded later - at the request of the police - when the entirely predictable result materialized: criminals who had shot at someone during a lesser crime were going out like Butch and Sundance instead of negotiating a surrender, because there was no upside to surrendering.

aelfheld
The idea that a fifteen-year-old who is already an armed carjacker, a predator who shows precisely zero concern for the man whose life she’s just taken, horrifically, being much more worried about retrieving her phone… the idea that this creature can be redeemed and taught the concept of remorse, and will somehow flourish as a human being, is… well, a tad fanciful. One might say insulting.

There is nothing fanciful about redemption.

The mistake is in thinking punishment must be eliminated for redemption to occur.

Then again, it's a mistake to think the purpose of prison is rehabilitation. Prison is, not to put too fine a point on it, punishment. Rehabilitation, accountability, reducing recidivism, healing trauma for survivors, deterrence - none of these are the reason for prison (though it does deter those imprisoned from committing further assaults on the public weal).

pst314

I probably should have said "do not deter criminals", as it's somewhat more accurate, but I assumed people would read all the way to the bottom of my post instead of stopping to REEEE at the first thing that tripped their tribal politics sensor.

Reee? Tripped? Please relax. You are reading too much into what I wrote.

Governor Squid

If I commit 24 flawless burglaries and get caught on my 25th, does my capture and incarceration count for nothing because the arrest record for burglaries is a pathetic four percent?

Steve E

The justice system is thoroughly corrupt and completely in the pocket of radical activists who want to destroy Western civilization, so let's give it the ability to kill people. As a practical question, how many innocent people is it okay for the state to kill so long as you get your revenge fix? One a year? Ten? A hundred? I'm just trying to get an idea of the body count.

You might want to tighten that tin foil hat, it could fall off going down that slippery slope.

Sam

My $0.02, FWIW: I switched positions over the death penalty when I realized life in prison w/out parole - while expensive - is a fair compromise to the problem of the State getting convictions wrong, which happens regularly enough to give me pause. Of course, with the caveat that life in prison be only adequate and never comfortable.

Though I understand people's rage when story after story of violent monsters being released (and often committing more violence) show that our "system" is hopelessly broken, and that a few more killings will balance the scales, ultimately those are separate issues.

Governor Squid

We may come to realise how our progress is in fact fragile and erected on subterranean inequalities that surface quickly under stress.

Strangely, I find myself in complete agreement with Ms. Malik on this point. "Our progress" is entirely dependent on a functional and polite society where the independence of women is broadly accepted and supported. I get the impression that Ms. Malik and her sisters are sorely unprepared for what's to become of them when polite society slides back into tribalism.

Of course, her column isn't a call to shore up the foundations of the society which protects her rights and freedoms. Far from it, more's the pity.

pst314

If I commit 24 flawless burglaries and get caught on my 25th...

I have read that on average a criminal is arrested for only a small percentage of the crimes he commits--somewhere between 1% and .25%.

Governor Squid

An Infinite Series

(I missed the cleverness of David's math joke at first. In my defense, it's been a long day.)

So, if each woe is some fraction of the impact of the previous, how far along the infinite series do you reckon your average Angry Studies grad student has worked? Which is to say, what's the proportional relationship between "beaten to death for leaving the house unaccompanied" and "must pay for your own fitness equipment during lockdown"?

WTP

(* peers out from cover taken after prior comment...hmmm...looks safe...though womens do have good reputations as snipers ... hmmm... I suppose it's 'safe' *)

I switched positions over the death penalty when I realized life in prison w/out parole

While I share similar reservations about false convictions and would be 100% in favor of LIPw/oP, I will continue to strongly support the death penalty until I see a very, very serious effort to enforce LIPw/oP. My conscience is fine with this as I (back of the envelope) figure that in modern times, for every truly, truly innocent person, someone with no other exceptionally violent past who has now gotten the death penalty for something only God truly knows they didn't do, there are > 1.02 innocent people who have subsequently been killed or seriously harmed by guilty murderers and such who were let out on parole. My math may not be 100% correct on that 1.02 number but I try to avoid letting the perfect be the enemy of the good.

Governor Squid

...people's rage when story after story of violent monsters being released (and often committing more violence) show that our "system" is hopelessly broken...

As discussed once or twice in the past: the formalized "justice system" in the West was developed as an alternative to the informal systems used by communities since time immemorial. The informal tend to be spontaneous, driven by passion, and extraordinarily sloppy*. And yet we've reached a point where ordinary citizens are contemplating whether the current system represents any kind of improvement at all.

I share Daniel's mistrust of the state, and I honestly have no wish to grant it the power to decide who lives and who dies, whether it's in the context of the death penalty for heinous crimes or just deciding which citizens are worthy of receiving health care or food. But the points for and against should always be argued in light of the likely consequences. To wit: if a state system that executes nobody leads to a reversion to local vigilantism that executes hundreds of people later found to be innocent, is that really the best outcome?

Unfortunately, philosophical arguments in these gray areas don't lend themselves to social media posts or high ratings for talking heads on cable.

* Hang 'Em High is one of my favo(u)rite Westerns.

pst314

I will continue to strongly support the death penalty until I see a very, very serious effort to enforce LIPw/oP.

Even just traditionally long sentences would be a huge (yuuge?) improvement: Part of my outrage is due to frequent reports of shockingly short prison sentences (or no prison, just parole) for even very violent crimes.

Darleen

I wonder, Daniel, do you lock your home up at night? Your car?

And do you wonder why stuff like this was not happening in the early 2000s?

This isn't politics to me, it has to do the service of justice.

Darleen

Oh, btw, another MAGA white supremacist strikes.

pst314

Oh, btw, another MAGA white supremacist strikes.

And the black security guards inside the building just watch the attack and then close the lobby door. They don't try to stop the attack. They don't render aid after the attack.

Russtovich

criminals who had shot at someone during a lesser crime were going out like Butch and Sundance instead of negotiating a surrender, because there was no upside to surrendering.

There's a simple remedy to that. Anyone using a gun during a lesser crime gets shot first and told to halt afterwards.

Win/Win!

Richard Cranium
My $0.02, FWIW: I switched positions over the death penalty when I realized life in prison w/out parole - while expensive - is a fair compromise to the problem of the State getting convictions wrong,

My sister was a public defender in a certain portion of the United States of America. I once asked her how she could possibly defend some of the rat bastards that she had defended as part of her job.

She told me that part of her job was to ensure that if said rat bastard was found guilty, then it should be rock solid that said rat bastard was guilty of the crime. She also said that is a very important component of any justice system; if that person is in prison, it's because they should (and maybe must) be in prison. There shouldn't be any doubt that the system provided all the means required to ensure that you are in prison because you deserve to be there.

Now, humans fail; it's what we do. (If we didn't fail, we would be as gods.) Nonetheless, I think that public defenders should have the same budget as prosecutors. I do know that @Darleen has worked in that space.

I would like to know (and discuss) what her opinion is about the above. (If she agrees, it will be a very short discussion.) I'll admit any such discussion will have little to no relevance to what is happening in Britain.

asiaseen

The entire stretch from New Castle to the playground has poop left by dog walkers.

And that's not including the poop left by their dogs.

David

Blames ‘white supremacy’.

As Theodore Dalrymple has illustrated repeatedly, career predators and assorted monsters will often mouth the excuses provided by leftists if they think it will deflect comeuppance and serve as camouflage. Such creatures are, unsurprisingly, not troubled by lying. Some may come to internalise the lies and feel justified by them, emboldened. And so, for instance, opportunist malice and nakedly feral greed can be rationalised, and encouraged, by invoking racism, “white supremacy,” and “anti-poverty bias.” By both perpetrators and onlookers, at least among those doing the onlooking from a safe distance.

A phenomenon seen quite vividly during the recent surge of riots and looting in the US, and made explicit by any number of leftists, including, inevitably, leftist academics. And the lefties in question don’t seem overly concerned by the effect that their ready-made excuses may have on the level of such predation, and on the confidence of monsters.

John Lewis

“Don’t seem overly concerned”?

David - that’s their main intention.

Liz

nakedly feral greed

Animals.

Sue Sims

Asiaseen wins the thread.

David

Animals.

Well, yes. Vermin, specifically. But it’s an interesting dynamic. Once the theft and violation begins - and the Amazon driver can only look on in disbelief, before herself being robbed and violently assaulted - it rapidly escalates. Other predators approach. Passing drivers stop and rush to join in. Not to help the woman being robbed and attacked. They just want to help themselves to someone else’s property. Because they feel entitled.

The world is not greatly enriched by the presence of such creatures. Or by the presence of those who would excuse their choices.

Nikw211

Posted by the ACLU yesterday:

You don't even have go to Google to see that's an outright lie.

Or put another way, it is not at all obvious that what is meant is "[ban][health care for trans youth]" (i.e. a ban on health care designed for the purpose of transitioning) and not "[ban health care][for trans youth]" (i.e. refusing medical treatment on the grounds that someone identifies as trans) nor that by "health care" they actually mean a range of chemical and surgical interventions for the purpose of transitioning, some of which will result in lifelong health conditions.

So again, the only conclusion that can reasonably be arrived at is that they fully intend to deceive the wider public, trading on their reputation to hope that no one points out that they are lying.

(And of course, should anyone actually try to point out that they are lying, that that person's personal details will be unearthed and passed on to a small band of volunteers who will then compose emails to be sent to employers or even local law enforcement in the hopes of having that person removed from their job "as a danger" to the community ... which from certain angles might be seen as somewhat ironic..)

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Posted by the ACLU yesterday:

Ian Miles Cheong shows us a person with a typical well reasoned reply:

An interesting Prager U video on the topic

WTP

If we didn't fail, we would be as gods

Or Democrats. Or leftists in general. Their 'journalists' follow a similar code.

pst314

She told me that part of her job was to ensure that if said rat bastard was found guilty, then it should be rock solid...

And every now and then we read about the exposure of a Prosecutor who fabricated evidence, or suppressed exculpatory evidence, or we hear about an expert who technician who did similarly. Remember Mike Nifong, the DA in the notorious Duke Lacrosse fake rape case? He was disbarred but he should have served a long prison term as well.

pst314

Now, humans fail; it's what we do. (If we didn't fail, we would be as gods.)

This illustrates a key reason why the left hates Christianity: It teaches us to see ourselves as flawed and that our chief moral duty is to attempt to repair ourselves, whereas the left teaches us to act as if we were gods and call down lightning bolts on anyone we disagree with.

pst314

Well, yes. Vermin, specifically.

My liberal "friends" tell me that we must not say that.

The world is not greatly enriched by the presence of such creatures. Or by the presence of those who would excuse their choices.

Once again, my liberal "friends".

David

My liberal “friends” tell me that we must not say that.

Not saying it would in large part explain why we are where we are.

pst314

Oh, btw, another MAGA white supremacist strikes.

Update (found via Andy Ngo): the security guards who watched the attack and did nothing to help the victim have been suspended:
"The Brodsky Organization is aware of the violent assault on an Asian American woman in front of 360 West 43rd Street... The staff who witnessed the attack have been suspended pending an investigation..."

pst314

Not saying it would in large part explain why we are where we are.

Which is why I increasingly call them out.

Sam

the security guards who watched the attack and did nothing to help the victim have been suspended

Real talk, y'all. As a human being specifically working to protect others I would like to think that I'd rush in to help that poor woman. As a rational person who's witnessed what happens to anyone with a badge that lays hands on a violent black I'm not 100% sure I would. 95,96%, but not 100.

pst314

Sam: I understand, but the security guards didn't even help her when the attacker left; they just closed the door. And I hate to say it, but I suspect that the fact that the security guards were also black was a factor in their failure to take action.

Dr Evil

Because a lot of people in the UK don't worry about stuff like that. We leave such nonsense to the left wing journos who write for the Guardian.

Darleen

I would like to know (and discuss) what her opinion is about the above.

Richard, I think it is because I worked in a DA office that I am also a strong supporter of public defenders and defense attorneys in general. I want every defendant to have their rights protected and I want DDA's to be kept on the straight & narrow.

I got to know some great defense attorneys during my employment ... many of them former prosecutors before going into private practice.

And, like ddas, there are also scummy ones not above doing unethical things because their motivation is winning-at-all-costs.

Darleen

That ACLU tweet has taken their lying to new depths.

It's even worse than the usual lie that abortion is "healthcare" - as if killing an unborn human is the equivalent of a flu shot. Trans youth are not being denied "healthcare", the AK law is about keeping the more mercenary members of the medical community and the Woke ones from using minors as experimental animals. Mutilating children and causing them permanent physical harm with experimental drugs is NOT "healthcare."

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Trans youth are not being denied "healthcare", the AK law is about keeping the more mercenary members of the medical community and the Woke ones from using minors as experimental animals.

No, they are just transphobes in Arkansas.

pst314

Oh, btw, another MAGA white supremacist strikes.

Update: The attacker has been arrested: "Homeless". Convicted murderer.

"Brandon Elliot, 38, who lives in a nearby hotel that serves as a homeless shelter, was arrested early Wednesday...
In April 2002, Elliot was charged with murder for using a kitchen knife to stab his mother, Bridget Johnson in the chest three times in their East 224th Street home in the Bronx...Johnson, 42, died a couple days later...
Elliot was convicted of murder and sentenced to 15 years-to-life in prison and was released on parole in November 2019...
He was previously arrested in 2000 for robbery, cops said...
Also: He may have pulled a knife on someone else immediately after:
[The witness] said he believes the victim may have been trying to confront the suspect over the attack on the Asian woman."

Once again we have a vicious crime perpetrated by someone who should not have been walking the streets.

Darleen

No, they are just transphobes in Arkansas.

Heh. And pretty clever to have picked Mermaids as the focus of the satire.

WTP

Also: He may have pulled a knife on someone else immediately after:
[The witness] said he believes the victim may have been trying to confront the suspect over the attack on the Asian woman."

Which may have some bearing on the failure of local security guards to confront the attacker. He may very well have been known to the local businesses and such as a dangerous person whom the "proper" authorities were doing nothing about. Not that it totally excuses the behavior.

But this raises another point. Am I the ONLY PERSON WHO HAS SEEN THIS STORY AND THOUGHT ABOUT KITTY GENOVESE? The murder of KG as reported by the NYT, as repeated in the psychology and history and such text books presented to me as FACT in high school, in university, in news media, in entertainment media, etc. over 15-20 years later, supposed FACT when in FACT there were significant errors in the NYT story...well, from Wiki:

Reporters at a competing news organization discovered in 1964 that the article was inconsistent with the facts, but they were unwilling at the time to challenge New York Times editor Abe Rosenthal. In 2007, an article in the American Psychologist found "no evidence for the presence of 38 witnesses, or that witnesses observed the murder, or that witnesses remained inactive".[7] In 2016, The New York Times called its own reporting "flawed", stating that the original story "grossly exaggerated the number of witnesses and what they had perceived".[8]
This BS story, its place in our popular culture was yet another straw (though I would argue a rather significant one) that led to the undermining of our faith in the common decency of our society. Yet here we have virtually exactly the sort of thing happening right here...with video evidence...ACTUALLY HAPPENING...and where's the outrage? Where is the Kitty Genovese outrage? Where are the culture warriors on the left BUT MOST ESPECIALLY ON THE RIGHT to give this story the kind of attention KG's murder got? To drive it home in the history books, the psychology books, the movies, tv shows, casual references in the entertainment media, etc. etc. etc. This is why the right loses and loses consistently. The left follows through on their lies. Pushes them through every little corner of our society in which they can. The right writes a bunch of books that only similar thinking "conservatives" will ever see or read. They won't shove this sort of indifference to human life down society's throat as was done with KG's story.

pst314

Yes, I too have been thinking of the Kitty Genovese story. You make very good points. More thoughts later, I hope.

tolkein

I thought the security guards must be black. If they'd been white, THAT would have been the story (sorry about the caps).

pst314

The right writes a bunch of books that only similar thinking "conservatives" will ever see or read.

Better dead than rude?

WTP

Re-reading that, screwed up what i meant to say in my summary...:

...while the left follows through on their lies, pushes them to every corner of our society, drives them home to the point that they are virtually impossible to avoid (see also George Floyd, "Hands up, don't shoot", St. Trayvon, etc, etc, etc), the pathetic loser right cannot even do this with the TRUTH. Not even a little.

pst314

the pathetic loser right cannot even do this with the TRUTH. Not even a little.

True. So many on the right think it is sufficient to write a white paper for a think tank, or a little opinion column, written in carefully measured language that refrains from calling out our enemies. There certainly is an important place for essays and books that lay out all the evidence supporting our opinions, but fighting the left requires writings and speech that actually fight. And people willing to get personal, calling out individual leftists for their evil. But I'm sure that Jonah Goldberg would scold us for being rude.

pst314

Oh, btw, another MAGA white supremacist strikes.

The security guards *did* eventually help the victim: A longer security cam video has been released which shows that after a minute the security guards did go outside and help the victim. They said that they did not help immediately because they saw the attacker brandishing that very large knife which featured in his next attack.
This information refutes my earlier comment.

Sue Sims

I'm not massively in favour of the death penalty, but one can't help thinking: "If this guy had been hanged (or whatever your choice of dispatch method might be) after he'd murdered his mother, none of this would have happened." If a life sentence meant a life sentence, that might have done the trick, but it rarely does.

pst314

If a life sentence meant a life sentence, that might have done the trick, but it rarely does.

A life sentence used to mean life, until the left corrupted everything.

WTP

Colorblind used to mean colorblind. Literally used to literally mean literally. Of course none of this matters...literally.

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