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March 23, 2021

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JuliaM

’ When in reality, all you wanted was for him to acknowledge that you were justified in feeling annoyed.’

She doesn’t want a husband. She wants a girlfriend.

David

She doesn’t want a husband. She wants a girlfriend.

Heh. I hesitated to comment.

Joan

For every one of these things, I want the husband to write an article about the wife.

David

For every one of these things, I want the husband to write an article about the wife.

I was reminded of this.

Frank

He often returns with a spring in his step, a spring that hasn’t been in my step for months.

Probably been out to see his mistress.

Karl

"So you can move on."

Classic!

David

“So you can move on.”

I’m assuming she means “move on” in the somewhat rarefied sense of “repeating the same thing, with tiny variations, over and over again, until someone dies.”

Liz

and which in no way reflect on Ms Hendriksen and her organisational skills,

LOL. That.

David

LOL. That.

Well, I don’t mean to downplay the difficulties of being an at-home mom to (presumably) small children. I’m sure there’s plenty of scope for being tired and ratty, and wanting a break from their intermittent adorableness. But on reading the article, and the extensive list of chores undertaken by the husband, including his ninja-level laundry skills, I don’t think anyone could credibly claim that these chores were distributed unfairly in his favour.

Horace Dunn

He often returns with a spring in his step, a spring that hasn’t been in my step for months.

Surely not. We've known for generations that housework - women's work - is soul-destroying and never ending and that it has never been properly acknowledged that women are forced to shoulder the burden of such oppressive labour so that men can be free. Is Ms Hendriksen telling us that this is not so?

Next, she'll be telling us that menstruation is a doddle.

Henry Cybulski

...men are problem solvers.

That reminded me of what a former girlfriend told me years ago. Women would rather share their tales of woe with another woman than a man because what they really want is empathy, not a solution.

Mal Reynolds

What I’ve realised is that men are problem solvers

In one sentence we have an adequate explanation for why the vast majority of entrepreneurs, leaders, the rich and the powerful are men. I don’t think the author will make this link though.

WTP

because what they really want is attention, not a solution.

FIFY

J West

I get the impression the the wife is a stay at home mom and the dad brings home the bacon on his own. He seems have a job he likes and that helps keep him happy and willing to also do all he does around the home.

She is a f**king self-centered ingrate as I see it. A whiny baby who would be better off single and dating arseholes.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

But behind the scenes, he’s the one holding our household together… I know that I could not be the mother I want to be if he wasn’t the husband and father he is. But it is still hard not to hold it against him.

She recognizes how inadequate she is, and rather than work on doing better -- like maybe brushing her teeth or taking a shower -- she'd rather bitch about it publicly.

And you can't tell her that one day the kids will be grown up, and instead of remember those good times, she'll probably end up along with her cats because her husband had enough and the kids don't want to be around her once they move out.

But she feels so much better bitching about it than feeling gratitude.

Thinking about the gender-based reactions, and reflecting on my long marriage, I realize that men and women can teach each other how best to live. I can accept my wife expressing her emotions, and she can accept my desire to find a solution, or at least a way to manage the problems that can't be solved. When it works, we make progress: we improve our lives, and at the same time acknowledge the pain and joy that comes with living.

When it doesn't work, well, you get our culture.

David

Biology aside, I don’t think I’m sufficiently complicated to be a woman. At least not a progressive one.

[ Hides breakables. ]

PaulF

As has been said before, it comes across not so much Scary Mommy as Scared Mommy

Jess

Personal hygiene is on of those things you take care of; especially when all the necessary supplies, and water, are available. In the past military, such dereliction of duty would have ended in a midnight soap party.

Theyouk

It's not about the nail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4EDhdAHrOg

ComputerLabRat

Didn't we read here about another bitch like this whose husband cleaned the bathrooms for her, but that wasn't good enough because he was supposed to spend hours pricing cleaning ladies?

And don't we constantly get the "men go to work, and leave the women to do all the housework, or most of the housework" whine from progressives and feminists? This guy works a full time job AND does the housework, and she STILL complains!

Women like this give the rest of us a bad name. But it doesn't seem to matter much - most of these women are all married, too. So many non-asshole type men marry queen bitches like this. I don't know why - you'd think they'd run for the hills, but no - they marry them.

ComputerLabRat

Bah - that's what I get for commenting before reading the comments. Our gracious host already pointed toward the bathroom-cleaning husband story. I'd tried to forget that the loathesome phrase "emotional labor" was featured prominently in that article, too.

I'll report myself to the correction booth forthwith, but I think I need a drink first.

waitingForTheStorm

What I’ve realised is that men are problem solvers

My wife would often talk to me about issues and her efforts to resolve the issues. My response was to listen attentively. I would then critique her solution. Would it likely work? What could go wrong? What tactics should you use to mitigate the possible failures. Things like that.

One day, she asked me "Why do you always tell me why my ideas will not work?" I explained, I am a software developer by trade. BTW, I was considered to be a good one by my peers. Success is recognizing a problem, accurately determining the cause(s), developing a solution, and implementing that solution. My success was related to being able to predict ways things could break and to add mitigations for those failure modes. It is just what I do.

This interaction actually helped her understand that she was going to get answers, not commiseration, when she talked to me. Commiseration does nothing to fix the problems.

Daniel Ream

This interaction actually helped her understand that she was going to get answers, not commiseration, when she talked to me.

"I just want you to listen, not try to solve the problem!"

That's what your girlfriends are for, honey. Come to me when you want something fixed.

It's not about the nail

I was wondering how long it would take for someone to post that.

rechill

Yeah, who wants their problems solved, right?

David

whose husband cleaned the bathrooms for her, but that wasn’t good enough because he was supposed to spend hours pricing cleaning ladies?

In case anyone missed it.

I’m rather pleased with that one. I made myself laugh. And I’m not even sorry.

David

For every one of these things, I want the husband to write an article about the wife.

In almost any family, any couple, the division of labour will often mean that each partner has obligations and benefits that differ, or differ in degree, or that differ over time. It isn’t obvious to me why this should be deemed especially noteworthy, or a basis for a public “poor me” project – which, despite attempts to have it both ways, is what Ms Hendriksen’s article to a large extent is. And the fact that the “poor me” angle doesn’t prompt an immediate gushing of sympathy – what with all that jealousy and resentment being aired – says little about the husband or the logistics of being a family. It may, however, say quite a bit about the author.

tkdkerry

One day, she asked me "Why do you always tell me why my ideas will not work?" I explained, I am a software developer by trade. BTW, I was considered to be a good one by my peers. Success is recognizing a problem, accurately determining the cause(s), developing a solution, and implementing that solution. My success was related to being able to predict ways things could break and to add mitigations for those failure modes. It is just what I do.

We could be separated twins. Electrical engineer by training, software engineer by career choice, this is my experience exactly.

pst314

Showers and personal hygiene are not daily occurrences, and when they do happen, it’s rushed and with at least one child at my feet. Some days I don’t brush my teeth at all.

I've known a few people with poor personal hygiene. Some offered excuses, and yet they all had at least as much free time as I did. In every case the real cause was that person's various personality problems.

asiaseen

the extensive list of chores undertaken by the husband

And coupled with the fact Ms H doesn't even keep herself clean, WTF does she do?

Ah, of course, she writes articles bemoaning the fact that her husband is both breadwinner and household skivvy.

WTP

My success was related to being able to predict ways things could break and to add mitigations for those failure modes. It is just what I do.

This. I catch a lot of crap from these "if anything can go right, it will" types. Mostly women who whine about how this or that thing doesn't meet their satisfaction. Along with the "live in the moment" types. When I point out the problems with their pipe dreams or why their failure to have a plan for when things go wrong, I'm the negative one. Yet generally the whole conversation was started by their whining about their world not being perfect. I try to explain it's not about being negative, and I note that I have solutions that require a bit more work/effort/money than they realize or that fail to fit their pie-in-the-sky ideology. Maybe 10-20% of engineering is creating the thing. 80-90% is making sure the thing doesn't kill anyone. You don't want to fly on an airplane build/maintained by optimists.

Another Calgary Marc

There's a distinct personality type at play here. I don't know the specific terminology, but I get to see it to an extent in my daily life. That is, it doesn't matter how perfect something may be from an objective perspective, there can always be something found to be wrong. There is no rest, no contentment, unless there's something to change/fix/adjust/fiddle with. I liken it to being shark-like: if I stop moving, I die.

Beyond that, this lady is bent. She has arguably the perfect husband, and she can't stand up to the comparison on the distaff side. She hates herself for not being a good wife (mother? she seems to think she's good there, but who knows?) or partner, and so rather than turn inward and focus on bringing up her game, she falls into the, "well it's not my fault" trap and decides that it's all her husband's fault for being so damn perfect.

And yet, you just know that if he did ease off the perfection a tad bit, he'd be equally excoriated for not being perfect.

With this type of woman, it's lose-lose.

Sam

Possibly related.

Sam

"When in reality, all [I] wanted is for [society] to acknowledge that [I] was justified in feeling."

In the spirit of problem-solving men I've helpfully shortened that diatribe - and all its kin - into the actual underlying desire.

Sam

"Washday Blues"

or

"Woman seeks validation for being massive c*nt. News at 11."

Sam

On a rickety barge
the patrons all sing
for the captain has fisked
and thus hears a ping

David

On a rickety barge
the patrons all sing
for the captain has fisked
and thus hears a ping

Bless you, sir. May your lock-screen to home-screen transition be a thing of beauty.

Squires

And with each load, the jealousy grows.

This would have made a lot more sense in an article about swinging, but that would have been too sane and normal for the publication.

As everything else that follows, I have two words: crab bucket.

Karl

The Duke of Sussex is going to work for the fast-growing employee coaching and mental health startup BetterUp

That's odd. Wasn't one of the Oprah whinges of his husband Princess Sparkles that they couldn't figure out how to obtain Royal counselling for her multitudinous personality disorders?

Darleen

Holy Mary Mother of God, if she's a SAHM who chose it and all she does is the kids what does she have to complain about?

This is toxic femininity on display. All whining for attention and not one sincere expression of gratitude.

Ungrateful people, like unhappy people (usually the same group) make the world a worse place.

and oh She doesn’t want a husband. She wants a girlfriend. <---THIS THIS THIS

Richard (Dick) Smacky

That has got to be the most demented drivel I have ever read. What an unbelievably stupid person.

Uncle Mikey

So far every Scary Mommy column I've read makes me think of serial killers rationalizing their murders. Insane people think this way

Squires

I can hear our friend Tariq’s mental gearing shifting into 4-Low from here:

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/03/police-identify-ahmad-alissa-as-boulder-shooting-suspect/

WTP

makes me think of serial killers rationalizing their murders. Insane people think this way

Funny. This woman at the very least was willing to acknowledge that her husband did all these things. Take away her complaint and everything else stated is otherwise a sign of a well balanced, appreciative, good woman. Unlike the usual tack that these types take, where a man/husband does this stuff and they then deny he did any of it or that it has been done in such a slipshod way that the poor woman has to go back and do it all over anyway. But she doesn't go there. The absolutely illogical refusal to process reality, coming from a female mindset, made me think of the discussion I recently had with a female former co-worker regarding events from the Zimmerman/Martin shooting, specifically absolutely insisting that the words "we don't need you to do that" has exactly the same meaning as "do not do that". No possible consideration that maybe, kinda, sorta, she could be wrong. She was flabbergasted that I would think otherwise...though to be fair, as I felt, or now feel, towards her. Though again TBF there are quite a few men who make the same illogical argument. But pretty much about every one of those men I've always had my doubts. What made me think specifically of this former co-worker in this context is that up until that point, having known this woman (of and on) for over 35 years, she is a woman whom of all the women I have known in my life I would easily put her in the top 1% as far as being a rational, serious person. Something that has deeply undermined my faith in just about everyone I know.

Robert Kendall

friends dont let friends date white chicks

Uma Thurmond's Feet

You don't want to fly on an airplane build/maintained by optimists.

Reminds me of a story from long ago about the value of having both optimists and pessimists in your company.

The optimists think up great ideas, while the pessimists look at the problems in implementing them.

If you can get them to work together well, you can build a spaceship to the stars.

Stephen J.

"Women would rather share their tales of woe with another woman than a man because what they really want is empathy, not a solution."

And to further explicate this, part of this dynamic is that quite frequently the person complaining has already thought of certain actions that could mitigate the initial issue; they have simply already discarded those solutions because they would have costs related to as-yet-unmentioned factors (e.g. "Why don't you just stop spending time with her?" "Because then she'll start spending time with other staffers, and then those staffers are the first to hear about the good opportunities."). This is part of why women can find men being "helpful" so annoying: it makes them feel condescended to for assuming they were oblivious enough not to see an "obvious" solution, rather than trusting them to have already done everything they could think of before resorting to venting.

This goes to one of the fundamental male-female differences: a man doesn't complain for complaining's sake about a problem he can't fix, because stoic, uncomplaining endurance of the unavoidable is how he validates his own opinion of himself and how he avoids revealing weakness to possible competitors: "I'm a tough bastard for putting up with this." A woman, by contrast, has no issue complaining to another about unfixable problems because getting empathic feedback about that discomfort is how she validates her opinion of herself, and how she builds alliances with potential cooperators: "You're a saint for putting up with that."

Sam

a man doesn't complain for complaining's sake about a problem he can't fix, because stoic, uncomplaining endurance of the unavoidable is how he validates his own opinion of himself

A pint for Stephen J, por favor

Stephen J.

Much obliged, although when I say "a man" I should specify here that I am describing an oft-espoused ideal rather than, say, a brag about my own actual success in that area. I have been known to gripe to friends for sake of the griping when there was nothing else to do. (Though if one of them actually does think of a solution I haven't, I am willing to take it on board.)

Burnsie

This guy probably thinks "Thank God it's Monday" when he skips off to work after the weekend.

NTSOG

@ Squires: "Ahmad Al-Issa'? Is that an Irish name? He doesn't look Irish.

Stephen J.

"'Ahmad Al-Issa'? Is that an Irish name? He doesn't look Irish."

Faith an' begorra, eh'm sure they'll be after tellin' us 'twas just a mishearing, and the dastardly fella's name's actually Emmett O'Lissa or summat o' the like.

Geezer

I’m rather pleased with that one. I made myself laugh. And I’m not even sorry.

Over at Disqus, I can "upvote" a comment without a whole lot of HTML.
Can you make that work here, David?

David

Can you make that work here, David?

It can, I think, be integrated, but it’s a bit of a faff and not without compromises. So I’m reluctant. I am, however, prepared to listen to readers tell me how wonderful I am.

So there’s that.

pst314

It can, I think, be integrated, but it’s a bit of a faff and not without compromises. So I’m reluctant.

I'm with you on this, David: The blog is fine the way it is. Every tweak or enhancement means more work, more risk, more stress. Anything that makes this blog less fun for you is to be avoided. (But please don't remind me of that observation the next time I complain about the bar snacks.)

Geezer

You are wonderful, David.
If I could "upvote" a particular comment without further effort, you would be even more wonderful.

Jeff Wood

Not living now in the UK, I had not noticed until now that this is the (first)* anniversary of "Two weeks to Flatten the Curve".

Fifty two weeks later...

* Yes, I am an optimist. Why do you ask?

Darleen

"'Ahmad Al-Issa'? Is that an Irish name? He doesn't look Irish."

But but but ... Syrian Muslims are STILL WHITE!!

Jen

It is interesting that she complains so much, I have been a stay-at-home mum, a working mum with husband, and a mum working full-time and looking after children by myself. The life of a stay-at-home mum is a doddle. What she leaves out is the meeting with other mums at least once or twice a week at the park to give the kids someone else to play with, ditto coffee outings with neighbours and friends, having playdates for children and the ability to have a home career or at least develop a creative interest in craft, art or literature. Really, it all just means being responsible for her own behaviour and organising herself. With so much help from her husband, she surely has a regime when she gets up early, organises the kids, cleans the house and has the rest of the day to herself and children, and has her own interest she pursues while children are playing, even if it is 15 minutes a time. It is all up to her, no-one else. Even if she had a job, she would whinge about that.

Squires

Syrian Muslims are STILL WHITE!!

Whhirrrr whir whiiiirrrrr.

NTSOG

@ Jen: "...being responsible for her own behaviour and organising herself."

Unfortunately personal responsibility is no longer fashionable. She's just playing 'poor me, I'm a victim of my husband's goodness; it's not fair ...' I reckon she's a very self-centred and even disturbed woman. She'll make a 'wonderful' mother-in-law in the future when her children marry - if she allows them to grow independent from her.

pst314

Via Andy Ngo, a black man subjects an Asian woman to a racist tirade. The vile excuse for a man repeatedly calls her "chink". In any dispute between strangers, American blacks are vastly, vastly more likely to spontaneously erupt with racial insults. Why? Because racism is widely accepted--even praised--in black America.

aelfheld
I am, however, prepared to listen to readers tell me how wonderful I am.

I thought we were to accomplish that via ping?

NTSOG

"...a black man subjects an Asian woman to a racist tirade"

It surely couldn't be a 'real' Africa-American behaving this way. It must be a [white] Syrian in black-face causing racial tension and division because of Trump.

pst314

It surely couldn't be a 'real' Africa-American behaving this way.

I big your pardon. Certainly a false flag operation by the Trumpist white supremacists. :-)

pst314

It surely couldn't be a 'real' Africa-American behaving this way.

I usually do not say "African-American" anymore, preferring "black American" as more honest. (Egyptians are African but not black. And then there are whites born in Africa. So to Hell with the politically correct language of lie, and to Hell with those who demand it.)
What's more, when African blacks come to America to study or work, they often look at our "African Americans" and think "what is wrong with these fools?"

NTSOG

"I usually do not say "African-American" anymore, preferring "black American" as more honest."

I was just being formal. On the other hand 'black American' doesn't feel right as so many are clearly unhappy living in the richest country in the world which offers them every chance to advance themselves - if THEY can be bothered to try. In short they are a poor example of what it is to be 'American'.

WTP

Heh. I could never get my mother to say 'blacks', she would always say 'colored people'. As a teenager I found it embarrassing. Then along came the 'African American' term, which like pst I have refused to use based on everything he just said and more. Now the term 'people of color' is coming into vogue. I may start using the term 'colored people' again, in tribute to my mother. Maybe I can out woke the woke.

Daniel Ream

And then there are whites born in Africa

A friend of mine went to high school with a blonde, freckled South African Boer girl, who was deluged with scholarships when she applied to university. On paper she was an African-American Woman. A few of them tried to squirm out of giving them to her, but were unsuccessful because none of them were willing to admit that the scholarships were not for "African-Americans" but for black women.

Chester Draws

Well, I don’t mean to downplay the difficulties of being an at-home mom to (presumably) small children.

Well you should. Like Jen I have been the stay-at-home while my wife was out earning good money.

I did all the jobs around the house and garden except giving the kids baths and buying their clothes. It was very nice and relaxing. And then they went to school -- and it was fabulous!

MC

With so much help from her husband, she surely has a regime....

She doesn't manage to brush her teeth some days. If that's a regime, it ought to be condemned by the UN.

Now the term 'people of color' is coming into vogue. I may start using the term 'colored people' again, in tribute to my mother.

Best of luck! Perhaps more people should do it and, if complaints are received, just look blank and say: "But it is exactly the same as 'people of color', how can you possibly be offended?"

I was going to muse on the strangeness of declaring that Syrians are white, but someone with 3 white grandparents is black, or 'of colour', but that would be a waste of time. Trying to put this malign nonsense in a logical context is pointless.

David

I thought we were to accomplish that via ping?

Ah, was that you? Bless you, sir. When standing at the sink, sipping coffee and not entirely awake, may you never be alarmed by the sudden proximity of your window cleaner, who’s appeared unannounced a day earlier than usual.

Fred the Fourth

I'm an engineer. I solved the problem of my wife venting problems at me but not wanting a solution by the simple expedient of asking her to tell me in advance if she 1) wanted to vent, or 2) wanted help with a solution. Works great.
Of course, she was once an engineer, too.

David

the simple expedient of asking her to tell me in advance if she 1) wanted to vent, or 2) wanted help with a solution

There’s a place in the world for venting. I’ve done it, certainly. Sort of,

“I WISH TO EXPRESS MY IRRITATION WITH THIS THING, AND TO DO IT LOUDLY AND AT LENGTH. PAY ATTENTION BUT DO NOT INTERRUPT.

However, it’s a little odd to fish for sympathy, as if wronged and downtrodden, while simultaneously depicting your own domestic arrangements, the thing about which you’re venting, as on the whole quite favourable, and while speaking of your apparently conscientious and obliging partner in terms of jealousy and resentment. And while also revealing yourself to be somewhat disorganised and unable to accomplish even rudimentary oral hygiene.

It’s an unhappy combination, and not especially convincing.

Zionist Overlord #73

A lot of people are criticizing the woman from the article. But isn't it possible that we're just miscategorizing the genre?

Granted, I haven't actually read it, but maybe this isn't one of those look-how-hard-my-life-is articles?

Maybe it's one of those look-how-much-better-I-did-than you articles, with a few symbolic touches to make it look a bit like those look-how-hard-my-life-is articles?

Peel away the complaints, and what have you got?

I have a husband.
I already have children. More than one, in case you didn't notice.
MY husband has a job.
MY husband helps me with household chores.
MY husband fixes things around the house.
MY husband is attentive to my emotional problems and tries to help. He's not busy watching football like yours.
MY husband spends time with my children.

What have you got, bitches?

David

Maybe it’s one of those look-how-much-better-I-did-than you articles, with a few symbolic touches to make it look a bit like those look-how-hard-my-life-is articles?

Heh. Ms Hendriksen does seem to be trying to have it both ways.

PiperPaul

Humblebragging has evolved to Oppressionbragging, perhaps.

pst314

I was just being formal.

In fact, I was not criticizing your choice of words, only using that as a jumping off point for my comment.

pst314

I may start using the term 'colored people' again, in tribute to my mother.

And "collard people' for anyone who preserves the old culinary traditions of the South?

pst314

Now the term 'people of color' is coming into vogue.

How about 'people of choler' for the entire angry left regardless of race, sex, etc?

exdemocrat

PST - I see the Miami New Times lays the blame for that bigoted tired squarely where it belongs: Trump referring to the Woohoo flu as the ‘China virus.’

Megaera

Regarding the comments on Ms E's oppressionbragging/humblebragging, it is striking how nearly she is one with the daughters of the horse-leech ("There be three things which are not satisfied, Yea four which sayeth not 'It is Enough' ...), the point being that for this personality NOTHING will ever be good enough, and the Non-Goodness of everything then constitutes their justification for their eternal immiseration. Otherwise stated, "I'm not happy AND IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT."

Thing is, given the essentially excellent circumstances the writer describes at length, I am given to wonder if, somehow, this isn't someone actually trying to take the piss (is that the expression, David?) with Scary Mommy, showing inescapably that for its slice of the demographic nothing, in fact, will ever be good enough? A species of blame-shaming, as it were?

Nah. Too complicated. Just write her off as "Bitchez be crazy."

Megaera

Er, I think that should be "horse-leach". Apologies. Spell-check is not a reliable aid for older spellings.

David

(is that the expression, David?)

It is indeed. See also, ripping the piss. If you fancy a little regional flavour.

Cloudbuster

There's a solution to women like this (greetings from 1960):

https://youtu.be/P2f3k8COM0E

ComputerLabRat

No - horse-leech is correct, as in leech the bloodsucker, and not leach the seepage. Daughters of the horse-leech is an expression I hadn't heard until now, but I know a few women who fit that to a T, and could have written the above article, too (as in sit at home on their fat unshowered asses playing games while hubby works and then does all the housework too. Although a couple of them have gotten part-time jobs recently, but then use that as an excuse for still not doing any housework). I'm going with Occam's razor here - bitch be lazy. Maybe crazy too, but lazy and spoiled, mainly. Daughter of the horse-leech - I gotta remember that one.

Megaera

It's from Proverbs, 30:15 IIRC, and while the arguments over text and orthography are endless, the substance has stayed stuck in my memory: "The horseleech hath two daughters, crying Give, Give! There be three things which are never satisfied, Yea, four things say not, It is enough: the grave; and the barren womb; and the earth which is not filled with water; and the fire which saith not, It is enough."

Seems apt enough for most of these people. I expect you're right on the spelling, even if it actually refers to horse-doctors themselves -- makes more sense.

pst314

Yes, "horse-leech" is an ancient name for "horse doctor" just as "leech" is an ancient word for doctor--in both cases, deriving from the ancient practice of medicinal blood-letting, and so in ancient times "leech" was not a derogatory word. Gotta keep the four humours (blood, phlegm, black bile, and yellow bile) in balance, after all. There are probably some jokes lurking in this esoterica, but I need some coffee (which is probably bad because it will throw the black bile upon the yellow, or something.)
The Bible commentary that I have seen says that the text refers to the leech itself, not to the doctor, which is puzzling. But Proverbs is in the Old Testament, so I probably should consult Jewish commentary.

Alex

pst314, most of the Jewish commentaries there do say that it means the creature (like ComputerLabRat wrote, and like your source says). The Hebrew word is עֲלוּקָה (ʿaluka), and it's cognate with Arabic عَلَقَة‎ (ʿalaqa), with the same meaning. The comparison is indeed with the way a leech sucks blood endlessly.

(Where the "horse" part in the KJV translation comes from, I don't know. Maybe it's in the same vein - pardon the pun - as "horseradish," so called because of its large size.)

pst314

pst314, most of the Jewish commentaries there do say that it means the creature

So the original Hebrew only says "leech", not "horse leech"? That is enlightening. Thank you very much.

You may be right about the King James Version, although it has been criticized on other counts for inaccuracy of translation.

Paolo Pagliaro

She doesn't want her problems fixed because her "problems" are very little and complaining is immensely satisfying.

Out of the crooked timber of humanity...

Sonny Wayz

"What she leaves out is the meeting with other mums at least once or twice a week at the park to give the kids someone else to play with..."

I've wondered from time to time who watches Oprah, The View, and As The World Turns, if housework is such a neverending grind.

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