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Today's word is 'madhouse'.

anon a mouse

Well, as is often pointed out, if one can hear the dog whistle...

Burnsie

they’re merely dishonest and are feigning a kind of hysteria

That.

I'm regularly amazed by how many worker ants in the radical left will willingly humiliate themselves publicly with claims of emotional harm that are downright infantile.

"Those words frighten me! I'm afraid! I don't feel safe!"

This, coming from so-called adults in response to someone's contrary opinion? It's telling the world you have the maturity of a 10-year-old.

It's obviously a tactic. But what kind of adults would debase themselves so by using it?

anon a mouse

But what kind of adults would debase themselves so by using it?

Well, a quick flip thru a search engine seems to show that all but one of the individuals mentioned by name are white women...

So there's that.

NJH

And further, according to Vice President of Instruction, Suzanne Ames, that the experience of hearing dissent was “super-stressful,” resulting in ringing ears, “sweating,” and an “out-of-body experience.”

Some drugs do that. But you need a good and knowledgable dealer for those out of body experiences.

Liz

according to Vice President of Instruction, Suzanne Ames... the experience of hearing dissent was “super-stressful,” resulting in ringing ears, “sweating,” and an “out-of-body experience.”

Are there any adults in the room?

David

Today’s word is ‘madhouse’.

Well, if just one person objecting to zealotry and racial segregation reduces you to a twitching, sweating, disembodied mess – or obliges you to publicly pretend such – then I think it’s fair to say that something is amiss. And to say that an environment in which such dramas are considered normal - indeed, a basis for status - is itself absurd and pathological.

WTP

It's obviously a tactic. But what kind of adults would debase themselves so by using it?

Far more adults debase themselves by actually believing it. And similar tripe. Many of them are people I know and once respected as friends and colleagues.

Richard

If you break out in a cold sweat when someone disagrees with you, seek medical attention.

Jeff Guinn

... especially if it lasts more than four hours.

Severian

Back in my teaching days, a student who suspected I was a secret shitlord asked me if I didn't find some campus policy "traumatic" (why, in other words, wasn't I joining the Two Minutes Hate)? I replied "Because I'm a grown up." That alone will be enough to get me a tenner under Article 58, but the look on the students' faces was worth it.

David

More snapshots of the psychodrama can be found in this thread.

Governor Squid

I was given a Very Naughty Boy badge from HR for the heinous crime of asking a "facilitator" if she could name the leading cause of death for black males aged 15-29.

I've come to understand that a "sense of perspective" is not what the company was going for in that particular "conversation."

aelfheld
Are there any adults in the room?

Outside of Parrett, apparently not.

As much of higher education is simply advanced day care it may a bit much to expect a mature outlook.

David

As much of higher education is simply advanced day care it may a bit much to expect a mature outlook.

And these are the people from whom impressionable teenagers are, in theory, supposed to take their cues, their expectations of adulthood. Of how to carry on in the world. As a clever person.

Joe Ego

Except for the hierarchy at play, this reminds me of the tactical considerations of filing a sexual abuse complaint at colleges. If Parrett had remained quiet and kept a recording as evidence then she could possibly have filed damaging reports (with the trustees?) on several people. Instead she behaved like a reasonable person and a report was filed on her first.

ComputerLabRat

More snapshots of the psychodrama can be found in this thread.

Including hyperventilations from twits going on about "literally insurrection", "literally a coup", and how she should by drawn and quartered for attending the Jan 6 rally, so her complaints have no merit, and anything she got from her dissention in the struggle session was probably less than she deserved.

I need a drink. and one of those ambulatory bar snacks

WTP

Twentysomething years ago at my Cincinnati-based "capitalist" corporation, CEO board I later discovered consisting of strong Republicans whose support of Mitt Romney was unanimous. At this corporation HR posted one of their increasingly numerous "lessons" in the break room bulletin board informing us of a new rule. The Platinum Rule. See, the Golden Rule as I'm sure all here are aware being "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you" which having been around for thousands of years was no longer sufficient. The new, improved Platinum Rule being "Treat others as they would prefer to be treated". Now up to that point in my life, the Golden Rule was just something I had pretty much taken for granted as standard moral code. I hadn't really put much thought into how excellently it balances out. Seeing this new Platinum Rule juxtaposed with the Golden Rule, seemed there was quite an imbalance with the PR. The self-correcting mechanism of the Golden Rule was being obliterated by...damn, looked like...if taken seriously...infantile tyranny. I had one of those AYFKM moments that don't seem to effect other people so much...apparently. I mentioned it to some "conservative", even "religiously conservative", coworkers. More in a joking manner than anything. I try to be very careful not to bring such things up out of the blue as I find it very awkward myself. Just in the context of lunch conversations that were already diverged into such issues, as they sometimes do among friends and such. I am very conscious of not being "that guy"...well used to be until a year ago...but I digress. In a kind of "get a load of the new stupid from HR" sense. I was somewhat taken aback by the ready acceptance of this new "rule". Being taken aback, I tried to point out where such idiocy might possibly lead. I don't recall exactly how I put it but even in my worst imagination, I didn't think it would lead to something like what we are seeing here today. If I had predicted exactly this thing, that exactly this sort of Clown World crap would be taught in colleges, universities, and even from HR departments in the future, I am quite certain I would have been disregarded as being a bit of a looney.

Now I see many of my "conservative" and even "religiously conservative" friends bitching and moaning about the current state of things. Things like this. And I can't help but think to myself, fuck everybody.

rechill

I am so glad that 25+ years ago I decided to leave the halls of academia and never return.

Jay Guevara

"Courageous Conversations"

It is to laugh. The only person engaging in a Courageous Conversation was Elisa Parrett, the unperson.

Jay Guevara

The new, improved Platinum Rule being "Treat others as they would prefer to be treated".

This spectacularly flunks an "exchange of variables" analysis. If "A" prefers to be treated with cringing respect and groveling, then "B" must comply? What if "B" wants the same thing? Then must "A" comply?

It's totally unworkable, and obviously the product of a rather dull mind. (If you'll pardon the exaggeration.)

Dr. Chaotica

The new, improved Platinum Rule being "Treat others as they would prefer to be treated".

That's the most idiotic thing I have ever heard. My response would be that I prefer for the head of HR to mow my lawn once a week. And I prefer for the CEO to pay off all of my loans and credit cards. Also, I prefer to be guaranteed employment for life, relieved of all responsibilities, and given a 500% raise, effective immediately. No arguments, please; it's what I prefer, so you have to do it. The Platinum Rule says so.

Daniel Ream

"Treat others as they would prefer to be treated"

I identify as Emperor Norton II, and my pronouns are "your Imperial Majesty".

all but one of the individuals mentioned by name are white women

High school mean girls. That's all it is. You can replace "white privilege" with "last season's shoes" without loss of semantics.

Darleen

Today's word is 'madhouse'.

As goes academia, so goes even the worker bees in media.

Money quote:

I have dated really nice and loving white men who are aware of these issues – if not in the beginning, definitely by the end of our relationship. As someone who is heavily involved in social justice work, particularly through the arts collective Skin Deep, I always joke that the reason I date white men is so that I can practise micro-activism – making them aware of their privilege every day that they’re with me.

Daniel Ream

Money quote

She isn't wrong, but then anyone who's outside the norm is going to attract people who exotify their traits. I know of a guy who's a cop who hides that fact when dating until the third or fourth date - "I work for the city" - so as to weed out the badge bunnies.

So yet again, we have a woman taking something that happens to everybody making herself out to be some kind of specially oppressed person because she's encountered it. With an added soupçon of starting a relationship under false premises in pursuit of her own agenda.

if not in the beginning, definitely by the end of our relationship

The subtext screams volumes.

David

High school mean girls. That’s all it is. You can replace “white privilege” with “last season’s shoes” without loss of semantics.

The psychology is essentially the same. See, for instance, the second item here.

badge bunnies

I learned something today.

David

And in woke Marvel news.

pst314

And in woke Marvel news.

"He continues, 'He tells them what they’ve always longed to hear. That they are secretly great. That the whole world is against them. That if they’re truly men, they’ll fight back.' It is a gross oversimplification of Jordan Peterson actually teaches, to put it mildly."

Replace "oversimplification" with "misrepresentation": Jordan Peterson does not tell kids that the world is against them.

Oh well, just one more reason to regard Ta-Nehisi Coates as malevolent vermin.

Joe Ego

I learned something today.

This is how plenty of girls engage with various subcultures. If becoming "pen pals" and visiting murderers is a thing for some then seeking out race car drivers or cops or anything else seems a whole lot less weird.

Joe Ego

Replace "oversimplification" with "misrepresentation"

Or, better: "projection". Add this message on top of black's notorious racial solidarity and you've got BLM.

You're great. You're just trying to live your life and all these people are keeping you down. They can't keep you down if you fight back. So get out there and break things until they stop and acknowledge your greatness (by paying you off like a petulant barbarian/child).

NTSOG

Sylvia Hong: "... making them aware of their privilege every day that they’re with me."

So Ms. Hong believes that any lad, allowed by her to enter her exclusive oriental 'orbit', is privileged so special is she. I presume she radiates a glowing aura of some kind, but, to me, she is a pretentious, self-indulgent brat. There's an old saying that fits her: she's so up herself she thinks her s**t doesn't stink.

WTP

Dr. Chaotica & Daniel Ream, you took the words right out of my mouth. Or would have if you had been there 20 years ago. Almost precisely what I said at the time. Or mostly what I said before the crickets told me I oughtta shut up. Because I was the one being a bit silly, you see. And here we are...

pst314

I learned something today.

This is how plenty of girls engage with various subcultures. If becoming "pen pals" and visiting murderers is a thing for some then seeking out race car drivers or cops or anything else seems a whole lot less weird.

Think of it as simply seeking out alpha males, be it cops, athletes, musicians, or what have you. Pretty much every field has groupies.

Squires

Outside of Parrett, apparently not.

...I am quite certain I would have been disregarded as being a bit of a looney.

Quoting Saint Antony is fast approaching cliche.

The subtext screams volumes.

My own immediate thought upon finishing that sentence was, “COULD THERE BE A CONNECTION, SALLY??”

a different james

Pretty much every field has groupies.

Including murderers upon their release from prison.

Depressing Fact for Today.

Daniel Ream

And in woke Marvel news.

If it's any consolation, there's no risk of defamation because nobody reads any comic Coates writes. During the Secret Empire arc, Rich Meyer dug up ample evidence that Marvel was shipping unordered copies of the issues to comic book stores and marking them as sales to hide the fact that no one was buying them. Worse than that, they were driving customers away; he shared an email from one shop owner who said he had to bin the issues the moment they showed up because customers walking into the store would turn around and walk right out if they saw Secret Empire titles on display.

DC has followed them down the rathole. I really hope there's something to the rumour that Warner is looking to shutter DC Comics and license the entire IP out to a third party.

Uma Thurmond's Feet

"If becoming "pen pals" and visiting murderers is a thing for some then seeking out race car drivers or cops or anything else seems a whole lot less weird."

Look online for the Mark Twain sketch "Lionizing Murderers," and remember he wrote that back around 1870.

pst314

DC has followed them [Marvel] down the rathole...

I have heard it claimed that it no longer matters if Marvel comics make any money at all, because the revenue from Hollywood licensing is larger by many orders of magnitude.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Getting more on track after the comic book news, and not totally off the original topic, we find another well reasoned response to a troubling situation.

MC

unhinged and hysterical. Unless, of course, they’re merely dishonest and are feigning a kind of hysteria

I don't think any of them know any more. They're so far removed from the truth it is almost irrelevant to ask if they are lying.

Some drugs do that.

A combination of ecstasy and ketamine would probably do the trick.

it no longer matters if Marvel comics make any money at all

US comic book/graphic novel industry annual sales: $1.2bn
Avengers Endgame revenues: $2.8bn

I don't know what Marvel gets out of its licensing agreement, but it seems likely that it can get away with printing any old nonsense from now on. It's a bit like the Guardian newspaper in the UK, which loses money hand over fist, but has a £1bn trust to support it.

pst314

US comic book/graphic novel industry annual sales: $1.2bn
Avengers Endgame revenues: $2.8bn

That's a lot of comics and graphic novels. Bigger than I realized. Oh well, so much for the "orders of magnitude" claim.

pst314

It's a bit like the Guardian newspaper in the UK, which loses money hand over fist, but has a £1bn trust to support it.

If only they would hire some utter incompetents to manage their money and turn that £1bn into £1mn.

Steve E

If only they would hire some utter incompetents to manage their money and turn that £1bn into £1mn.

How do you make a small fortune?

Start with a large one.

Daniel Ream

Oh well, so much for the "orders of magnitude" claim

Note that that is all comic books and all graphic novels from all publishers for an entire year, vs. the revenue from a single movie. "Orders of magnitude" is about right.

The comics divisions of Marvel/DC haven't been profitable for decades at this point; it's the TV and movie properties where all the money is. So yes, that means Marvel (and DC) can get away with printing any old nonsense.

In other doubling-down-on-the-wokery pop culture news, the USA Network TV show Leverage is getting a reboot.

dcardno

So yes, that means Marvel (and DC) can get away with printing any old nonsense.

For a while, I suppose - but at some point they have to have new material that's worth licensing, don't they? After publishing 20 years of - what was that - Snowflake and Safespace? can they still make money franchising Peter Parker or the Hulk?

David

It’s all around us, everywhere, including under the bed.

Via Damian.

David

If it’s any consolation, there's no risk of defamation because nobody reads any comic Coates writes.

His ham-fisted, heavily politicised Black Panther series, essentially a Black Lives Matter screed about gentrification and police-robot brutality, instantly shrank the readership by an order of magnitude before being abruptly cancelled. It was that good. Naturally, the woke-lings at Gizmodo and io9 blamed the cancellation on racism and poor marketing - despite umpteen gush-pieces - not the product’s quality or its grating, patronising tone. I remember one thread, probably at the one of the above sites, in which anyone who dared to acknowledge the issue of quality was promptly denounced as ignorant and treacherous.

pst314

It’s all around us, everywhere, including under the bed.

Traditional racists see Jews under the bed (and negroes in the woodpile_, while woke racists see Jews and whites and Asians--well, everyone but blacks--under the bed.

pst314

His ham-fisted, heavily politicised Black Panther series

One commenter described it as "Mary Sue for black racists". (Seen somewhere on the internet not long after it came out.)

John Lewis

Surely the lady should be saying “I can’t breath” rather than “AHHH!!!”.

Felicity

Let's play: "What/who/where is racist today?" If you guessed the set of the great Australian drama Neighbours, you win a prize*. https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/apr/07/neighbours-allegedly-removed-actor-from-set-after-complaints-of-racism-by-indigenous-actor-shareena-clanton

Apparently Shareena Clanton was racially abused, and was worried that when she complained it may affect her career. I would suggest that there are other reasons people may not employee/want to work with her. Any hoo, my favourite part of the article is this:

Clanton also said she had to partially pay out of her own salary for the cost of having Wurundjeri elder Aunty Diane Kerr on set for several months to ensure the production observed appropriate cultural safety protocols while working on country. I'm not sure if I am living in the same country.

Second favourite part is the Guardians screed at the bottom of the page - they are here to save us all!

*Prize - may you have a legitimate reason to call in sick on the next Cultural and Diversity training day.

NTSOG

... appropriate cultural safety protocols while working on country.

What's that mean? All I can think of is don't throw a boomerang away and then turn your back. Don't pet saltwater crocodiles and stay away from snakes and blue ring octopus.

Burnsie

It is to laugh. The only person engaging in a Courageous Conversation was Elisa Parrett, the unperson.

Excellent point. Meanwhile, the people sponsoring "Courageous Conversations" were curling up in a fetal ball. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so infuriating.

David

It is to laugh.

Yes, the inversion of reality is quite bold. I’m not sure what’s courageous about publicly submitting to faulty premises, begged questions, presumed collective guilt, and the pernicious blatherings of a third-rate race hustler.

And hey, it’s not like these things could ever be a form of psychological abuse, run by spiteful lunatics.

WTP

Here's a truly racism article from a week ago via Instapundit..funny how this story has gone under the radar for decades...

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/441757/

But the thug drug addict George Floyd's parents get $25 million.

Daniel Ream

can they still make money franchising Peter Parker or the Hulk?

The eighth Spider-Man movie is coming.

There is a truly staggering amount of Marvel canon and the entire modern MCU has only barely scratched the surface. Also, to the MCU's credit they're actually writing largely original material. They take high-level concepts, throw away the absolutely shite Marvel's writers made of them, and come up with something that's actually watchable (I'm looking at you, Civil War).

The dirty little secret of comic books is that Sturgeon's Law does not actually apply, at least not in the usual way; they're pretty much universally bad. They're like Mack Bolan novels. People read them because of what they are, not in spite of.

Jesse Singal shares a longer, more detailed account

I remember when Reason was a great deal less cozy with the ideological establishment. Singal can barely get his story out, he's so busy tut-tutting and finger-wagging about how deplorable Dr. Parrett is.

David

Singal can barely get his story out, he’s so busy tut-tutting and finger-wagging about how deplorable Dr. Parrett is.

That’s sort of why the Reason link gets second billing. There’s some useful information there, but quite a bit of nose-holding.

pst314

Here's a truly racism article from a week ago via Instapundit..funny how this story has gone under the radar for decades...

"Let's railroad three innocent men, because otherwise blacks will riot."

Conclusion: There are far, far too many uncivilized blacks in America. And far, far too many cowardly, corrupt, and opportunistic politicians.

aelfheld
[...] regard Ta-Nehisi Coates as malevolent vermin.

I can see no reason to regard him that highly.

ComputerLabRat

Singal can barely get his story out, he's so busy tut-tutting and finger-wagging about how deplorable Dr. Parrett is.

Key word is deplorable. I sort of missed it in the Singal article, but it was spelled out clearly at the twit thread David linked later in the comments here. You see, this unperson Parrett took part in, was involved somehow, or maybe just supported, the Stop the Steal election protests - which is apparently High Treason, Insurrection, Sedition, and whatever else they can make up. So not only is she unperson, anyone who doesn't condemn her enough is also unperson, which is probably why Singal was noseholding so tightly his face turned blue.

Tom K
Clanton alleges that when she protested to the cast member about the alleged use of the “n” word, another colleague stood up for them, arguing that the word was common usage in popular culture.

I haven't kept up with Neighbours since the late 80's when Charlene, Kylie Minogue's character, went to Brisbane and was never seen again. What I liked about it was that it was a hothouse where 15-20 year old actresses were planted to perfect their perkiness, but apart from that it was a young-adult soap opera from the Melbourne media industry, and as such when it dealt with Issues it was in a politically correct way.

We're supposed to imagine that Alf Garner has turned up on the Neighbours set as a statusful cast member. Who is this old white guy who the media executives are walking on eggshells around, even making excuses for his use of the "n" word, and which "n" word could this be?

As I understand it, there's less room for behind-the-scenes drama in 25-minute soap operas than in movies. These people have to work with each other for years, clocking in every day and delivering to deadline. If you're an old white guy, you're in danger of being written out anyway, just for the sake of youth or looking like contemporary Australia. So why would you risk your regular paycheque for a crude provocation of a colleague who can play the race card on you?

So what's being left out? Is Alf a gay cast member whose cheekiness to the touchy Abo is indulged? Or a Lebanese cast member whose ethnocentric outbursts are sensitively placed in their larger cultural context? Or is the indigene so insufferable that even her Melbourne media mentors have given up feeling solidarity with her?

pst314

can see no reason to regard him that highly.


David

I can see no reason to regard him that highly.

From what I can make out, Mr Coates is humourless, narcissistic and churns out terrible prose, while exploiting the racial hang-ups of white, middle-class lefties.

The man and his shortcomings have been mentioned here before.

See also.

Daniel Ream

Sooner or later, everyone comes around to the idea of helicopters.

Dr. Chaotica

In short, a two-hour racial struggle session based on stupefying woo.

I saw Stupefying Woo open for Nickelback in 2012.

I know of a guy who's a cop who hides that fact when dating until the third or fourth date - "I work for the city" - so as to weed out the badge bunnies.

I've never seen Badge Bunnies perform live, but I think I have one of their CDs.

pst314

I saw Stupefying Woo open for Nickelback in 2012.

I much preferred Stupefyin Jones.

Daniel Ream

I saw Stupefying Woo open for Nickelback

You went to a Nickelback concert?

Like, voluntarily?

pst314

You went to a Nickelback concert?
Like, voluntarily?

[ serenely contemplates blessed ignorance of the topic ]

pst314

More political violence in Northern Ireland. Is this still going to be happening when the sun goes cold?

pst314

Let us all celebrate our civilization's heights of achievement:

Pooklord

More Political violence in Northern Ireland

This must be a new generation doing this--they are simply too young to have any visceral connection to the traditional "troubles". BLM inspired in some way? Just guessing.

pst314

This must be a new generation doing this

Like father, like son? I have no idea. Fortunately I do not need to visit Ireland and Northern Ireland.

Megaera

NTSOG: Not to mention the sharks (white and tiger), the spiders, the jellyfish (box and irukandji), the cone snail, the bull ant, the stonefish, the stingray...

I am told the last non-lethally-venomous snake in Australia died several years ago of loneliness and despair. Everything else in Australia, including the duckbilled platypus, can kill just by looking at you. Even the koalas are stealth murderers. And don't get me started on the kangaroos...

Megaera

pst314: Know what's worse? How they look when they take the gauges out.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Around 0:21 shows what it is really all about, "Do these hammers make my ass look fat" ?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

I'll see your height of achievement, and raise you:

Pooklord

Nice work, Muldoon. I think you just broke the page.

Also my browser crashed, thanks.

BeckoningChasm

"But what kind of adults would debase themselves so by using it?"

The kind who are essentially screaming "Look at me! Look at me! Look at me and see how awesome I am!" But not using those words.

Daniel Ream

Twitter is good for some things.

Like Dr. Jordan B. Peterson doubling down on the Red Skull smear.

pst314

...Like Dr. Jordan B. Peterson doubling down on the Red Skull smear.

Also: Lobsterman!

pst314

I'll see your height of achievement, and raise you

Like an emetic only stronger.

NTSOG

@ MC: "Also, that's not what chisels are for."

It's a 'girl thing'. A [wood] chisel looks a little like a screwdriver or even a cold chisel - I have found my wife looking to use a perfectly edged wood chisel as a screwdriver on occasion.

NTSOG

@ FM Muldoon: A wood chipper would take care of the 5:00 o'clock shadow.

Dr. Chaotica

You went to a Nickelback concert? Like, voluntarily?

Did I say Nickelback? Sorry, I meant Imagine Dragons.

Daniel Ream

Imagine Dragons.

That's a lateral move.

Alan

Unless, of course, they’re merely dishonest and are feigning a kind of hysteria in order to conform with some woke ideal.

That.

David

That.

The update seems somewhat relevant.

TomJ
Twitter is good for some things.

Like Dr. Jordan B. Peterson doubling down on the Red Skull smear.

He really is.

Felicity

spiteful lunatics

Band name

WTP

Let me just say that any musical culture that rediscovered a woozy, overproduced lameass band like Journey, especially as it came back via the stupidest, lamest mafia show The Sopranosbut also due to Hillary Clinton then adopting the same Sopranos rediscovery...well such a culture has no business making fun of a band like Nickleback.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Dr. Chanequa Walker-Barnes, a clinical psychologist, womanist theologian, and ecumenical theologian, offers us a prayer for racial healing in these days of troubled times.

Farnsworth M Muldoon

Meanwhile, back to Red Skull, vermin, and Coates, an an opinion is rendered.

anon a mouse

"Dr. Chanequa Walker-Barnes"

Let me guess - Amish?

David

Somewhat related to the main post.

If memory serves, this is the chap who was accused of “aggressively” recording himself being falsely accused of aggression by people determined to destroy his career and who, themselves, were being quite aggressive about it. To say nothing of dishonest.

Again, things that tell us who they are.

pst314

Somewhat related to the main post. Again, things that tell us who they are.

From the link: "It is vital that UVA lose this case, and lose badly."

Make that extremely badly.

anon a mouse

people determined to destroy his career

Again, out on a limb here, but... women?

There's a theme there...

WTP

Now here's a great song that is relevant to pretty much every they of damn near every subject matter post. I'm thinking the Guild of Evil needs an anthem. I nominate this song. Any objections? I didn't think so...

WTP

Oh, btw...previous post NSFW. However if that's an issue...

pst314

"Dr. Chanequa Walker-Barnes"

The name itself is a red flag.

Dr. Chaotica

That's a lateral move.

It might not have been Imagine Dragons. Maybe it was a Coldplay concert. Or perhaps Hoobastank. My memory isn't what it used to be.

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