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June 14, 2021

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Pete

One can only hope that this revolutionary project doesn’t involve stairs or significant exertion.

badumtish!

Mags

dismantling the “fatphobic logic of productivity, discipline, and personal responsibility.”

Sometimes they say the quiet part out loud.

David

Sometimes they say the quiet part out loud.

See also the first item here.

bilbaoboy

Nah, it's a spoof,...... innit?

Wierdo

"The Rapist Search Engine"

Hmmm, am I going to get in trouble for reading this site?

David

Compliments cause trauma, apparently.

Sella Turcica

Readers who find this a slim distinction

ISWYDT

anon a mouse

Nah, it's a spoof"

Si

Stephanie Richer

the stigma of Type 2 diabetes (from the Google doc).

Well, then, what about the reality?

pst314

I once knew someone who was refreshingly frank that she was fat because she liked to eat more than she liked being pretty and healthy. Such uncomplicated honesty seems to have become rare, or at least cannot be heard over the screams of the activists.

David

Such uncomplicated honesty seems to have become rare,

Indeed. As I said in the previous thread on this topic, of the handful of chunky people I’ve known, none were particularly shy or neurotic about their size. Their dieting and exercise, their attempts to be less large, while sometimes intermittent, were not shameful secrets or a basis for being oppressed. Two were cheerily resigned to being fat. The effort and trade-off wasn’t worth it for them, they thought. Which is fine by me, not least because it meant they didn’t whine about it or demand that I indulge some convoluted psychodrama.

pst314

dismantling the “fatphobic logic of productivity, discipline, and personal responsibility.”

APL

Actually, I prefer to think of fitness and thinness in general as a form of body modification. After all the "fatness" advocates seem to all support endless body modifications of hair colour, tattooing, piercing, etc...

I'm choosing to modify mass, strength, and flexibility - the ultimate body positivity. My body, my choice and all...

sH2

"That's not how it works"

David

“That’s not how it works”

Which is terribly convenient, if not particularly convincing. And so, even if you’re perfectly civil towards fat people, and even if you claim to find obesity “beautiful,” that isn’t enough. You’re still the problem, something to be fixed. I.e., purged of self-possession.

David

As noted recently, it’s interesting how often these things have the air of a cult. The dogmatism and absolutist, unequivocal tone; the presumptuous “we”; the wholesale, self-satisfied regurgitation; the unconvincing smiles.

Why, it’s as if these things attract a certain kind of person.

AndyN

Are there any systems other than capitalism under which common citizens can become fat?

By the way, I scrolled through his production images. How fatphobic is it to continue appearing in stage productions where nearly all of the bodies on stage are slimmer than the average person in the community from which the cast is drawn?

Farnsworth M Muldoon

William Hornby is at the forefront of raising awareness for men with eating disorders with his advocacy on TikTok and Instagram Reels.

a) The forefront, cutting edge, Horatio at the bridge, on TikTok and Instagram, both of which are known for their rigorous science and in depth analyses and which also means the primary people who will see it are other neurotics.

b) "Special skills" include pumpkin carving, wakeboarding, and a drivers license. Special indeed, a veritable neurosurgeon test pilot.

c) Compliments can cause trauma for years.

The dogmatism and absolutist, unequivocal tone; the presumptuous “we”; the wholesale, self-satisfied regurgitation; the unconvincing smiles.

Exactly. I have no idea why backpfeifengesicht suddenly came to mind.

John D

the unconvincing smiles.

That.

JuliaM

APL: ’… the "fatness" advocates seem to all support endless body modifications of hair colour, tattooing, piercing, etc...’

Easier to work on a larger canvas, see?

Lemmi

They're fat and communists eh. Well there's not many fat people under communism (apart from the top) due to the total failure of agriculture. After a couple of years of communist crop failures and starvation they would realise it's either being fat or being communist, either way life will be short.

Jack Klompus

In Philadelphia,the mediocre at best students were told, "Well you could always apply to Temple." This school's shining stars have included "Afrocentrist" kook Molefi Asante, Hamas useful idiot Mark Lamont Hill, and Bill Cosby. Their math department for years offered courses in remedial arithmetic.

Governor Squid

How fatphobic is it to continue appearing in stage productions where nearly all of the bodies on stage are slimmer than the average person...

You mean he might be overcompensating for something? Or trying to lay the groundwork for his own defense when the raveningous horde turns its attentions upon him?

If he gave two seconds' thought to the fact that the stage is six steps up from the theater floor, he might realize that he's already in a commanding defensive position.

Darleen

“fatphobic logic of productivity, discipline, and personal responsibility.”

raising awareness for men with eating disorders

When you're a hammer, all you see are nails. However it came about, his obsession with pathological eating disorders has turned into speech policing any conversation in regards body size. It's like Victorians putting little fabric skirts on chair legs.

When one's obsession with their body (from anorexic to morbidly obese) interferes other aspects of one's life, THAT is the issue - not the gain/loss of size.

This guy needs more help than anyone just trying to lose ten pounds before their wedding.

Mags

This guy needs more help than anyone just trying to lose ten pounds before their wedding.

That.

WTP

Speaking if spoofs, check out this fake news Fox expects us thinking people to believe...

As American educational institutions continue to be called into question, a North Korean defector fears the United States' future "is as bleak as North Korea" after she attended one of the country's most prestigious universities.

"In North Korea I literally believed that my Dear Leader [Kim Jong-un] was starving," she recalled. "He's the fattest guy - how can anyone believe that? And then somebody showed me a photo and said 'Look at him, he's the fattest guy. Other people are all thin.' And I was like, 'Oh my God, why did I not notice that he was fat?' Because I never learned how to think critically."

"That is what is happening in America," she continued. "People see things but they've just completely lost the ability to think critically."

https://www.foxnews.com/us/north-korean-defector-ivy-league-nuts

They really expect me to believe this story? Yeah, right. Tell me again that this world is real.

David

When you’re a hammer, all you see are nails.

And then there’s the bizarre vanity of linking ALL OF THE THINGS to fatness.

Stephen

Well, abolish capitalism and the weight gains from abundant food sources problem will take care of itself.

kzen

“there is little to no evidence that we have any control over our size”

Gee, I guess loosing 70 pounds by limiting my caloric intake, and increasing my caloric output has been a figment of imagination. Not bad for a 56 yo diabetic male programmer!!!

Just shout them down "MY BODY, MY CHOICE"

Mike

I have fought weight (well, sometimes I tried)all my adult life. When you are older and know the toil it takes on joints and general health, this kind of stupidity is less funny. People should be encouraged toward health, because we all get old.

Strelnikov

For God's sake, somebody please tell me Hornby is a parody.

Jay Guevara

Fat liberation is a radical anti-capitalist, anti-colonial, anti-state movement that was started by fat Black and Brown disabled queer and trans people.

In short, started by the cream (skim milk?) of society.

Megaera

Lemmi -- possibly a propos: for a substantial part of my life I have struggled with weight problems despite being fairly active; on some of our remote-back-country canoe trips I was toting rather more heft than was helpful. I recall a particular campfire rumination about possible Donner-Party scenarios, to which my most meaningful contribution was that in such case I would either be the last to survive, or the first to be eaten.

I think some of the group were taking notes -- I chose not to speculate if the Spousal Unit was one of them.

Megaera

I have observed what seems to be an overnight resurgence of these dam' "body-positivity" "fat-is-not-just-healthy-but-actually-righteous" position statements...am I the only person remembering all those dispassionate listings of overweight as a COVID comorbidity equal to or greater than diabetes, heart disease or breathing disorders? Are these people simply stupid/perverse, or downright suicidal?

Johann Amadeus Metesky

“there is little to no evidence that we have any control over our size”

Just wait till he tells that to women that want a "triple-six" guy: 6 ft tall, six pack abs, and at least six inches.

Gauthier Sobchak

https://www.novomedlink.com/obesity/products/treatments/wegovy.html

Erik

This is one of these - Intra-Balkan slurs while wearing the football shirt of the country that gave your family refuge, supposedly on the basis that you wanted to get away from that sort of thing.

I would like to say one thing very clearly: I AM NOT A RACIST! I have friends in almost every country and I stand for diversity. Everyone who knows me is aware of that.'

Indeed, his non-racist and post-national credentials aren't in question. He's so non-racist that he even has a tendency on the field to forget what country he's representing, and wearing that country's uniform doesn't cramp his style when he's pursuing his individual, clan, and ethnic agendas. The important thing is that we don't have to be worried that his wearing of the Austrian shirt is accompanied by any of the dark forebodings of Austrian nationalism.

Kzen

So, you can’t control your “size” but you can change your gender. Yeah, makes perfect sense.

a different james

the unconvincing smiles

They seem to be more attempts to appear threatening : listen and obey me or I won't be so nice.

Physically, these inadequate little shits are utterly unthreatening.

However their screeching and hysterical claims of victimhood are rewarded by those who should be authority figures in schools and universities and they rightly see themselves as having power.

It may be a negative and corrosive power but they are the university lecturers and teachers of tomorrow.

Dan Chern

I didn’t look but I assume he is fat.

Ironically, if we end capitalism, a lot of fat people are going to start losing a lot of weight.

HarvardR

White supremacy....check
Anti-Blackness...check
Settler colonialism...check
Capitalism....hmmm, problematic, did not indicate capitalism as evil incarnate. 5 point penalty.

Pooklord

For God's sake, somebody please tell me Hornby is a parody.

He has to be. The degree in "Musical theatre" is just too perfect -- it's like he came up with a hilarious parody, but then went just a little too far.

sk60

He looks manic.

Rafi

Readers… must therefore “just stop wanting size changes in general.” Readers who regard weight gain as a “size change,” and not a welcome one, should presumably say nothing and act casual.

Logic is hard.

David

Logic is hard.

Well, the incoherence makes the self-satisfied certainty all the more bizarre.

In other videos, Mr Hornby insists, with equal certainty, that being “fatphobic,” while despicable, is “not our fault,” and that a reluctance to become fat merely shows that we are dupes of social conditioning, capitalism, oppressive pallor, etc. Our minds, you see, are not our own. This is delivered with the usual sweaty condescension - and the inevitable catch. Because failing to “combat your fatphobia” is, we’re told, “shameful” and a basis for scolding. We must, it seems, do as Mr Hornby demands, jump through his mental hoops, and immerse ourselves in ludicrous far-left ideology, lest we be branded as an oppressor and cast into the outer darkness.

Being enlightened, he will save us - provided we obey.

And so, it seems, we must reject the “fatphobic logic of… personal responsibility,” but accept personal responsibility for not being sufficiently woke, or sufficiently determined to “abolish capitalism,” and abolish prisons, and “patriarchy,” and the police, and…

Farnsworth M Muldoon

On the subject, let us never forget, as this learned lady reminds us fatphobia is rooted in racism. There is even a book about it she bids us to go read. I know it is on my list as soon as I get through "War and Peace", the Sanskrit edition.

David

let us never forget, as this learned lady reminds us fatphobia is rooted in racism.

It occurs to me that quite a few fat woke-lings have seen the cowing power of racism accusations, even false or ludicrous ones, and want some of that leverage. The tactical advantages of insinuating racism, however incongruously, are fairly obvious. As is the kind of person who would use such rhetorical horseshit against others.

Joe Biden

Hornby is not just a pumpkin carver, mind you: He is an Advanced Pumpkin Carver. But is he a Certified Advanced Carver?

But pumpkin carving is deeply and intricately entangled in the racist, colonialist, white supremacist, capitalist history of Amerikkka. Your denials prove the truth of that assertion.

I knew a guy in grad school who spouted every current feminist trope. In casual talk one day, he admitted he did it just for the nookie. He had learned that hearing feminism from a guy was a great turn-on for the babes.

Talking a good game is easier than playing one.

I am not saying that Hornby is a hypocrite, burnishing his resume to land the cushy pumpkin carving gigs, but….

APL

"The tactical advantages of insinuating racism, however incongruously, are fairly obvious."

I seem to recall a Malleus Maleficarum purge of racism in the knitting community a while back.

David

I seem to recall a Malleus Maleficarum purge of racism in the knitting community a while back.

I’ll just leave this here.

Again, what kinds of people…?

pst314

Via Arthur Kimes: It begins.

I hope that wasn't your lair, David.
(Yes, I know it's only a trick of the accidental lineup, but it's fun to pretend otherwise.)

Governor Squid

quite a few fat woke-lings have seen the cowing power of racism accusations, even false or ludicrous ones, and want some of that leverage

It won't stop until such behavior carries a cost. In the case before us, I suggest that we declare electric scooters "a product of racist colonialism" and take them away from the titanowokelings for their own good.

Ian

Boy, I submit that upon reflection this subject is far too weighty for me to weigh in on.

Lancastrian Oik

.... fatphobic logic of productivity, discipline, and personal responsibility.

Which shows just how little these goons know of Marxism.*

Marx and Engels focused on the productive labourer; there was no room in their ideology for the unemployed idler or wastrel, with the serially unproductive dismissed as “lumpenproletariat”.**

*Yeah, I know.

**Marx himself lacked a little something when it came to self-criticism, then.

Darleen

This.


Annnd ... of course ... the True Scotsman argument is trotted out.

Sam

As everyone whose had detractors knows: the best revenge is a life lived in perpetual victimhood.

Good for Mr Hornby for living a short, unhappy life spent bitching about what other people think of him. Truly inspiring.

Megaera

IMHO it would be less creepy if Hornby were actually obese-to-morbidly-so and desperately striving for self-justification, but his video doesn't have that double-chin giveaway, and the photos displayed on his website show scenes from what appear to be musicals, lots of singing dancers (all of whom look like they spend their lives agonizing about an ounce of weight gain) and he isn't conspicuous in their company as a sort of Ayllene Gibbons body double. Looks to me like he's a skinny dude who for some reason wants to be seen as a fat ally, urging weight gain on others but avoiding it passionately himself. Which has a really nasty sort of tang to it.

Governor Squid

I'm guessing he's got a thing for fat guys* and wants to be seen as an ally rather than a interloper.

* Shade in the summer; warmth in the winter!

Dr Evil

I do not have a fatphobic bone in my body and I can pretty much feel most of them too. But I do have gluttonyphobia. Hope that helps.

FlynPigRanch

Little Willdo Horndog didn't get those lips from sucking lemons.

cc

“fatphobic logic of productivity, discipline, and personal responsibility.”

so great when they clearly state how crazy they are. Abolish police AND personal responsibility: look, a Unicorn!!

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